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Should colleges end the use of American Indian themes in the nicknames, mascots, and logos of their athletics teams?
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"One must assume that Mr./Ms. Saiz has not read the body of this discussion, as he/she has returned to the issue..."
"Those who argue that they honor Native peoples by using offensive representations in various forms such as mascots, yells, and names do us no honor..."
"Stanford eliminated their mascot in the 1960's..."
"I need to tell you that I'm afraid..."
"It appears that Mr. Schmidt wishes to return this discussion to its earlier, and useless, 'moral" phase'..."
"Troy Erickson wrote a letter to the Grand Forks Herald saying: 'I challenge anyone to make a successful case to prove that "Fighting Sioux" is in any way insulting.' ..."
"Being inordinately suspicious of all sources that cross my path, I wonder if the voice of Mr. Englestad has issued forth through Ms. Rude..."
"At the request of Ms. Morrigan: Yes, the Oceti Sakowin Hunkpapa (commonly referred to as the Standing Rock Sioux) Elders support the name. There is no consensus..."
"It's been a while since I've visited UND, but I try to stay current with what's happening at my alma mater. After reading some of the responses to this debate, I felt compelled to write. ..."
"My difficulties in transmitting long messages are such that I have given up attempts to provide more or less 'full' substantiating data for my arguments -- which would require much more space..."
"My personal circumstances are such that I have no idea as to the time which can be given further to this colloquy (and the various related colloquy to which I have, and am, contributing, in an attempt to set down some important ideas..."
"Mr. Schuster objects to my 'personal attacks' on him. My criticisms are aimed at his uninformed views, not him. Far from devaluing him, I admire his tenacity, and willingness..."
"'The scholarly viewpoint demands, above all, that the scholar constantly question all assumptions, facts, and beliefs about all matters'..."
"That Mr. Schuster appears unable to think about Indian affairs, Indian rights, or the Sioux specifically in any terms other than simplistic stereotypes should be evident from virtually all he has written..."
"Ostensibly Mr. Schuster originally argued that 'the Sioux' had an absolute moral right to the use of this name because it was theirs from time immemorial. Having been shown that there was a time when none of the Sioux..."
"Mr. Thurman, the harshness of your criticism is surprising considering that you previously wrote,'Mr. Schuster and Ms. Morigan are certainly correct'..."
"My questions were straightforward and could have been answered straightforwardly..."
"Mr. Thurman, thanks for the questions. You have made great contributions to this discussion..."
"Mr. Schuster and Ms. Morigan are certainly correct. Now that the broader issues have been considered, let's get down to specifics, and details..."
"Professor Hayes-Norton wrote: 'Ms. Morrigan claims that if you are using someone's identity without their consent, then..."
"Rebecca Hayes-Norton writes: 'Ms. Morrigan claims that if you are using someone's identity without their consent, then..."
"Ms. Morrigan claims that if you are using someone's identity without their consent, then the only "right thing to do" is to cease using it. How ridiculous. Let's take the Washington Redskins..."
"Mr. Schuster, I just want to commend you on all the fine words you have written in this discussion. I hadn't checked back here in awhile, ..."
"It is quite a different matter for a group of people to self-identify however they see fit, than for a totally other group to usurp your identity..."
"No more wearing the 'legs off the hobby horse' on this one. When I referred to moral imperatives/ethical principles I meant specific statments of moral imperatives, for example..."
"Every point of substance which could be made within the framework of the specific 'parameters' imposed seems already to have been made. Apparently, however, there are those who believe..."
"No doubt as Mr. Thurman suggests: 'Hideous acts against others have often been carried out by people who have 'known' they were on the moral high ground. Adolf Hitler is an outstanding example of this'..."
"In the comments I have made in this discussion, I have tried to speak as a scholar -- to note the real complexities of the matter in hand when it is looked at in a larger perspective..."
"People who want to get rid of school mascots are conducting hatespeech. I am getting sick and tired of all of these people who get offended at everything. They are simply saying..."
"Sports mascots or team names seldom fall into the category of what is objectively offensive. Even though people do take offense at them, the question should be turned around..."
"I think Mr. Thurman makes important points in his response, however as I perceive it this mascot issue is part and parcel of the much larger issues of human rights for Indians. Struggles for human rights and recognition..."
"I have insisted that the problem of sports mascot names is a trivial one when viewed in the context of the social situation of which it is but one of the lesser manifestations. Yet to say that the problem is (relatively speaking) trivial does not mean..."
"People like Alan Cheney of sports mascot names is a trivial one when viewed in the context of the social situation of which it is but one of the lesser manifestations. Yet to say that the problem is (relatively speaking) trivial does not mean..."
