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The Economic Gloom Won’t Stop Asian Parents

August 17, 2011, 5:03 pm

Asia has disappeared. That is, Asia is missing from much of the Western news coverage about slow economic growth, potential double-dip recessions, and high government debt. Recent analysis has focused almost exclusively on Europe and the United States.

What does that mean for Western universities? They risk overlooking an important fact: Asian students will keep flowing out of their home countries, seeking education. China and India will continue to be the world’s largest student exporters, as a result of a shortage of quality institutions at home and parents who place a strong value on education. As The Chronicle has just reported, visa applications from Indian students wanting to go to the United States went up 20 percent in fiscal 2011, and the number of offers from U.S. graduate schools to Chinese applicants went up 23 percent.

Many Asian parents don’t bother stashing cash in pension funds, instead trusting in the deeply held cultural values that will drive most children to take care of their parents when they are old. The children are the parents’ retirement plan, and an engineer is a better retirement plan than a street sweeper.

In the case of Chinese students, the government’s one-child policy has meant that not only do children have two parents focusing their resources on a single child, but they also have two sets of grandparents doing the same.

Those family members have been socking away savings for their children’s education for some time, and they will not keep the children at home just because Standard & Poors doesn’t like the political bickering in Washington, or because the Fed chairman has a sour outlook.

Governments, not just families, are supporting outbound Asian students. A recent British Council analysis of countries that have strong government scholarship programs for students at foreign universities included Thailand. Who knew? I didn’t.

In a visit in May to Macquarie University, in Sydney, Australia, I met four students, from China, Hong Kong, Indonesia, and India, who exemplified this outward flow. I was interviewing them to get a sense of why they went to Macquarie and how content they were with the choice. They turned into a focus group, showing why Australia, which is joined at the hip with Asia, remains a strong competitor among the English-speaking countries for Asian students.

The students’ conversation shifted, quickly, to immigration. Australia has tightened up the occupations that can be a pathway to permanent residence, but accounting is still on the short list. As a result, Chinese accounting majors risk swamping the international student population, despite the best efforts of many universities to build in diversity.

The students were largely content with their lives at Macquarie’s leafy, land-rich, suburban campus, which is dotted with sculptures due to the artistic passions of a former vice chancellor. The students found relatively well-paying jobs, from $11 to $20 an hour, and were allowed to work up to 20 hours a week, with unlimited hours during vacations. Housing was cheap:  Shared apartments ranged from $140 to about $200.

I asked them if they faced any racism, bringing the topic up because of the history of violent attacks on Indian students. I tried to encourage them to discuss the subject by mentioning incidents I had witnessed, such as a man ranting on a train about how foreigners should give up their seats to Australians.

But the students didn’t take the bait. They said they found Sydney safe and the people welcoming, although the Indian student said he would avoid certain Melbourne neighborhoods. The students took advantage of the university’s free or highly subsidized trips to such places as Manly Beach, Sydney’s signature Opera House, or the nearby Blue Mountains, reminiscent of the Grand Canyon. Macquarie University, said Jack Yip, a student from Hong Kong, does “a stellar job in every way to help international students.”

When deciding where to study, Jack thought first about “the time and the money.”  The Australian undergraduate degree, typically completed in three years, was appealing. He wanted an international career, possibly in public relations. He believed his English, learned in the former British colony and now sharpened in Australia, would help him work globally and give him the fallback of a Hong Kong government job.

Mayank Kedia, a student from Kolkata, India, was working toward a master’s degree in finance, said he liked the support for work-life balance he noticed at Australian companies. But, he said, “In the long run I see myself heading back to my country. I can’t see myself being away from my family.”

Grace Yuan, from Shanghai, resented some Australian policies and fees, such as the $4,000 she might have to pay just to apply for the Australian equivalent of a U.S. green card. But she said she would love to live in Australia. Chinese companies expect employees to work long hours with no overtime, she said, and the thick crowds and heavy pollution in Chinese cities turned her off. Sani Halim, from Java, Indonesia, echoed that sentiment. “It was such a culture shock when I first came here,” she said. “It is so quiet.”

