next »

[nayomie69]

Does anyone know of traditional brick and mortar schools that offere PhD programs online?  I am having difficulty locating many. This seems to be a viable solutions to my delima of maintaining family life while furthering my education.

[twofish]

Does anyone know of traditional brick and mortar schools that offere PhD programs online?  I am having difficulty locating many. This seems to be a viable solutions to my delima of maintaining family life while furthering my education.

Get a book from John Bear and look up the section on British research Ph.D's.  Ph.D. programs are by their nature ad-hoc and are very unlike masters programs which are much easier to package.

[zharkov]

Does anyone know of traditional brick and mortar schools that offere PhD programs online?  I am having difficulty locating many. This seems to be a viable solutions to my delima of maintaining family life while furthering my education.

You can get more specifiic advice if you say what field, what career path, and what area of the country you live in.

For example, in the northeast, and although not 100pct fersure, GWU in DC and Pierce in NH have limited residency doctoral programs that meet something like one weekend per month.

I second the suggestion about Bear's guides.
 

[london1]

Does anyone know of traditional brick and mortar schools that offere PhD programs online?  I am having difficulty locating many. This seems to be a viable solutions to my delima of maintaining family life while furthering my education.

The University of Nebraska-Lincoln offers a PhD in Higher Education Administration which require very little physical residency (2 courses and the dissertation defense).  The rest of the degree is fully online.

http://cehs.unl.edu/edad/graduate/hedoc.shtml

[sevenbicycle]

This is a perfect example of how "snooty" higher education has become.  "Oh my degree at a non-online degree program is better than yours."  "I must be the gatekeeper and keep everyone out."  A similar case can be said about the white, male, heterosexual, Christian privilege in our country as well.

[jacobkensington]

I was reviewing posts about on line universities and came across this old post albeit relevant; you were very diligent in your research. When reading your post however, it could not escape me that you are doing this while on the job. As an employer, I just couldn't help but notice...........I'm sure that could open up a whole new line of blogs......keep up the good work :).

[doctorious]

I know of one ACBSP school that wants to move upscale to AACSB, and figures it will cost them a million dollars to get there.

Hi zharkov,

I stumbled upon this older post and thought I would note that the school of business at the institution from which I earned my MBA --Woodbury University in Burbank, CA (http://www.woodbury.edu) -- is currently ACBSP accredited, but is endeavoring to earn the AACSB "gold seal." I am unsure of all the steps involved, but among the many things they are doing is constructing a new building on campus to purely house the business program. They have been at it for about 2 years now. Assuming this accreditation happens will it increase the value/perception of my MBA in a "grandfathering" kind of way? Could I say I went to an AACSB accredited program even if that wasn't the case when I was there?

[zharkov]

I know of one ACBSP school that wants to move upscale to AACSB, and figures it will cost them a million dollars to get there.

Hi zharkov,

I stumbled upon this older post and thought I would note that the school of business at the institution from which I earned my MBA --Woodbury University in Burbank, CA (http://www.woodbury.edu) -- is currently ACBSP accredited, but is endeavoring to earn the AACSB "gold seal." I am unsure of all the steps involved, but among the many things they are doing is constructing a new building on campus to purely house the business program. They have been at it for about 2 years now. Assuming this accreditation happens will it increase the value/perception of my MBA in a "grandfathering" kind of way? Could I say I went to an AACSB accredited program even if that wasn't the case when I was there?

The ethics are really about not misleading people.  I can tell people that my alma mater is ranked in the top 100 in US News, but there were no such rankings when I went there.  So there is a nuance involved....

You didn't graduate from an AACSB program.

You did graduate from a program this is now accredited by AACSB.

I would avoid mentioning AACSB and your school in the same sentence is a CV or cover letter, but you can explain the situation in a conversation, if it comes up.  ("Tell me about your MBA program....."0

[juliestockman]

I've read the entire thread and this is my first post.

This is my own take:

1.  This thread is 25% about online education v brick and mortar and 75% about proprietary v traditional education.

2.  The only place such as arguement truthfully matters is in the field of education.  Employers see less in a name and more in the education obtained.

3.  Education is changing - rapidly.  www.bls.gov in the Occupational Outlook Handbook lists Education as one of the top five fields to go into in the next 10-15 years because of opportunity stemming from retiring baby boomers and growth stemming from rising enrollments.  Here in OH - Governor Strickland is seeking to increase enrollment in OH schools by trifold in the next ten years.

I currently have a BS in ED from a traditional brick and mortar school, an MS in Executive Leadership and Organizational Change from a traditional brick and mortar school, and intend to obtain a PhD from a research college in Higher Ed Admin.

I currently work in proprietary education.  My goal is to someday worm my way into the ivory tower.

My intent is to steal the ivory [/facetiousness]

[zharkov]

3.  Education is changing - rapidly.  www.bls.gov in the Occupational Outlook Handbook lists Education as one of the top five fields to go into in the next 10-15 years because of opportunity stemming from retiring baby boomers and growth stemming from rising enrollments.  Here in OH - Governor Strickland is seeking to increase enrollment in OH schools by trifold in the next ten years.

