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« on: July 05, 2006, 02:11:27 PM »

I've heard a few horror stories about parents who call professors when their child (!) doesn't get a good grade.... but this story took the cake.  We wonder what these students do when they graduate...?


A 22-year-old pharmaceutical employee learned that he was not getting the promotion he had been eyeing. His boss told him he needed to work on his weaknesses first. The Harvard grad had excelled at everything he had ever done, so he was crushed by the news. He told his parents about the performance review, and they were convinced there was some misunderstanding, some way they could fix it, as they'd been able to fix everything before. His mother called the human-resources department the next day. Seventeen times. She left increasingly frustrated messages: "You're purposely ignoring us"; "you fudged the evaluation"; "you have it in for my son." She demanded a mediation session with her, her son, his boss, and HR--and got it. At one point, the 22-year-old reprimanded the HR rep for being "rude to my mom."

Quote from Scenes from the Culture Clash http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/culture-clash.html

Here's some more from the article:
 

Thanks to their overinvolved boomer parents, this cohort has been coddled and pumped up to believe they can achieve anything. Immersion in PCs, video games, email, the Internet, and cell phones for most of their lives has changed their thought patterns and may also have actually changed how their brains developed physiologically. These folks want feedback daily, not annually. And in case it's not obvious, millennials are fearless and blunt. If they think they know a better way, they'll tell you, regardless of your title.


Does any of this sound familiar?
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2006, 03:40:15 PM »

What a great story, thanks.  That youngin' should have had his desk cleaned out by security after the fifth call from mommy.

One wonders if the kid's outrage stems from his perfect grades and his top-flight degree as much as generational hubris.  I find that students in my classes that are paying their own way or are the first in their family to atend college are the most humble and hardworking.  They may not score all A's, but smart money is on them for succeeding in the real world and leading productive and moral lives.

The closest I had to that in a class was a 19-year old who protested her horrific exam by strutting up to the front, holding the exam arrogantly in her upturned hand, and smirking at me.  I thought quickly and realized that she must use this attitudinal silent treatment to get her way at home and it must work.  So, I just looked back at her and waited ... and waited ... until finally she broke the silence and said, "we have to do something about this."  That's when I went into my smother them with kindness routine that I've discussed here many times in the past.

Maybe they just know better than we do.  Case, we're just ignorant old fogies.

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2006, 04:09:05 PM »

I didn't see in the article what, if anything, happened to the 22 year-old pharmicist.  What was frightening about it, though, was the tone of the article, which was basically, "this is what the workforce will be - and you had better get used to it!"

I know every generation thinks the younger generation is stupid and clueless and will get a good butt-kicking in the "real world."  And certainly those generally represented on these fora (which I think are mostly gen X and baby-boomer) seem to feel that way.  But will there be the energy to make it that way?

One thing the article did leave off a bit was the fact that people live so much longer now, it's not as if some of the older generations can't wait around to see if the next batch after the millenials (is it just me, or do these labels get a bit silly after a while).  But I'm not sure there is much reason to believe that generation millenium plus 1.2 hyperdrive, or whatever they call it, will be any better.

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2006, 04:25:58 PM »

I didn't see in the article what, if anything, happened to the 22 year-old pharmicist.  What was frightening about it, though, was the tone of the article, which was basically, "this is what the workforce will be - and you had better get used to it!"

I know every generation thinks the younger generation is stupid and clueless and will get a good butt-kicking in the "real world."  And certainly those generally represented on these fora (which I think are mostly gen X and baby-boomer) seem to feel that way.  But will there be the energy to make it that way?

One thing the article did leave off a bit was the fact that people live so much longer now, it's not as if some of the older generations can't wait around to see if the next batch after the millenials (is it just me, or do these labels get a bit silly after a while).  But I'm not sure there is much reason to believe that generation millenium plus 1.2 hyperdrive, or whatever they call it, will be any better.

Good times!

