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[voxprincipalis]

Four cups of wine are drunk at a seder.  I would not like a student driving after drinking four cups of wine.  Also, if I had a problem with accommodating a student's religious practices, I would take it up with him directly rather than making snarky comments on an internet forum.  But that's just me.

This just in:

Dear Professor Principalis:

I am sorry for the short notice, but today, Monday the 2nd, I went to a Seder in [nearby city] that I was invited to. I have made the decision to stay in [nearby city] tonight because of the hour drive and also I have consumed a sizable amount of wine for the occassion. Anyway I wil be making the trip back to school tomorrow morning and I hope I will be there in time for class, but I will most likely be late. Sorry for the inconvenience.

1. Good thinking, but TMI

2. Yes, those religious events are a great excuse for getting drunk. ?!

VP

The student is not Jewish. It's lovely that he was invited to a Seder. However, he should have thought carefully before accepting the invitation, if he would not be able to drive back afterwards.

By the way, his class is at 10 am. There's really not any excuse for missing it.

That passive-aggressiveness on your part is REALLY unattractive.

VP

[smart_e_pantz]

Four cups of wine are drunk at a seder.  I would not like a student driving after drinking four cups of wine.  Also, if I had a problem with accommodating a student's religious practices, I would take it up with him directly rather than making snarky comments on an internet forum.  But that's just me.

This just in:

Dear Professor Principalis:

I am sorry for the short notice, but today, Monday the 2nd, I went to a Seder in [nearby city] that I was invited to. I have made the decision to stay in [nearby city] tonight because of the hour drive and also I have consumed a sizable amount of wine for the occassion. Anyway I wil be making the trip back to school tomorrow morning and I hope I will be there in time for class, but I will most likely be late. Sorry for the inconvenience.

1. Good thinking, but TMI

2. Yes, those religious events are a great excuse for getting drunk. ?!

VP

The student is not Jewish. It's lovely that he was invited to a Seder. However, he should have thought carefully before accepting the invitation, if he would not be able to drive back afterwards.

By the way, his class is at 10 am. There's really not any excuse for missing it.

That passive-aggressiveness on your part is REALLY unattractive.

VP

Catholics also have Seders during Holy Week to commemorate the Last Supper.  However, that still doesn't excuse the student missing a class that started at 10 am.

[merce]

My current town wouldn't know what a Jew was. I would love for my students to go to a Seder.
They are "christian" but don't even know it's Holy Week.  I had my hair up in the grocery and a man said he'd never seen no muslim round these parts before. I had my hair up. I'm RC-- which of course prompted all kinds o fun comments on Ash Wednesday here.

Of course a non-Jew can think of Seder as an important event. I do. I am also planning a friend's son's Bar Mitzvah since they hadn't thought it would be worth doing in this area. I seemed to have changed their minds when I explained how hurt I still feel that no one gave me a quinceanyera.

Do we not have Christmas gobbledy gook all over the States even though the event might not be important to people of other faiths?

I think it is fantabulous that people respect sacred events even when they aren't of their own faith. Gosh, that is what I strive to teach my kids. I showed a movie w/ Jewish folks in it... the cute (and not-so-cute) comments that came from student body that knows no non-protestants could be a thread in and of itself.
Be thankful you have kids that know what Seder is, can go, and even go when not Jewish. I'm jealous.
And no, he should not drive after a Seder.
HOWEVER, yes, kid is a schmuck for using it as an excuse to get out of class the following day, but so are all students (just kidding).

[jonesey]

My current town wouldn't know what a Jew was. I would love for my students to go to a Seder.
They are "christian" but don't even know it's Holy Week.  I had my hair up in the grocery and a man said he'd never seen no muslim round these parts before. I had my hair up. I'm RC-- which of course prompted all kinds o fun comments on Ash Wednesday here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Holy Week a Catholic thing?  In other words, if your students are mainline, megachurch Protestant, they may not have heard of "Holy Week." 

[case_insensitive]

My current town wouldn't know what a Jew was. I would love for my students to go to a Seder.
They are "christian" but don't even know it's Holy Week.  I had my hair up in the grocery and a man said he'd never seen no muslim round these parts before. I had my hair up. I'm RC-- which of course prompted all kinds o fun comments on Ash Wednesday here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Holy Week a Catholic thing?  In other words, if your students are mainline, megachurch Protestant, they may not have heard of "Holy Week." 

Consider yourself corrected. Holy Week is a Christian thing, though not all denominations use the term "Holy Week" specifically.  Holy Week is the week from Palm Sunday to Easter Sunday.

[merce]

My current town wouldn't know what a Jew was. I would love for my students to go to a Seder.
They are "christian" but don't even know it's Holy Week.  I had my hair up in the grocery and a man said he'd never seen no muslim round these parts before. I had my hair up. I'm RC-- which of course prompted all kinds o fun comments on Ash Wednesday here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Holy Week a Catholic thing?  In other words, if your students are mainline, megachurch Protestant, they may not have heard of "Holy Week." 

Consider yourself corrected. Holy Week is a Christian thing, though not all denominations use the term "Holy Week" specifically.  Holy Week is the week from Palm Sunday to Easter Sunday.

And that is my point. If they don't even recognize the big holidays that make for the entire religion a group (including themselves-- hello, Christ has risen that was his whole point of being to a Christ-ian--and RC and Protestants are at least contiguous, they should know each other a little)believes in then the idea that there is a place where a fella does know and participate in a tradition beyond his own is fantabulous!

