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« on: July 28, 2006, 10:00:09 PM » |
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If one applies to a position whose ad does not mention money, what is a good rule of thumb as to when and if the candidate should bring it up? I had a prelim phone interview where it was not discussed, and then I was flown to the institution this week. I spent several hours on campus, but the hiring man never mentioned a salary figure, and I was waiting for him to do so. Therefore, well... it never got discussed. Did I do something wrong?
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dr_crankypants
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2006, 10:12:54 PM » |
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K16, I don't think that this means you did anything wrong. It's not uncommon for the salary not to get discussed at the interview stage, even during an on-campus interview. I wouldn't think it at all strange not to find out until the offer has been made, and if they're not bringing it up, I wouldn't.
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diana_prince
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2006, 10:19:37 PM » |
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I think it's better that you have an idea of the salary range going into the interview or the negotiation if they offer you the position.
What happens if they ask you for your salary expectations? What if you go too low? Also, is it possible that a SC wouldn't offer a candidate a position if the salary expectation is too high?
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seniorscholar
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2006, 07:36:18 AM » |
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At my research university, salary is never mentioned until the offer is made. It works like this: we tell the Dean which candidate we want to make an offer to, the Dean looks at the qualifications, the candidate's current situation, the other offers made in the college during the current year, and the state of the budget and gives us a figure. The chair mentions that figure over the telephone when making the offer, and also says "I know you'll want to discuss details. What would be a good time for me to call you next week?"
By the second call, the candidate should have gathered information about start-up requests and have a good argument for additional salary (or, sometimes, an early leave with pay); the chair takes that information to the Dean; and after a week or two of back-and-forth an agreement is made and a formal offer letter is sent.
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monkfish
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2006, 09:41:39 AM » |
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In my experience, salary is only discussed obliquely--if at all--during the actualy interview, and then the focus usually is on the extras (benefits, research funds, professional development, what have you). As seniorscholar made, the actual salary talk comes when the offer is made.
That being said, I have heard of cases where candidates have been asked for 'salary expectation' during their interviews. This is all the more reason to do the research beforehand.
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2006, 06:34:33 PM » |
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The big exception is when they pay really really well. I had one interview where the salary was dazzling and you bet they told me that during the interview.
Didn't get it though. Sigh.
You can look up ballpark salaries here on the Chronicle site.
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econ_anon
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2006, 12:47:23 PM » |
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The big exception is when they pay really really well. I had one interview where the salary was dazzling and you bet they told me that during the interview.
Didn't get it though. Sigh.
You can look up ballpark salaries here on the Chronicle site.
Not always... I was *very* pleasantly suprised by some of my offers... At state schools salary information is available at the library. |
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mtnlover
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2006, 07:08:35 AM » |
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We don't talk salaries until an offer is made. Sometimes HR might call the candidate and make sure we are in the ballpark if they are looking at a higher level position. Sometimes the SC can't even discuss money, only the Dean or someone else.
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canadian2
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2006, 09:00:21 AM » |
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At two of my three on-campus interviews I was told exactly what the salary would be (once by the provost, once by the dean). I think this was because these were schools with salary grids where the amount was non-negotiable. At the other interview money wasn't mentioned at all. I really liked being told, but since you never know whether it will happen, I completely agree that you should do as much research on the subject as possible before arriving on campus for your interview--or even earlier. It's easy to find out (right hear on CHE) what the average salary is for an asst prof at the institution you've applied to. I also spent some time finding out what rents and housing prices were in the area. If I felt I couldn't have a decent quality of life (and we all have our own definition of what that means, and it involves more than being able to buy a house, of course) on what I could expect to make, I didn't even apply.
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thisisanewname
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2006, 10:22:18 AM » |
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The big exception is when they pay really really well. I had one interview where the salary was dazzling and you bet they told me that during the interview.
Didn't get it though. Sigh.
Not always... I was *very* pleasantly suprised by some of my offers... Well that's good to know. The place that told me about the salary was in an area with a massively low cost of living (especially for the NE), and salaries that were in the 95 percentile for beginning profs in my field. So I would've lived quite well. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2006, 11:11:29 AM » |
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I think it is fine to ask "what is the salary range for this position?" at any point during an interview, but it is not a faux-paus not to have done so. Good luck!
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mtnlover
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2006, 06:51:48 PM » |
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In response to canadian2 I am in administration and we always have a range. If they gave you a specific number it was probably in the lower end of the range - everything is negotiable. I'm sure there are Universities that may have a number but we almost all have a range (even when position levels are present).
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2006, 10:52:30 AM » |
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On all four of my campus interviews last year I was given a salary range. Two of them did have a grid and I was given a specific fiugre. The one I was offered (and turned down for reasons to crazy to list) was a CC and easily $10,000 more then the SLACs and small state schools I also visited. I didn't end up with a job last year but I knew how much I wouldn't be making! Sigh...
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2006, 09:45:26 AM » |
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I have a related question -- I'm applying for a community college position of Asst. Prof. of Science in a large east coast city and the application materials include a salary history and requirements. I've never had to provide this before, and I'm not sure what to suggest.
I'm a Ph.D. with 2 years of college teaching experience, and the minimum qualification for this position is a Master's. The salary range listed is from $39,000 to $55,000. What would you suggest I list as my salary requirement? I'm guessing I should provide a range, right? I know the upper range is reserved for those with more experience (and possibly publications, etc.), but I'm not sure where a Ph.D. would start in here.
I don't want to give them a reason to rule me out, either on the basis of not including a salary requirement, or by quoting something too high (since they can hire a Master's degree candidate, too). Thanks for any advice -- I'm new to this, obviously.
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drdirt55
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2006, 12:13:34 PM » |
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To answer naaarrf (hope I got that right),
The salary range you listed is a wide spread. Where do you think you fall in the range? Is your C.V. strong enough to back your request? Do you have debts and expenses that drive you to a certain minimum salary?
Don't sell yourself short out of fear you'll price yourself out of a job. Be reasonable and be able to defend your reasoning/request. Articulate why you think you are worth what you require.
A spread of $16K can buy a lot - even $8K/year can buy a lot. Think long term, $5K per year now invested wisely can grow to a lot of money over a twenty year period. So it is a big decision in respects to your financial future.
Good luck.
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