No welcome in Washington
Author: Colloquy Moderator
Date: 10-22-04 14:38
Academics have long served as a rich talent pool on which American
presidents could draw to fill thousands of key posts in the federal
government, from high cabinet officials to members of humble advisory
panels. In recent years, however, the process by which such nominees
are confirmed by the Senate has been hampered by a welter of paperwork,
a thicket of intrusive questions unrelated to the job, and a swamp of
petty senatorial disputes. One critic has likened the process to "death
by a thousand paper cuts." What can be done about the problem? Why have
previous attempts at reforming the process failed? If asked to serve by
the president of the United States, would you submit yourself to this
process? Read more...
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Marcy Tanter
Date: 10-26-04 09:50
I'd be very interested in working for the federal gov't in
Washington. I actually looked into how to get my name in a pool
somewhere and it's a very complicated process that seems open to folks
with non-Humanities degrees other than political science! I contacted
the Dept of Education at one point and asked them what type of job
someone with a PhD in English could have there; the reply I got was
something like, "if you're qualified for an open job, you will know
from the job announcement." I've looked many times and have never seen
an open position there for which someone like me could qualify. The
appointment process may be convuluted, but it also seems open to just a
select group, despite the fact that many of us would be willing to
serve.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Gene McMillen, Prof., Wor Wic
Date: 10-26-04 12:08
We had an old saying among us military officers, "Sworn in, then
sworn at." True, bad English, but it makes the point that the
government is wrecked with spiteful officials who resist bringing in
new blood. They fear intellegence because it is powerful. Knowledge
will win issue arguments everytime, and, let's face it, most
academicians I know are painfully honest (a trait poorly respected in
politics today). With the liberal blather permiating every facet of the
media, it becomes no wonder that people question academics. The
politicians must be right, afterall, because they are on TV and we are
not.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Bystander
Date: 10-26-04 18:21
Regrettably, there is such a thing as a Washington type--the people
who bounce from one staff job to another and never really leave. If you
want to work in Washington and are not sufficiently
connected/experienced to move in at the top, you'd best reconcile
yourself to the prospect of being a Washington type. Move there, get a
gig, network, network, network and prepare for a life in a bureaucracy.
Once you're addicted to the salary and fringe benefits it's hard to
leave.
As to academics in Washington--do we really want them there? If they
could go there, share their expertise, help change the world, and then
return to academe, OK. But what if they come down with Potomac fever
and only return to academe when they have to? Do we want them then?
Should we be a fallback position for the ambitious? (Kudos to Harvard
for only giving two years of leave, no matter what position you hold.)
You've got to choose one side or the other and dedicate yourself to the
task at hand. Many former academics like William Bennett were never
really serious academics and they hang out at think tanks and on the
rubber chicken circuit. Some serious politicians have successfully made
the transition. John Brademas did a wonderful job positioning NYU for
the greatness it now has and David Boren is doing an excellent job at
Oklahoma, using his skills and experience to move his university
forward.
But Donna Shalala? She held onto her cabinet post when an unelected and
unappointed person was allowed to take over the most important issue of
our time for a person in Shalala's job--health care. This person then
made a total hash of the issue, going behind closed doors and spinning
out vast bureaucratic dreams and fantasies that never became reality.
Shalala should have resigned on the spot. We don't need people like
that (in Washington or in universities). In fairness, the one person to
resign from the Clinton administration in an act of conscience (however
you feel about welfare reform) was Peter Edelman, who happened to also
be a solid academic. When others were lied to (Sec'y Albright, e.g.)
they clung to their jobs, though Sec'y Albright was never a serious
academic like her mentor Zbig.
We need the expertise of academics but Potomac fever is a powerful
malady and what we often get are people who become neither fish nor
fowl but rather institute types, after-dinner speakers, talk show
guests, etc. The money corrupts, as does the fleeting affair with power.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Tim Harris, Eastern KY Uni.
Date: 10-29-04 10:06
Hello All:
Thank you for the several interesting comments. Regarding
academics in Washington, I must admit that (although being one) I am
skeptical that many academics could truly be the best people for
various executive branch jobs.
Why? It is very simple and few can deny this fact: The vast majority of
academics, especially in the humanities (i.e. English, history,
philosophy, etc) are liberal to the extreme and this, I think, is what
both alienates Republicans from joining the ranks of academe (many are
"blacklisted"...just examine the remarks of certain Columbia university
history professors that clearly show their vitriolic and irrational
hatred toward conservatives and America. ).