I agree---I hear these stories but I never hear any consequences.  My fantasy is that some of these kids will (finally) get their comeuppance, but it does not seem to be happening.  At least I haven't heard stores of hordes of ill-prepared 20 somethings losing thier jobs en masse.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2006, 05:35:17 PM »

It's stories like this one that tempt me to put a policy in my syllabus such as: "If your mommy or daddy calls me, emails me, stalks me in the mall, or otherwise contacts me to complain about your grade in this course, your grade will automatically and irreversibly become an F."
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2006, 08:13:23 PM »

All this makes me want to retire. How can I grow old faster?
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2006, 08:31:06 PM »

Someone noted that the article does not say what happened to the 22yo in question.  I would have fired him, of course, for his parents' unacceptable behavior and its negative influence on our business, but methinks he did not suffer much.  And there is the rub-- these kids did not get to be the way they are, and cannot remain that way, without the direct molding of their largely boomer parents.  Boomers cannot expect other boomers' kids to behave well, act with a traditional work ethic, etc., while simultaneously spoiling their own chilluns up the wazoo.  But what can be done?
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2006, 08:56:16 PM »

The closest I had to that in a class was a 19-year old who protested her horrific exam by strutting up to the front, holding the exam arrogantly in her upturned hand, and smirking at me.  I thought quickly and realized that she must use this attitudinal silent treatment to get her way at home and it must work.  So, I just looked back at her and waited ... and waited ... until finally she broke the silence and said, "we have to do something about this."  That's when I went into my smother them with kindness routine that I've discussed here many times in the past.



How utterly ridiculous. Coddling bad behavior does nothing but encourage more of the same.

Why didn't you tell her the truth? SHE is the one who has to do something, not you.  What were you thinking?

I would have just laughed and then ignored her. She would have gotten the message loud and clear.

You may not approve of my tactics, but I get results. Those students never try that crap a second time on me.
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2006, 09:15:36 PM »

Untenured, maybe you could explain the specifics of your "kill 'em with kindness" approach.  I guess I've missed it in previous threads, but I'll bet that it in fact it does NOT involve coddling.
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2006, 10:18:24 PM »

"kill 'em with kindness" most certainly does not involve coddling, b ut rather just means remain very nice in tone and address, but don't budge and don't let 'em ruffle your feathers, which is what they want to do...
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2006, 10:33:58 PM »

I wonder if any of these kids are actually not wanting their parents to take these actions on their behalf.  I'll freely admit that I called home to complain to my parents about jobs, teachers, classes, etc.  However, I never expected that my parents would do anything on my behalf, and those expectations held.  Are there students out there with these parents that should just never say anything around them, lest the parents lash out in this way? 

Is there a way to punish the baby boomer parents for THEIR actions, without necessarily punishing the children for just following through with how they were raised? 
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2006, 10:55:34 PM »

A. Back when I was a boy we stood on our own two feet, dad-gummit! I walked 9 miles to school and back, uphill both ways, ON MY OWN TWO FEET!

B. These damn kids nowadays have their mommies wiping their little pink bottoms!  I had a kid in class last semester whose mom followed her around with a box of kleenex when she had the sniffles!

C. The world is going to hell-in-a-handbasket, dad-gummit!

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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2006, 11:08:34 PM »

Is there a way to punish the baby boomer parents for THEIR actions, without necessarily punishing the children for just following through with how they were raised? 

Oh, usually not telling them anything while being incredibly polite has been sufficiently torturous for all of the parents that I have dealt with over the years....  repeat after me:

Dear Mr/Ms. Crankyparent:

While I appreciate and share your concern for your offspring's academic progress in this course, at this juncture s/he needs to handle his/her academic responsibilities on his/her own.  I am not allowed to discuss his/her academic progress with you because s/he is a legal adult and is responsible for his/her own choices within the university framework.  As such, it really would not be beneficial for you to come in and discuss the situation with me.    

I recognize that this may not be welcome news at a time when you are concerned for your offspring, and for that I do apologize.  However, this situation is one that must be and can only be addressed by your offspring.

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I always want to add in a line about how I am sure that they have raised a capable and functional adult who will be able to rise above this particular lapse in judgment and hence be made stronger due to adversity, but I always edit that line out.

