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zharkov
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2006, 12:13:40 PM »


My concern (and the concern of anyone thinking about such programs) is that if I go to the trouble of getting a PhD from one of these schools (no matter how convenient they may be) will an employer take notice? Employers can afford to be picky about whom they interview.

It depends on what kind of employer you're dealing with.  I know a few graduates of Nova Southeastern and Union Institute who have tt jobs at teaching focused schools.  Some of those already had a foot in the door by having a master's, some didn't.

If you're looking for a job in industry, it matters if the school is a "household name" or if the hiring manager went to the same school.  (This makes you ring clickers, as the saying goes.)  Otherwise, industry doesn't care where you got your degree.

To respond to another poster, I don't think these kind of programs are meant for those who work in the natural sciences in a lab environment.
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2006, 06:53:58 PM »

As I am getting older I have decided it is finally time to go back and start pursuing my PhD (it is a personal goal, not necessarily a career goal). Since the number of part time doctoral programs are limited, I am somewhat tailoring my interests to align both with the local availability of programs as well as my career (so I can get tuition reimbursement from my work)... I am in corporate training / education and will be pursing a PhD in Ed Psych.. the MESA program to be specific.


Your post is very interesting and timely.  I worked 8 years as a corporate technical trainer and changed jobs a year ago.  Now I do adjuncting. I have decided to get my PhD in educational psychology - specifically in educational technology.  I have spent a lot of time considering this and have done a significant amount of research.  I looked into several different types of programs.

At first I assumed that I would have to go the route of an online program.  I assumed that the brick and mortar programs were for full time students.  I was shocked when I realized how many options there are locally specifically for Education. I am in the Los Angeles area so I imagine that there are many more opportunities here but I am guessing that other cities/states are similar. Many education programs, specifically those which are leadership oriented,  actually cater to the part time student.  A large portion of their student body are current educators who wish to move into leadership positions.  This means many programs offer nights and weekends and some will even offer programs in satellite locations.  Here in Los Angeles the big name research universities offer these types of programs.  Two of the smaller state schools are in the process of adding Ed.D programs which will be run through both the state schools and one of the UCs.  Two of the smaller state school have had their programs in place for about 3 years and they are growing.  Still there are a number of smaller, for profit schools which also offer either PhDs or Ed.Ds.

Like I said most are leadership oriented. These programs include specialities in administration,  pre/K-12 leadership, urban education leadership higher education leadership and technology leadership.  The educational psych programs (not leadership oriented) tend to be for full time students.  I imagine that the typical applicant is not a current educator but a person who is interested in research and a future positions doing research and not management or administration at a school district or higher ed location.  Two of the programs I am looking into are PhDs and not Ed.Ds.  For this reason I will probably end up not working while I study.  If I could do a few adjunct courses I will.  I personally like research and am not a big fan of educational administration.

In the end it depends on what you plan to do with the degree.  If you are going into an administrative, management or a consulting role in K-12 or higher education then a part time education program would be normal on a CV or resume. I also assume that if you continue in the corporate world part time would be OK.  It would also be OK if you are planning to work in an education department at a non traditional school like the Capella's or Walden's. For university tt teaching and research oriented jobs at brick and mortar schools it would probably be different.  Since I am not sure what the MESA program is (I am more into educational media and computer based learning) I don't quite know what you would be doing after obtaining your doctorate.

Like I said I am looking into this for fall 2007 and am gathering the information needed to apply.  If you learn anything interesting I would love to hear about it.

HTH
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2006, 01:23:05 AM »

I currently have a fulltime postion at a private university.   I am debating the option of going for a local PhD or Ed.D. or going for an online at Nova or Capella.

I am about 40 with children and look to continue to teach at the Higher Ed. level rather than at a tier I research institute.  I want to get the doctorate yet maintain my sanity with my children.  Any advice on getting it through online or going part time for a phd or Ed.D?
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nomad
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2006, 02:11:19 AM »

I currently have a fulltime postion at a private university.   I am debating the option of going for a local PhD or Ed.D. or going for an online at Nova or Capella.

I am about 40 with children and look to continue to teach at the Higher Ed. level rather than at a tier I research institute.  I want to get the doctorate yet maintain my sanity with my children.  Any advice on getting it through online or going part time for a phd or Ed.D?

I guess the question would be why do you want the advanced degree?  What purpose would it serve you?  Do you want to do more educational admin or management?  Do you want to teach more interesting subjects or courses that you can not teach without the doctorate?  Do you want to consult? If you answer these questions then how you should get the degree will become a bit more clear.

I too am "about 40" - I have a few more months before I "am 40" so I am with you there on the age and kids situation.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2006, 02:51:16 PM »

I am about 40 with children and look to continue to teach at the Higher Ed. level rather than at a tier I research institute.  I want to get the doctorate yet maintain my sanity with my children.  Any advice on getting it through online or going part time for a phd or Ed.D?

I'm in the same boat: 40's, kids, mortgage. (See my earlier post in this thread.)

I'd say if you don't care about research, then the Ed.D is OK. However, not knowing what the future holds, I'd say go for the degree that would make you more employable in more schools: the PhD, if they are both possible for you. As far as which school (local or online), many factors go into that, not the least of which are the particular subfield your interested in, affordability and time committment. I know of 2 people that got online degrees (not in Ed, though) and it worked out for them (they were, however, already employed full time at a university).

My field and/or location doesn't afford me the luxury of having many options when it comes to the programs that offer part-time doctorates, so I'm pretty much stuck with what I have, unless there's some way for me to replace my income so I can attend a full time program.

sghank999's post is what I found: a lot of Ed doctorate programs cater to part-time study.
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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2006, 03:47:44 PM »

Hi - your situation exactly mirrors mine (for the most part)!  I have taught at Universities as an adjunct professor, published articles and am interested (5+ years from now) in consulting and taking an academic position.  My specialties are HR, Training and Organizational Development.

I am from the Chicagoland area and may be able to share what I have found so far.  From your note, seems like you may be interested in something in adult development or organizational development.  I found a PhD program through Benedictine University that allows part-time study.  It is one of the few PhD programs in OD and seems to be a solid program.  Would be interested in any programs you found as a result of your research as well.
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