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genecks
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2006, 12:11:29 AM »

Math is math. Just because the person was a junior, it doesn't mean he or she was a math major. If a person can't pass a math test, then he or she fails the math test. Math is objective, not subjective. English can be objective and subjective. In terms of grammar, punctuation, and constructing a coherent sentence, it is objective. I think people need to modify the English tests.

Also, I don't like the entrance exams that make me do analogies with words. I hate those things. I rather have a person write an essay with plain English than an essay that belongs in an ivory library. Anyway, don't most schools have entrance exams for freshman?
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2006, 12:18:01 AM »

Oh, and I've told my professors "I don't know" on multiple occasions. It has to do with a philosophical idea called "philosophical skepticism." It does make them angry. Technically, the symbols aren't the same. Well, I won't get into the philosophy of math here.

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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2007, 04:27:31 PM »

True, I believe that there are many who are admitted to college who really shouldn't be there.  And yes, many of our students are ill-prepared for college-level work.

But I'm not sure that a comprehensive exam is the answer.  After all, that's what the SAT is supposed to be, and that doesn't seem to work very well.  The real problem is how to design a test that adequately measures one's abilities and mastery of what one needs to do well in college.

And what about those who aren't good test-takers, will they pay the price for not performing well on the test when they can handle the work and do well?

I think a large part of the problem lies with the admissions office who seems to focus more on just getting a body in the school, rather than a qualified body who really belongs there.  Seems to me that admissions reps are functioning like commission sales folks, who get paid for bringing in somebody, literally anybody.

Perhaps a better way to go is to have the faculty get together and design criteria to admit students.  After all, we're the ones who know best what goes on in the classroom, know the curriculum, and know best what it takes for our students to do well.

To me, a better alternative is what we did at one school where I taught.  All of our incoming freshman had to take a mini-class that taught them the basics of doing well in college.  For example, it had a sections on things like time-management, note-taking, and reading comprehension.  It was required for all freshman, no matter what their background or test scores were, which I felt was the right way to go.  This way, they learned our system, and seemed to perform better than those who didn't go through it.
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2007, 11:11:24 PM »


Perhaps a better way to go is to have the faculty get together and design criteria to admit students.  After all, we're the ones who know best what goes on in the classroom, know the curriculum, and know best what it takes for our students to do well.

To me, a better alternative is what we did at one school where I taught.  All of our incoming freshman had to take a mini-class that taught them the basics of doing well in college.  For example, it had a sections on things like time-management, note-taking, and reading comprehension.  It was required for all freshman, no matter what their background or test scores were, which I felt was the right way to go.  This way, they learned our system, and seemed to perform better than those who didn't go through it.

Most schools are not very selective, and thus admit students whom the faculty claim are not prepared enough for college. But if the faculty got involved in admissions, and essentially made the college a tad more selective, you'd decrease enrollment, and eventually lose faculty (as in they'd get laid off).

Most of the job creation in the US is for jobs that require at least some college background; the days of working in a factory or farm are over for good.

So it seems that HS needs to be improved to make students more prepared for college. Pres Bush went to Phillips Academy; lets make all HS in the US as good as Phillips, and the problems with poor preparation disappear. If it is good enough for Pres Bush.....

 
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2011, 08:45:44 AM »

Sure.  Cytok yourself.
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2011, 07:50:56 PM »

The vast majority of institutions have first-year "mini courses" like the one you describe.  Truth is - their effects are limited only to the first semester.  See Pike & Hansen, 2010 in the Journal of Higher education. 

Admissions offices are not only evaluated on the numbers, but also on how many students are retained after the first year -- so it's not simply a matter of getting students in but not caring if they go out.

True, I believe that there are many who are admitted to college who really shouldn't be there.  And yes, many of our students are ill-prepared for college-level work.

I think a large part of the problem lies with the admissions office who seems to focus more on just getting a body in the school, rather than a qualified body who really belongs there.  Seems to me that admissions reps are functioning like commission sales folks, who get paid for bringing in somebody, literally anybody.

Perhaps a better way to go is to have the faculty get together and design criteria to admit students.  After all, we're the ones who know best what goes on in the classroom, know the curriculum, and know best what it takes for our students to do well.

To me, a better alternative is what we did at one school where I taught.  All of our incoming freshman had to take a mini-class that taught them the basics of doing well in college.  For example, it had a sections on things like time-management, note-taking, and reading comprehension.  It was required for all freshman, no matter what their background or test scores were, which I felt was the right way to go.  This way, they learned our system, and seemed to perform better than those who didn't go through it.
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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2011, 08:40:34 AM »

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