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January 12, 2012, 4:41 pm

Everyone tends to assume that the growth of international students will go on unfettered. But I am not sure that, when all is said and done, it is going to be quite that simple. I was brought to this conclusion by a recent visit to Singapore.

There, it is quite clear that a halt is being called to the growth of international-student numbers in Singaporean universities as a result of the concerns of the Singaporean population that they are not getting their fair share of university places. Singapore’s universities will be capped at the present level of international students while 2,000 new university places will be added for local students by 2015 (chiefly from the two new universities that will be opening soon), so that gradually the proportion of foreign students will come down from 18 percent to about 15 percent.

This is hardly an unusual event. I could say sadly but it is not hard to see why Singaporean nationals might rail against funded places being given to students from overseas after coming to the conclusion that those could be their children’s places. The argument about trying to obtain the best talent worldwide tends to fall in the face of these kinds of arguments.

Nor is it necessarily an unusual reaction in other states. In Singapore, the reaction was exacerbated by the fact that so many international students are funded, and funded generously. But it has all kinds of echoes elsewhere in the world–for example, the tougher visa regimes being introduced in some countries which can treat international students as though they were the collateral damage that is necessitated by electorates obsessed by issues like order and safety.

Of course, some countries stay resolutely open to international students, including Canada and Australia (after a brief and rapidly reversed hiatus in its visa regime). And China’s commitment is growing. But other countries seem to be wavering. In the U.K., international students have become caught up in an election pledge which has proved difficult to renege upon. In the United States, a general hostility to immigrants in some states holds the danger of flowing over into action on international students, too. For the best universities in countries like these, this is unlikely to be a major problem but for other universities it is already proving to be a challenge.

I do not believe that these kinds of barriers to the flow of international students around the world can or will last, but they show that the greater internationalization of students does not have to be an inevitable process, as too many commentators have tended to assume. It can be halted or even reversed. As economic crisis bites in many parts of the globe, feelings of hostility to immigrants can often become stronger and international students can be caught up in the backwash. Universities are necessarily diverse institutions and they need to mount positive campaigns that make the case to electorates who feel beleaguered and who are looking for what look like obvious answers to their plight.

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  • drj50

    There are many well-documented problems with for-profit institutions of higher education — as well as (different problems) with private and public non-profit institutions. But “Next: anecdotes about administrators and then about students.”? Good data, not anecdotes, lead to good policy.

  • polisciguy

    I teach politics part-time and my students cannot pin down my personal beliefs because I really do argue as many sides of an issue as I can. When I eventually achieve F/T status at a community college, tenure will be vital to the way I do my job. In addition to having collective control regarding issues such as curriculum delivery methods, I all too often have to present ideas that are controversial to some or even a majority of people in order that I fairly represent the broad spectrum of opinions in the public arena. If that freedom is sacrificed because I feel the need to bow at the altar of playing it safe, then I have done a disservice to my students and my discipline.

  • nampman

    Amen!

  • 11122222

    I agree with Vice Chancellor Thrift that there are significant and often unanticipated impediments relating to global student mobility–but increasing demand and numbers will mean that student mobility will continue–and probably accelerate although patterns and flows may change.  Market forces dictate it.

  • 22280998

    I would like to compare what majors the “home” students  and international students would choose. I don’t think this is all that of a zero sum substitution.

    In our US university international students major in technical areas that would otherwise remain unfilled because American students do not want to or can not pursue those fields. Plus, those that ultimately stay in the US help create jobs for others.  

  • thenomad

    It seems to me that international student mobility isn’t nessesarily slowing but that the patterns of where they go may be shifting.  While the UK, for example, may see a slowing of international students due to visa restrictions, they may also see a slowing due to increased tuition, and I’d be interested to learn if there are any implications for UK nationals who may be less likely to now attend post-secondary institutions due to the rising costs as well.

    As a staff member in the international student recruitment unit of my university in Canada, we definitely hear the argument that international students are taking up spaces in classes that would otherwise be reserved for Canadian students.  The only support for this argument is a statistical one, in that our entrance averages are based on a combination of the number of spaces available, the average scores achieved by all applicants to a program in the previous year, and the normal uptake of admissions offers.  The distribution of GPAs, not surprisingly, waivers very little from year to year, perhaps a percentage point or two one way or the other at most.  International student applications have the ability, certainly, to skew the averages higher if one can assume that the majority of such applicants are high achievers, but the more likely case, statistically speaking, is that the higher the volume of applications, the more normalised a distribution becomes, not necessarily skewed.  As a result, any student who meets our minimum average is guaranteed to get in, regardless of that student being Canadian or international, and as 22280998 states, international students are often more likely to study in programs that local students tend not to.  I’ve never heard of a case at our university, which has no international or domestic student quotas, where a Canadian student lost a spot because an international student got it.  The only reason any student loses a spot is that they don’t meet the minimum requirement.

    In addition, our labour market will continue to require us to attract international students because as a nation with stagnant birth rates and increasing ages of others, we continue to experience labour shortages in all types of fields, from professional to labour positions, and as long as there are people who continue to want to immigrate here, I can’t forsee any change in Canada receiving international students, regardless of any protests Canadians may have.

  • kohai

    Making international students pay the full cost of their undergraduate tuition at a publicly funded institution, emphasizing undergraduate, is a no brainer. At the graduate level it gets a little more muddled I think.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nikiv2012 Niki Velazquez

    I found this commentary interesting and i am just beginning to learn about international education.   What types of degrees are being sought by international students? Are they being accepted into program/majors in which nationals are unable to meet the requirements and this is why so many international students are taking their “space”?
    Niki

  • burger1376

    You are flat out wrong, and your argument smells of liberal propaganda.  

    International students don’t flood areas that would otherwise not have been filled.  The problem is that most qualifications for international students are far lower than that of American students.  It is far more difficult for an American to get into an MIT engineering program than a Chinese student.  Examples: the American needs high scores, high test scores, work experience, volunteer experience, sports, art, etc, etc.  The Chinese student needs a test score.  Not an English test score, but a math test score.  If that was all that was required of American student, Americans could compete more.  All they would have to do is copy Chinese students and sit in their rooms studying maths for a decade or more.  

    On top of this, because international students flood these programs, the result is that Americans don’t want to do them.  It is a stereotype that Indians and Chinese will outperform Americans when that is simply not true and there are no real measurements to prove it.  So, Americans, with these biased perceptions, decide on other fields.  Lets not forget that some other fields like finance, life sciences, social sciences, and economics also use a lot of maths.  American students can easily outperform in these areas.  Assuming they don’t perform well in engineering or hard sciences is just naive and ignorant.  

    As well, international students flooding these programs actually downgrade the jobs that result from studying in these programs.  When US companies are more interested in hiring an Indian or Chinese because of the perception that they are “better”, why would a white American go into a career where their skin color would go against them.  

    Lets not forget that most international students are accepted simply because they have money and they bring “diversity” to US universities.  

