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mindfulwhim
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Is this really necessary?


« Reply #120 on: July 26, 2006, 07:37:01 AM »

It's been a long time since I have visited this thread, and in light of how jovial it has become, my response may seem out of place.

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Mindfulwhim: Do you solicit students' comments on your colleagues' stuffiness?Or do they volunteer it?


In order to understand this, try to consider who my students are and what they do. They are artists, which means they "feel". The more they feel and understand those feelings, the better they are equipped to communicate them. I want them to feel strongly, and the quality of their work depends upon them feeling comfortable to express themselves..totally. Good artists (poets, writers, filmmakers, painters, muscians, etc.) may be generally considered societal litmus. Scary to some, I admit.

If they have something to express, I not only allow them, I encourage them to express it. We learn about the human condition from a discussion about social issues and our feelings. The answer to your question is: Both.

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Are you comfortable being a sounding board for their complaints about their other teachers?


Sure. Sometimes closely examining social dynamics and creating good artisitic work about it means to expand ones comfort zones. I am not afraid, and I encourage students to set their fears aside. Why not allow others to speak of social taboos? This is the academy and the discussion of new or otherwise unspoken ideas should be encouraged. If not examined, discussed or expressed here, then where?

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How much time do you allow for their complaints before suggesting that they put their creativity to artistic use in your classroom?

Good question. Sometimes the best thing to do is allow a full discussion of the topic, while at other times it is best to "Save the rage for the page". I will allow the completely subjective nature of the discussion to dictate the best course to take. Some students want to vent, while others are interested in the 'nugget" of the idea. If the topic is of interest to most of the students in the class, I may facilitate a more indepth exploration by designing an assignment around it. If not, then we can move on to the next idea. Of course, each artist may expres their feelings in their work without judgement from me, except in terms of how well they express themselves and communicate their ideas via their medium of choice.

I admit that my approach has been considered radical and perhaps inappropriate by some. I do however, try to stress that we are not doing this to make judgements, but rather observations and personal interpretations of events and ideas. Any judgements are strictly the responsibility of the individual interpreter, and that by owning our personal judgements we may better know ourselves, better understand the world in which we live, and perhaps better know why we feel the way we do.

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"I do not know myself, and I thank God for it". -Goethe

How did Goethe come to this conclusion? The answer is, Through an exploration of the self. If more people tried to be self aware, perhaps we wouldn't see the passive-aggressive, self interested, and absolutely outrageous behavior patterns in others that makes our social world a nightmare: war, divorce, etc. The list is endless.

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« Reply #121 on: July 26, 2006, 09:21:52 AM »

I will happily call you Queen Smith or Janie Girl or anything in between, just tell me what to call you!!!!

I am a professional staff member in one college of a research university, but taking graduate courses in my field in another college.  In my job I am on a first name basis with everyone up to the to the Dean, VPs and probably the President should they ever be in a meeting with me.  When I called him Dean So and So after his promotion to that position, our Dean said he'd fire me if I called him that again.  He was joking, mostly, but you get the idea.

I walk a couple buildings away and am suddenly in another world.  Assoc Prof "Roger Jones" is my advisor.  I have no idea what to call him. Given the length of time I've known him and our similar ages, Prof Jones seems as insultingly over-formal as Roger, without specific permission, would seem presumptuous.

So, as previously mentioned, I don't call him anything.  Emails start with alternate greetings - Good Morning/afternoon the most common.  (His replies signed R. Jones provide little guidance - is that a hint or just his habit?)  If you see this behavior in a student, it might be time for a clarification of what you are comfortable with.  PLEASE!!!!!!!!

Thanks

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« Reply #122 on: July 26, 2006, 05:14:33 PM »

thank you, undecided_one, for the good advice!

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« Reply #123 on: July 27, 2006, 03:00:07 PM »

As a young Ph.D. myself, I suggest using a title, either Dr. or Professor, or Miss or Mrs. if you choose.  Whether recognized or not by some, today's college student is so damn informal, and discipline problems are such an increasing reality, that it is wise to establish a set boundaries and formalities.  Remember, rules establish a zone of comfortable for all parties involved.  (You will understand the necessity of boundaries when you get bombarded with f***** up emails from students with the most pathetic requests, requirements, excuses, "ideas", comments, etc.  Sorry for the language, but it is sooooo appropriate!)

As for how you address your students, calling them Mr. or Mrs. may work, but seems rather silly.  Come on, like others have noted, when I was an undergrad, my profs calling me by my first name never seemed insulting; on the contrary, I expected it.  The real problems came when I called some profs by their first names, as they insisted, then started to see these knuckleheads at frat parties or doing some late night "snacking" with students in their dorm rooms.  (It was at a prestigious SLAC, so it figures.)  Just remember that you are a professional...that is a good starting point.
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« Reply #124 on: October 03, 2006, 10:14:26 AM »

I was "Mr. Grieves" when I was a Pixies song. And I was still "Mr. Grieves" when TV on the Radio covered me. But now I have my Ed.D., so it's "Dr. Grieves" from now on.

If I were Bill Cosby, I'd be "Dr. Grieves, Ed.D."

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #125 on: October 03, 2006, 11:25:17 AM »

I tend to insist on "Dr." only when I'm among physicians.
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