My conversation with the students ended, and we stepped outside in a hallway to snap a group picture. I’d gotten a glimpse of  the students’ motives, and the Australian competition for students that the other English-speaking countries face.

No one knows if the booming businesses in China and India will be the workhorses that pull the battered wagons of Western economies out of the mud. But in the meantime, Western universities may want to look East.

David Wheeler is an editor at large for The Chronicle.

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  • iriselina

    Good to read all this.So true. I wrote the first paragraph to Ch:5 of my doc.dissn while stuck in a traffic jam as I was inspired to do so and later I felt I could not have improved it any further.( I was not driving, but in the backseat !)
    Wish I could get students to believe this: to keep track of moments of insight as we are bound to forget later.Always carry paper and pencil with you! The Mind is greater than your conscious self!

  • kslockeman

    Thank you for the Boice reference. Although I have been told that I write well, I have always struggled with the process of completing a paper… any paper, and my behavior is definitely characterized by binging and busyness. As a second year PhD student, I have been worrying about how I will ever get a dissertation done. I think I will check out Boice’s advice.

  • archman

    Best CHE article title EVER.

  • gammapoint

    As awesome as this conclusion would be, 61 participants is not enough for me to believe it, even though I’d very much like to. They should really repeat the study with at least 10x that number.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/X6WPVJFLNJTT32P44XRBJUACX4 RH

    That’s why I had to laugh when a Protestant friend said “Catholics can do whatever they want, they’ll be forgiven by going to Confession”. But Protestants just have to accept JC as Lord, and they’ll be forgiven, they don’t even have to bother with Confession!

  • 11122741

    this study is not about god, it is about environments where there ARE consequences for your actions and environments where the are NOT consequences. Right now we are in an era where there are very few id any consequences for one’s actions (a kind and forgiving god environment) andf particularly so in higher ed and on wall street: god and religious beliefs are not necessary to figure this one out and in fact only mask the situation or problem.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/X6WPVJFLNJTT32P44XRBJUACX4 RH

    As an atheist who happens to teach college, this article is a great example of why morals and ethics are the real concern, and faith is a load of hooey. I know truly evil devout people, and I know truly evil atheists. The problem is the “well-meaning” person, who rationalizes everything based on their own idea of “good”. If “good” means “pass this class so my parents aren’t wasting their money and I don’t have the shame of failing,” cheating is a way to achieve “good”. Those who feel that learning, and knowledge, are more important than grades won’t cheat, because they know that the point of taking a class is to leave it with a better understanding of the subject matter, and the ability to apply it. I didn’t earn a great undergraduate GPA, but I did earn it.

  • chgoodrich

    Yes, noticed that. And in theory, we should believe the *quotation* rather than the journalistic analysis, right? Unless, of course, the quote’s wrong, too…..

  • saluki87

    Not being involved in the softer sciences, what is the value of this knowledge, even if it is correct? I suppose gaining knowledge simply for the sake of gaining knowledge is something. Still, I wouldn’t be surprised to see this one mentioned in the popular press as an example of waste by elitist faculty and their institutions who have disdain for “traditional values.” I wouldn’t agree, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it occurred.

  • sfeasterlewis

    This is an interesting study. I would like to see more on the topic. Students who cheat on tests do so for a variety of reasons — including they haven’t studied or they don’t feel well. Actually they are breaking two Commandments — “Thou shalt not steal” and “Thou shalt not bear false witness [lie].” Pressure on teachers and students is huge. Some teachers cheat when they give students the answers to standardized tests and lie about the scores in order to look good.. Are we letting our students get away with not learning the content? Are we letting some teachers get away with giving out answers to standardized tests (in the name of getting good scores)? They — students, their parents, teachers, principals, and parents — should strive to meet these two standards, which are appropriate for everyone, everywhere.. Have you ever lied about an action or stolen answers or ideas from someone else? Hmmmm.

  • mcphslibrary

    How about the people who don’t believe in god, how do they fare? Or how about the ones who have read the bible and realize that ‘that god’ is neither A nor B but a combiniation of the two….how do they do on the study?

