Has money tainted research on oiled waters?
Author: Colloquy Moderator
Date: 09-17-04 16:34
Fifteen years after the Exxon Valdez oil spill, Prince
William Sound shows little sign of the millions of gallons of crude oil
that stained its waters and shoreline. But researchers working for the
federal and Alaska governments continue to argue with scientists
working for Exxon over whether the spill has caused long-term damage.
At stake in the debate is $100-million that the oil company would have
to pay the government if research determined that the spill had
resulted in continuing, unexpected damage. Scientists on each side
accuse the other of bias motivated by money. Can the scientific process
survive intact despite the high stakes? Can academics working for Exxon
and for the government maintain their integrity despite their
financers' vested interest in their findings? Will it ever be possible
for scientists to collaborate in situations where litigation plays a
central role? Read more...
Re: Has money tainted research on oiled waters?
Author: Eric Wadsworth
Date: 09-20-04 09:54
The media continues to use the figure of 11 million gallons of
spilled oil. This is a back-of-the-napkin estimate by an Exxon
representative, shortly after the spill.
Dr. Riki Ott, PhD, did some research on this topic and concluded that
30 million gallons was a much more accurate estimate. See
http://www.akaction.net/soundtruths22.html for the report. State
records indicate that the volume of oil spilled is between 25 to 36
million gallons.
It's somewhat irking that the media keeps using the erroneous figure.
I'm sure someone at Exxon giggles whenever he sees that figure in print.
--- Eric Wadsworth
Academics have little integrity
Author: anonymous at NSF
Date: 09-20-04 13:16
This is laughable. Academics with integrity? Academics will sell their soul if it means they will get money.
I may appear overly cynical, but the empirical evidence is
overwhelming. Who has not heard about academic "scientists" who bias
their research because they are paid by some large corporation? Well
its no different when it comes to federal money. If an academic
believes they can con the federal government into giving them more
money, they will bias their research accordingly.
Let's also not forget agendas. Many extremists---particularly in the
environmental movement---have long ago used pseudo-science to get what
they want. Most academics are either part of this environmental
movement or certainly sympathetic to it. If they believe they can
"stick to big oil" they will sell their soul. Facts will not get in
their way.'
I noticed the author of this article only focused on money. I'd like to
see a similar article that focuses on leftist agendas among faculty.
$100 million? Peanuts.
Author: David Anonymous
Date: 09-20-04 16:25
This $100 million reopener clause is a diversion, a means to an end.
September 16 2004 marked the ten-year anniversary of the $5 billion
punitive damages ruling against Exxon for the spill of 1989. This is
the real battle, the end run. Exxon continues to avoid paying the fine,
preferring instead to keep it tied up in appeals court. After ten years
of appeals, the fine has been reduced to $4.5 billion, plus interest.
If Exxon can sidestep the $100 million reopener, they stand a real
chance of getting some slack on the punitive damages. After all, some
may say, if the spills effects have gone away, does Exxon really need
to be punished so much?
The main goal should be to prevent this type of artificial disaster
from recurring. If $100 million will help remove effects of the spill,
that's wonderful. If no means is found to apply the funds to healing
the environment, at least it could be used to fund preventative
measures to protect the our future environment.
Re: Has money tainted research on oiled waters?
Author: A Disgusted Reader
Date: 09-21-04 06:34
Money has tainted one side, the Exxon-Mobil side. It is clear that
Exxon continues to lie and bring in unethical idiots who wish to lie
for them for the price of a cruise and some pocket change. Tainted
science is used by Exxon-Mobil and continues to be used by Exxon-Mobil
for many purposes.
To even ask this question with respect to peer-reviewed and funded
research is ludicrous when compared to Exxon's hand picking
"scientists" willing to sell their intellectual souls. The writer tries
to provide a balanced view, but even in this balance you can see the
travesty, sham and mockery (a travishamockery) of the whole situation.
Re: disgusted reader
Author: anonymous at NSF
Date: 09-21-04 11:12
Disgusted reader is precisely the type of person I am referring to.
She believes Exxon is inherently bad and therefore any research
conducted that supports Exxon's view is tainted.