[case_insensitive]

My current town wouldn't know what a Jew was. I would love for my students to go to a Seder.
They are "christian" but don't even know it's Holy Week.  I had my hair up in the grocery and a man said he'd never seen no muslim round these parts before. I had my hair up. I'm RC-- which of course prompted all kinds o fun comments on Ash Wednesday here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Holy Week a Catholic thing?  In other words, if your students are mainline, megachurch Protestant, they may not have heard of "Holy Week." 

Consider yourself corrected. Holy Week is a Christian thing, though not all denominations use the term "Holy Week" specifically.  Holy Week is the week from Palm Sunday to Easter Sunday.

And that is my point. If they don't even recognize the big holidays that make for the entire religion a group (including themselves-- hello, Christ has risen that was his whole point of being to a Christ-ian--and RC and Protestants are at least contiguous, they should know each other a little)believes in then the idea that there is a place where a fella does know and participate in a tradition beyond his own is fantabulous!

Yup, very much so! But, he still should show up for his 10am class. ;-)

And, yes, I've attended a Seder and I'm protestant. 

[jeffreyhall]

Four cups of wine are drunk at a seder.  I would not like a student driving after drinking four cups of wine.  Also, if I had a problem with accommodating a student's religious practices, I would take it up with him directly rather than making snarky comments on an internet forum.  But that's just me.

Four cups of wine drunk in the evening does not excuse the student from the hour drive in the morning to make it to class. 

I don't know.  I would not be able to drive for an hour the morning after drinking four cups of wine.

[iomhaigh]

LOL my undergrad was clothing opitional during my first year.

My father, a religious Jew, was met at the door of my dormitory by a woman wearing no clothes.

Also, my first term there were two crazy kids making *love* under a tree...they seemed to be oblivious to the fact that they were being watched by about 400 co-eds during their frolic.....

I miss that place.

Would that be, by any chance, a college in the Pacific Northwest?

No...Mid-West.  But that college in the Pacific Northwest is a "sister" school o to speak.

Hmm......sounds more and more familiar....was the naked woman a violin player perchance? 

[voxprincipalis]

Four cups of wine are drunk at a seder.  I would not like a student driving after drinking four cups of wine.  Also, if I had a problem with accommodating a student's religious practices, I would take it up with him directly rather than making snarky comments on an internet forum.  But that's just me.

Four cups of wine drunk in the evening does not excuse the student from the hour drive in the morning to make it to class. 

I don't know.  I would not be able to drive for an hour the morning after drinking four cups of wine.

May I also add that the student is a first-year student and is definitely underage, and that it is permissible to dilute wine with kosher grape juice. Also, it doesn't say that you have to drink four enormous glasses of wine. From http://www.ou.org/chagim/pesach/pesachguide/maze/basic9.htm:

Minimum Volume for Wine: 86 c.c. (3.0 fluid ounces).

This should be the minimum size of wine cups used during the Passover Seder for drinking the Four Cups. Each Seder participant must drink more than half this volume for each of the Four Cups to fulfill the mitzvah.

So, the minimum amount of wine you could consume and still fulfill the mitzvah is just over 6 ounces. I'm not a snot about not giving underage students alcohol when it's part of religious ritual, but the point of drinking during the Seder is NOT to get drunk. You can drink less and still fulfill the mitzvah.

"A friend's religious observation required me to have so much wine I can't make it back to campus for my 10 am morning class" is not a valid excuse.

VP

[kaysixteen]

Actually, no, there are no evangelical/ fundamentalist ones, that make any special deal of 'Holy week', *traditionally*, and most do not have any separate services for any of the days within it.  Even Easter is just another Lord's Day for many of them, though many pastors make a special effort to preach an explicitly evangelistic sermon on Easter, knowing full well that there are bound to be people in the church for service who do not usually attend church, some who never do so except for Easter.  It is not terribly impressive for a Roman Catholic to equate her denominational traditions with 'Christianity' and fault Protestants for their ignorance of these traditions, especially since most Catholics are deeply and woefully ignorant of the traditions, worldview, and thinking of evangelicals.

[helpful]

To those who aren't Christian, all Christians are the same. I thought all Christians celebrated Easter!

[case_insensitive]

Actually, no, there are no evangelical/ fundamentalist ones, that make any special deal of 'Holy week', *traditionally*, and most do not have any separate services for any of the days within it. 

You are wrong on this one, K16.

You are welcome to the Good Friday service at my Southern Baptist church this week...  We rarely use the term Holy Week but it certainly is treated as such from Palm Sunday (we made a very big deal of that) to Easter.

To those who aren't Christian, all Christians are the same. I thought all Christians celebrated Easter!

Yes, helpful, it would be very odd for any follower of Christ to not celebrate Easter.  Many celebrate it in different ways, of course, but celebrate it, most of us do.

[merce]

...It is not terribly impressive for a Roman Catholic to equate her denominational traditions with 'Christianity' and fault Protestants for their ignorance of these traditions, ...

"contiguous" does not mean "equate" it means siddles up beside, rubs up against, abuts.

[case_insensitive]

...It is not terribly impressive for a Roman Catholic to equate her denominational traditions with 'Christianity' and fault Protestants for their ignorance of these traditions, ...

"contiguous" does not mean "equate" it means siddles up beside, rubs up against, abuts.

Yup, merce, I think my old SBC self can comprehend your RC traditions just fine. :o)  And, vice versa, no doubt.