  • jadee

    LOL! I think maybe this article explains the behavior of many of the students at Holier than Thou Christian University where we have chapel every morning. Not only do these students cheat, but they also expect and demand that any and all of their bad actions to be excused and accepted with impunity! Wow, who knew?

  • seniorprofessor

    Several budgetary studies have shown that these kinds of funds (including BCA, etc.) do help the non-profitable sports programs but do not flow or flow in minuscule amounts into academics. Typical is the case of Boise State University which now has its hand out to taxpayers to pay for a new stadium (much of it for the benefit of the wealthy alum business community) while academic programs are being cut back for a lack of state funding, etc.

    Some of this money gets taxed but the creative accountants manage to hide most of it under the “education” tax-free boxes long enough to escape, then it goes back to Athletics, Inc. It’s high margin money too since the workers are not paid; only the coaches are in 7-8 figure salaries.

    College Athletics, Inc. is taxpayer fraud waiting to be exposed.

  • badger74

    Until they start writing checks to cover their attendance, room & board, books etc. the athletes are getting paid pretty well. The total value at an our of state or private university is upwards of $50,000 per year–tax free to the student/athlete. That’s about $75,000 before tax equivalent. Yes, they work hard for that in the income sports such as football and basketball. But for every player that gets the scholarship deal there are 100 that would love to take their spot. So there already is a market clearing amount being paid.
    What the extra money will do is allow some of the smaller PAC 12 schools such as WSU compete without needing to ask the students or state for more money.

  • goxewu

    With the “education” that most revenue-sports athletes–many of them grossly under-qualified to be matriculating students at the big universities for whom they play–manage to eke out after they’ve put in all that practice time, game time, travel time, training time, yeah, they’re “paid pretty well”…in the equivalent of counterfeit money.

  • http://twitter.com/RalfJRitter Ralf Ritter 李祖良

    The insights in this article are right on the mark, especially the point about Chinese parents really investing in their children’s future through education abroad. Many have to make sacrifices to achieve this. These students bring in money and will help fund faculty, etc. so they should be welcomed with open arms. Since Asia is becoming so important for the world’s future, American students have the chance to get to know students from those countries, make friends with them and build potentially crucial connections for their own future. Finally, having Asian students participate in classroom discussions will allow local students to hear from individual Asians which will result in less generalizations/assumptions about certain Asian countries. 

  • educationfrontlines

    If the only-child-of-an-only-child marries the only-child-of-an-only-child, the couple may have 2 children. This policy, enacted earlier but now in place across China will ease the social security pressure slightly.  However, while 10 million high school seniors sat for the gao kao (college entrance exam) in June 2010 (and ~6 million passed), only 9.3 million sat this last June 2011.
    For the half of the population that has become affluent, the American attitude that “My child will not need to take care of me when I am old” is beginning to show up, although the value placed on academic study remains.

    While the number of Chinese students coming to America is increasing, the numbers going back after graduation to what are perceived as better opportunities in China is even greater.

    As a result, the intercultural interactions of massive numbers of Chinese students in America results in China “knowing” the US.  The trivial number of American students who learn Chinese and study in China for more than a few tourist weeks means that the US has very few who “know” China.  The severe and critical shortage of international students is of American students going anywhere else to study.

    John Richard Schrock

  • hodgefam

    I find it fascinating that the importance of a college education for fostering individual and collective prosperity is acknowledged by people of widely diverse cultures.  I also cannot help but conclude that not everyone–no matter where they come from–is college material.  So what about vocational/technical training as an avenue to a better life?  Can a well-skilled Chinese electrician or welder build a good life for their family?  Every time I get the bill for a car or home repair, I think to myself that encouraging young folks to trek on down to their friendly neighborhood community college to pursue an associate in applied science degree is not such a bad idea.  But I digress…     

  • profdrsoandso

    Death, where is thy sting? 

    Owwww.. oh, right. There it is.

  • victorl

    “Unless you’re a nematode”

    … or Turritopsis nutricula. (see CHE May 2, 2010 article by Nina Ayoub)

  • 11272784

    The Nematodes…wasn’t that a psychedelic band around 1969?

  • http://twitter.com/ValentinoBenito Valentino Martinez

    When you get past 60 years of age, as I have, the drama of the coming end seems to find its way to the heart of the matter–that that remote thought that the end of me is really quite near.

