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China and the United States: A Tale of Two Views on Education

June 7, 2011, 4:26 pm

The following is a guest post by Gilles Bousquet, dean of the division of international studies and the vice provost for globalization at the University of Wisconsin at Madison.
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Beijing–“We will be hiring dozens of new faculty across disciplines. Would you have some Ph.Ds ready?”

I was asked this question during a recent meeting with representatives of a top-ranked Hong Kong university. I soon learned that Hong Kong’s eight major universities are seeking to hire about 1,000 new faculty as quickly as possible!

When educators in Hong Kong and China talk about their plans for growth, it’s hard not to appear dumbfounded. Thinking of the sudden, massive retirements at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, the struggling U.S. economy, the deteriorating public support for higher education across the United States, and unyielding demands that we must do more with less, I could only blink and nod my head. But I needed an answer for my Hong Kong friends: Yes, we have Ph.Ds available.

At the end of a two-week trip to China and Hong Kong to attend conferences and foster relationships, two themes stand out. First, all major universities in China are building or have just built grand, well-financed campuses to handle an influx of students, both domestic and international. Second, China has embraced the conviction that education is the key to everything. Both of these themes contrast starkly with the reality in America, where universities are facing cutbacks of hundreds of millions of dollars and higher education increasingly is taken for granted.

“Education is everything here,” said one senior leader. This particular colleague, who had worked as a professor at UW-Madison, now is a senior administrator at a Hong Kong university.

In addition to its Hollywood glamor and Wall Street dominance, America is admired across China for its university rankings. “We want top-ranked universities,” people say, “like you have. Your universities are gems; they are treasures.”

But are American preeminent universities, these treasures, now coasting along on their reputations? Are they en route to becoming ivy-covered facades? Our doctors and scientists who come to China are discovering labs and facilities here as good as or better than what we have. What will be next?

All is not lost: We still have greater flexibility, which allows students to change majors and rethink goals. We still are better at teaching critical thinking. We still have academic freedom protected by tenure. We still have a tradition of excellence and the brand of our storied universities. (I must note that the University of Wisconsin has tremendous brand recognition across China.)

Will China soon achieve these kinds of intangibles? After traveling here and witnessing the remarkable progress that Chinese universities have made in such a short time, I cannot help but wonder what boundaries will fall next in China’s national pursuit for top rankings.

All of this means that we in the United States cannot assume that our universities will always be the best in the world. We cannot ignore the erosion of our national and state investment in education, all while maintaining our belief that the best jobs will still be there for our graduates and the most far-reaching discoveries will still be made by our scientists. We cannot make these kinds of assumptions at the same time China pours resources into its own already-good system and actively entices the best graduates from around the world.

Why should this matter to the general American public? In a word, jobs. I have already heard from some of Wisconsin’s most dynamic global companies: If our educational system cannot provide the top talent they need to compete globally, they will hire people from elsewhere—perhaps China. If we take America’s great universities for granted, it is possible that the students coming out of the new, dynamic Chinese universities will outperform our graduates.

Yes, we have the Ph.Ds that schools in China and Hong Kong sorely need. We want them to go there, to thrive and to make valuable connections that benefit individuals and institutions on both sides of the Pacific. We just don’t want them going to Asia because they see no future in America.

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  • sarahebel

    Who lands in your Final Four under those scenarios?

  • http://twitter.com/LisaRead LisaRead

    So, gzappia4, that was quite an assumption, with nothing to back it up, and you clearly didn’t read my (long) commentary, because I commented on the pyjama situation. Not that I think that’s the deal breaker either way. And sometimes “Folks” WHO write long commentaries do so because they are passionate about the subject.

  • rentedname

    Neat idea. Why stop with humor? Now I want to create a (valid) online assessment that determines whether one should be teaching online.

  • rentedname

    One of the buzzwords that fits well with online education: microcopy. You should be comfortable with microcopy!

  • robjenkins

    Good one, Chris.

  • whm3113

    I kinda thought this WAS a valid assessment.

  • arrive2__net

    How about “You think distance learning is just a cash cow no one really cares about”.

  • david_balch

    I loved the post and the replies. They came it just the right time to put a little humor in my day.
    Like many professors, I live their fantasy – drinking a cup of coffee, sitting in my “p.js”, not sitting on the freeway for an hour each way, having to clean up the classroom since my prior user was just wayyyyyy tooooo busy to do that dull work, and on and on.
    Are there problems? Yes, but my guess is those are more related to the professor than the delivery method.
    Well, back to my coffee :-) and I think there is something on my BIG screen TV that needs my attention and my cell phone is ringing, but I think I will just let it ring.