(Does everyone else have all of these lovely reply emails readily accessible for semester-to-semester modification, or do I just teach particularly problematic students?  I feel like I've been cutting and pasting too many of these of late...)          

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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2006, 11:31:16 PM »

Hi all,

This post might veer to the outskirts of the topic, but I do think it's on topic.  Speaking as a member of Gen-Y who thought I was a member of Gen-X until reading the birth years in the article (thanks to the OP who posted the link!), I agree to a point with k16 (this is the former k16, right?)

Boomers cannot expect other boomers' kids to behave well, act with a traditional work ethic, etc., while simultaneously spoiling their own chilluns up the wazoo.  But what can be done?

However, as my subject suggests, there is another side to all this.  I have, as a working adult, HAD to have dear old dad intercede for me on two occasions.  This sounds like classic spoiled kid behavior, but stay with me.

One was a publication to which I had cancelled my subscription that kept billing me.  I made numerous phone calls, in which they confirmed that I was no longer a subscriber, but continued trying to bill me anyway, and even turned me over to a collection agency!  Two days after my baby boomer father called, the situation was resolved and I never heard from them again.

Later that same year, I was in a car accident.  After we got done with the police, I did what you're supposed to do--got the insurance card out of the glovebox, called the insurance company, made my report, and was trying to make the arrangements for a rental.  I was informed that I didn't have rental coverage on my vehicle (I do).  I was then informed that my name wasn't on the policy.  I spelled my (not unusual) last name.  I read off the policy number on the card.  The insurance person continued refusing to help me with my claim further.  I hung up and called my father.  He, the male baby boomer, called the insurance company, and TEN MINUTES LATER everything was arranged and I ended up driving that rental for a month while my car's new parts were on backorder. 

I attribute both of these incidents to boomer-age folks who are simply unwilling to listen to a young woman, even if she says that water is wet, but will listen to a boomer man.  I sometimes still wonder about the serious consequences--damaged credit rating, no car for a month--that could have happened if I hadn't had a middle-aged man to speak up for me in either situation. 

It was interesting to me that the first two cases in the article were about young men, as even in this supposedly modern world I have observed men being treated with much more public respect than women (see above, and ask me about my undergrad school sometime).  Additionally, I do believe that both "young'uns" in the article were out of line, and I believe that most of the things our students complain about are ridiculous.

I also believe our society is undoubtedly coddling this millennial generation to a ridiculous degree.

Based on my own experience, though, I further believe that there is another message being sent to this generation--that people in their 20s are less than adults, that their opinions will not be taken seriously, that the only way to get ANY problem solved is by bringing in Mom and Dad. 

It made me sick to have to say "Daddy fix it" in both situations I've shared here.  I'm also pragmatic enough to know that it was the surest solution in both cases. 

I can't be the only Gen-Y person to have received these messages from our society.  Perhaps when our students run into ANY problem at all, they (like me) act from past experience and call their parents, who have been the only people they've observed being able to solve any problems that have touched them before.

Thanks to anyone who's still reading; obviously I'm still trying to puzzle this all out.  My students drive me crazy with their whining, but I also know what it's like to behave responsibly and be rendered effectively unable to do anything about a situation.  Naturally, then, one tends to look to the people who WERE able to act in past such situations.

Now if I can just be generous of mind and spirit enough to at least consider all this the next time a student complains . . .
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2006, 11:37:41 PM »

A. Back when I was a boy we stood on our own two feet, dad-gummit! I walked 9 miles to school and back, uphill both ways, ON MY OWN TWO FEET!

Larry C, and anyone else who needs a chuckle--for one year of my life, I DID walk uphill both ways to and from school.  The campus apartment building where I lived my junior year of college was across a creek from the main part of campus, and the creek was at the bottom of a U-shaped gully. 

To class in the morning--downhill, then up.

Back from class--downhill, then up again.

I really did walk uphill both ways!

(Definitely wasn't 9 miles though--more like 90 yards--I went to a small school!)
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