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A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Chronicle Moderator
Date: 10-29-04 13:28
TIAA-CREF has long dominated the pension market in higher
education, but in recent years it has faced challenges from other
financial-services companies eager for colleges' retirement business.
TIAA has responded by opening many new offices, broadening its customer
service, and expanding its product line to include life insurance,
mutual funds, and IRA's. The latest venture has been the most
aggressive marketing blitz the staid company has ever mounted, at a
cost of tens of millions of dollars. Does TIAA's financial performance
for its investors justify the hoopla? Are you happy with how TIAA has
managed your retirement dollars? Do you feel that TIAA's ad campaign is
a good use of its money? Read more...
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Joe, Assoc. VP, JSU
Date: 11-01-04 10:04
I can understand the push for new customers, because the old
customers have watched their accounts tank in recent years and no
longer fully trust TIAA/ CREF's ability to grow portfolios.
Consistently over the past four years I have seen every penny that I
put into my account enter into the "minus" column, so that my account
barely keeps up with the amount the company contributes. Where is the
growth that will lead to my ability to retire? I hope those considering
joining TIAA/ CREF will think twice. For now, I am stuck with it!
TIAA-CREF has been great
Author: Maggie Smith-lopez, PhD
Date: 11-01-04 10:23
Over the last ten years I have established a rather large portfolio
where my employer has contributed twice what I have. The returns from
TIAA-CREF have averaged three times the inflation rate.
My money has been well served by being a member of TIAA-CREf.
Just the opposite can be said for the money I have wasted over the
years (let me repeat that. wasted over the years) in the leftist AAUP.
They just negotiated a contract with my university where we don't get
any raise for the next two years. Oh, but they did resolve that
contentious issue of parking for adjunct faculty. (Whew. I was staying
up nights over that one.)
Bottom line. If I didn't have TIAA-CREF I wouldn't be saving for my
retirement. The AAUP doesn't do squat with respect to salary
negotiations. The AAUP is the quickest way to financial ruin.
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Tim Henrich, Professor
Date: 11-01-04 10:30
I have always received good services from TIAA-CREF and I have been
a member since 1992. It is easy to move one's money between accounts. I
follow the economy carefully amd was able to move out of Equities and
into TIPS, Real Estate and Guaranteed Income in March of 2000 which
saved me a large portion of my portfolio. About a year and a half ago I
redistributed the money from these funds into a more balanced approach.
It was easy and there was no one preaching to me about how to handle my
investments no "dollar cost averaging" line or anything like that.
Dollar cost averaging might be a good way to think of saving but as far
as the math goes it is about the same as 2+2=4.
Just looking at Vanguard investments, the company offers the best deals
in terms of expenses and a lot of choices. If they became affiliated
with our University retirement plans there would be a lot of choices
and a lot of confusion.
If TIAA-CREF expenses increase to support the bureaucrats I would
probably roll over into Vanguard when I retire in about 12 years. That
would cut my average expenses nearly in half and projection wise it
would save me about 2000 dollars per year. Hiring more administrators
has never provided solutions to any educational or corporate problems
just more money diverted upwardly.
Tim Henrich, Ph.D.
Professor of Kinesiology
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Skye Dent/UConn
Date: 11-01-04 13:21
I've only been with TIAA-CREF for a year and have seen my money go
down a lot in just one year. What bothers me most is that I moved my
pension funds from my old school pension program to T-C. But, my
sister, who understand these financial matters better than I do, says
that all stocks are going down as a result of the economy, the war,
governmental policies, etc and so for now, I should just leave my funds
where they are. I'm not sure.
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Michael B. Horwitz
Date: 11-01-04 16:43
I am a fee-only financial planner and investment advisor whose
clients have authorized to view/trade their TIAA-CREF accounts.
TIAA-CREF really is a company that deserves to wear a white hat in the
financial products industry since its founding due to its not for
profit, research based, low expense approach. However, my take on the
company is that they will continue to lose market share among their
primary target market for two reasons. One, as an asset allocator I
can't really get the diversification I need with their retirement
annuity offerings (e.g., no pure international or small cap offerings).
I try to build around the limitations of the investment choices in an
employer's retirement plan for all of my clients. But, alas, for many
college personnel, they have no other substantial savings other than
TIAA-CREF. Secondly, the Fidelity's and AIGVALICS of the world have
armies of salespeople in one guise or another. TIAA-CREF's direct
marketing and "retirement counselors" who visit campuses are no match.