  • mmcknight

    -You have never Skyped.
    -You don’t know how to use a Mac.

  • minnesotan

    Agreed. Students will contact you when they feel like it. If you’ve never let them have your cell number (and good on ya for that!), then just have a look at the email timestamps from their messages for a week. You will note that they do not distinguish between AM and PM when they want an answer. I really don’t feel like fielding questions about “What did I miss in class today?” at 4:30am on a Tuesday.

  • profalbrecht

    You probably shouldn’t teach online if you have a dial up modem.

  • profalbrecht

    You probably shouldn’t teach online if you have a dial up modem at home.

  • gplm2000

    Sorry, but the author has no clue as to what is involved in online teaching. First, one has to differentiate between regular non-profit on-campus colleges using online tools, and for-profit online schools. The former is not “teaching” online for the most part since there is a classroom with a live instructor/professor. HUGE difference. The latter operates online assignments, grading and lectures all of questionable benefit to the paying student, or should I say the federal govt. taxpayer. There is no favorable comparison as to quality of instruction, quality of students, or intent. For the most part for-profit online colleges are a sham.

  • gplm2000

    Nope. The quality difference is big. Teaching in your slippers is not the same as standing in front of students in the lab/classroom face-to-face, either for you or them. I have done both and the latter is a far superior way of learning.

  • gplm2000

    Nice comments, well-written and popular. However this statement is meaningless: “Finally, no matter what the delivery method, education is ALWAYS about the learning, so I will agree with the point you make there.” You assume that by calling something education, then it always results in learning. Nope. The delivery method is important. Even in the classroom some live instructors are horrible. Online for the most part the schools provide easy assignments with lower standards of achievement. The for-profit “colleges’ thrive on seducing marginal students into spending thousands of dollars for a degree that no entity recognizes. Labeling something education or, for the children, has helped put our whole educational system move downward.

  • richardtaborgreene

    It is extremely hard to change the thinking level of entire nations.   You have to get all media for example to report on different things and the FRAME what they report differently.   You have to have plural competing differing sources of funding and support for development so no one idea dominates.  You have to have corporations and agencies where people work that choose who to employ for their idea quality and who to pay and promote more by the quality of their minds.   Some of this goes on now in China and some of this does not go on there.    BUT at the top, their leaders, particularly the generation now 40 to 50 years old—-see USA top 20 universities and are determined to get China top 20 universities as well.  They now have the will and resources to do it.   So the task is really hard.  Imagine hiring a generation of your own population as professors who were not PHD qualified, and they, that generation, then hires the next generation who are PHD products of the guidance of that first under qualified generations.  THAT is JAPAN—they hired ONLY within Japanese population so their first generation of professors thought college was just bigger better high school.  THAT is Japan’s colleges—bigger better high schools, with reading virtually extinct, at all levels.   China at least is bypassing that error by hiring thousands of properly trained PHDS who had decent guidance ,if not great guidance, in real PHD programs with at least a modicum of reading/comprehensive-exams required.  Japan has YET to try that.   As a result you have bigger better high schools in Japan competing with real colleges in some parts of China.   There are good people, even great people, in Japan’s universities and some new departments are world best in their field due to LACK of bad elements in US university life (plus their tuitions are 1/4th US levels for 80% the same education or more = good deals).    However, the system as a whole becomes just bigger bettter high schools if you hire within your own nationality before having great PHD guidance resources in place.  THAT is China’s biggest danger, going the Japan route.   THey may be smart and global enough to avoid that.   Let’s hope they succeed and inspire more support in Japan for the leading parts of Japan’s system that have by huge effort gotten themselves beyond the level of the system as a whole.   

  • http://twitter.com/dhisusanti Dhina Susanti

    We (Indonesia) should not get left behind. This is getting way beyond ahead of us!!! 

  • czander

    Its not about Ph.D.’s its about how to deliver education to the masses. Consider India given
    the demand for secondary education (considered high school and junior college) they will need to increase the numbers to be educated from 17 million 2008 to
    57 million in 2017. 
    In addition India is attempting to achieve a university enrollment increase of
    30 per cent by 2020.  To meet these goals
    the traditional way (brick and mortar) would require the addition of 700 universities
    and 25,000 schools and junior colleges with an addition of more than a million
    teachers, 15,000 faculty with  Ph.D’s in management
    and over 30,000 Ph.D’s in engineering (Pathak, 2011). They cannot and will not
    build institutions or hire thousands of professors that they do not have,
    instead they will use electronic means to deliver the needed education.