    As for the article’s assumption that there is “hostility” towards international students in the US, that is just ridiculous.  The hostility comes from Americans Universities and so-called scholars who continuously attack Americans in education.  Americans are far more qualified than most people in any other country in the world.  The attacks on us are causing a backlash.  But the hostilities didn’t start with us.  It started with the discriminatory US higher education system that hates Americans.  

  • burger1376

    As an opponent to the current acceptance levels of international students, I have some issue with your comment.  Most of us who oppose the current situation, especially in the USA, don’t mind international students paying the same as national students.  We don’t even mind if they get scholarships (although some might argue against me on that). What we are tired of is international students getting places in top US universities when they are hardly qualified.  Like I said in another post above, an Americans student needs high test scores, high class scores, work experience, volunteer experience, sports, art, music, etc.  International students, for the most part, just need to be international, have a different skin color, or a simple test score.  Most international students in the US are less qualified than American students, but the liberal argument for diversity leads to discrimination against Americans.  

  • kohai

    International students parents did not pay any taxes that support publically funded institutions so therefore they should pay the full cost of their tuition.
    As for those complain that they are taking up spaces from more qualified domestic candidates, which I really wasn’t commenting on at all, why don’t those same institutions apply the same standards to foreign sudents and charge them the full cost of tuition.  Sounds like the solution to the unqualified student problem.  But remember, money talks.

  • http://twitter.com/drgeorgecurious Dr. George Curious

    How sad is this.

  • davidfalcone

      While I understand the desire to check for replicability, it is unfortunate that in a world that needs our attention, Psychology has found another way to speak to itself.  
         (Not to mention, that the architecture of research validation is set up to produce low probabilities of replication … so it would only make sense that the agents of the Reproducibility Project attempt to replicate each experiment many many times before determining that it is or is not “true stuff.”  But they will need to hurry since, given its historical-sociocultural context … much of Psychology’s “true stuff” changes over time.)

  • mbelvadi

    Reality checks are never a bad thing, even if they bruise some egos along the way.

  • c_i_c

    This is an important check, not only on the work of a few hundred random psychologists, but on the effectiveness of peer review touted by academic publishers (APA and Sage in this case) as their “value-add.”  It’s also a check on the effectiveness of university tenure and promotion committees that should be—but might not be—approaching journal peer review with a degree of skepticism.  And finally, it could also shed light on the notion of “impact factor,” and the extent to which subsequent research “experts” can assess the accuracy of the previously ideas reported results published by their peers.

    Mark Sandler
    Director, Center for Library Initiatives
    Committee on Institution Cooperation (CIC)
    http://www.cic.net

  • tdr75

    Why is it sad?  If research is fundamentally sound then no one should have to worry about someone else reproducing that research.  Those who produce careful, rigorous research have nothing to worry about here.

    All caveats aside, why is it sad to verify the conclusions of original research?  Should we merely take Newton’s gravity for granted or should we test it and try to verify that it exists? 

    So much emphasis in tenure hearings tends to focus on publishing.  The gold standard is to be published in an elite “peer-reviewed” journal.  So why is it somehow bad to check that the “peer-reviewed” literature is any more accurate than something different?  There is a kind of filter on elite peer-reviewed journals that psychologists of all people should understand.

    I was a student in economics.  Do you know what the biggest complaint was about getting published in that field that I heard?  The same guys publish the same stuff by getting it “reviewed” by their pals who serve on these review committees.  It is a rather small club when you start looking through the “big 5″ economics journals.

    Nothing sad here.

  • 11191774

    Psych’s come undun
    It didn’t know what it was headed for
    And when I found what it was headed for
    It was too late

    Psych’s come undun
    It found a mountain that was far too high
    And when it found out it couldn’t fly
    It was too late

    It’s too late
    It’s gone too far
    It’s lost the sun

    Psych’s come undun
    It wanted truth but all it got was lies
    Came the time to realize
    And it was too late 
    (sorry…couldn’t resist)

  • bghansel

    To avoid the bias of the “file drawer effect,” journals could welcome a “negative findings” section with links to a website where readers could gather the important details of studies where “no correlation was found” and “the null hypothesis could not be disproved.” There is probably just as much value to these studies as the more spectacular ones since at least we would know what didn’t work.

  • nordicexpat

    This isn’t my field, but I wish the author of the blog would drop the snark. The implication is that a failure to replicate would mean that the authors of the original study were either deceitful or incompetent. I doubt this is Nosek’s intention, as the website for the project clearly lists possible causes for the failure to replicate a study:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/10x-uzlQ2vIQgsHNum2U9VC0M289lXZozR41MeHqFy2M/edit?pli=1

    Here is the short version, but I encourage everyone to look at the site themselves:

    Possible Interpretations of a failure to replicate:

    1. The original effect was false.
    2. The replication was not sufficiently powered to detect the true effect
    3. The replication methodology different from the original methodology on features that were critical for obtaining the true effect.
    4. Errors in implementation, analysis, interpretation for the original, replication, or both

    A failure to replicate wouldn’t mean anything without a careful analysis for why the replication didn’t occur. I’m actually a great fan of replications, and I wish they occurred more frequently, but the scientific illiteracy is so great I understand why some are expressing reservations about Nosek’s project.

  • Kuze81

    Very well said.

    Now try applying this logic to climate science and watch how fast you’re thrown under the bus as a flat earth bumpkin or oil industry shill.

  • drjoes56

    Expect 1 in 20 studies to not be replicated.  That is why we have the p<.05 standard.
    This is a great teaching tool for all PSY majors.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1940380 Stephanie Seiler

    “Like most researchers, Nosek is interested in advancing his own research
    agenda rather than simply running someone else’s experiments.”

    Dr. Nosek’s endeavor is not an alternative to doing research. It IS research.

  • cwinton

    What is sad is the professional opinion that this shouldn’t be done “because psychology is under threat and this could make us look bad.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/nosek Brian Nosek

    Tom -

    I am disappointed with the negative tone of this post.  Reproducibility (“checking your work”) is a central pillar of science.  Conducting a replication is not a threat to the integrity of the publishing scientist or of the original work.  It is an ordinary practice to improve the confidence in scientific knowledge.  The scientist ideal is not to “be right” it is to “get it right.”  

    Further a failure to replicate does NOT mean that the effect is false or that the original researcher did something wrong.  It *might* mean that the effect is false, but there are many contributors to a lack of reproducibility, and all of them are important to understand.

    Most important, the Reproducibility Project is a project of psychologists about psychology.  We are investigating ourselves.  The sample of studies is just that – a sample.  From that sample, we hope to learn something about the population from which we drew it.  That population includes me and my collaborators.  If the results suggest low reproducibility, then I take it to mean as much about me and my laboratory as it does about any article in the sample.  