If TIAA-CREF wants to compete more effectively and provide better
services to their shareholders, it needs to broaden the investment
options in the retirement annuities and enlist a cadre of fee only
advisors who can objectively evaluate participants true needs and
recommend comprehensive solutions.
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Frank H. PATTERSON / Unaffilia
Date: 11-02-04 11:34
Thanks for those who are raising this issue.
There is a place for TIAA/CREF to support cultural affairs, such
as local public radio (and other things that indirectly benefit
participants, but don't immediately come to mind).
But the current campaign strikes me as a misappropriation of my assets.
What are they trying to SELL?
If the goal of marketing is "To cause the public to dislike you
for the right reasons", then it misses the mark. But we participants
have reason for our dislikes!
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Prof. Emerit. Allan, CGU
Date: 11-02-04 17:50
My observations support and expand upon the earlier comments by Michael B. Horwitz.
I am an early retiree. About a year ago I moved 60% of my CREF portfolio to Vanguard, for three reasons:
1) Vanguard offers a greater diversity of funds (e.g., short term bond funds, pure international stock funds)
2) Vanguard's expenses are about half those of CREF
3) Vanguard's funds generally track their targets better than do CREF's
funds (especially its index funds and its inflation linked bond fund).
I left 40% of the CREF portfolio intact for two reasons:
1) CREF is less restrictive than Vanguard in its policies regarding
transfers between its funds, making it easier to rebalance the portfolio
2) If I should decide to convert my funds to a payout annuity, and if
TIAA-CREF's terms are better than its competitors, I will already have
an account with the organization.
With the news of the recent changes by TIAA-CREF, I'm considering an
additional transfer to Vanguard. I am unconvinced by the argument that
TIAA-CREF needs to expand to remain competitive. A pension fund doesn't
need an asset base as large as TIAA-CREF's $300+ billion to manage its
accounts well and to provide quality service to its clients. A growing
asset base could be used, however, to justify--or even to increase--the
multi-million dollar salary package enjoyed by the TIAA-CREF's chief
executive.
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Tim Henrich
Date: 11-03-04 19:38
Looks like a few people are weighing in on the issue of the TIAA-CREF bureaucratic expansion. Anyone else concerned?
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Make TIAA CREF Ethical
Date: 11-04-04 21:08
FOR IMMEDIATE PUBLICATION
International Coalition for Human and Workers rights meets Investment Giant
A commission from the international coalition for human and workers
rights made up of The US Campaign for Burma * Infact * International
Tibet Independence Movement * Press for Change * Social Choice for
Social Change * Students for a Free Tibet * U.S. Tibet Committee *
World Bank Bonds Boycott* and Frente Civico met with representatives of
the TIAA-CREF investment fund that manages nearly 320 billion dollars
at its Manhattan Headquarters.
It was agreed that there would be further discussions as a result of the exchange.
Among the issues raised were the following:
If TIAA-CREF is to maintain high moral standing, it must be vigilant of
the behavior of ALL of its participating companies that it invests in.
It was requested that TIAA-CREF ask all participating companies to
contact governments of countries where they are active in order to
assure that LABOR conditions are protected.
HUMAN RIGHTS of all generations must be a priority for investment
firms. Within this framework, it has been requested that it press for
the closing of a Costco warehouse in Mexico, after the company
destroyed a 3200 year old archeological site and historical icon -
Casino de la Selva(www.laneta.apc.org/procasino).
For further information please contact Jeff Ballinger at (905)5259140 ext. 5849
The representatives from the coalition were Dennis Brutus, Scott
Wilson from Christian Brothers Investments, Jeff Ballinger and Jaime
Lagunez.
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Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Tim Buchman, Asst Prof '74-'81
Date: 11-05-04 11:42
Could you elaborate on your statement that Vanguard is
lower-expense than TIAA-CREF? For twenty or more years, the CREF Stock
Fund had expenses of 0.32%. After a spike higher, they are now around
0.40%. In fact, I've attended the last two CREF Annual Meetings to
complain about increased expenses. So don't mistake me for someone
blindly defending TIAA-CREF.
The cheapest Vanguard *variable annuity* product (which is an index
fund) has total expenses (including an expense insurance which CREF
doesn't offer) of 0.50%. If you're comparing one 403(b) product to
another, CREF still wins, but barely. And one could argue that the
expense insurance is a valuable feature. But the fund objectives are
not precisely the same.