In my experience I have found Democrats to be more entrenched in their
beliefs than most Republicans. Liberals bring an inherent bias to
Washington. It is almost impossible to be "liberal" and "objective." I
don't care how many Ph.D's you have. There are many a professor in this
nation who do not deserve the title of "Dr." They claim to be
"open-minded" and cling to freedom of speech while they want nothing
more than 100% of voting Americans to be either a Democrat or, at
least, Independent.
Dr. Bill Bennet is one of the very few great academics that has served in a political position with great integrity.
It is almost impossible to be a conservative Republican and ever
expect to excel in academe because the scales are tipped against you.
The ivory tower has become a haven for liberal/socialist,
America-hating, professors that treat their political beliefs as a
religion.
As for me, I am a professor and a conservative Republican. I sincerely
believe that Washing needs more Anne Coulters because she speaks with
principle and conviction. Plus, she's a good historian and Washington
needs more Republican historians in order to revise the "revisionist"
liberal/socialist history that is continuall fed to undergraduates
these days.
The founders would be gravely disappointed at the state of political parties today.
T. Harris
"As to academics in Washington--do we really want them there? If they
could go there, share their expertise, help change the world, and then
return to academe, OK."
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Psychologist
Date: 10-29-04 18:17
Professor Harris repeats one of the right wing's favorite mantras
about the liberal bias in higher education. I'm not quite sure how his
comments address the issue of this discussion, but they are worth a
response nonetheless. The evidence about the political leanings of
academics is far more mixed than the right wing would have us believe.
If my recollection is accurate, there was an article in the Chronicle
some time ago that reported on a survey of academics' positions on a
number of issues. The report indicated that academics varied quite a
bit in their positions, with a significant proportion holding
conservative views. But even if we accept that academics, especially in
certain fields, are mostly liberal, the right wing's explanation for
this phenomenon is not the only possible interpretation, and probably
isn't the correct one. Basically, the right wing seems to view this
liberal bias as the result of some sort of political process. In other
words, liberal academics took power in the academy (especially in
certain disciplines) and excluded conservatives. I would propose an
alternate explanation. Academics are, as a group, one of the most, if
not the most, intelligent and highly educated groups of people in the
society. In theory, if not always in practice, they are committed to
seeking and imparting truth and knowledge. Perhaps academics tend to
hold liberal views because liberal views are more often right than are
conservative views. I suppose in today's political climate the notion
that there is truth that can be accurately discerned is hopelessly
naive and old school. After all, we have a president who wasn't
elected, who presides over the most dishonest and inept administration
ever, whose policies have been disastrous, but who still might be
reelected. So maybe academics don't belong in Washington. Knowledge and
facts don't fit well in a land of lies, spin, and permanent
campaigning. And by the way, before the ad hominem attacks come in,
I'll state that if you knew my positions on various issues, you would
have a very hard time categorizing me as liberal or conservative.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: John Garner - IvyTech
Date: 11-01-04 12:10
Dear "PSYCHOLOGIST"
Do you have a REAL name?
Please, let us know, O.K.? E-mail me, we can correspond.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You state...
"Academics are, as a group, one of the most, if not the most,
intelligent and highly educated groups of people in the society. In
theory, if not always in practice, they are committed to seeking and
imparting truth and knowledge."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ah, I hate to be the one to tell you this but academics who are NOT in
the so-called "Hard Sciences" use a process officially called
"Persuasive Research" all the time.
Persuasive Research is where you do your research to support you
premise and you only use data in your argument or research that
supports your premise.
The rationalization is that this is how progress is made. Of course,
this is a hard sell to the Life Sciences, Chemistry, Physics and even
some of the Psychology crowd, but only if they have been associated
with those academics who are not in the disciplines who accept this
sort of research. This sort of research is a mainstay of academe in
some disciplines. I might add that some of is is pretty well done, also.
So, dear Psychologist friend and colleague, you see that there IS a
possiblility that a certain amount of Liberal bias exists in some areas
of academe, but not in other areas. In fact, it is just the luck of the
draw so to speak, because with this persuasive research, you can be
whatever you want to be. It would also be possible to have a
Conservative bias if you build discipline on persuasive research
methods. With this system you can choose your bias or choose not to be
biased. Call it a "bias du jour", if you will. As you well know, human
behavior is only predictable statistically. It is impossible to predict
if academe will move to the right or even further to the left in the
future.
Statistically, like it or not, good or bad, right or wrong, there is a
Liberal lean to academe. Perhaps this is a good thing or perhaps not.