    Science is self-critical.  If there are problems, scientists aim to identify them and do something about it.  That is what I love about science, and why I am a psychologist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nosek Brian Nosek

    I should add that the Reproducibility Project is open.  All are welcome to join, or review and critique.  Project documents are linked through:  http://openscienceframework.org/

  • repphd

    I am a marketing person so perhaps I might look at this a bit differently.

    1.  OK Tom good title and good introduction  you got us hooked, my guess is you will get lots of comments.  I don’t  know if you actually took Marketing 101 in college, but you are practicing it.
    2.  As a marketer with a psychological bent I look at this whole issue of replication from an external validity perspective.  One of the problems we have in our field and others in the social sciences I try to read is it is difficult to get replications published.  I have done some scaling work in my career and have learned, sometimes with pain, the value of checking out the external validity of a scale based on multiple uses before I try and borrow it for my use.  While we can often find mutliple uses of a scale and the reports on how it works, we see less opportunities for replication of basic internal validity findings of specific construct relationships.  Replications only occur when we  add something to  the mix; straight replication seems to rarely be published.
    3.  So I applaud Dr. Nosek for  his creative way of approaching the replication problem, really thinking outside of the box.

  • willismg

    Despite the tone of the article, this is an excellent area for study, and not only for psychology.  There are many areas of engineering and even physics where papers are being published based on the “predictions” of essentially unverified, and highly tunable, computer models that could do with a look-see.  

    The argument about psychology possibly being harmed as a reason to desist is pretty humorous.  Oh wait, they *really* feel that way in Psychology departments?

    One final piece of snark, which I don’t really mean as snark.  Psychology may indeed be a valid field of study.  But I would stop short of calling it “science”.  I would also go as far as to say that maybe part of the problem is that in their zeal to be labeled as a science, psychologists may be using techniques that are valid for investigating the physical world but that are inappropriate for assessing the state of something as variable as people’s feelings or reactions to stimuli. 

    In the physical world, the implicit assumption is that if you do the same thing, the same result should occur.  And this should be true whether you do it, or anybody else does it, 1 time, or 1000000 times. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I can react differently to the same stimulus between morning and afternoon.

  • pflady

    If this undertaking involved any vertebrates other than humans, it would probably wouldn’t be allowed by institutional animal care and use committees.  It would be deemed a waste of animal subjects.  Too bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1940380 Stephanie Seiler

    How is a field that uses the scientific method not science?

  • willismg

    Using the scientific method doesn’t make something science.  Using the scientific method is only appropriate if the thing you’re studying has aspects that can be uncovered by using the scientific method.  If the thing you’re studying isn’t consistent with the underlying presumptions of the use of the scientific method, then the scientific method is not something that should be applied.  And any results obtained thereby are suspect.

    This all sounds more confusing than it is in my head…(maybe I need a psychologist..)  One way of thinking about it is that the scientific method assumes that there is no “memory” of past activities when an experiment is performed on an object.  If I do the same thing, under the same conditions to the same object, I should get the same result.  Or if I do the same thing under the same conditions to an exact duplicate of the original object, I should get the same result.  I would say that this disqualifies its use on any object with consciousness since you can never regain the same conditions on an object, nor can you have exact duplicates of two objects with consciousness.

  • fdhorowitz

    Many years ago, when Boyd McCandless was appointed editor of the then new APA journal, Developmental Psychology, and invited me to join its editorial board, I suggested that one of the criteria for accepting a research article should be whether or not the author(s) had replicated the results in a second study.  It was deemed impractical. Nevertheless,I have always thought that some evidence of the replication of results prior to publication would have advanced our science considerably.  Frances Degen Horowitz

  • http://adrianoesch.wordpress.com/ adrianoesch

    not if it takes 20 attempts (studies) until you get a positiv and then this one gets published.

  • kenneymp

    This song will now be stuck in my mind all day! ;-0)

  • http://adrianoesch.wordpress.com/ adrianoesch

    as bghansel already pointed out, the problem is not the methods, the topic, the researchers or whatever. the real problem in my view is that we still rely uniquely on gatekeepers to publish. the real bias is coming from the journals publishing only a percentage of all the studies. its not appropriate. why isnt it already common to publish first to something like arxiv.org befor you submit your paper at a journal? journals shoulnt be GATEKEEPER but CURATORS!

  • easydoesit

    @willismg: Even in the “hard” sciences (physics, chemistry, etc.) there is no expectation that the results will be the same each time. That’s why those fields use models that *estimate* the true value and that also provide various indices of error in the estimate (standard errors). Granted, their estimates are more precise and farther along as a science than in psychology, but that doesn’t make the use of the scientific method by psychologists any less scientific. Science is a process not an outcome.

  • eelalien

    In my field (education), I have typically found that conducting longitudinal studies is the preferred method of gathering data and validating results for research when seeking publication. When the social sciences are involved, single studies are often simply snapshots of a particular set of characteristics for a specific group at that time. If results differ with changing group composition over 3-5 years, it provides a much broader data base from which to extract results, and derive appropriate conclusions.

  • willismg

     For Mr. Doesit,  Yes there is scatter around some expected value in physical experiments, but if one is sufficiently careful, one can minimize this and see clear answers.  In psychology, one is in fact measuring reactions of a conscious entity which alters itself with each application of the experiment.  Indeed, depending on how perverse or puckish one is feeling on any given day, or depending on whether or not it’s raining outside, the same person can be in a different mood and react differently.  The billiard ball has no such ability to change the outcome of any experiment performed upon it.  Science is indeed about the process but if one wants to apply a process, one should ensure that the process, with all its built-in limitations, is able to achieve what is desired.

    In my view, the scientific process has no hope of teasing out whatever it is that makes us do the things we do when somebody prods us.  The fact that I can exercise control over my own conscious entity (my brain) means that the underlying assumptions of the scientific method have been violated.

    Again, I’m not saying that psychology isn’t worthy of study.  I’m merely saying that the application of an inappropriate process in that study might be part of the problem with any lack of reproducibility in the field.  If only they weren’t so damned insecure about the nature of their field, maybe somebody could figure out a more appropriate process for psychology than the scientific method.

  • morrisville

     This is precisely the reason why psychology departments are self-conscious: we’re dismissed as “not a science” by people who don’t understand how psychological experiments are conducted. Most studies are replicated on new samples of respondents, for example. Personally, I applaud the replication project. If the results don’t stand up to solid replication, that’s important information. Had psychology been the first field to be selected by a team of non-psychologists, however, I would have been suspicious of motivations. Let’s also see this expanded to other fields!

  • easydoesit

    Tom: Would you please elaborate on the basis for your assertion: “If it turns out that a sizable percentage (a quarter? half?) of the results published in these three top psychology journals can’t be replicated, it’s not going to reflect well on the field or on the researchers whose papers didn’t pass the test. 

    Your prediction about the *perception* of nonreplicated studies may be true, but do you think that perception would be well founded when there are a variety of valid reasons for nonreplication to occur?

  • refranck

    A most interesting article, and also interesting comments.  I’d like to pick up some threads in the comments by tdr75, bghansel, adrianoesch, and fdhorowitz.
     
