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The Chronicle of Higher Education: Colloquy

COLLOQUY
THE QUESTION
RESPONSES
BACKGROUND


Should universities limit the size of their graduate programs based on projections about the academic job market?


The most recent responses appear first

"While I agree that institutions shouldn't limit the number of Ph.D. candidates according to what universities feel to be demand,..."

-- Inness Asher, Part-Time Instructor, any and all institutions (posted 5/26, 2:33 p.m., E.D.T.)

"What happened to Mr. Lombardi's comments in this forum?..."
-- Anonymous (posted 5/11, 1 p.m., E.D.T.)

"The suggestion that graduate programs should diversify the training of their graduate students is often unrealistic..."
-- Steven Daniel, University of Nevada, Reno (posted 5/10, 3:35 p.m., E.D.T.)

"The true tragedy with the oversupply of Ph.D.'s..."
-- Sharon Crick, unaffiliated (posted 5/7, 5:35 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Nostradamus has done a better job predicting future trends than academia with respect to the job market..."
-- Matthew Osborn, Lecturer, UC-Santa Cruz (posted 5/7, 12:35 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Get a grip, Jennifer Sparrow!..."
-- Anonymous, ABD, Harvard University (posted 5/7, 12:20 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Culpepper and Whiteis, your reasoning is eloquent in an ideal universe..."
-- Anonymous (posted 5/7, 11:35 a.m., E.D.T.)

"An alternative would be to decrease the time spent in graduate school..."
-- Justin I. McIntyre, Senior Research Scientist, Pacific Northwest National Lab (posted 5/7, 11:15 a.m., E.D.T.)

"I think what's different about the job market today, compared to twenty or thirty years ago,..."
-- Catherine N. Ball, Assoc. Prof. and Chair, Linguistics, Georgetown (posted 5/6, 2:45 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Not only should Ph. D. programs be scaled back, but all funding from state and federal sources should be eliminated. Then the temptation to..."
-- Myron A. Skulas, Instructor, Davis College (posted 5/5, 4:01 p.m., E.D.T.)

"I am not an academic, but the wife of a former academic and the mother of a son who is currently on the academic "market." I feel strongly that Jennifer Sparrow's message calls for a response. ..."
-- Milena McGraw, B.A. (English), University of Wisconsin-Madison, novelist and part-time public library clerk (posted 5/5, 3:35 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Is there an oversupply of PhD's? Definitely! Should we limit the number of people in..."
-- Kathleen Kaysinger, former Research Scientist, Carolinas Medical Center (posted 5/5, 3:54 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Many older American professors brag openly about placing their children in prestigious academic jobs or graduate programs using their..."
-- Mike Garant, Senior Lecturer, Helsinki University (posted 5/5, 3:49 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Mr. Thornton, and frankly many of those who have, in one way or another, suggested that PhDs are whining and should cease..."
-- Anonymous (posted 5/4, 5 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Jennifer Sparrow wants people to teach in high school,..."
-- Reid Austin, Instructor, Piedmont Technical College (posted 5/4, 4:55 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Frank Thornton would like all Ph.D.'s who cannot find an academic job to stop whining and look for other employment..."
-- Alex Navarro, Doctoral Candidate, Univ. of Michigan (posted 5/4, 12:12 p.m., E.D.T.)

"I am ABD and I obtained a tenure-line instructor position last year for which I am profoundly grateful..."
-- Jennifer Sparrow, Instructor, Medgar Evers College, CUNY (posted 5/4, 10 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Ms. Kersey, your situation is the exception:..."
-- Anonymous (posted 5/4, 9:40 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Dear Frank Thornton, There are plenty of jobs at colleges,..."
-- Reid Austin, Piedmont Technical College (posted 5/4, 9:40 a.m., E.D.T.)

"After thirty years on the job with the University of Florida's Cooperative Extension Service, I earned a Ph.D. last year..."
-- Alice Kersey, Extension Service, University of Florida (posted 5/3, 4:13 p.m., E.D.T.)

