anon_for_now
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« on: September 19, 2006, 07:31:36 PM » |
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If someone on your campus wanted to establish an organization to address the concerns of white students, white faculty and white staff, would you object?
If so, why? I'm also curious about what steps you are willing to take to stop any attempts to form such an organization.
Thanks in advance.
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anon2
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 05:33:29 PM » |
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If someone on your campus wanted to establish an organization to address the concerns of white students, white faculty and white staff, would you object?
Absolutely not. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. All kinds of student organizations exist on my campus for every possible group imaginable---except, of course, white students. White students need a group to stand up for their concerns such as reverse discrimination in scholarships (which is a real problem here). I would even support such an organization getting student funding. |
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zharkov
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 06:13:55 PM » |
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If someone on your campus wanted to establish an organization to address the concerns of white students, white faculty and white staff, would you object?
Wise guy answer 1: You mean the Young Republicans? Wise guy answer 2: Isn't that what most campus organizations already do now? Serious answer: In principle, OK, but I need to know more details. If, for example, this white organization wanted to use student activities funds for a Prussian Blue concert, I'd have to say forget it. |
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__________ Zharkov's Razor: Adapting Zharkov a bit to this situation, ignorance and confusion can explain a lot.
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anonforthis
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2006, 12:28:24 AM » |
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Your reference to white students being "young republicans" is not only wrong, but it's outright offensive.
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crazybatlady
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2006, 07:36:58 AM » |
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Hey, Zarkov, don't feed the trolls!
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As always, CBL rules! All hail the CBL!
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fiona
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2006, 05:59:17 PM » |
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Trolls.
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The Fiona or perhaps La Fiona
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dale1
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2006, 06:24:59 PM » |
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Ok, I'll bite.
I believe that such an organization, if its goals were to further the cause of white students on campus, would be essentially redundant, as alluded to earlier. The systems in place at most institutions are essentially built for people who look like me (that is white, male, of non-lower class upbringing). Special privileges abound for these students, and I'll give you an example.
Large state flagship university, somewhere in the midwest. Young people go into the student recreation center for some basketball, other sports without being stopped and asked for ID. Rules say everyone must present ID. Young African-American male, 17, goes in with his father, also African-American. Both are stopped and asked for their university ID cards, after the attendant has allowed through several white students of both genders. Here's a privilege that these African-American men did not have by virtue of their ethnicity.
Point being, there is no point to an all-white club as indicated. I support anyone's right to create a club where white people can have a dialogue about their place in society and the benefits and possible negatives to it, but I don't support special privileges for those who have privileges already due to their whiteness, or who have not been dramatically disenfranchised and discriminated against because of their ethnicity.
I also am OK with strident speech with which I don't agree. As the Federalist Papers suggest, we need to match speech with speech.
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acrimone
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2006, 08:45:54 PM » |
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I would only object insofar as it gave me an opportunity to object to all those other racist groups on my campus (one of which INSISTS on keeping me on their mailing lists just because of my last name).
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fiona
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2006, 10:38:07 PM » |
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What kind of ethnicity is mone?I would only object insofar as it gave me an opportunity to object to all those other racist groups on my campus (one of which INSISTS on keeping me on their mailing lists just because of my last name).
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The Fiona or perhaps La Fiona
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The Right Reverend Fiona, PhD, Bishop of the Fora
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acrimone
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2006, 11:53:35 AM » |
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Hee hee!
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"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
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larryc
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2006, 11:55:47 AM » |
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Only if they are gay as well.
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mikey
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2006, 03:19:42 PM » |
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Most universities already provide organizations whose mission is to further white domination. They are called fraternities and sororities.
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ablewasi
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2006, 07:32:20 PM » |
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CBL:
"Hey, Zarkov, don't feed the trolls!
:-)"
Oh, come on. They're so cute with their little noses poking through the fence. And there's a troll-nugget vending machine just up the road.
OP:
Sound great to me. I'd wouldn't do anything to stop such a club as long as they don't ask for any "special rights" on anything. In fact, I'll bring the troll nuggets for the first meeting.
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thisisanewname
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2006, 10:09:52 PM » |
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White clubs? What an innovative idea. You mean like the Ireland House, the Albanian student association, the Russian student association, the Arab student organization, the Pakistan Student's League, the German Society, the European Society, the Hellenic Society, the Turkish Society, the Armenian Students Society, the Bulgarian Club, the Italian Club, and the French Circle? How odd that no one has thought of this before. (sorry, troll, but in the US, descent from the original peoples of any of the groups I mention makes you white.) Lame, even for a trollpost. |
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marymorris
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2007, 12:19:47 PM » |
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Most diversity advocacy groups don't technically exclude anyone - me (white) have gone to some great lectures at the "African-American House" of my undergrad university, and me (gay) brought many straight friends to "gay-straight alliance" meetings.
So it would be fine with me if the white students decide to start a racist (and that's what it is, b/c white people *as a demographic* already have plenty of advocacy & too much dominance) society, as long as the lectures, resources, etc. are open to ALL members of the university community and dialogue involving ALL members is tolerated and encouraged.
In other words, if they have a meeting to brainstorm ways of helping white people get ahead of minorities, and a group of non-white students all offer as a solution...
1) "leave things exactly as they are"
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2) "let's start a campaign to elect the first white president - I mean, the 44th..."
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3) "Ask those frat guys in the camper in BORAT. They seem really bright, ambitious, diplomatic, and conscientious."
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4) "Invite David Irving to speak here -- oh, the Oxford Union already did that?"
... then they have to consider these responses -- and minute them accurately -- and distribute the minutes to whoever gets the minutes -- like the entire membership, via email.
And if they try to boot out any students for not being "white", then the university should throw the book at the individual students who made that decision.
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