I have a question for disgusted reader. If the academic "scientist"
took your point of view, would they automatically be credible? (You
don't have to answer. Everyone already knows the answer is YES.)
Re: $100 million? Peanuts.
Author: VR - southamerican university
Date: 09-21-04 14:13
I´m an Environmental Engineering professor and assistant in a Professional Responsibility course too.
I agree with David that this $100 million issue is not truly relevant.
The question is whether scientists can responsibly conduct research in
environmental matters that can lead to real preventive measures. We are
reading now about the disasters due to unusually frequent hurricanes
and tropical storms in the whole Caribbean area, including part of the
US. I read somewhere that Frances will cost the US U$S 10 billion to
cover material damages. Today papers tell about more than 600 people
dead in Haiti's floods..... For the past days I've been reading
"scientists" saying that global warming is the cause of these unusually
frequent disasters, and that it will be growing worse.
But there is no scientific agreement on this matter, nor on any other
where environment and industry interests collide. Sometimes I feel that
I'm just teaching nonsense in both courses.....
Re: disgusted reader
Author: A Still Disgusted Reader
Date: 09-21-04 14:35
Exxon is funding their own research and will not allow others have
access to all research, unless it complies with their point of view.
The NSF (and other government agencies) is a broker in this research
and being at the NSF, means that you are somewhat unbiased on the
results. You fund research with few if any strings attached and let the
results fall where they are. As we can see from your comments, NSF has
people and directors from all sides of the issue. Thus, I see them as
being a more honest broker and agent than a conflict ridden scientist
who is working for Exxon Mobil. An yes, Exxon-Mobil has serious
credibility issues in what they are trying to do with their so-called
science.
Simply put, the Exxon hired guns are facing much more conflict of
interest issues than those hired by a relatively disinterested party
like the Government. Again, there are no absolutes, but the balance is
pretty clear that there is more conflict of interest with Exxon's
research than with the government's researchers or independent
researchers.
Re: $100 million? Peanuts.
Author: Tangentially Disgusted Reader
Date: 09-21-04 14:44
By the way. Exxon-Mobil doesn't believe the science for Global
Warming. They will not allow their decisions to be guided by unsound
science. Their own scientists say so.
Re: $100 million? Peanuts.
Author: VR - from the south, again...
Date: 09-21-04 15:20
I'm quite aware that no oil company agrees about global warming...and some governments loke yours either.
I expressly didn't point the fact in my previuos message, since I don't
want to be accused of "green" or anti-American or whatever...... since
I'm not.
You're the ones that are going to pay for Frances' 10 billion bill, and
yet it seems that it's not a disturbing figure for US people. What I
see is that we'll keep reading about endless so-called "scientific"
arguments about what happened 15 years ago or is happening now - where
environment is not the real issue.
And time will tell us all - or our grandsons - if global warming is here to stay, and make us pay for it.
So where this problem leaves us??? I don't know...
I'm just a concerned professor from "nowhere"; I'll never see myself
playing in the major scientific leagues... but I'm still telling my
students that environmental matters are important and that they can do
something about it as responsible professionals in the future. Am I
being naive? So it seems.... and yet, many of us down here still have
hopes that there actually exist rich countries' true scientists with
integrity and power to actually do some positive contribution to
environmental prevention and have it done.
Scientists selected by accent
Author: Eric Wadsworth
Date: 09-22-04 11:00
I read a while back that Exxon had selected their scientific
spokespersons specifically for their British accents. This was because
studies had shown that Americans gave more credibility to those with
British accents.
This gives an idea of what kind of "science" Exxon-Mobil is interested in.
Re: Has money tainted research on oiled waters?
Author: John Garner
Date: 09-23-04 10:45
Quote...
"I'm quite aware that no oil company agrees about global warming..."
It is quite interesting to note that the American tobacco companies
adopted this same attitude toward the harm that is caused by cigarette
smoking. I remember as a child reading Phillip Morris magazine for
smokers and wondering how ignorant that corporate America thought that
the average American could get.