    Consider
    one method they will use- NPTEL is a joint venture by Indian Institution of
    Technology and Indian Institute of Science established to deliver education in
    engineering throughout the country using curriculum based video and web
    courses. This allows a single experienced professor to reach thousands of
    students. Each course contains materials that can be covered in depth in 40 or
    more lecture hours. In addition, 110 courses have been developed in video
    format, with each course comprising approximately 40 or more one-hour lectures.
    Students have access to 129 web courses in engineering/science and humanities
    and these offerings will continue to grow.

    India will also deliver distance
    education courses through so-called study centers where students go to take
    online and televised courses. If the student does not have access to television
    or the internet at home they walk to the local study center. Many of these
    centers are franchised operations owned by locals. The Indira Gandhi National
    Open University has over 2.4 million students with 3,000 study centers. Other
    players in distance education are: Punjab Technical University with 1,200 study
    centers; Sikkim Manipal University with 750 study centers and Maharishi
    Dayanand University with 759 centers. At present here are about 100 online
    universities and the number will continue to grow. In addition these online
    institutions stream educational content through the third generation (3G)
    mobile telephony using the satellite-based Very Small Aperture Terminal (VSAT)
    Technology and Broadband, and McGraw-Hill is developing a platform to teach
    English and test preparation on cell phones and of course they use YouTube and
    FaceBook. NPTEL has around 4400 videos on You Tube contained in 120 courses and
    2.6 million viewers. Indian corporations are also participating in higher
    education especially in the areas of pharmacy, engineering and medicine. This
    is how India will educate its populations and do it inexpensively.

     

    No 12 hours a week studying for these students

    No bear blasts that go from Thursday night to Sunday

    No 110,000 students and alums at the football game

    And

    No $200,000 diploma

     

  • aaronlemay

    Churchill once said, “The empires of the future are the empires of the mind.”  The best investment a country can make is in education because with it comes the improvement of economic, government, and social sectors.  China appears to be making the investment to build the next great empire.

  • wilkenslibrary

    Do we have any doubt that our former idea of higher education as a public good has been replaced by the ideology of the companies running this country who see education as a way to produce compliant workers?  Funding for research is at an all-time low, unless there is deemed to be profit in the research.  Full-time faculty have been replaced with much less expensive contingent faculty who only infrequently have institutional support that allows them to do research.  Degree completion has become the goal rather than learning or subject mastery or the ability to think creatively and problem solve.  I fear that we shall reap what we have sown.

    Betsy Smith/Adjunct Professor of ESL/Cape Cod Community College

  • colliersesg

    Interesting article on the dynamics of education and how US universities are perceived.  Colliers Education Services Group participated as an exhibor at the recent Association of Private Sector Colleges and Universities (APSCU) 2011 Convention where General Colin Powell spoke about China and other countries ‘elevating the wealth of their people’ so they are able to receive an education.  The concept of this is limitless….  While the ultimate result of all this may end up being that highly populated countries become World Powers far in the future, and that the US may not dominate as a World Power, the US will always be envied for our spirit of freedom and the American Dream. 
    Rosanne Meier
    Colliers International Education Services Group

  • bradjing

    I teach for a language institute in Beijing, one that is a branch of a major university, and in my experience students’ critical and creative thinking skills, as found in second tier Chinese Universities, are hardly in the same league as that found in the States.  Many students who don’t get into the elite universities attend for-profit institutions of “higher ed”, that appeal to spoiled children of wealthy businessmen.  But even Chinese students attending some of the better universities can hardly speak a lick of English upon graduation.   Be careful of generalizations about “Chinese” universities; they vary as much if not more than graduates from “American’” universities.  However, the math/sciences are a different story.  China may be hungry to employ qualified PhD’s from the West, but Chinese students seem even hungrier to study IN the West.

  • richardtaborgreene

    not when the money leaves

  • schmitzhaj

    This calls to mind the Space Race of the 1950s to 1970s. During this time in the United States, significant financial resources were poured into research and education in an effort to “win.” The race has now come to an end, at least for U.S. space shuttle missions. However, there is a legacy of technology and advancement. Perhaps the “higher-ed-athon” has now begun.