    Not only is it a sobering thought it is a motivating thought that what always mattered to me matters even more now.

  • Socratease2

    That idea of “death deacceleration” may have been an unchallenged mathematical/statistical finding for a while but seems that a 5 year old could have told you that sounds wrong. It takes really smart people to act that confused.

  • darccity

    Solutions:
    1. Cryogenic freezing (worked for Woody Allen)
    2a. Suspended animation during space flight, like they do in all the movies (caution: don’t wait we must to abandon Earth following global climate change or nuclear war — spaceships will be full).
    2b. Space travel near speed of light so we age much less rapidly (like Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes). Or use an inflinite probability machine to visit the restaurant at the end of the universe
    3. Do a Logan’s Run to the surface if your hand ever starts glowing (avoid ray gun fire though)
    4. Transfer your consciousness to a robot or computer to become immortal (Star Trek episodes)
    5. Reincarnate, coming back in a more favorable time and existence if karma is favorable
    6. Have slaves build a pyramid with a secret chamber
    7a. Switch to a religion with the true deity and follow its dictate so you can spend eternity in heaven
    7b. Switch to a religion whose messiah is due during your lifetime (consult actuarial tables, scriptures, and prophets or alternatively use introspection to realize that a messiah is sure to come during your lifetime). Then follow step in 7a above and follow the shining path to the rapture
    8. Build a time machine and travel far enough into the future to when they have cures for aging
    9. Late in life, move to Sweden, learn language, master the game of chess, and get cast in a movie (not involving dragon tattoos). Then play Death for your life. Tip: be wary of the Nabbakov Gambit and don’t let the Grim Reaper distract you with discussion of existential philosophy.
    10. Determine if you are already immortal. Wrong way to test: stab yourself in heart and see if you die. Right way to test: notice that you’ve never died before, so you could be immortal. Continue testing each year. Empirically, you notice that test on yourself never observes a dead response. Not so for your scientific control group: other people your age. Notice the control group dying off and at an increasing rate but you never do (don’t ever believe doctors who say you are dying — they don’t realize you are immortal). Of course the Social Security data is flawed because we know from Twilight Zone (also retold in Star Trek and Highlander) that immortals simply change the IDs and relocate whenever their current spouses age too much.

  • Guest

    I’m just now reading The Last Mortal Generation: How Science Will Alter Our Lives in the 21st Century, first published in 1999 by the Australian polymath Damien Broderick.  His account hooked me with the notion that senescence may not be inevitable, but “a sentence botched by a DNA spelling mistake.”

    There’s a lot to be said for the notion that, as a species, we’ve only begun to mature psychologically and intellectually about the same time the grim reaper comes knocking on our door.  

  • EllenHunt

     It’s true, what you said. But having some background in the area, I think that Damien is blowing smoke. Or DNA program unfolding is a one-way program that was never intended to do anything but run out. Getting immortality, or even very long life (500 – 1000 years) out of it will be very difficult.

    We know how to make cells immortal, that’s easy. It’s called cancer. Keeping the whole organism alive for far too long is a very different trick requiring a lot of cell death.

  • EllenHunt

    Ahem. Mathematical purist chirping in here. The statement “The older you get, the more likely you are to die.” is not correct. Your odds of dying are always 100%, no matter what age you are.

    The older you get, the more likely you are to die in the coming year (or some other defined time span) is correctly stated. Yes, I know we mostly all understand the difference, but these things bug me. A “Monk” character trait, like my being bothered by those postmile markers on the road which are never at even multiples.

  • darccity

    That’s why it is called a mortality RATE! Or to mix rates with eventual outcome, “Nothing is certain but death and taxes.” You are taxed each time interval or for each purchase or activity (though loopholes can exempt you). But since a huge proportion of people who’ve ever lived are currently alive, eventual death of all today (and as yet unborn) requires a world where “androids dream of robotic sheep” to posit (rewatch Blade Runner for the context).

  • Guest

    EH: >a one-way program that was never intended to do anything but run out.>>

    Intended by whom?