"'All [we are] trying to do is tell America we are not mascots'..."
"One other respondent said that other school use Indian mascots. When I first read that response I thought it had hit on something..."
"It seems to me the 'Native Americans' would have bigger issues with which to deal besides the mascot of a public institution..."
"When is this going to end? There are several schools in this state that have the same type mascots and they are schools with mostly Native American students. Is that what the problem is? Must you be Native American ..."
"It is important to recognize that issues of retention are directly related to the mascot issue..."
"I believe a parallel to this issue is found in the action of most states to eliminate or reduce the visibility of the Confederate Flag. I believe we should be careful..."
"What the University of North Dakota has done is shameful! They have disrespected the majority of Native American students on its campus..."
"I have a copy of a letter written to Dr. Charles Kupchella on March 4, 2000 stating..."
"I have read all of the previous posts and I would like to say thank you. I would like to thank The Chronicle of Higher Education for publishing this article. I would like to thank all of the individuals..."
"Given the nature of specifics of this discussion, Rebekah Morrigan has performed a real service in drawing attention to the references she has cited. The UND statement by David Vorland, assistant to the president of the University, dated April 26, 2000, is very informative, and every word..."
"From 'The Sicatoka': Would it matter to anyone here that the Oceti Sakowin Hunkpapa Elders (Standing Rock Sioux) have gone on record supporting use of the 'Fighting Sioux' moniker at UND? They have..."
"The Sioux name was never officially sanctioned by any Indian tribe but was begun as a 'cute' name to intimidate the Bison of UND's arch rival NDAC..."
"I think UND should change the name. It should be done out of respect for the dignity of the Sioux people, that's all..."
"Having read the article, my initial reaction is one of shock, that UND would knowingly associate with a white Aryan supremacist, in 1988..."
"Had the cultural tables been turned, a copyright attorney would have been dispatched immediately to issue a cease and decist order..."
"Would it matter to anyone here that the Oceti Sakowin Hunkpapa Elders (Standing Rock Sioux) have gone on record supporting use of the "Fighting Sioux" moniker at UND? They have. In a letter..."
"While I am empathetic to the concerns of the protestors, I have yet to see what I would consider overwhelming and even relatively undivided support for a change within the American Indian..."
"Response to Rebekah Morrigan: I can not apologize for what I feel. I do indeed feel that the issue of name usage is trite. My point was that the names in question should reflect positive attitudes toward the group..."
"Having read the 64 responses before writing this, I was only a bit surprised that there were no comments by heads of front rank universities..."
"I am amazed at how much of an issue people make of this mascot issue. How difficult is it to see that Native people dislike the use of their tribe's name..."
"As a native North Dakotan now living in Grand Forks I am thrilled to see this brought to the nation. North Dakotans have a tendency to believe racism does not exist in their quiet little..."
"The university should stop using the 'Fighting Sioux' name and symbols. It is disgusting to see such a blatant disregard for 'higher education' and human dignity..."
"The university is allowing American Indian students to be harassed and degraded while defending the practice of reinforcing stereotyping of their cultures and religions..."
"The bigger problem is naming cars after Native Americans. Names like the Jeep Cherokee, Dodge Dakota, and Chevy Apache!..."
"This is in response to the post by Mark Flowers: Your comments regarding what you consider to be a 'trite' issue are an almost textbook example of precisely why this is not a trite issue..."
"It is clear from the timing and circumstances that UND abdicated its responsibility to a body (the ND Board of Education) that would enable UND to claim, 'It is out of our hands'..."
"It still amazes me how some people will 'defend' their entertainment at the expense of others pain."
"I completely agree with Dr. Boren that athletic mascots should be banned altogether as long as the state of collegiate athletics is so ashamedly controlled by corporate money..."
"The word 'Sioux' means cut-throat. It was used by the French to degrade the Lakotas, Dakotas, Nakotas. It's the year 2001 and even Stanford University..."
"The greatest problem with the use of Indian mascots in public institutions of higher learning is not that it offends Indian people, but that it offends the intelligence of those attending the institution..."
"Aanii (Greetings). While I understand that a great number of people, Native and non-Native, see no harm in interactions like the one at issue here, I must explain why I am opposed to the continued use of American Indian nicknames..."
"I believe that the use of Native American nicknames by athletic teams is a form of 'identity slavery' in which an institution co-opts a people's heritage and history for its own gain..."
"As an alum of U. North Dakota (BA, 1998), I failed to see the pain that resulted from the Sioux nickname..."
"If I, a WASP alumnus, cannot intellectually fathom the source of discontent on the part of Native Americans, I can hear when they speak and take their words at face value..."
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