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That is unbelievable...I think I might have forwarded that one to the Dean of Students.
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Oseph....you are right and you make sense.
For your future comments, I insult very directly.
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« Reply #7231 on: March 08, 2009, 08:14:57 PM » |
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All the stuff we blithely forward to the Dean of Students....note to self: never, EVER become the Dean of Students. It is NOT a promotion. It is the lowest rung of Hell.
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Okay, so that was petty. Today, I feel like embracing pettiness. -- Mended Drum
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« Reply #7232 on: March 08, 2009, 09:04:16 PM » |
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On Friday, the last day before spring break, I received an e-mail from a student with a paper attached to it. No problem. I accept papers e-mailed as attachments.
The problem is that the paper is clearly for another class.
I would assume this was an honest mistake if I didn't know the student very well.
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« Reply #7233 on: March 08, 2009, 11:43:33 PM » |
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I've de-lurked to offer this gem from last fall. This student's final paper was plagiarized from at least two papers that I found online. I returned her paper (with the 0) and attached a couple of pages from the Web sites where I found the original info. She asked if her citations were incorrect, and if so, she would give me the correct citations. I told her it wasn't a citation problem, it was a you-didn't-write-the-paper problem. Her response (with all spelling and punctuation errors intact):
Thank You, However I am a beginner and I can accept my grade, because you did a poor job at explaining it.Although I am an adult, Im still an entering freshman. You came at us with work like we were seniors with very little explaination and a lot of attutide. You do a horrible job at teaching and explaing anything. Did you choose the right career? Its a wonder that Im the only student in class who didn't call in on you about the way that you act and the way that you communicate with people. Saying things like "who cares", and talking down to and at people will get you nowhere. It's a wonder that you still have a job at [this] college. Hopefully you will do better in the feature Dr. Know, we do pay your salary. If there is any explanation need for what I clearly stated, please feel free to contact me by email or by phone (xxx-xxx-xxxx). Have a Merry Christmas
Of eight students, four (including this wannabe attorney) plagiarized their final papers. Each student was on the pass/fail border, and the zeros pushed them well into fail territory. Each of them sent me wonderful e-mails, although none were as eloquent as this one.
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« Reply #7234 on: March 08, 2009, 11:50:00 PM » |
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Its a wonder that Im the only student in class who didn't call in on you about the way that you act and the way that you communicate with people.
So, this person says that every other student in the class didn't call in on you about the way that you act, but presumably she did? How does she know what the other students didn't do? What does "call in on you" mean? To be told that she doesn't approve of "the way that you communicate with people" would appear to be high praise, when you consider that she presumably approves of her own communication style (and I use the word loosely). |
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« Reply #7235 on: March 09, 2009, 03:36:09 AM » |
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Thank You, However I am a beginner and I can accept my grade, because you did a poor job at explaining it.Although I am an adult, Im still an entering freshman. You came at us with work like we were seniors with very little explaination and a lot of attutide. You do a horrible job at teaching and explaing anything. Did you choose the right career? Its a wonder that Im the only student in class who didn't call in on you about the way that you act and the way that you communicate with people. Saying things like "who cares", and talking down to and at people will get you nowhere. It's a wonder that you still have a job at [this] college. Hopefully you will do better in the feature Dr. Know, we do pay your salary. If there is any explanation need for what I clearly stated, please feel free to contact me by email or by phone (xxx-xxx-xxxx). Have a Merry Christmas
Should that be cannot? I think this student would have a few problems in the legal world. To begin with, that old chestnut, can vs. cannot. Tricky, I know... |
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« Reply #7236 on: March 09, 2009, 08:27:22 AM » |
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Yep, this 'un's a legal eagle in the making. Watch for her in Congressional hearings in about 20 years.
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« Reply #7237 on: March 09, 2009, 11:15:50 AM » |
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Yep, this 'un's a legal eagle in the making. Watch for her in Congressional hearings in about 20 years.
In what capacity? |
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« Reply #7238 on: March 09, 2009, 11:24:08 AM » |
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Yep, this 'un's a legal eagle in the making. Watch for her in Congressional hearings in about 20 years.