Also, I might make a comment in passing that business people tend to
lean to the Conservative side. So, just as there is a tendancy of hard
science folk to either be atheist or to handle their science in a
different manner than their religion, there is a tendancy to be Liberal
if you are a social science academic.
Those are the facts.
They kind of separate the NASTY Bush Republicans from the HARRI Kerry Democrats.
Psychologist
Author: Historian
Date: 11-02-04 13:17
Re:
After all, we have a president who wasn't elected, who presides over
the most dishonest and inept administration ever, whose policies have
been disastrous, but who still might be reelected.
Dear Michael,
It is awkward when you take the position that academics may well be
liberal because they're highly educated and intelligent, then exhibit a
poor knowledge of elementary history and civics. Bush was elected. All
recounts showed that he won in Florida. The margin was small (500+
votes) but always in his favor. Within our system one can lose the
popular vote, secure the 270 electoral college votes required and still
be elected. The fact that the election was taken to the courts does not
change the fact that he won. The charge that he 'stole' the election is
not supported by facts. Similarly, the charge that a million African
Americans were disenfranchised is simply false. No evidence of a single
case of disenfranchisement was ever adduced and one of the
investigative bodies (the Civil Rights Commission) was presided over by
Mary Berry, a strongly partisan democrat. The precincts that were the
cause of the democrats' concerns were supervised (overwhelmingly) by
democrats. The systems that were challenged had been in place for 20
years and no concerns were expressed when those systems yielded
victories on two occasions for Bill Clinton.
Whether Bush's administration is the most corrupt and inept in history
is certainly open to debate. You might want to read about the Grant and
Harding administrations, e.g. "Inept" can mean a number of things; the
left characteristically accuses the current administration of mendacity
rather than ineptness. In that connection you might want to review
David Halberstam's account of the Tonkin Gulf resolution, how it was
obtained, what the president knew and when he knew it, and the role of
his secretary of defense in that process. At last count the number of
American troops killed in Vietnam exceeds that in Iraq by a factor of
55 to 1.
What your letter suggests, in fact, is not that academics are more
intelligent and more highly educated, but rather that they are capable
of parroting partisan commonplaces despite their education and
intelligence. It also suggests a capacity for ignorance and
exaggeration that should not, one would hope, be a characteristic of an
educated person.
p.s. When you give the Chronicle your email address you sacrifice the
anonymity which you have apparently sought. Have a nice day in the
office of psychological services.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Tim Harris, Eastern KY Uni.
Date: 11-05-04 15:04
To: Psychologist
You said:
"After all, we have a president who wasn't elected, who presides over
the most dishonest and inept administration ever, whose policies have
been disastrous, but who still might be reelected. So maybe academics
don't belong in Washington. Knowledge and facts don't fit well in a
land of lies, spin, and permanent campaigning."
As an historian of America, I must say that you have not read the
U.S. Constitution lately. Our president, whether you like it or not,
was LEGALLY and constitutionally elected in 2000 and again in 2004. As
many in the future confederacy viewed President Lincoln immediately
preceding the Civil War, he, too, was elected in a the manner dictated
by the Constitution of the United States.
Of course, many in the southern states didn't accept his election as
"legal." Like it or not, you cannot rewrite the Constitution and
history, too. President Bush is and always was the legally elected
President of the United States. Plus, there were three elections during
the 19th century (Jefferson vs Adams, Jackson vs John Q. Adams, and
President Cleveland's defeat in which the winner did not obtain the the
majority of the popular vote.
Here are some undeniable facts about liberal academe and those who
can't get over the counter-culture of the 60's to realize that
President Reagan did, indeed, initiate a political realignment in favor
of conservatism.
I think the best way to answer you is to quote from Anne Coulter's new book _How To Talk To A Liberal: If You Must.
Here are some of her main points when it comes to liberals:
1.) Liberal academics have the absolute CONVICTION that there is one
set of rules for you, and another, completely different set of rules
for everyone else.
2.) Teddy Kennedy crawls out of Boston Harbor with a quart of Scotch in
one pocket and a pair of pantyhose in the other, and Democrats hail him
as their party's spiritual leader.
3.) Want to make liberals angry? Defend the United States.
4.) In a public setting, liberals will work themselves into a
dervish-like trance and start incanting inanities: "Bush lied, kids
died!" "Rascist!" "Fascist!" "Fire Rumsfeld!" "HALLIBURTON!!"
5.) Liberals are full of conspiracy theories. They tend to invoke weird
PERSONAL OBSESSIONS like a conversational deux ex machina to trump all
the facts. You think you're talking about the war in Iraq and suddenly
you start getting a disquisition on Nixon, oil, the neo-conservatives,
and Vietnam!