    Seems the incentives are obvious.  To get tenure, one must get published.  To get published, one must have positive results — despite the persuasive case for negative results also being valuable.

    Hence, there is a clear motivation to make the subjects behave in the manner desired by the one running the experiment (my paraphrase of a comment by B.F. Skinner).
     
    If the status quo is unsatisfactory, I’d offer the following modest proposal for improving it.  Universally adopt the following principle:  Reproducing others’ work “counts” (in some real sense) for promotion and tenure – with, of course, confirming results counting the same as negative results.
     
     

  • MajorRetard

    I agree. Medicine is not a science. Nor is so-called “neuroscience”, nor is quantum mechanics. 

  • jk_comments

     then they would unfortunately learn the wrong thing: alpha=0.05 means that if there is no true effect in a population (that means absolutely no effect) and given some information about variation, sampling error alone will create a significant effect with p=0.05 based on sample observations. As “exactly no effect inte population” is for most experiments a false assumption, p=0.05 does not refer to any real-world probability. For replications the situation is even worse: here you have to calculate the power of the study which you can only do if you know the true effect size. Conservative analyses suggest that many studies in psychology are heavily underpowered, though. You might well expect a higher proportion of non-replications based on power-problems alone, but you cannot calculate the probability.

  • bscmath78

    In the physical sciences there is the general problem that experiments are often difficult to do and often difficult to get to work consistently, even by the same experimenter, in the same lab.  

    In the medical sciences there is the problem that results sometimes are not reproducible or are contradictory.
      
    One research project on illegal drugs used the same genetic strains of mice, following the same experiment protocols in 3 labs in 3 different cities and got some very different results. See “Genetics of Mouse Behavior: Interactions with Laboratory Environment”: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2898651http://www.neurofly.com/NeuroSeminar_files/Science%201999%20Crabbe.pdf
    With a popular science mention here:http://books.google.ca/books?id=gZVaXvKwxHIC&pg=PA105&dq=%22the+differences+were+not+consistent%22&hl=en&ei=UV3dTp7bJaTg0QGisIXQDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22the%20differences%20were%20not%20consistent%22&f=false

    This is why repeated experiments by the same team, different teams and different teams in other parts of the world are important for any experiments that are important to the outside world.

  • bscmath78

    Then there is the case of Jan Hendrik Schön, the prolific star physicist. Other physicists couldn’t replicate his spectacular results, to little effect, but then someone reading his high profile papers reported anomalies, which eventually lead to his downfall.
     
    As usual, no fault was found with his many co-authors and peer reviewers. There were many, since he was publishing a paper every 8 days, on average, in 2001.  
    http://books.google.ca/books?id=ToALIM28uScC&pg=PA27&dq=%22Jan+Hendrik+Sch%C3%B6n%22+%22eight+days%22&hl=en&ei=tFPdTrWIB6Tl0QGJ47SSDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Jan%20Hendrik%20Sch%C3%B6n%22%20%22eight%20days%22&f=false
    http://books.google.ca/books?id=dP7oKntCUUUC&pg=PA144&dq=%22Jan+Hendrik+Sch%C3%B6n%22+%22eight+days%22&hl=en&ei=tFPdTrWIB6Tl0QGJ47SSDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22Jan%20Hendrik%20Sch%C3%B6n%22%20%22eight%20days%22&f=false
    http://yclept.ucdavis.edu/course/280/Schoen.Yin.pdf

    What has changed? 

    Jan Hendrik Schön’s mistake was to publish very high profile results in an area of intense industrial/commercial interest which would result in experiments trying to replicate.

  • bscmath78

    refrank, contradictory negative results should be worth at least 3 times a positive result confirming the results of someone famous. Rooting out error should be highly prized.

    One of the most famous experiments in Physics is the 1887 Michelson–Morley experiment, which failed to find evidence of the luminiferous aether.

    Another famous experiment is Louis Pasteur’s famous experiment where he failed to find “spontaneous generation.”

    It should be noted that if Pasteur had used different materials his experiment would have found “spontaneous generation” because the heat used was insufficient to kill certain microorganisms.

    The young scientist should seek to slay the theories of the elders, to be David to the tenured Goliaths.

    “A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact.”

    - T.H. Huxley, in a completely different context.

  • dwl_sdca

    “Further a failure to replicate does NOT mean that the effect is false or
    that the original researcher did something wrong.  It *might* mean that
    the effect is false, but there are many contributors to a lack of
    reproducibility, and all of them are important to understand.”

    Not the least of which is the possibility that something important to the outcome was unrecognized and unmeasured in the original study — and that unmeasured factor was not common in the population of the replication study.

    Unable to replicate could be a generator of new hypotheses.

  • bscmath78

    There is the problem that in certain fields somewhat consistent results are achieved by using highly inbred test subjects – fruit flies, rats, mice etc. that aren’t even representative of their own species, but often breed for specific experimental purposes.

    As I wrote previously:

    “The SAT/ACT based college admissions process reminds me of the story told in Statistics, 3rd Edition, by Freedman, Pisani and Purves (all at Berkeley in 1998), about Robert Tryon’s rat breeding experiments at Berkeley.

    Tryon selected and bred two strains of rats based on their abilities in solving rat mazes. He produced a strain of “maze-bright” rats and a strain of “maze-dull” rats. The “maze-bright” rats were superb at the maze test, so much better than the dull rats. But very interestingly, the bright rats were NO better than the dull rats at ANY other test of
    rat intelligence!

    In a sense, Tryon created an elite, highly selective university for rats with a verified highly competitive admissions system.  And it did consistently produce rats great at solving the maze Tryon provided (it is not indicated if they would do well in mazes at other labs). Forthis narrow purpose it is irrelevant that rats were no better at anything
    else and may have been no good in other people’s mazes. It is also irrelevant that the “maze-bright” rats failed to improve after about 9 generations from the start of the selection and breeding experiment.”

    In at least one version of the story the “maze-bright” rats were only at good the specific maze that had been selected on, but not other mazes or any other test of rat capabilities.  In another version, more than 20 years later descendants were better on other mazes, but what might have happened over those many generations of rats that was not documented?  For a sample of various versions of the “maze-bright” rat story have a look here:

    http://chronicle.com/article/Harvard-by-Lottery/131322/#comment-484775851

  • darccity

    So what. What if there were no field of psychology? How would humanity lose (other than an absence of an easy major for women to be sucked into so they’ll have no career future)? At a huge percentage of universities, by far the largest major is psych, despite psych grads consistently earning the second lowest. Worse yet, psych specialty fields like industrial organization and environment psych have become a dominant portion of business programs, often taught by psych PhDs out of psych texts — the core message being to bamboozle customers, employees, and suppliers into acting against their own interests. In education, psych has played a large role in the scadalously irrelevant curricula of education schools. And finally, the phoney ed leadership doctorates (chock full of low-level psych methodology) has polluted the ranks of high school prinicipals and college admistrative flunkies.

