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« Reply #2790 on: January 24, 2008, 05:45:57 AM » |
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Yay! I got one! Except I'm supposed to feel depressed after reading this...
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i wish i could say i had some good news and some bad news, but instead i have two pieces of bad news:
1. it totally slipped my mind to tell you this last week, but i won't be here friday. i have to go home this weekend for my school's homecoming. sorry!! i'm leaving thursday afternoon. does that mean i'll need to practice double for the next lesson?
2. how tragic would it be if i couldn't go to the thing on march 1st? :-/ i totally forgot about this b/c i don't have it written down in my planner, but i'm supposed to be going camping that weekend. if you need me to stay that's totally fine. and i still might stay anyway. i have to check into everything. but just wondering how you felt about that
i am so sorry. i hope this email didn't depress you too much... :) have a wonderful night
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I guess in this case, the smiley face is in place of "lol"
I think so. A very stoned or drunk LOL. "wondering how you felt about that"? FEEEEEEElings, nothing more than FEEEEElings, Trying to forget myyy. Feeeellings of luuuuuuuuuuvvvvv FEEEEllingss... And why on God's green earth should a staff member be depressed about a student's absence? Guess which one of us, I or the student, would be depressed about the consequences of an absence, assuming that there were any? |
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« Reply #2791 on: January 24, 2008, 08:44:32 AM » |
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The girl who emailed about the emergency keeping her 'far away' and using this as an excuse to not attend the tutorial and not pass in the assignment was lying. Shouldn't she be punished?
What do you want oxfish to do, ground her? Take away her cell phone? VP |
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« Reply #2792 on: January 24, 2008, 10:43:08 AM » |
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The girl who emailed about the emergency keeping her 'far away' and using this as an excuse to not attend the tutorial and not pass in the assignment was lying. Shouldn't she be punished?
What do you want oxfish to do, ground her? Take away her cell phone? VP I find that a vigorously innocuous, "Why, hello student! I'm glad your family crisis is resolved. I'm in my office for the next hour, so drop off that assignment when you get done with your phone call" is usually enough punishment for these situations. But I'm evil. |
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« Reply #2793 on: January 24, 2008, 01:48:55 PM » |
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I was wandering the halls outside my office and just missed a call in my office. The student left me a voice mail telling me she was stranded in "City Y" almost 200 miles away and could not make it back in time for the exam.. The problem was that our phone "ring" is different if the call is from on campus, so I knew she has to be somewhere on campus. I looked up her phone number and called her back in her dorm room. When she answered, I told her how impressed I was that she had managed to get back from City Y so quickly and how relieved she must be that she would be able to take the exam on time after all.. for some reason, she never showed up...
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« Reply #2794 on: January 24, 2008, 02:04:29 PM » |
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The girl who emailed about the emergency keeping her 'far away' and using this as an excuse to not attend the tutorial and not pass in the assignment was lying. Shouldn't she be punished?
What do you want oxfish to do, ground her? Take away her cell phone? VP Personally, I would not accept the assignment under these circumstances on the grounds that she violated the academic integrity policy. She would be punished, by me, with a big fat 0, because 1) she lied and 2) she is terrible at it. Kay is right; a significant consequence is in order. |
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« Reply #2795 on: January 24, 2008, 02:06:45 PM » |
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Interesting, Anthroid. Would you do the same for Profxfiles' student in the post before yours?
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« Reply #2796 on: January 24, 2008, 02:11:31 PM » |
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Interesting, Anthroid. Would you do the same for Profxfiles' student in the post before yours?
Not quite, since she was caught out in her lie before the exam. I wouldn't allow a make-up in that situation but I would have let her take the test if in fact she showed up for it. |
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« Reply #2797 on: January 24, 2008, 02:16:49 PM » |
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The interesting thing to me is that the student in profxfiles' story still had the opportunity to do the right thing (apologize, and show up on time for the regularly-scheduled exam), yet chose not to, whereas the other student missed the opportunity to turn in the assignment on its due date and was asking for an extension.
If profxfiles' student was in my course and missed the exam without appropriate documentation, he or she would receive a zero on the exam anyway, since that is my policy. If she tried to complain and stuck to her lie or produced false documentation, then I would pursue it with the academic dishonesty board.
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« Reply #2798 on: January 24, 2008, 02:19:56 PM » |
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Our university policy specifically lists lying to gain an academic advantage as a form of cheating, so I'd also go with a zero for the assignment, plus a signed statement for student affairs.
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« Reply #2799 on: January 24, 2008, 02:47:26 PM » |
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My quibble is with the use of the term "punish", as if to say that it is appropriate to make the student suffer *more* than whatever the consequences are for her act as determined by the academic handbook or other University policy.
She makes a choice, she takes the consequences, however they are spelled out in official documentation. I don't think that trying to punish her *beyond* those consequences (as K seemed to me to be implying) is our business. I really worry when I see professors who are keen to jump on the "punish" bandwagon.
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« Reply #2800 on: January 24, 2008, 03:40:42 PM » |
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Ahhh. That's not how I read K's comment.
I'm not pushing for being plain mean to students, but I think if there are *patterns* of dishonesty in how a student behaves, that they should be hammered for it. I wonder how many other teachers got fed that line about not being able to get to campus...I'd have half a mind to check and see if it was tried on them.
I'm pretty conservative in how I handle suspected cheating cases, but when dishonesty's as "proven" as it is here, I don't want to just let it slide.
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« Reply #2801 on: January 24, 2008, 03:55:08 PM » |
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Ah, the joys of teaching distance ed. I got the following email last night, from a student that added late.
My other question is in regard to books. I wanted to confirm that the
Walzer book is needed, since the original list I recv'd did not include
it. Also, I did recv the main textbook as an overnight delivery, but its a 2d
Ed. Will that work or should I exchange?
Well, seeing as how you emailed me a year ago inquiring about my class, I've made some changes to the reading list since then. Syllabi change, deal with it.
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« Reply #2802 on: January 24, 2008, 04:02:43 PM » |
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Ah, the joys of teaching distance ed. I got the following email last night, from a student that added late.
My other question is in regard to books. I wanted to confirm that the
Walzer book is needed, since the original list I recv'd did not include
it. Also, I did recv the main textbook as an overnight delivery, but its a 2d
Ed. Will that work or should I exchange?
Well, seeing as how you emailed me a year ago inquiring about my class, I've made some changes to the reading list since then. Syllabi change, deal with it.
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« Reply #2803 on: January 24, 2008, 06:02:00 PM » |
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If plagiarism is bad, why is lying to professors not equally as bad?
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« Reply #2804 on: January 24, 2008, 06:20:50 PM » |
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If plagiarism is bad, why is lying to professors not equally as bad?
Ding ding ding! kaysixteen wins today's prize! Lying and stealing are lying and stealing, in whatever form, indeed. |
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