6.) Liberals have a finite number of memorized talking points, which they often try to shoehorn into unrelated events.
7.) Worst of all, the biggest impediment to arguing with a liberal is
the simple fact that most refuse to argue! Liberals' battle of wits is
to say "Bush lied!" in front of an adoring brain washed audience and be
wildly applauded for their "courage."
I am 31 years old and consider most professional historians to be a
disgrace to their profession because they tow the liberal party line
rather than teach "facts" or listen to opposing viewpoints.
President Bush is the man who wakes up each morning and had the
sole responsibility to keep all Americans safe...this includes the
anti-American academics who, if they lived in the beloved Stalinist
dreamworld, would never have the chance to voice even ONE opinion!
I say, if you don't like our system, then I'd bet the North Korean
army is hiring. If you hate our good president so much then move on in
to your land of "equality."
You're just another brainwashed liberal.
T. H.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Psychologist
Date: 11-05-04 19:52
Guess what, TH, my son is a senior at the U.S. Naval Academy and I
am extremely proud of him. I believe he and his classmates will do an
excellent job of defending our nation and the right of people like you
to spout drivel. He could very well put his life on the line to defend
our nation. Just curious, did you ever serve?
Interesting reading your screed. From a psychological perspective, it
is filled with the mechanism of projection: accusing someone else of
that of which you are guilty. This is a traditional right wing ploy.
And by the way, neither you nor Historian has addressed the rather
tongue in cheek point I made in my original post, if in fact you even
understand what it was.
Finally, I already predicted that ad hominem attacks would come and
mentioned that I cannot be categorized as liberal or conservative. I am
not a liberal and I am not a conservative. In fact, the notion of some
unidimensional political spectrum is nonsense, or more precisely,
propaganda. Both political parties in our dysfunctional political
environment need to create an "us vs. them" environment so that the
voters won't realize that neither party is addressing the truly major
challenges facing us.
Jeesh, I can't believe I went and took the bait again. Time to go coach some kids and get back to what matters.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Benjamin.Nweke(literal analyst
Date: 11-06-04 15:03
The truth is that as politicians vie for their posts through
peoples votes (either the trust is valued on the majority of the
electorate) the presidential appointees has to retain some evidence of
trust on the electorate.Hence, the ballot box is not involved this time
rather the peoples opinion is expressed through their elected
representatives.
The process is the problem but the appearing before the senate
committee should not be adjudged as a delay(as such questioning is very
necessary) In the case where official custom issue is being used as a
tactice or a draw back process lacks substance.
As the government ,senate know that their actions is reflected on
the level or response the academics conducts in relation with their
calls,and a fith of the total calls turns down the request, there is
every need for reconsideration to take place not necessarily to
discontinue the process but to remove questions that does not make
provisions for direct implications like in Mr Helms and Dam tussle in
the senate.
In all one should think that any device taken should always ensure
that the trust of the electorate representatives are maintianed if not
the trust of the electorate on the president slides to the list
informing the consideration for a change.
Benjamin.Nweke
(lagos-nigeria)
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Tim Harris
Date: 11-08-04 13:19
To: Psychologist
Yes Sir, I did serve. I was in the army for a 3-year enlistment.
However, I do want to point out that I NEVER saw combat and I do not
consider myself (in the military world) equal to those who are
currently liberating Fallujah, Iraq.
Although, sir, you "anticipated" my response, you still did not
answer the points I included regarding the manner in which liberals
respond. I would like to read your answers to Ms. Coulter's points
regarding liberals that I included in my previous message.
You might not consider yourself a "liberal." Yet, any person who
brands our president as having secured an "illegitimate" victory in
2000 is, well, ignorant of the United States Constitution the many
presidential elections in the 19th century that were decided by
extremely close margins.
In your message you did not mention a single reason why, based
upon your previous messages, you shoudn't be considered a liberal.
Now, is "liberal" a bad thing. No. However, as someone who served
(did you...congrats to your offspring, but I'm speaking of yourself),
did you ever slip on a combat boot?
When you made the completely irrational comment in a previous
message that President Bush was, in your obviously uneducated opinion,
an "illegitimate president," you showed your true colors.
You should have the courage to decide whether you're a Republican
or Democrat. It is quite difficult to be a true "Independent" in our
current political system.
Your response, or might I emphasize, LACK of responses, to the
several points I made in my previous post about narrow-minded liberals,
such as yourself, who claim absolute knowledge of what is "right."