  • dwl_sdca

    Given that the null hypothesis is true, the p-value is the probability that a test finding or _one_that_is_more_extreme_ as that which was observed in the study. The highlighted part is important. But the p-value issue and the likelihood that the finding was merely the result of chance are not the most important factors.

    Consider that negative findings of similar studies were never published or even submitted. We have no clue as to the number of similar studies that were conducted.

    As I point out below, the real issue to me is the possibility that something unmeasured yet vital was the key to the finding. An unsuccessful replication can suggest a need for further examination of all differences in the two study populations.

  • bscmath78

    tdr75, it is joyous news that psychologists recognize that their papers are in large measure worthless.  It seems like proof that for most psychologists it doesn’t matter if what they publish is true or not, otherwise there would be no need to have a special effort to reproduce the results, because if truth mattered to psychologists and funders there would already have been multiple replication attempts.  

    This activity ignores the aspect of poor statistical analysis which results in the  “plug-and-chug” approach and publication on p< 0.01, in some cases without much attention to whether the results are of any practical significance, instead of "statistical significance," which can be achieved via having a large enough sample.  

    It sometimes seems you could publish that eye of newt provided statistically significant improvements in the CLA scores of undergrads, without people paying much attention to the practical significance.  It may be that the statistically significant result is only a 1% difference in means.  It might mean that 33% of students did worse, 33% stayed the same and 34% did better.  CLA itself might be a highly dubious measurement and your experimental design might have been questionable.

  • bscmath78

     tdr75, it is interesting that you mention economics given the laments about the disconnected nature of econometrics.  How much reproduction of economics theory in the actual world or even in the stock market? 

  • bscmath78

    tdr75, I agree in general with your comments, I am just adding some additional aspects, which are all geared to showing the present deficiency of psychology compared to the history of the physical sciences (at least as taught in high school many decades ago).

    Because Newton had tenure and was naturally secretive, it took Halley to cajole Newton into coming up with his Theory of Gravitation, or at least writing something down.   This theory was in fact quite controversial in some circles since it involved a mysterious “action at a distance” and failed to explain its source. 

    It was largely a mathematical theory that provided a mathematical rationale behind Kepler’s results.  It is probably the Halley’s Comet return prediction that was most convincing, since it provided a  prediction that was proven true. Newton provided Physics you could use to do calculations that provided predictions that could be checked.

    Henri Poincaré discovered that the Solar System could not be proved to be stable. Newton can’t even be used to solve the three-body problem except approximately (that is partly why space shots have to do “course corrections”). Henri Poincaré even discovered his proof that the Solar System was stable, was wrong and told people. He was still awarded the prize

    Anomalies in the orbit of Uranus result in the discovery of Neptune and other anomalies resulted in the discovery of Pluto.  Anomalies in the orbit of Mercury failed to result in the discovery of Vulcan, but instead resulted in Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity which modified Newton’s classical theory.

  • marklarson

    Politics or motivations aside, conducting replications of published work sounds like a great idea. Now if journals in all fields would stop publishing research using non-random samples of college students…  Because that’s “results” that will be unlikely to be replicated!

  • weirdscience

    I take issue with the claim that psychology does not have “aspects that can be uncovered by using the scientific method.” Your main argument against this seems to be only that human behavior is noisy and that individuals learn from repeated exposure to the same conditions. The scientific method, applied to human behavior allows us discover important patterns in how people respond to conditions. These patterns do not allow us to perfectly predict individual behavior, but they do help us understand how individuals are most likely to respond. This knowledge allows us to decide how to teach people new skills, help them make better food choices, rid them of debilitating phobias or overcome severe addictions. To dismiss the application of the scientific method in psychology because it doesn’t lead to perfect predictions at the individual level is to dismiss a large body of research findings that can and have been used to dramatically improve people’s lives.

    Replication in psychology does not mean putting the exact same person in the exact same situation, because that is impossible. However, if similar people are put in a similar situation and, on average, respond the same way, then that suggest that the underlying theory is supported. Psychology is often accused of having “physics envy” but the only reason for this envy is that it would satisfy critics like willismg who fail to see value in theory that doesn’t lead to perfect prediction at the individual level.

  • bscmath78

    tdr75, continuing with Newton.

    Isaac Newton went on to continued success in spite of the inability of others to replicate his experiments with prisms.  Attempts to replicate were complicated by Newton’s inaccurate/misleading/partial reports of his experiments and apparatus.  See “Leaps in the Dark” by John Waller:

    “Newton’s 1672 letters to the Royal Society gave wholly inadequate directions for replicating most of his experiments. For the majority of the tests he mentioned, the distances specified for the gaps between prism and window, board and prism, and prism and wall were only vaguely expressed.” 

    Robert Millikan went on to a Nobel Prize in Physics for his oil-drop experiment, which others had trouble replicating. Millikan had claimed that he had published all the data in his experiment, when he actually only published the data that matched his theory.  See “Einstein’s Luck: The Truth Behind Some of the Greatest Scientific Discoveries”, by John Waller.

    The important point is that people tried to reproduce both Newton and Millikan and reported when they failed.  The fact that others with modern equipment and a precise cookbook can reproduce the results, does not alter the problems faced at the time.

    Then there are the very suspicious Boyle vacuum pump experiments that apparently would only work when Robert Hooke, the assistant, was there to manage the vacuum or air-pump. Apparently it was all innocent, just the problem of finicky experimental equipment requiring the close attention of its builder.  But then both Boyle and Newton were secretly alchemists. 

    “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”
    “Who will guard the guardians?”
    “Who watches the watchmen?”

    See more in my posts relating to a case of scientific fraud starting here:
    http://chronicle.com/article/Despite-Occasional-Scandals/129997/#comment-379909553

  • bscmath78

    darccity, psychology provided a vital source of “bird courses” like “Abnormal Psychology” for engineers, at least in earlier decades.
     
    My guess is that in the era after reading serious novels died out and before reality television triumphed that psychology provided a painless way of trying to gain some insight into the behavior of people.   It was also probably aided by the fashion for Freud, Jung and others.  The enormous success of pop psychology, therapy and self-help probably helped.

    You wrote, “bamboozle customers, employees, and suppliers into acting against their own interests. ”

    Propaganda, PR, Psych Warfare, Advertising and Marketing are areas where psychology theories are tested. I’m not sure how effective they were. Goebbels and Leni Riefenstahl don’t seem to have been psych majors. Edward Bernays did come out of the Wilson Administration’s WW I propaganda machine to create “public relations.” But it is unclear to what extent the successful just use theory as a shiny gloss to sell their personal intuition.

  • refranck

    Rejoinder for bscmath78.  No doubt negative results from replications are more exciting, but giving them extra credit near-term introduces the same sort of perverse incentive we now have.  Seems to me the incentive system should be neutral with respect to positive or negative results — for both initial studies and attempts to replicate.  An incentive toward negative results is quite possibly just as bad as an incentive toward positive results. 