"In the sciences (i.e., physics, chemistry, and biology), colleges shouldn't limit the number of students they admit into graduate programs..."
-- Eric Ellison, Postdoctoral Research Associate, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, University of Notre Dame (posted 5/3, 1:55 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Academic departments, especially at public universities, must respond to market forces..."
-- Keith Gaddie, Professor, University of Oklahoma (posted 5/3, 1:30 p.m., E.D.T.)

"The entire problem is defined by Dr. Lombardi's phrase..."
-- Frank C. Thornton, Senior Soil Scientist (posted 5/3, 1:15 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Most of the contributions to this debate seem to have come from people with degrees in the humanities..."
-- David Laman, Postdoctoral Fellow (posted 5/3, 1 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Dr. Lombardi is working from a premise that is not true for many graduate programs..."
-- Bonny Forrest, Doctoral Student Teachers College Columbia University (posted 5/3, 12:35 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Hats off to Gareth Price (and others) for saying what many graduate students are afraid to say..."
-- Anonymous, Unemployed political scientist (posted 5/3, 12:22 p.m., E.D.T.)

"I do not believe that restricting the number of openings in Ph.D. programs..."
-- David A. April, D.B.A., Director of Administrative Services, Community Health and Counseling Services (posted 5/3, 12:15 p.m., E.D.T.)

"The basic fact is that if there were full disclosure of the job situation experienced by humanities Ph.D.s..."
-- William J. Kakish, Ph.D., unaffiliated (posted 4/30, 5:40 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Colleges shouldn't limit entrance to students foolish enough to go to grad school; how would they turn a profit?..."
-- Gareth Amaya Price, ABD, UConn (posted 4/30, 11 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Phds in the humanities are not "needed" in publishing or technical writing, either. My experience in both fields agrees with Mr. Huey's. That said, I do not want to further depress poor..."
-- Anonymous, software company (posted 4/29, 8:48 a.m., E.D.T.)

"While this dialogue was generated by Dr. Lombardi's article in which he discussed the Ph.D. degree I have noticed..."
-- Mark W. Hurwitz, Ed.D., No affiliation (posted 4/29, 8:42 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Dear President Lombardi, Is it or is it not the case that there has been..."
-- Mark E. Recznik, Director of Development Services, Franciscan University (posted 4/28, 11:53 a.m., E.D.T.)

"I wouldn't be quite so smug about the plethora of jobs open in locations where PhD recipients don't want to live. There are real..."
-- David G. Whiteis, Indiana-Purdue University at Ft. Wayne (posted 4/28, 11:51 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Lombardi makes some clear points, but some blame must be allocated to the program leadership in..."
-- John D. Craig, PhD Candidate, Director, Tech-Prep NCCC (posted 4/28, 11:48 a.m., E.D.T.)

"A backlog of over 4,000 persons with PhDs in History awarded since 1989 are waiting for jobs in academe, according to..."
-- Brendan McManus, Assistant Professor of History (posted 4/28, 11:47 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Dr. Robert Wyatt writes,..."
-- Robert G. Walker, PhD, no academic affiliation (posted 4/27, 4:50 p.m., E.D.T.)

"After following this colloquy from the beginning, I would probably be contemplating suicide..."
-- T. Allen Culpepper, Instructor of English and Literature, Dodge City Community College (posted 4/27, 4:25 p.m., E.D.T.)

"There are two sides to a 'Ph.D' process..."
-- Subramania I. Sritharan, Professor and Chair, Water Resources Management, Central State University, Wilberforce, Ohio (posted 4/27, 4:15 p.m., E.D.T.)