In what capacity? I believe the common term is "defendant." |
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« Reply #7239 on: March 09, 2009, 11:40:08 AM » |
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I teach online. Our system is down today, for entire day. And that means--no emails from students today!!!
Amazing, the kinds of things that can make us happy.
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« Reply #7240 on: March 09, 2009, 11:43:22 AM » |
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Thank You, However I am a beginner and I can accept my grade, because you did a poor job at explaining it.Although I am an adult, Im still an entering freshman. You came at us with work like we were seniors with very little explaination and a lot of attutide. You do a horrible job at teaching and explaing anything. ... ...I think this student would have a few problems in the legal world. To begin with, that old chestnut, can vs. cannot. Tricky, I know... Gosh, and here I was thinking of all the professors I've had that truly were bad at explaining their expectations and who treated students condescendingly for not already being experts -- I was wondering just what the OP's instructions for the paper actually were: were they written over the heads of the students? Just because she plagiarized the paper doesn't mean the instructions were good. And just because her e-mail is badly written doesn't make the OP a good instructor. |
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« Reply #7241 on: March 09, 2009, 12:00:27 PM » |
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Just because she plagiarized the paper doesn't mean the instructions were good. And just because her e-mail is badly written doesn't make the OP a good instructor.
I agree, but I can't think of anything that would justify or excuse an email like that from a student. That email was unacceptable on pretty much every level. |
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I think this thread is going well. Don't you think this thread is going well?
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« Reply #7242 on: March 09, 2009, 12:04:02 PM » |
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Just because she plagiarized the paper doesn't mean the instructions were good. And just because her e-mail is badly written doesn't make the OP a good instructor.
I agree, but I can't think of anything that would justify or excuse an email like that from a student. That email was unacceptable on pretty much every level. Sure. No disagreement here. But when I see that 1/2 the class plagiarized the paper, I have to wonder just what the instructions were. If all 7 other students had completed the assignment satisfactorily, we'd know that the OP's instructions must have been fine. As it is, we have to wonder if it's just a really bad group of students or if the OP needs to review hu's instruction sheets. |
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Is not American literature the minor literature par excellence, insofar as America claims to federate the most diverse minorities, “a Nation swarming with nations”? —Gilles Deleuze
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« Reply #7243 on: March 09, 2009, 12:50:25 PM » |
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Just because she plagiarized the paper doesn't mean the instructions were good. And just because her e-mail is badly written doesn't make the OP a good instructor.
I agree, but I can't think of anything that would justify or excuse an email like that from a student. That email was unacceptable on pretty much every level. Sure. No disagreement here. But when I see that 1/2 the class plagiarized the paper, I have to wonder just what the instructions were. If all 7 other students had completed the assignment satisfactorily, we'd know that the OP's instructions must have been fine. As it is, we have to wonder if it's just a really bad group of students or if the OP needs to review hu's instruction sheets. Aristof_ns, I know someone who once caught 22 cases of plagiarism (not sure if all were on the same paper) out of a class of 28. This person was also nearly assaulted and called racial epithets by these students. So rampant plagiarism was just one of the many bad bad things going on. Given the wild inappropriateness of the student's e-mail, I wouldn't be surprised if this school were another generally dysfunctional environment. Besides, it's not even an acceptable option to say, "The instructions weren't good." It's not the instructor's job to make things easy for you as a student. It's your job as a student to produce what the instructor requires, even if you have to put in--gasp-- effort to figure that out. |
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« Reply #7244 on: March 09, 2009, 01:10:45 PM » |
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Besides, it's not even an acceptable option to say, "The instructions weren't good." It's not the instructor's job to make things easy for you as a student. It's your job as a student to produce what the instructor requires, even if you have to put in--gasp--effort to figure that out.
I was with you until you got to this part, comp_queen. I do agree that students should be required to make an effort--but I also believe that it is our job to present things (instructions, material, whatever) in a way our students can understand. I don't mean we have to make things "easy," but our goal is for them to learn ( learn, not merely get good grades), and we should do what we can to help them succeed in that task. To me, that means (among other things) ensuring that our instructions are clear. |
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