I hope the increase in demand for college faculty and admins increases over the next 10 years, but I wouldn't hold my breath.  The BLS said that retirements would lead to an increase in demand for faculty in the 90s, then they said this decade, now they've pushed it out another 10 years.

I also hope Strickland gets that increase, but have the taxpayers of Ohio shown any support for this kind of multi-billion dollar increase in spending?  (I'd assume not, making Strickland's proposal mostly wishful thinking.)

[bized1979]

Alternative education programs are here and more are being added as we speak.  This is education for the 21st century.  The old traditionalist will soon be replaced by those of us who have the vision and foresight to venture into unchartered territory.

I agree with the sentiment, but caution that nothing happens "soon" in academia.

I think the key milestone to watch for acceptance of online grad programs is when one is accredited by a professional accreditor, like the APA or AACSB.  To my knowledge, neither has yet happened.

In terms of online schools' earning professional accreditation, Northcentral University is the first & only online program to have been accredited by ACBSP.  They offer both the PhD and DBA in Business Administration with various specialties, including Advanced Accounting.

I hold my BA in Organizational Leadership & MA in Education (both from brick and mortar institutions) and currently teach Accounting, Business Management, and Finance fulltime at the secondary level in addition to serving as an Accounting Adjunct at a prestigious, private university.  Considering my experience as an educator, how would a "non-traditional" PhD in Accounting that is both regionally and ACBSP accredited be received by institutions of higher learning (particularly in a discipline that is currently so desperate for faculty)?   

[zharkov]

Alternative education programs are here and more are being added as we speak.  This is education for the 21st century.  The old traditionalist will soon be replaced by those of us who have the vision and foresight to venture into unchartered territory.

I agree with the sentiment, but caution that nothing happens "soon" in academia.

I think the key milestone to watch for acceptance of online grad programs is when one is accredited by a professional accreditor, like the APA or AACSB.  To my knowledge, neither has yet happened.

In terms of online schools' earning professional accreditation, Northcentral University is the first & only online program to have been accredited by ACBSP.  They offer both the PhD and DBA in Business Administration with various specialties, including Advanced Accounting.

I hold my BA in Organizational Leadership & MA in Education (both from brick and mortar institutions) and currently teach Accounting, Business Management, and Finance fulltime at the secondary level in addition to serving as an Accounting Adjunct at a prestigious, private university.  Considering my experience as an educator, how would a "non-traditional" PhD in Accounting that is both regionally and ACBSP accredited be received by institutions of higher learning (particularly in a discipline that is currently so desperate for faculty)?   

I think there are possibilities....  Start "close to home," ask your dept chair and full time accounting faculty about the program at NCU.  (I assume the place you teach is AACSB accredited. It will be if it is prestigious.) Ask whether a grad of an ACBSP school would be considered for an opening.  If you feel bold, ask them if they'd hire you if you had a PhD from NCU.  (Show them detailed info about the program.)

Other things to research:  It is really a PhD in Accounting or a PhD in Business Admin with an Accounting concentration?  How does the NCU accounting program/concentration compare to AACSB programs in your state?  (Research the actual curriculum, courses, etc.)  Ask NCU for placement data for recent grads.  Ask to speak with recent grads, and ask them about the perception of the program in their job searchers.

Good Luck!

[bized1979]

I think there are possibilities....  Start "close to home," ask your dept chair and full time accounting faculty about the program at NCU.  (I assume the place you teach is AACSB accredited. It will be if it is prestigious.) Ask whether a grad of an ACBSP school would be considered for an opening.  If you feel bold, ask them if they'd hire you if you had a PhD from NCU.  (Show them detailed info about the program.)

Other things to research:  It is really a PhD in Accounting or a PhD in Business Admin with an Accounting concentration?  How does the NCU accounting program/concentration compare to AACSB programs in your state?  (Research the actual curriculum, courses, etc.)  Ask NCU for placement data for recent grads.  Ask to speak with recent grads, and ask them about the perception of the program in their job searchers.

Good Luck!

Thanks for your input.  I emailed the complete degree plan to my department chair and am awaiting a response.  Also, the degree is officially a PhD in Business Admin with an Advanced Accounting specialization.  However, of the 54 semester hours required, 21 hours is derived of Accounting coursework in topics including Forensic Accounting, Advanced Managerial Accounting, Cost Accounting, Auditing Methods, Advanced Tax Strategies, International Accounting, and more. 

Furthermore, 24 hours of research methods and the dissertation must surround an Accounting topic.  Given this skeletal outline, would this degree truly differ all that much from a PhD in Accounting in terms of the percentage of study dedicated solely to Accounting?

Thanks again!

[zharkov]

Furthermore, 24 hours of research methods and the dissertation must surround an Accounting topic.  Given this skeletal outline, would this degree truly differ all that much from a PhD in Accounting in terms of the percentage of study dedicated solely to Accounting?

Thanks again!

That's where you need to do some of your own research.  Check out AACSB schools and benchmark the PhD in accounting requirements vs. this program. (The AACSB listing of school is on the web, and most schools have their catalogs online.)

Here is one approach.  Consider 2 to 4 schools you'd like to teach at. Look at the school catalog or website to see where the accounting profs got their PhDs.  Look at their PhD programs and compare them to NCU.