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high_energy_photons
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« on: August 09, 2006, 01:24:55 AM »

I've been looking at a program that awards the Doctor of Arts as the terminal degree (not typical for my field- sciences).  What are the positives/negatives of DA degree programs?  Are these degrees generally viewed as lower than the PhD?  Are there problems of recognition?  I am looking at eventually pursuing mainly teaching positions.  Would a DA help me in this?
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2006, 06:58:20 AM »

I've been looking at a program that awards the Doctor of Arts as the terminal degree (not typical for my field- sciences).  What are the positives/negatives of DA degree programs?

One of the misconceptions I see commonly is that one degree is necessarily better or worse than the other, in general. It makes more sense to look at what the degree is designed to offer within specific criteria (your needs, the training associated with the degree, the training provided by the specific program, and so on). In general, a PhD is a much better choice for the sciences, even if you don't want to do much research.

Are these degrees generally viewed as lower than the PhD?  Are there problems of recognition?  I am looking at eventually pursuing mainly teaching positions.  Would a DA help me in this?

Typically, the PhD is viewed as more prestigious than the DA. All of my colleagues have PhDs, and all of the job postings in my area (that are research/teaching or teaching) require a PhD in the field. If you are involved with data-based research, it is highly likely that a PhD would be your best (if not the only) option, preferably form a strong program in your specific field.

I also recommend looking at the types of institutions you want to work at (within your discipline) and see what type of degrees those faculty have. If you see mostly PhDs, I'd recommend that, but if you see a good number of DAs, it might work. Don't just look at the issue from a one-dimensional perspective as some people tend to do. Consider as many factors as you can.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2006, 10:17:09 AM »


Were not DAs created as a degree that emphasized teaching as much as research?  I'm sure I read this somewhere.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2006, 10:30:22 AM »

In my field, there are two main kinds of terminal degrees: the PhD and the DMA. (Yes, there are others, but those are the two principal streams.) The PhD is for strictly academic areas of music, while the DMA is for areas that combine academic study with performance. (Yes, there is some crossover and blurriness in certain areas. Can you tell people like to jump down each others' throats when discussing this particular topic?)

For my field, both PhD and DMA (Doctor of Musical Arts) are respected terminal degrees.

However, if you are in a field where the PhD is the established norm, I can see that a DA degree might not be as well understood or might necessitate some extra explaining on your part. I assume that the different degree represents a difference in what is emphasized during the coursework and/or dissertation stages?

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2006, 10:12:44 PM »

From what I've seen, everything is viewed as lower than the PhD.  There are just so many of them on the market in almost every field that employers can pick and choose between them.

I think the DA is a fine degree, as is the MFA, and the EdD.  However, most of these degrees are going by the wayside.  There are now over 20 PhD programs for creative writing...so long MFA. 

It seems to me a question of validating a prospective hire, especially in public institutions.  Why should a comittee bother with convincing closed minded "powers that be" about the value of a candidate's DA when they can just say, "She has a PhD."?  Regardless of teaching load, every place wants someone who at least looks like a researcher.  Even CCs are starting to prefer PhDs.
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