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« on: October 12, 2006, 04:51:14 PM » |
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I'm working through a recent scholarly article right now, and I keep coming across the term "Anglo-Saxon" to name white Americans.
Is this the new thing? Can anyone explain the history of using this term instead of white?
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 05:00:33 PM » |
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As someone who can claim both Angle and Saxon heritage, I find your question to be far too pc for words. What's next? People from Europe will demand to be called "European-American"? Pasty people need to get a life and stop being so sensitive to every single name they are called by people who know nothing about their heritage.
What? What's wrong with this statement?
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 05:24:38 PM » |
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Ok, like all good scholars I checked wikipedia, and apparently Anglo-Saxon is what French people call white Americans.
The author of this article is not French.
So, seriously folks, what's the deal? Where's LarryC? I bet he knows.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 05:40:08 PM » |
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I answer to a lot of names. Stupid, dipstick, honey, hey you, even my name occasionally. It just depends on who is calling. I have never answered to Anglo-Saxon boy before.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2006, 05:42:44 PM » |
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isn't the AS in WASP Anglo-Saxon? and I thought the W was for white.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2006, 05:47:25 PM » |
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WASP stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. And is a name I find fairly offensive. Probably as offensive as the n word is to others.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2006, 06:30:05 PM » |
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2006, 06:32:27 PM » |
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2006, 06:57:58 PM » |
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isn't the AS in WASP Anglo-Saxon? and I thought the W was for white.
I thought it was for "wealthy." But that doesn't help me understand the usage of Anglo-Saxon in this article. "Anglo" I could understand, because that's become common for white/non-hispanic. But why the Saxon part? |
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2006, 07:09:03 PM » |
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The French press refers to the British and Americans as 'les Anglo-Saxons' all the time. The term is usually linked to anti-capitalist sentiment and support for the 'unique' French social model, rather than being 'white'. I have seen this term in articles on comparative capitalism, where the Anglo-American model is described as 'Anglo-Saxon' (usually, 'dirty Anglo-Saxon capitalism'.) But I don't know the context of your scholarly article, so maybe this usage isn't relevant...
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2006, 07:15:04 PM » |
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Context:
The article is about the myth of the American frontier and 19th C masculinity.
It is not by a French author.
It is not about capitalism at all.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2006, 07:23:15 PM » |
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Context:
The article is about the myth of the American frontier and 19th C masculinity.
It is not by a French author.
It is not about capitalism at all.
In that case, maybe Anglo Saxon is used to differentiate types of white folks. You, know, Anglo Saxon as opposed to Spanish or French, or Willa Cather's Bohemians. I just love Willa Cather. |
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2006, 07:27:55 PM » |
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Gennidad opposes the word WASP because he is partly Native American. So actually, it doesn't truly apply to him. It does however, apply to me. Ah well. Not like you can choose your ancestors.
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2006, 07:31:08 PM » |
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That would make sense, Prytania, except it's not being used that way--thus the confusion. It seems instead to be switching between "White" (capitalized) and "Anglo-Saxon," as though to prevent repetitiveness.
For example: "For these adventurous White males, Alaska functioned as a site of White flight, a new frontier where Anglo Saxon males could reenact conquest and reclaim their manliness."
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2006, 07:34:11 PM » |
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Well, could you tell us something about the author? That might help us figure out where he/she/hu is coming from with the terminology.
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