  • bernardjsmith

    I think those who want to dismiss the social sciences including psychology as outside of  science are invoking an incredibly scientistic approach to the scientific method. In the hard sciences the objects of our inquiry are PERCEIVED as acting as if they themselves are not engaged in sense making but that is not always (ever?) the case in the social sciences. Not only are we sometimes engaged in ignoring and controlling the sense making activities of others, sometimes we actively dismiss the sense making activities of those we study and at other times in other fields and disciplines we work to try to understand the sense made by others. In my own field (sociology) some of us are even engaged in understanding our own sense making. In any event when we work with sense making subjects and when we treat ourselves as constructors of meaning and not simply as reporters and readers of texts written by nature we can still do science but our subjects are rich, intricate, and very complex.
    And those in the social sciences would seem to adopt incredibly scientistic approaches when they invoke the same kind of accounts (of literal causality and the like) as those in the hard sciences. It is the coroner who “causes” the suicide, the hospital committee that “creates” the medical error, the CDC that makes us “obese” – a very different way of thinking about “causality” than the ways that physicists and biologists think about causality.
     

  • rpm13

    I have never been a fan of exact replication because conceptual replication with extension adds more value for about the same effort. Science is cumulative and self-correcting in the normal course of events. Still it’s quite possible that standard research methods have become biased toward positive findings and I applaud the empirical approach and massive effort that I found at the Reproducibility Project website. My prediction is that we will end up with some reforms of standard practice which older social psychologists might find reminiscent of the Greenwald era at the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. One concern is that too many areas of study (e.g., longitudinal studies, small group experiments) won’t pass the project’s feasibility test for replication.

  • http://twitter.com/muswellbrook muswellbrook

    pffft. This will just confirm that most psych studies are underpowered. Average beta of psychology studies is about 0.52. Thus, I expect they will replicate something less than 50% of the published works. No big deal if you understand stats. Nothing to see here that a careful meta-analysis of power in the same journals wouldn’t demonstrate (at most, the replication project will provide more reason to report effect sizes in studies, rather than only p-values).

    see this youtube for why replicability is not related to p, but beta! http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/is-psychology-about-to-come-undone/29045

  • arrive2__net

    Sciences that want to get it right have to be ready to be tested, or go bust. I say good idea, Nosek.

    I think a lot of people are assuming that there will be some major failure to replicate, but of course the results aren’t in yet. As Nosek suggested, a failure to replicate in this context could reflect a fault in the original research, or in the replication. 

    It appears that many of the replications may have to be done on a shoestring, and I wonder if that could affect the accuracy of the outcomes.

    Psychology is the human institution through which we try to understand the human mind and human behavior, and psychology is not afraid to ask the big questions here. It is a great thing for the field to establish a lack of fear of such challenges.     

    Bart Schuster
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  • masdev_seu

    What’s to say he won’t just fake his results just so he doesn’t make psychologists look bad. That’s probably his whole reason for doing this project. He’s just gonna make all the research he checks seem real on purpose.

  • Dan Kahan

    drjoes56– p = 0.05 does not imply 1 in 20 studies will fail to be replicated. In fact, it doesn’t imply anything about what the non-replication rate will be; for that you need a type 2 error standard, not a type 1 standard, which is what p < 0.05 is.

    Consider this simple point: If a study rejects the null hypothesis at p = 0.05, the likelihood that it will generate a result that rejects the null hypothesis at p = 0.05 when repeated is … 50%. What should happen only 1 time in 19 is a finding of null or nill (or whatever is considered null/nill as a practical matter; that's what you figure out when you develop a type 2 standard). The conservatism reflected in the covention of "p < 0.05" *contemplates* that there won't be replication or won't be anytime soon or soon enough to make it safe to invite someone to believe something unless one is really really sure. But once you have a "finding" that rejects the null at any specified level of significance, then anything that one finds thereafter that *isn't* null/nill *no matter what the p-value of that result is* is a corroboration of the original finding rejecting the null.

    My point isn't that there aren't a lot of published studies that reflect specious or spurious results. It's only that there will be lots of specious or spurious findings of "nonreplication" if people don't actually know what they are supposed to be looking for.

    I'm sure Nosek *does* know what to look for, & hope that he is able to make sure that those in the project do too,

  • http://www.facebook.com/vulcanchick Caitlin Data Parker

    As a psychology researcher, I cannot express how excited I am about this. We absolutely need this to be going on. 

    Hopefully, similar undertakings will occur for biomedical research, and folks will turn their eyes on the natural sciences as well – I know from experience that they share this problem with us, though fortunately it seems it is not to the same degree. 

    We have a responsibility as scientists to hold ourselves and our colleagues to a far higher standard than we have.

  • drmhp

    Are we not concerned about the quality of the replications? I am familiar with the content of these journals – some of the studies undoubtedly feature unique samples and experimental/applied settings that would take considerable time to effectively replicate. The author of this post isn’t clear on when this initiative began, but if it is to be completed by the Fall it would seem to be a pretty ambitious timeframe for producing quality replications of this many studies. Even given the fact that this appears to operate as an open collaborative effort…

  • willismg

     My experience has been that almost any field that uses the word “science” in its title doesn’t really have much to do with science…  Political Science, Computer Science, Social Science, etc….

    Extending the definition of “science” so that the original intent is derided as being too scientistic (is that a word?) is tantamount to claiming that “when I use a word it means exactly what I say it does.”  (Apologies to Lewis Carroll).

  • bscmath78

    Back in 1993 Nalini Amabady and Robert Rosenthal published this paper on how 6 second SILENT video clips of instructors teaching allowed Psychology students to evaluate Psychology instructors with a statistically significant relationship to the evaluations done by students who actually attended the whole course.

    http://faculty.fortlewis.edu/burke_b/Senior/BLINK%20replication/teacherthinslicing.pdf

    The paper gained some fame by being referenced in the bestseller “Blink” by Malcolm Gladwell.

  • bscmath78

    In a lot of fields, 95% of what is published is not worth reading.  Face it, if it wasn’t worth attempting to replicate by a separate team, it wasn’t worth doing in the first place, let alone publishing it.

    This is a facet of the way “publish or perish” has worked out.  It was already seen as a serious problem way back in 1964 in a popular science book published by Life Magazine. 

    “The Scientist,” by Henry Margenau and David Bergamini:

    “Antidotes for a flood 

    While some scientists see automation as their last-ditch hope for coping with the mounting flood of words, others argue that the best way to control the output is to cut it down. In many universities and industries, promotions hinge, in part, on the sheer bulk of a scholar’s published papers. The pressure to ‘publish or perish’ clutters scientific literature with items of small consequence masquerading under pretentious titles. Authors of scientific papers, say the reformers, must learn to police their own productivity, and scholarly reviewers — who traditionally do not attack another man’s work unless it contains actual errors— should go further, praising genuine contributions and puncturing empty ones.”

    “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”
    “The more things change, the more they stay the same.”

