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GNM
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2005, 03:00:03 PM »

"Japanese rulers were responsible for the incineration of Hiroshima and Nagasaki,alongwith those who decided to drop the nuclear bombs."

Indeed, let's not forget the infamous "Rape of Nan King" in WW II, during which Japanese soldiers slaughtered at least 300,00 Chinese civilians in the most horrific ways, and raped at least 20,000 women. It is believed by some that the civilian death toll in Nan King was greater than combined death tolls from US atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan.  

Now consider too these civilian casuality numbers from the Vietnam War released by the French Press Agency on April 4, 1995: 2,000,000 in North Vietnam, 2,000,000 in the South.

Vietnam ended with the U.S. fleeing the country as it fell to communism.  In Iraq, the first democratic elections in history, as far as I know, were held thanks to the U.S. led invasion. The point here is not to minimize the tragedy and horror of civilan casualities in Iraq, or in any conflict for that matter, but to realize that the Iraqi people themselves may eventually find it was worth the sacrifice of even 100,000 for the sake of securing a democratic and free country.  I say this fully aware that the situationm could easily deteriorate, and that it may not end this way.  But at least now these people have a chance.  


I ask everyone here, how many died, from the Revolutionary ar to the Civil War to World War II and beyond, to form and protect this Union in which we live and prosper, in which we enjoy so much freedom and abundance (again, knowing fully that not everyone enjoys so much freedom and abundance, but that most do)?  Has  it been worth it?
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obscure assistant prof
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2005, 11:33:23 AM »

It's funny, Dr. Hellman, but I am a left-leaning soft-scientist who feels extreme pressure from conservative colleagues and students.  As the study and the formum shows, we are not very good to each other are we.  We blow each other up with bombs and with rhetoric.  I feel as though I don't have a home anywhere.
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John Elliott
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2005, 06:51:25 AM »

I would be interested in a study of how innocent Islamic civilians are being used as shields by Islamic terrorists.

I would be interested in a study of how many innocent Islamic citizens have been murdered by Islamic terrorists and tyrants in the last, say, 20 years.

I would be interested in how many civilian casualties were suffered during WWII.

I would be interested in a study of the actual scientific and/or political purpose of this "rigorous scientific study."

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