  • hieddigger

    Another official attempts to close the barn door.  The President of our institution makes clear each year that he will not tolerate cases of physical and sexual abuse.  He did not wait for another institution to have a problem to make stopping abuse a CEO priority.

  • butteredtoastcat

    There may be more to the story:

    Penn State coach accused of pimping out boys to rich donors

    Mark Madden, a Pittsburgh sports reporter and radio personality, claims
    that Jerry Sandusky used his Second Mile charity to pimp out young boys
    for rich donors.

    Mark Madden, a radio personality on 105.9 The X went on WEEI in Boston
    and added more flames the fire at Penn State. He claimed that Jerry
    Sandusky used his charity, Second Mile Foundation, to pimp out young
    boys for rich Penn State donors.

    Read more: http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/ne…#ixzz1dLnBoFzy

  • jffoster

    I suggest the NCAA’s having chimed in may be a crass attempt to exploit this situation for their own ends. NCAA is losing power and respect. They have some absolutely idiotic rules, they have no control over the conference shifting going on, they have precious little control over the BCS system, and are terrified of losing control over the March basketball playoffs.  So they try to assert some authority in this case.

  • 11250382

    What does this say about the characters of these men? All of those involved. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/lymanhager Mary Ann Lyman-Hager

    The Penn State scandal is far different from others that have emerged in recent times. The adherence to the unspoken rule of taking matters just to the next level up (and not breaking rank or violating the chain of command) seems to have been in operation at PSU.(Then)  graduate student McQueary took it to coach Paterno, who took it to Althletic Director Curley, who took it to President Spanier (or am I leaving someone out here?) In a democratic society, this is not a good model for correcting abuses.  There are too many possibilities for someone to drop the ball  Social media may have a role to play in flattening the hierarchy and revealing injustices and crimes when they occur, not leaving the process to chance discovery (or deep sixing) by someone in the “chain of command.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000830991719 Chuck Lambert

    opps.

  • jeff_winger

    So wait: should I drink red wine or not?
    ;-)

  • newyorkyankees

    Red wine is supposedly not good for us now? Neither is anything else, so what’s the difference?

  • pxfragonard

    I’ll drink to that!

  • schafwr1

    I don’t know if resveratrol specifically, or red wine in general, have any demonstrable health effects. I do know that I’m sad when I run out of wine and a nice glass of merlot pretty much cures that. (Since this is an academic journal I guess I really should cite Ron White for that paraphrase.)

    The evidence to date is so spotty you should make your decision to drink wine or not for the same reasons you did before this possible health effect was “discovered.” I like it and do not abuse it. That’s all I need to know until there is strong evidence either way. The larger story here for me, and the only one that’s really worth discussing, is the incredibly poor understanding of evidence and the scientific method that has dominated this discussion in the popular media.

  • davi2665

    Das is one trivial component in the investigation of the health benefits of red wine.  His disgrace should be thorough, and his fabricated research should be exponged from the literature.  A detailed analysis of the remaining literature, completely devoid of any influence from Das, should be undertaken and a decision made regarding the next steps for serious, evidence-based research.  There is more at stake than cardiovascular issues.  Some studies from UC Irvine’s Cancer Center were looking at resveratrol as a potential chemotherapeutic agent, separate from the absence or presence of any cardiovascular benefits.  It is appropriate that the dishonesty of Das not torpedo the entire field unless the evaluation of the collective body of scientific evidence points to the fabrications of Das as central to the entire set of claims in the field.

  • Socratease2

    Who cares, I don’t drink red wine because it will make me healthier or live longer. Just the opposite, it helps me forget that I am still here and if I can drink enough of the fruit juice of the gods, I hope to avoid making it past the point where I am feeble, infirm and demented. Worked for Gallileo, it can work for me.

  • commentarius

    Woe to any person who tries to extend healthy life by managing his/her consumption and lifestyle according to the “latest” scientific research.  For any body of literature claiming benefit from something, another body of literature will soon contradict it, if it hasn’t already.  Worrying about such disputable minutiae will put you into an early grave, resveratrol or no.  And the system is so totally gamed by Big Pharma that all medical research is open to question.  It’s all about money, not health.

  • nontraditional001

    Faking data is a disgrace to the scientific research profession.  I think the wine industry is safe.

  • http://twitter.com/wineguy354 Wine Guy

    Drinking red in CA Wine Club and it is fantastic.