    - Alphonse Karr, in 1849

    And why have things not improved in the years since 1964 and instead worsened? 

    We might look to: 

    “Cui bono?”
    “To whose profit?”

    - Cicero

  • Defenestrator

    I love how the article says that this effort is about protecting psychology as a science and not tearing it down, and then the headline just completely ignores that stated motivation and the “stay on message” advice.

  • Bernecky

    What’s the condition of a group of individuals every one of whom has come to expect others, outsiders, to pony up for re-examinations of conclusions…because those conclusions have no use, serve no purpose, and will otherwise never be tested or even known to exist?

    The pursuit (psychology) *might* have something going for it if the experiments were assigned, similarly to the way experiments are assigned to those who engage in real science (or an art that results in either life or death): medicine.  

    What if everybody’s funding depended upon someone’s discovering a link between 9/11 and Iraq, so that there’d exist evidence in favor of the war (if not in favor of a brain in every body that’s held down a chair in Congress since 9/11), which war has taken the lives of thousands of individuals…a couple of whom, if they weren’t exactly pulling for psychology, may’ve been willing to feed a few psychologists.

  • panacea

    I didn’t think he was snarky, and he pointed out that failure to replicate does not mean either fraud, deceit or anything unethical.  Sometimes bias is unconscious.  Sometimes flukes happen.

    Difficulty in replicating results can be as informative as the original result itself, and is an important part of the checks and balances of scientific research.

  • http://twitter.com/rogerskyy Kyle Rogers

    Not a fan of the direction the comments took. I think double checking work is always important and if someone has the time to do that then more power to them. With anything there are going to be different outcomes whether it be a cancer research study or psychology but it’s important to get the information right. So I say bring it on mass peer review!

  • nelsonpreacher

    This is no surprised, every research must be verifiable to check if the claim is true or not. Just like the recent research on coffee. Some says it lowers your blood flow in your brain others say it stimulates your brain. But to say that psychology as a science is to come undone is preposterous.

  • 5768

    Measurements can be accurate and not precise, precise and not accurate, both accurate and precise, or neither accurate nor precise.

    How can anyone discover “true stuff” in the event trials are merely reproducible?

    Most of us in the physical sciences know that science itself runs amuk when it claims to establish “absolute” truth no matter how reproducible our trials.

    Determining outright fraud is one thing, but I sense aspirations to (physical) scientism by this Reproducibility Project which itself appears to labor under false premises.

  • 22067030

    This is an entirely different barrel of fish.  The “publish or perish” rule results in a lot of papers that practically no one reads and have little effect other than cluttering up libraries (and not even that now that we have online subscriptions) and getting people tenure.

    On the other hand, the papers that had an effect in climate science were widely read and had a major effect.  Whether you dislike current trends in climate science or not, it would be very silly to dismiss the controversial papers in climate science as vita padding.

    GLMcColm

  • calgrad

    “Not the least of which is the possibility that something important to the outcome was unrecognized and unmeasured in the original study — and that unmeasured factor was not common in the population of the replication study.”

    Isn’t this just a longer way of saying that the original study, if it asserted there was a connection between some cause and some effect, was wrong?

    I’m a sociologist, not a psychologist, but don’t psychology papers usually have the form “We did X, we observed Y, and we conclude Z”.  If somebody else does X and doesn’t not observe Y, then Z has been _disproved_ if the second study was done properly.

    Yes, there might be a confounding effect.  Yes, much can be learned this way.  But the conclusion of the original study is now known to be wrong.

  • bscmath78

    For some of my previous critiques of “Academically Adrift” and CLA please see posts starting here:

    http://chronicle.com/article/Academically-Adrift-The/130743/#comment-437779649

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/richard-vedder-on-the-ills-of-higher-education/28716#comment-156293507
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/the-revolution-of-rising-expectations/28804#comment-164271291
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/rigor-in-the-business-school-guest-post-jason-fertig/32657#comment-157246585
    http://chronicle.com/article/The-Self-Exam-That-Higher/128543/#comment-282472182
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/too-much-for-too-little/30220#comment-297275019
    http://chronicle.com/article/Academically-Adrift-a/126371/#comment-156687418
     
    For related material please see posts starting here:

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/headcount/a-president-urges-his-peers-to-reclaim-the-conversation-about-liberal-arts-colleges/29908#comment-493736701

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/campus-cfos-are-right/29787#comment-246226619
    http://chronicle.com/article/A-Perfect-Storm-in/126451/#comment-154352120
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/onhiring/politics-is-killing-us/29663#comment-334191983
    http://chronicle.com/article/44-Billion-Ought-to-Buy-Some/126812/#comment-168648719
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/pell-mell/28873#comment-167608793
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/against-relevance/38096#comment-284724578
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/the-university-of-stonehenge-part-2-of-3/30451#comment-323063660

    Please note that the above threads include other posts by me on other aspects.

  • bscmath78

    For evidence that in 1976 Berkeley statistics students were intellectually superior to most of the statistics TAs that were inflicted upon them:

    http://chronicle.com/article/Negotiators-Reach-an-Impasse/131534/#comment-496668008

    For the parallels between SAT/ACT based admissions and Tryon’s “maze-bright” rats:
    http://chronicle.com/article/Harvard-by-Lottery/131322/#comment-484775851

    For an illustration of how poor a predictor of college GPA that SAT can be, even with a SAT Math range of 300 to 800, for a single year, at a single 4 year university, for all Computer Science majors for 3 semesters, see the subthread starting here:
    http://chronicle.com/article/Harvard-by-Lottery/131322/#comment-483721868 

    SAT Verbal was worthless. SAT Math predicted 6%, while High School Math marks predicted 19% of the cumulative GPA.

    For an illustration of the parallels between NCLB and the Revised Code of 1862:
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/5th-avenue-percussions/30953#comment-372249648

    For an example of how college seems to cause loss of civic knowledge, at least according to the ISI’s tests, please see this subthread:
    http://chronicle.com/article/College-at-Risk/130893/#comment-450329553

    For reasons why ed schools should not be trusted, see various comments starting here:
    http://chronicle.com/article/Negotiators-Reach-an-Impasse/131534/#comment-496611616

    For my critique of the misuse of medical admissions statistics to promote the Humanities:
    http://chronicle.com/article/The-Liberal-Arts-as-Guideposts/130475/#comment-430281277 
    http://chronicle.com/article/The-Liberal-Arts-as-Guideposts/130475/#comment-430829706

    These might all be examples of why some results are not tested or replicated. People aren’t interested in the answer or don’t want the answer. It gives the impression that if something provides an undesirable answer it best that no one know about it or that it be vigorously spun to support a particular agenda.