You may (perhaps) also be comparing CREF funds that are benchmarked to
an index with Vanguards famously inexpensive *retail index* funds.
Since the CREF Stock Fund aims to modestly beat their benchmark, this
comparison is not entirely fair. And it is true that it costs more to
administer a variable annuity than a regular mutual fund. You also have
to compare costs at retirement income time.
That said, I resent CREF's defense that the increased costs are due to
stock market declines. As I said in my speech in Charlotte, "...Net
Assets for the Stock Account were about 99 Billion dollars in December
2003. At that time, the expense ratio was 52 basis points, the highest
ever. However, the Net Assets were also $99 Billion in December 2001
and in December 1997. In those years, expenses were 41 and 31 basis
points. "
I'm preparing a longer post for this group, but in the meantime you might care to visit my site on this topic,
http://crefwatch.home.att.net/ . I need to update the charts with the
third quarter 2004 data, but my arguments are still valid.
Participant since 1976, Amherst College, Lincoln Center, City Center Theater
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Tim Buchman Asst Prof '74-81
Date: 11-05-04 12:01
>One, as an asset allocator I can't really get
> the diversification I need with their retirement annuity
> offerings (e.g., no pure international or small cap
> offerings).
I respect the fact that many investors feel more comfortable with a
paid planner to help them. In the old days, TIAA-CREF provided so much
more advice than the other companies, faculty and staff felt
comfortable in their warm embrace!
Forgive me if it sounds aggressive, but don't you mean (in the quote
above) that you can't exercise (and display) the judgement your clients
are paying for? The CREF Stock Fund has over 10% international
exposure, which might be quite appropriate for many investors. But it's
not a fundamental policy, nor is it "rebalanced" in the way it can be
when you select a pure international fund for your clients.
I admit, I'm 53, and I remember when there were only two TIAA-CREF
choices. But it's fair to say that many clients might still be
well-served (and "for free") by a 50% TIAA Traditional - 50% CREF Stock
Fund allocation. But it leaves one little to talk about at cocktail
parties. (I'm talking about a 30 to 40-year horizon, of course.)
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Who's to say . . .
Date: 11-05-04 13:07
Dear Make TIAA CREF Ethical,
As long as TIAA CREF is not doing anything illegal, I'm comfortable
with their investments. They have a special iinvestment option (I think
it's called Social Choice, but I'm not positive) for those such as you
who are especially concerned about what you may deem to be ethical
issues. I want them to be competitive investors so I can grow my money.
There is no bright line when it comes to ethical and social issues, and
what's slop to one might be soup to another.
Make TIAA CREF Ethical wrote:
> FOR IMMEDIATE PUBLICATION
>
>
> International Coalition for Human and Workers rights meets
> Investment Giant
>
> A commission from the international coalition for human and
> workers rights made up of The US Campaign for Burma * Infact *
> International Tibet Independence Movement * Press for Change *
> Social Choice for Social Change * Students for a Free Tibet *
> U.S. Tibet Committee * World Bank Bonds Boycott* and Frente
> Civico met with representatives of the TIAA-CREF investment
> fund that manages nearly 320 billion dollars at its Manhattan
> Headquarters.
>
> It was agreed that there would be further discussions as a
> result of the exchange.
>
> Among the issues raised were the following:
>
> If TIAA-CREF is to maintain high moral standing, it must be
> vigilant of the behavior of ALL of its participating companies
> that it invests in.
>
> It was requested that TIAA-CREF ask all participating
> companies to contact governments of countries where they are
> active in order to assure that LABOR conditions are protected.
>
>
> HUMAN RIGHTS of all generations must be a priority for
> investment firms. Within this framework, it has been requested
> that it press for the closing of a Costco warehouse in Mexico,
> after the company destroyed a 3200 year old archeological site
> and historical icon - Casino de la
> Selva(www.laneta.apc.org/procasino).
>
> For further information please contact Jeff Ballinger at
> (905)5259140 ext. 5849
>
> The representatives from the coalition were Dennis Brutus,
> Scott Wilson from Christian Brothers Investments, Jeff
> Ballinger and Jaime Lagunez.
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Affirmative action and civil rights complete. Now it's time for minority welfare
Author: Tyrone Horowitz
Date: 11-06-04 00:01
As a half jig and half jew I can say that any free money is a good thing, just so long as I can keep evading tax.