Finally, Mr. Psychologist, if you're such a wonderful scholar, why
aren't you a REAL doctor, that is, an M.D. psychiatrist and not a
"can't make it in medical school" wanna-be doctor, psychologist?
It has been fun sparring with a mind as narrow as yours. But,
other duties call. I bid you adieu. I shan't check the posts to read
your liberal, socialist drivel any longer. Good luck with coaching the
kids.
They are more on your liberal intellectual level.
T.H.
P.S. Since your identity is not concealed, you're welcome to send your
illogical, liberal, anti-Bush, anti-American, thoughts to my private
Email. I welcome them.
If you're such a patriot, sir, why not visit your local VA and
spout your anti-war nonsense there. You'll see that once removed from a
college campus, your thoughts do not match those of the majority of
Americans.
After all, President Bush won a second term in the most fair and
balanced manner. All, of course, to the chagrin of liberals nationwide.
Geez, I'm so glad to see Democrats whine and cry.
Again, if you wish to respond then do so to my private Email. The
forum shouldn't be filled with posts attacking individuals on a
personal level.
T.H.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: 'Nother Historian
Date: 11-08-04 13:29
Tim Harris makes some good points, but I think quoting Anne Coulter
is a bit over the top. Let's face it; there are closed minded
individuals on both the left and the right. The right in this country
wants to make believe there is big liberal boogey man who controls all
thought in this country; all thought except for those brave
conservatives who dare to be counter-cultural.
If this election illustrated anything, it is that the big, liberal
boogey man is a myth. Moreover, try talking to some conservatives. You
will get the much the same ideological rigidity, but it will be an "I
am right and my positions are so right they cannot even be argued with
and if you do you hate America" sort of mentality.
Liberals who hold such positions are rapidly going extinct like the
dinosaurs. They are being replaced by mamals who are better suited to
the current environment, more numerous, and just as rigid. I think Anne
Coulter is strong proof of that.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Psychologist
Date: 11-08-04 15:29
Tim,
-Never used the term "illegitimate" regarding Bush. Please don't make up quotes.
-Never said I was an Independent. I've been a registered voter with one of the two major parties my entire adult life.
-Never wanted to be a physician and don't consider myself to be a doctor, real or otherwise.
-Never claimed to be a scholar. I'm a practicing clinician.
-Socialist? Anti-war? Where?
-I worked for a year in a VA hospital. Have great respect for the folks who served.
-Never claimed to know what's right about everything. I leave that to ideologues of all stripes.
-You would prefer to keep personal attacks out of this forum. Me too.
You've been spewing some pretty nasty and completely unsupported
personal attacks at me, so why don't you stop?
-My two biggest complaints about Bush/Cheney are that they lie
repeatedly and that they are incompetent. That's not an ideological
critique. They also are anything but conservative. How does this brand
me as liberal? I had the same complaints about Lyndon Johnson and his
administration's conduct of the Vietnam War.
-You haven't been sparring with me. You've been sparring with a pathetic series of straw men. This has been fun, though.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Jgarner
Date: 11-10-04 08:58
Correction...
"Liberals who hold such positions are rapidly going extinct like the
dinosaurs. They are being replaced by mamals who are better suited to
the current environment, more numerous, and just as rigid. I think Anne
Coulter is strong proof of that."
Science has found thanks to scientists like Luis Alverez that
the dinosaurs became extinct because of a collision of the Earth with
an asteroid. So, this makes the mammals mere opportunists, not
successors.
Please, in the future, for the sake of Conservative America, choose your analogies more carefully, O.K.?
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: Metaphor, not analogy
Date: 11-12-04 12:49
You are right; dinosaurs are a bad analogy. However, they are good metaphor.
As someone who holds some liberal views and some conservative views, I
see myself as completely objective in this. Liberal ideas as they once
existed are the possession of an increasingly smaller segment of the
population.
Re: No welcome in Washington
Author: jgarner
Date: 11-16-04 15:06
Metaphor, not analogy...
Point well taken.
Politics in America seems to swing like a pendulum through Liberal and
Conservative ideology athough it seemingly defies mathematical or
physical prediction. I believe that is because the swing is dampened by
the issues of safety, security and Civil Liberty.
Maybe at some future time we will get Liberal again in politics inthe
majority, but I would not place all of my faith in that prediction.
Some incredible violation in Civil Liberties will have to occur first
to make us remember that loss of Civil Liberty can be just as serious
as terrorism and have just as dire of a set of consequences.