  • bscmath78

    For some of my “Inconvient Truths” including: 

    Inconvenient Truth #15: Many Vocal Professors Study and Learn Little About Student Studying and Learning

    Inconvenient Truth #13: College has never been about academic studying and learning for 90+% of students. See my comments starting here:

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/12-inconvenient-truths-about-american-higher-education/31282#comment-413784773

    Some other inconvient information:

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/worldwise/the-future-of-british-higher-education/29203#comment-458227785
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/worldwise/britain-threatens-its-economic-future-by-cutting-university-support/28897#comment-367658953

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/is-history-bunk/41263#comment-362465102
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/is-history-bunk/41263#comment-361952058
    http://chronicle.com/article/Millennials-Are-More/131175/#comment-466161828
    http://chronicle.com/article/Eric-Kandels-Visions/131095/#comment-463468438

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/supersizing-obamas-higher-education-agenda-part-1-of-8/31632#comment-444791785
    http://chronicle.com/article/The-RiseFall-of-the/131036/#comment-458034609

    Attempts to dispell myths about Virtue:
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/higher-educations-increasing-disdain-for-virtue/31505#comment-433095518

    Attempts to dispell myths about STEM:

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/the-grad-school-decline/44759#comment-464356252

    http://chronicle.com/article/Work-Life-Balance-Is-Out-of/131111/#comment-462878291
    http://chronicle.com/article/Work-Life-Balance-Is-Out-of/131111/#comment-462905084

    http://chronicle.com/article/White-HouseUniversities/130699/#comment-433240406
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/re-engineering-engineering-education-to-retain-students/28745#comment-444960976

    GI Bill and education:

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/no-don%e2%80%99t-idolize-dropouts-but-dont-idolize-graduates-either/31795#comment-454701614

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=829027695 Erin Rey McMichael

    As a social psychology grad student, I see nothing wrong with this. If someone is willing to replicate a study, I say kudos to them. As long as they replicate it exactly the way the original author intended the experiment to be run. The “sad” part that Dr. George Curious mentioned might be that they are targeting social psychology. Sure, that makes me a bit sad too. All research disciplines should be targeted. But alas, as tdr75 mentions, if your research is ethical and sound, why worry? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=829027695 Erin Rey McMichael

     ”it is joyous news that psychologists recognize that their papers are in large measure worthless.” OUCH. :(

  • undrgrndgirl

    i hope they go after the pharma journals next!

  • undrgrndgirl

    and sometimes researchers ARE deceitful.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2MPNLYZORRKBGUHNUHBEJ64F7Q Mikio067

    Most psychology is a load…we all know that; and most psychologists only support “new” ideas in the subject that are politically correct, because, hey, many of them are affiliated with the local college or university, and they aren’t about to bite the hand the feeds them (you know…grant money and all that).  It’s all garbage.

  • BenGladden

    Bravo to Professor Nosek. I have always considered Psychology to be a pseudo science that is heavily influenced by political correctness and group think.

    Take, for instance, recent studies that indicate that anyone opposed to homosexuality are latent homosexuals themselves. Poppycock!

    “Homophobia” is a contrived word to ridicule and bully anyone opposed to normalization of homosexuality in forms such as gay marriage, because a phobia is an irrational fear and opposition to homosexuality is neither a fear nor irrational. Regardless of what recent biased studies have shown.

  • BenGladden

    The nature of Psychology make “exact” replication impossible. Psychology is not an exact science.

  • CrazyHungarian

    “Psychology is not an exact science.” therefore should have read: “Psychology is not a science but an area of study, like philosophy and anthropology”; that’s why it ends in -ology.

  • BenGladden

    Tell that to the many people, including many psychologists, who think or act like it is a science.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ron-Watson/100000138336774 Ron Watson

    Science is in deep trouble.  Too much politics and PC too little actual science being done.  It is good to see that some scientists have realized that they must begin to police themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003668961870 Suibne Geilt

    Psychology, Ed. Psychology, Social Psychology, the entire profession and its contents are utter fictional nonsense. It’s a literature course and has had horrible impacts on all spheres of American life based on air. Get rid of the Psychologists and the the Political Scientists for the same reason.
    suibne

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003668961870 Suibne Geilt

    think of the effects of the scientific method on say……….writing a song……or cooking. We are dealing with the human PSYCHE here. The problem has never changed regarding the mind.
    These guys are one step removed from high priests of cult ritual. I am being nice.
    suibne

  • JohnnyTwoDog

    If Psychologists have not been reproducing results of studies to confirm findings then it is not a science, it’s philosophy. No other science passes of findings that cannot or have not been reproduced as fact. Except for “climate change” science. But that is also a philosophy, not a science.

    Tree rings and tea leaves, the stuff of fortune tellers, not scientists.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EULJSGCOKLISJJZU44IZ52RBLM john

    Double speak alert!

  • Alan Wizntzer

    Psychology is not now nor has it ever been a science. Really, the idea is laughable. I could write more, but what is there to say? Psychology, especially in its attempt to explain human behavior and treat aberrant behavior, is nothing more than the philosophical musings of academics and would be gurus. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YFC6ZXFKQ7BNPCEQN6OAEFATYA RobertB

    “sad”?  Why is any emotion involved whatsoever?  The emotion that drives genuine scientists is the passion to discover the truth.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YFC6ZXFKQ7BNPCEQN6OAEFATYA RobertB

    Anyone who doubts the results of his study will be free to replicate it. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YFC6ZXFKQ7BNPCEQN6OAEFATYA RobertB

    Science is not self-correcting if there is not continuous replication.  I had assumed that all published studies were routinely subject to replication attempts .. to learn that minimal verification exercise is controversial has me pretty much discounting EVERYTHING coming out of the field of psychology.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YFC6ZXFKQ7BNPCEQN6OAEFATYA RobertB

    If there are a variety of valid reasons for nonreplication to occur, then why would anyone waste any time actually reading these studies and journals?   Perhaps the bar should be raised for publication so that the wheat is not lost in the chaff?  What good is new knowledge if no one knows it? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YFC6ZXFKQ7BNPCEQN6OAEFATYA RobertB

    So if a psychologist harms a patient using knowledge based on unreplicatable studies, is he off the hook because he acted on knowledge that was published?  How can anyone possibly not be alarmed at the possibility that studies that deal with health and well being are not heavily vetted?  There were Congressional hearings over the possibility that the published outcomes of game shows and published rankings of popular songs on the radio were false – how can there not be hearings on something that actually matters?!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TW5ODE565VM7Q6PGMER7VAWR6M Sturdley

    Gee.  Next, they’ll be suggesting “reproducibility studies” in climate science…  Where will it end?

  • johndburger

    This is not unique to psychology, most of the “hard” sciences have the same problem.  The article notes that only 6 of 53 landmark cancer studies could be replicated in a recent effort.  This is a major problem with science in general.

  • johndburger

    This would be great, just like world peace.  The “incentive system” in many fields includes patents, venture capital for startups, textbook authorship, etc.  Nobody gets any of that for negative results.

  • KevinRonaldLohse

    Where it ends atm – in the courts.

  • http://twitter.com/weeal36 Alan Underwood

    Interesting and great thing for the scientific method