Shalom out!
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: ben.nweke(literal analyst)
Date: 11-06-04 14:53
The truth is that as politicians vie for their posts through
peoples votes (either the trust is valued on the majority of the
electorate) the presidential appointees has to retain some evidence of
trust on the electorate.Hence, the ballot box is not involved this time
rather the peoples opinion is expressed through their elected
representatives.
The process is the problem but the appearing before the senate
committee should not be adjudged as a delay(as such questioning is very
necessary) In the case where official custom issue is being used as a
tactice or a draw- back process lacks substance.
As the government ,senate know that their actions is reflected on
the level of responses the academics conducts in relation with their
calls, and a fith of the total calls turns down the request there is
every need for reconsideration to take place not necessarily to
discontinue the process but to remove questions that does not make
provisions for direct implications like in Mr Helms and Dam tussle in
the senate.
In all one should think that any device taken should always ensure
that the trust of the electorate representatives are maintianed if not
the trust of the electorate on the president slides to the list
informing the consideration for a change.
Benjamin.Nweke
(lagos-nigeria)
Re: A pension giant invests in an ad blitz
Author: Timothy Buchman
Date: 11-06-04 21:08
Thanks for the Vanguard information. That's an impressive expense
ratio, but Vanguard is famous for their low-cost fixed-income funds.
And Target Retirement 2015 (is that the name you meant?) is 52% bonds
right now.
So it would be fairer to compare your suggestion with 50% CREF
Stock and 50% TIAA Traditional. But ... and this is a crucial
distinction in what can be expected (forward-looking statement !) to be
a rising interest-rate environment: TIAA Traditional is not a bond
fund, it's a Guaranteed Investment Contract. It's designed to preserve
principal. That's a good reason for it to cost more and deliver less
than some bond funds.
Furthermore, the stock content of that Vanguard fund is 100%
indexed. CREF stock funds are more actively managed, which costs more.
Yes, they *can* miss their goal of modestly outperforming their
benchmark. But an index fund has no hope of declining less than its'
benchmark in a down year!
Look at it this way (as should Mr. Dent, who's using a one-year
record to evaluate an entire fund family). Amherst College and I put
$4,963 in my account from 1976 to 1979. (My starting salary was $11,000
in 1974.) New statistics from TIAA-CREF's web site (that means I
haven't evaluated their new "Basis" reporting) suggests that my annual
return has been around 12%, yielding $88,420 today.
To repeat, I'm suspicious of "the new" TIAA-CREF. But they've done
well for me so far. That's why I have four other accounts there.
Of course no one can assure that *any* investment will do that well
in the future. And no one can promise that CREF (or Vanguard) will not
change their costs in the future. But you can't make a lifetime
decision on one year's data.
Betting the Company
Author: Tim Buchman
Date: 11-07-04 19:49
I regret referring to Modernista (TIAA-CREF's new advertising
agency) as "edgy" in my speech at the 2003 CREF meeting. I was quoting
a Slate article (1), but the ads they've produced are anything but
edgy. And I hate the use of Bernstein's song, "Somewhere". I can see
some 20-something "Creative" at the presentation easel, humming the
first line. But he's too young to have ever seen the show. He doesn't
know it's a tragedy, and Tony is dying in Maria's arms as she sings the
reprise.
The TV ads (with expensive placements and lots of airplay) are as
stodgy as anything we had before. I rather like a stodgy image, but if
we're fighting for our corporate lives, how can you pay for a new
campaign that doesn't compete with Fidelity appeals to glamor and
greed? The messages on this board indicate that T-C does "look" behind
the times.
Every time I read about the bicycle team, I think of "Enron Field",
or "HealthSouth Stadium". And I also think of the lucrative for-profit
spin-offs at Minnesota Public Radio. But the question really is, should
a non-profit be funding other non-profits beyond its' specific mission?
The announcement of the new agency came as part of a tumultuous
Fall, 2003 for TIAA-CREF. The first NY Times headline was "TIAA-CREF
Lays Off 8% of Workers in Overhaul"(2). This was followed by the
advertising review (3), and the selection of Modernista (4). A few days
later, Long-Term Care policyholders learned that their product was
being sold to Met Life (5). I had recently told my mother to get her
LTC-insurance from TIAA-CREF over AARP, because I trusted them more!
