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ronin
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« on: February 02, 2012, 11:23:18 AM »

Hello everyone,
Just wondering if you have experienced something that, for lack of better terminology, I call "shadow teaching".
I came to my present post with a specialized teaching experience in which my employer seemed to be interested, but as soon as I started teaching my subject two very young local faculties started to offer two "new" courses that were very similar to mine. It felt quite weird but I thought it might be just a coincidence.... apparently it wasn't because the "experience" was replicated the following semester ... rather unpleasant of course. Just wondering however if this is widespread (mal)practice?
Many thanks for any feedback, advice or experience you would like to share.
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mingus
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 04:41:58 PM »

Hello everyone,
Just wondering if you have experienced something that, for lack of better terminology, I call "shadow teaching".
I came to my present post with a specialized teaching experience in which my employer seemed to be interested, but as soon as I started teaching my subject two very young local faculties started to offer two "new" courses that were very similar to mine. It felt quite weird but I thought it might be just a coincidence.... apparently it wasn't because the "experience" was replicated the following semester ... rather unpleasant of course. Just wondering however if this is widespread (mal)practice?
Many thanks for any feedback, advice or experience you would like to share.

What exactly is the problem?   You should be flattered that others find your basic ideas worth copying.
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ronin
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 11:15:48 PM »

Well there is personal consideration but also some ethical and professional considerations to do:
- what is the need to hire and retain someone with teaching experience, publication, and specialization when any junior can just copy and replicate any course, without any acknowledgment and sometimes even without having PhD?
- I have been  junior myself and progressing with my career I have mentored my junior colleagues but I find that diplomas and actual teaching experiences are important.
- I do not think as professionally and ethically sound to teach a specialized subject that I have not studied myself at length.
But many thanks for your feedback :-)
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hegemony
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 11:31:39 PM »

Where are you located, i.e. what country?

Where I am, one person often institutes a course, but then anyone in the field (in the same department) can teach it.  We all trade around.  It's considered good for everyone. 

The way you're describing your situation, though, makes me think you're talking about a different teaching system.  I'm still not convinced there's anything to worry about, though.
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ronin
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 11:57:52 PM »

Okay maybe I am wrong. Thank you for your remarks :-)
I guess it might also depend on the extent of trading and shifting around. I am in Asia.
I would see shifting around normal for general subjects, i.e. core courses that are always part of our discipline but less justifiable for specialized courses. However if this is normal practice elsewhere I may need to rethink.
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mingus
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 09:06:18 AM »

Well there is personal consideration but also some ethical and professional considerations to do:
- what is the need to hire and retain someone with teaching experience, publication, and specialization when any junior can just copy and replicate any course, without any acknowledgment and sometimes even without having PhD?
- I have been  junior myself and progressing with my career I have mentored my junior colleagues but I find that diplomas and actual teaching experiences are important.
- I do not think as professionally and ethically sound to teach a specialized subject that I have not studied myself at length.
But many thanks for your feedback :-)

A great deal depends on the subject and how it is done.   

(a) It could well be the case that the material is such that it can easily be mastered by anyone.   You will probably disagree, but we do not know unless you provide additional details.   

(b) It is possible that they have done or are doing a good job.   You will probably disagree, but we do not know unless you provide additional details.

(c) If the students are satisfied and the employer is satisfied, then your views on their qualifications, experience, etc. are somewhat misplaced. 

(d) You are assuming that you were hired because of your "experience, publication, and specialization".   That might be the case, and it might not be the case.

What sort of comments were you after anyway?   We could hold your hands and weep with you, but that will not do anyone much good.   My advice: (a) suck it up; and (b) find a way to work with those "shadow teachers", instead of taking an ultimately self-defeating attitude.
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ronin
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 09:59:25 AM »

Hi again,
I was just interested to know whether others had similar experiences.
I was surprised by this practice because I was used to alternate in teaching the same course but not in replicating the same course with different names and during the same semester. I thought that this practice was not very good for the students because they graduate with courses that carry different names but are essentially the same. But, as you say, if everybody is happy, maybe it is not that bad.
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