If we drive the oil interests from our shores they will go exploit
the third world just like the Tobacco companies have done. This pattern
can be seen throughout corporate America and the Western corporate
world. The bottom line is that these folks have no ethics except the
almighty dollar. In America we have created this corporate monster and
let it loose upon ourselves and the world.
That is a shame.
Might I suggest the attitudes of the Western Corporate World has
certain Islamic radicals ready to die in Jihad rather than to die from
being exploited at the hands of the interests of the Western corporate
world? They, like the Nazis, are blaming the Jew whom they equate with
wealth and business and that makes Israel their number one target, with
perhaps New York target number two. Of course, they too are
dysfunctional, and are now killing the world's innocent to just make a
point. You see, the poor and the average world citizen are now getting
it from two directions.
Incredible, indeed. The only problem with most of the Western
corporate world is that it has grown to big and too strong to spank in
any manner what so ever. However, it has the collective social mind of
a child and the body of a monolith that is perhaps at level 1 according
to Kohlberg's morality scale, if that high.
http://students.usm.maine.edu/bmcpha61/Kohlberg_stages_of_morality.htm
There is no way to enlighten these folks. They consider themselves
better, more moral, ect., than the rest of us because they are rich.
Perhaps there should be a level on Kohlberg's morality scale at a level
lower than 1 to accurately describe them, collectively. Perhaps a good
forum debate might be how we could begin to describe the negativity of
these folks in words.
This debate is so sad.
It is evident even to the casual observer what is going on with things
like this and who has lots of money to throw at it so that their side
may win at the expense of humanity.
Science is always exploited to make a profit or to gain an unfair
advantage over those who do not know what it is or how to use it
properly.
Re: Has money tainted research on oiled waters?
Author: M. Kayt Sunwood
Date: 09-24-04 17:30
Thanks for this discussion on the power of money in tainting (or
not) research. This is such an important question. I commend you for
bringing it before us.
As an Alaska resident, I am constantly struck by the continuing
importance of research on environmental impacts of dependence on oil,
and, at the same time, the financially driven polemics of such research
and discussion.
I'd like to suggest that this 'money influencing research' issue isn't
only a case of, "is there continuing impact from the Exxon Valdez oil
spill 15 years ago," however. Today a battle is raging over drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Money is playing a significant
part in the framing of this vital issue as well.
Visit http://oilonice.net to see video clips and information about OIL
ON ICE, a documentary film and WebDVD about the Arctic National
Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) and the controversy over drilling for oil in
ANWR. Oil on Ice raises issues that, though often considered
separately, are inextricably linked with each other. Such issues are
often lost as money sways the framing and execution of research.
I hope that we can find ways to overcome corporate capitalism's strangle hold on research, academia, and the environment.
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According to the Oil on Ice website:
The battle for the future of America's greatest wilderness involves:
* the protection of a unique and irreplaceable natural environment
* the habitat of resident arctic wildlife
* the fate of migratory wildlife that feed and breed in the arctic
* the rights of indigenous people
* progress in energy conservation
* the development of nonpolluting and renewable energy sources
* humanity's response--or failure to respond--to global climate change
Re: Has money tainted research on oiled waters?
Author: Ben.N.Nweke
Date: 10-08-04 18:59
Scientists suppose to know that they are all in one course to
create convenience of existence to humanity and when the process of
this convenience is in jeopardy the ethical responsibility in them has
to overide every other interest to make possible the evidence of truth.
But people should realize that whenever there is a legal involvement in
a given process the interest of benefits or risk of incrimination and
its subsequent damages responsibility tends to overide even the
acclaimed or professional responsibility.Hence, the purpose to come
clean in provision of true findings retains the clause of
questioning.Again as humans,the scientist will eventually dance to the
tunes of their financial god-fathers but in realistic terms they
suppose not to be swayed by anyone against their ethical acquisitions
that recomends the values of ethical responsibility first to promote
the growth of their accepted displine.
However,without greater reliance on moral controles the factors of
money,employers(financiers) and litigation are not in any way very
negligible to reverse the course of truth.
From,
Ben.N.Nweke,
31 odejobi street,
Agege,Lagos.
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