All of this was part of Herbert Allison's overhaul, described in a
CREF Annual Meeting handout titled "Decisions 2003". There were also
press releases on that topic. Because it's all part of the same
package, here are some significant quotes from the handout:
"For at least the next 3 years, our core market will comprise the
institutions... employees and families, within: Higher Education,
Private K-12, Research and other education-related not-for-profits,
Hospitals. We aspire to be the unquestioned market leader in our core
market." ... [to be achieved by ...] ...
"Identifying and delivering the highest-value products and
services, whatever their source (with 'value' defined as the
relationship between the extent to which our products and services
satisfy expectations for a given risk and return profile, and the price
our customers pay).
"Ensuring an economically vibrant TIAA-CREF, with unsurpassed
staying power, that will be there to meet their need over the long
term."
That's only a small part of the document, but it puts the
advertising campaign in the context of major changes. Are they the
right changes? That's a matter of opinion, and it helps to decide
whether you're in favor of change, in favor of the status quo, or just
plain suspicious, as I am.
There is some basis for the opinion that the past management of
TIAA-CREF allowed the company to become complacent and bloated with
staff. If you agree, the conclusion is inescapable that something
drastic had to be done. Is our huge company in danger of ending up in a
stagnant backwater of the financial services business? Is Fidelity
going to eat our lunch, even though they have much higher costs than
Vanguard? (Remember, to a great extent, we participants own TIAA-CREF.)
I used to work for two different non-profits that used a
not-for-profit 403(b) company with the word Mutual in its' name. I
rolled my money over to TIAA-CREF when I realized that the little
annuity company was charging me well over 1.4% annually. (That number
is over 12 years old, and I don't remember the exact value.) Although
it's still active, that company could be said to have fallen into the
shadows of the giants. And there's no doubt that increased size reduces
costs. (Although, see (6) for an illuminating discussion of size and
cost!) At that time, the CREF Stock Fund cost 0.32%, and less in some
years.
I complained to CREF about opening expensive regional offices,
which began with Princeton and New Haven. After all, TIAA-CREF used to
be famous for its' telephone and brochure support. And Internet
management of an account is even cheaper. Allison answered that when
TIAA-CREF people go out to campuses, they're always asked, "Hey,
Fidelity just opened an office out at the mall. When are you going to
open one?". I had, I'm ashamed to say, a New York-centric view of the
problem. I can't argue with those costs anymore. It's really true that
a lot of investors want someone to hold their hand.
My concern about the advertising campaign is that it's vastly
expensive by itself, and it's part of a plan to, in effect, bet the
company on the "Decisions 2003". Note in the quotes above, "For at
least the next 3 years", and "...whatever the source". To me, those
phrases mean, respectively, 'if we can make it work', and 'we'll pay
some big guys to sell their stuff to customers who think our offerings
are wimpy'. That's my opinion, of course.
If you think we're in a position like Boeing vs. Airbus, or
AT&T versus new technology, you may feel that desperate measures
are called for.
But what happens if the campaign fails? I think it's possible that
TIAA-CREF could ask the New York State Legislature for permission to
convert to a stock corporation. That's what Blue Cross-Blue Shield has
done in many states. And it's similar to the legion of mutual life
insurance companies that have de-mutualized. The state legislatures are
eager to convert wealthy not-for-profits (although the BC/BS scheme
failed in North Carolina, for one) because it's a huge source of state
cash, without taxes! In every case, competition and capital access are
the reasons given, but I believe the real motivation is the proverbial
"brass ring" for the corporate officers: Stock options and restricted
stock awards. If you think this is far-fetched, recall that the Mutual
of New York officers did well twice, once when they converted from
policyholder ownership, and again when AXA bought the new stock
company.
I know that sounds paranoid. But CREF has considered changing its'
corporate form before. But the plan was beaten back (7), by our own
interest groups. And if you think about it, Allison is just the guy to
do this. He's a major Wall Street figure, and (because I've heard them
speak about their hiring decision), the Board has absolute confidence
in him (8). If this marketing scheme fails, he's not going to get
fired. He's going to be given a mandate to "Merrilize"(9) the company.
Do not think that I find no redeeming features in Herbert Allison.