    I don’t speak for him, but Broderick can blow smoke with the best of them, for sure.  The first sentence of his now 13-year-old text is a quote (epigraph) by Roger Gosden: “No one but a crank would say that a cure for aging is just around the corner.”  And elsewhere: “scepticism is understandably more prevalent than optimism.”  He goes on, discussing S. Jay Olshansky at U of Chicago, to say: “Olshansky argues that so many of us now live far beyond our reproductive years because the rugged engineering built by evolution into the species is bolstered, but only up to a point, by technology’s protective environments.  We are like race cars: not _designed_ to fail, just not fashioned for extended operation.”

    My own academic background is in rhetoric (a discipline with no content), but I have an insatiable appetite for popularizations of contemporary science.  Why do non-cancerous entities live such various “normal” life spans: from a summer’s day to three years, to 20, to 120, to those ancient turtles Galapagosing around their island?

    We often hear the statement that human DNA is, like, 98% the same as that of chimps, but I want to know how similar we are to Mayflies and turtles.  If I could rewind my own bio-program, I would start my professional life over as a specialist in common knowledge.

  • dank48

     Actually, as the error-message haiku (and I wish I knew the author) points out,

      Three things are certain:
      Death, taxes, and data loss.
      Guess which has occurred.

    And the seven billion or so of us now living are not a “huge proportion” of the hundred billion or so Homo sapiens sapiens who have lived. It’s a popular but erroneous UL that most people who’ve lived are still alive.

    I could be wrong, but I think the question is whether androids dream of electric sheep. And it seems to me that, while my interest in the play is as strong as ever, as various people I care for step from the stage, the production–however randomly written in reality–sometimes seems to have been written so that, when it comes time for my own exit from the scene, I just won’t mind all that much.

  • 11182967

    The usual explanation for mortality deceleration has been that beyond a certain age the major “non-aging” causes of death–combat, auto accidents, sudden heart attacks, and even many cancers have been “out-lived,” and thus there is nothing much left to die from except “old age” (I’ve survived neurosurgery at age 21, a major wreck at 41, and prostate cancer at 56, eg).  But a little thought suggests that it has been modern medicine rather than some natural process which enables more of us to live to that old age and, particularly, to linger, often horribly, once old age arrives. 

    Further, the proportion of persons who die at a particular old age must surely increase as people age beyond a certain point: ie, the odds of a person dying at age 105, given the relatively small number of such people, must surely be higher than the odds of a person dying at age 80.  This too would seem to be in part a function of modern medicine.  Even the most devoted practititoners and family members are unlikely to try to keep the 105-year-old alive, no matter how sound her underlying health, by using all available extraordinary measures.  But even a healthy 80-year-old is likely to get a “healthy dose” of life-saving or life-extending medical assistance.

    Actuarial analysis like the Gompertz Law describes, however accurately, an end result.  The interesting stuff, however, is what leads to the results.   

  • Nicholas

    Here’s an idea: stop trying to prolong life in nematodes and start trying to do it for people!

  • leonid_gavrilov

    Greetings,

    You can meet the authors of this study, listen their lecture, ask your own questions and participate in discussions this Tuesday, March 13, in Chicago.

    http://longevity-science.blogspot.com/2012/03/longevity-meeting-in-chicago-march-13.html

    Shorter weblink:

    http://tinyurl.com/Longevity-Lecture

    What:     Lecture by Gavrilov & Gavrilova  “Mortality at Advanced Ages”  (session A4) with subsequent Discussion

    When:    Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 1:45 p.m. – 3:00 p.m.

    Where:   Chicago, Illinois (Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Illinois, 300 East Randolph Street), room Train 3

    Logistic details:

    http://www.chicagoactuarialassociation.org/future_events.html

    and

    http://www.chicagoactuarialassociation.org/2012_03_v3.pdf

    For those who are interested, the meeting will be followed by informal discussion, which will become increasingly informal by 5:15 p.m. (cocktail reception) and even more so later by 5:45 p.m. (dinner).

    Hope to see you at this meeting!

    If you can not come to Chicago at this time, and would like to have a similar event at your organization, feel free to contact the authors at:

    gavrilov@longevity-science.org