"This is an interesting question because I decided to get a doctorate because I wanted to write and publish in the field of education and law..."
-- Evelyn Keaton, Ph.D. student, Indiana University (posted 4/27, 11:35 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Don't worry, Dr. Wyatt. We're not so stupid that we didn't learn our lesson:..."
-- Anonymous, unaffiliated (posted 4/27, 11:25 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Are students' decisions to pursue a Ph.D. fully informed decisions?..."
-- Geoff Davis, Researcher, Microsoft Research (posted 4/27, 11:20 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Unbelievable, that one can be bright enough to earn a Ph.D..."
-- Dr. Robert Wyatt, Instructor/Media Specialist; Western Kentucky U. (posted 4/26, 11:45 a.m., E.D.T.)

"The universities should be required to show the potential graduate students an up close view of the job market..."
-- James McClernan, Ed.D., University of Arizona (in Phoenix) (posted 4/26, 11:35 a.m., E.D.T.)

"There are many tenure-track jobs! Five are waiting to be filled in my department alone..."
-- Dr. Robert M. Silverman, Assistant Professor, Jackson State University (posted 4/26, 11:30 a.m., E.D.T.)

"I wanted to respond to Dr. Polesky's comments..."
-- Reid Austin, Instructor, Piedmont Technical College (posted 4/26, 11:20 a.m., E.D.T.)

"There once was a time when Universities were a place where one could go to learn..."
-- Kemie Guaida, Communications Dept., Universidad Iberoamericana (posted 4/26, 11 a.m., E.D.T.)

"I often feel that I made one big mistake in life earning a Ph.D..."
-- Prasad S. Thenkabail, Associate Research Scientist, Yale University (posted 4/26, 10:45 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Unfortunately, without graduate students, most faculty would not be able to carry on the research..."
-- Harold J. Drabkin, Instructor, MIT (posted 4/26, 10:40 a.m., E.D.T.)

"I think it is incorrect to assume that all Ph.D. students intend to pursue a career in academia..."
-- Julie A. Paulson, Ph.D. student; UW-Milwaukee (posted 4/26, 10:32 a.m., E.D.T.)

"I think that a working dialogue between faculty members..."
-- Howard B. Davenport, Instructor-Business Administration (posted 4/23, 12:10 p.m., E.D.T.)

"In reading these responses, I find it interesting that the most ardent supporters of the 'MacDonald's' approach..."
-- Darryl E. Haley, GTA, University of Alabama (posted 4/22, 1:35 p.m., E.D.T.)

"I agree with John Lombardi in general but disagree on particulars..."
-- Doug Campbell, Grad Student / Texas Tech (posted 4/22, 11:12 a.m., E.D.T.)

"This is an interesting question. I don't think that academia should be limiting the Ph.D. students..."
-- Ralph Dell'Aquila, Advanced EdD counseling student-George Washington University (posted 4/22, 10:20 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Contrary to those in the nonacademic world, the hiring practices of academic departments dictate..."
-- Beatriz Urraca, Visiting Assistant Professor, Haverford College (posted 4/21, 2:07 p.m., E.D.T.)

"It is NOT enough to expect schools to warn students about the academic job market..."
-- Underemployed, unaffiliated (posted 4/21, 11 a.m., E.D.T.)

"In response to both John Lombardi's article and Cary Nelson's article,..."
-- Michael J. Nanna, Ph.D., Adjunct Professor, Univ. of Phoenix (posted 4/21, 10:20 a.m., E.D.T.)

"The question whether or not advanced degrees should be limited is not as vivid as this one..."
-- Bernard Klein, Ph.D., Associate Instructor- Marylhurst University (posted 4/21, 9:55 a.m., E.D.T.)

"I agree with you that the function of a University is not to serve as an employment agency..."
-- Sharon L. Wampler, Ph.D., Marketing Manager (posted 4/20, 12:50 p.m., E.D.T.)

"Professor Chiang, is that sarcastic realism or sarcastic parody?..."
-- Brendan McManus, Assistant Professor of History (posted 4/20, 11:27 a.m., E.D.T.)

"Do you feel guilty to get a Ph.D.?..."
-- Andrew Nan, Ph.D. (posted 4/20, 11 a.m., E.D.T.)

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