There are worse guys to have in charge. Others have told me that he's
much more personable and willing to debate an issue than the previous
President. He's been a statesman: When Long-Term Capital collapsed, he
was one of five executives called to the New York Fed's dining room to
work out a solution (10). But he's also been the President of a
full-service, full-cost brokerage/investment bank. In fairness, when
Business Week asked him about going public, he said (11),
"Being a not-for-profit is an advantage here, and I felt that
before. If you look at financial services in the U.S., I think the
stars are aligning around a concept such as TIAA-CREF after many years.
And I'm not changing the basic concept. It's a real advantage because
of the trust it engenders in those we serve."
But I've spent most of my career at not-for-profits. He hasn't. And
if the advertising campaign fails, that quote does not rule out a
conversion. So I'm working on a proxy proposal to require a
super-majority for a change in the form of business.
Timothy Buchman
Participant at Amherst College, Lincoln Center, and NY City Center Theater.
(1) http://slate.msn.com/id/2091321/
(2) NY Times, "TIAA-CREF Lays Off 8% of Workers ...", September 23, 2003.
(3) NY Times, "...Cuts Review to 3 Finalists", October 9, 2003.
(4) NY Times, "Modernista Chosen ...", November 11, 2003.
(5) TIAA-CREF letter to policyholders, "Re: Sale of TIAA-CREF's
Long-Term Care Insurance Business to MetLife. November 20, 2003.
(6) http://www.economicprincipals.com/issues/04.01.25.html .
(7) [1989 SEC LEXIS 1606] and [1989 SEC LEXIS 1605].
(8) http://www.aaup.org/statements/SpchState/tiaacref.htm .
(9) http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_41/b3853118_mz020.htm .
(10) NY Times, "A Legendary Trader Reaches Out", September 27, 1998.
(11) http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/03_41/b3853121_mz020.htm?chan=mz&
Additional references at:
http://home.att.net/~crefwatch/bibliog.htm
and
http://crefwatch.home.att.net/
Two trustees resign
Author: Tim Buchman
Date: 12-05-04 15:58
You may have read that one member of the CREF board, and one member
of the TIAA board resigned, effective last week. It turns out that,
since August, 2003, they were doing business (throught an entity they
formed) with a unit of our (TIAA-CREF's) "independent" auditor, Ernst
and Young.
Each participant can form his own opinion on this unpleasant
matter. I've listed some references below. I also refer you to page
B-30 of CREF's "Statement of Additional Information." Appendix A quotes
TIAA-CREF's Policy Statement on Corporate Governance. This
ground-breaking document is also available at
http://www.tiaa-cref.org/pubs/html/governance_policy/index.html .
Under "Board of Directors, A. Board Membership", it states,
"...the definition of independence should extend beyond that
incorporated in amended listing standards of the exchanges. We believe
independence means that a director and his or her immediate family have
no present or former employment with the company, nor any substantial
connection of a personal or financial nature (other than equity in the
company or equivalent stake) to the company or its management that
could in fact or in appearance compromise the director’s objectivity
and loyalty to shareholders. To be independent, the director must not
provide, or be affiliated with any organization that provides goods or
services for the company if a reasonable, disinterested observer could
consider the relationship substantial."
Whether or not you agree with the press release's statement that,
"Professor Ross and Mr. Waltrip said that neither was aware that this
business relationship raised an issue under the SEC’s auditor
independence standards", you might ask yourself whether they should
have considered our own company's standards.
First News Item:
Weil, Jonathan and Lublin, Joann S. "Venture Snares TIAA-CREF, Ernst", The Wall Street Journal, December 3, 2004
Other Articles:
(Time-limited free access to NY Times.com articles)
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-TIAA-CREF-Trustees.html
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/enf/rss.asp?guid=%7BE4295262-4DB4-46A5-8594-970A4203C5BE%7D&dist=rss&siteid=mktw
http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/03/funds/tiaa_cref.reut/
TIAA-CREF Press Release:
(not yet on the TIAA-CREF web site ... ...)
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/946155/000093041304005594/c34636_ex99-1.htm
Re: Two trustees resign
Author: Tim Buchman
Date: 12-08-04 11:50
For the sake of completeness, I want to post a reference to the second
article on this topic in the Wall Street Journal. It is much longer and
full of lurid details. It mentions both the Chief Accounting and the
Enforcement divisions of the SEC.
Weil, Jonathan and Lublin, Joann, S., "TIAA-CREF Faces Question On
Governance; Fund's Brass Failed to Inform Key Panel About Improper Deal
With Ernst, Its Outside Auditor", Wall Street Journal, Dec 6, 2004, p.
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