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Woodbury U. Banned From Second Life, Again

April 21, 2010, 8:57 pm

Woodbury University’s virtual campus in Second Life was torn down yesterday by Linden Lab, the company that operates the virtual world, and the accounts of several students and professors were blocked. The tale involves virtual superheroes, accusations of vandalism, and conflicting ideas of what a campus should look like in a virtual world.

“Linden Lab has decided to no longer support Woodbury University in Second Life,” said an e-mail notice sent to Edward Clift, dean of the university’s School of Media, Culture & Design. “We are making this decision based on historical and recent events that constitute a breach of the Second Life community standards and terms of service. We ask that you please respect the decision and do not take part in the Second Life platform in the future.” No further details were provided.

This is the second time that Linden Lab has removed Woodbury’s virtual campus. About three years ago, the company wiped out the university’s presence, saying that the university had violated the unspecified parts of the terms-of-service agreement. The university decided to rebuild through a reseller of Second Life land, though by doing so it no longer received Linden Lab’s education discount. Woodbury says it was paying about $1,000 a month for the virtual land.

Yesterday Mr. Clift found his account on Second Life banned, meaning that his virtual alter ego, MC Fizgig, was no more.

Linden Lab officials refused to comment on the matter when contacted by The Chronicle. But the reason appears to have involved a longstanding dispute between avatars affiliated with the university and a group of online vigilantes called Justice League Unlimited, a reference to comic-book supeheroes.

Here’s what happened, according to an account posted online by Peter Ludlow, a philosophy professor at Northwestern University:

For years Second Life has been occasionally struck by online vandals, known as griefers, who stage disturbances in the virtual spaces, such as placing giant swastikas in public areas. In response, some users decided to seek justice and help get griefers kicked off of Second Life. Their group, Justice League Unlimited, is led by an avatar named Kalel Venkman, who is designed to look like Superman.

Woodbury has long encouraged anyone to use its Second Life campus to try experimental activities. At some point, one or more griefers became affiliated with the university in Second Life. The Justice League, concluding that Woodbury was responsible for the misbehavior, lobbied Linden Lab to block the virtual campus.

In an interview today with The Chronicle, Mr. Clift said the university had never encouraged or condoned vandalism. Its virtual campus included educational spaces designed mostly by students, including a mock representation of the former Soviet Union and a replica of the Berlin Wall. “It was a living, breathing campus in Second Life,” he said. 

The professor said he felt that the virtual campus did not conform to what Linden Lab wanted a campus to be—with buildings and virtual lecture halls. And, he said, company officials objected to letting any users become affiliated with the virtual campus, whether or not they were enrolled at Woodbury. Mr. Clift said he felt that allowing a diverse group of participants and setting up an open facility was the best fit for the university’s mission.

“Woodbury is sick of this,” he said, referring to the ban. “Our brand is being maligned, and our 125-year mission is being trampled on.”

Jordan Bellino, a senior at Woodbury who had been an organizer of the virtual campus, said the incident suggests the dangers of online meeting spaces’ being run by companies, which get to decide who participates and who doesn’t. “It took years and thousands of dollars to make that [virtual campus] happen,” he said, “and it all vanished in a matter of an hour because Linden Lab pushed a button.”

Meanwhile, many people in Second Life expressed on blogs that they were glad to see the virtual campus go, arguing that it had been a haven for troublemakers in the virtual world.

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49 Responses to Woodbury U. Banned From Second Life, Again

sblackmun - April 21, 2010 at 5:26 pm

Does Second Life clearly set forth the rules for building and maintaining a campus there? Did Woodbury transgress known and well-publicized rules? Or did Linden Lab swoop down on Woodbury in an arbitrary way that the university could not have predicted? In other words, is this about a TOS violation or freedom of speech?

rivenhomewood - April 21, 2010 at 6:39 pm

I’ve been active in the SecondLife education and library communities for almost 3 years. My understanding is that there has been a sustained pattern of multiple violations of the SecondLife Terms of Service by persons who are associated with Woodbury’s SecondLife campus. These violations are said to involve disrupting the activities of other residents and/or reporting them for imagined TOS violations.Reputation is everything in SecondLife, as it is in most online communities. Woodbury has one of the worst group reputations on SL. The closest real life analogy might be a university campus that is widly believed to be a base for planing and excecuting acts of terrorism. It’s sad that their respectable faculty and students should also have to suffer for this. I have spent quite a while debating whether I should stay silent and not draw the attention of those who enjoy making other people’s lives miserable, but I finally decided somebody needs to say it.Disclaimer: I have several SecondLife friends who are members of the Justice League United.

wayfinder - April 21, 2010 at 8:16 pm

I will state up front: I am no fan of Linden Lab. I have seen them pull some unethical and even (allegedly) illegal stuff in my day. They currently have two major lawsuits against them, one of them Federal. That stated, in my 5 1/2 years on Second Life, I have seen griefers run over everyone on the system. While I have not personally had dealings with Woodbury, I have seen groups such at the W-Hats, Patriotic Negras and others run wild on the system… and Linden Lab taking far too long to remove such sociopathic nuicances from the board. In each case I have seen, griefers proclaim innocence and oh-so-hurt attitude, and use exaggerated phrases exactly like, “Our brand is being maligned, and our 125-year mission is being trampled on.” LOL 125-year mission? LOL> Poor babies, oh so mistreated!I have no personal experience with Woodbury. But report from associates indicate it was basically a centralized organization of griefers that used a fancy facade to mask their activities.I think Linden Lab is finally… finally sending out a message to their users: We do have a TOS and we are now going to enforce it. Unfortunately, that TOS is one scary document that gives the term “fascism” a modern-day meaning. (From what I hear Linden Lab is re-examining the wording of that document I certainly hope so). Nevertheless, this case drives home one point: groups will beheld responsible for the activities of their members. If they continue to allow known griefers to remain a part of and operate out of their group… they can be held legally responsible. Like it or not, the face of computer law has changed. “Griefing” is no longer just griefing… it is now classified as a “computer hate crime” with very real criminal consequences. Those who regularly engage in such activities may come to find that being banned from Second Life is the least of their worries.

jaden - April 21, 2010 at 8:20 pm

I have been to Soviet Woodbury/Woodbury Universty in SecondLife. For me it was a quite Educational experience. I actually met other avatars who were just like me, Geeks, and nerds, and people who taught me a little about photoshop, it was great.Woodbury/We get trolled all the time, accused of a bunch of accusations, that is how I first found out about woodbury university in SecondLife. Yes I asked questions myself, I took a look at their simulator, and saw nothing but accusations, and JLU Spreading lies about them, and constantly griefing, and disclosing/Logging without concent of all parties.I myself got banned from woodbury once mistaken as A troll, but unbanned because I dont troll people and it was a simple process of talking to the owner, which is a very nice and respectful person. I trust in woodbury, and I trust that Linden Lab will restore their estates, as they did nothing wrong.Linden Lab cannot expect us all to monitor everything a resident does themself, that is not our responsibility to make sure that a griefer, or hacker doesnt come into an estate and use PHP attacks on outside servers from SecondLife. It is Linden Lab’s Responsiblity, They cannot monitor the trolling and all the griefing 100% They try their best, and everything.I myself Listend to all the woodbury accusations OMG They copybot they Make Hacking programs, I went there scanned everyone, I found No Evidence of anytype of content theft at all, just accusations. As for the trolling, Yes trolls come there sometimes, and They spam objects around, Something we all cannot control. Those users who intentionally do that are usually estate banned, However when an estate manager is unavalable it is not their responsibility to take action, or their fault…Linden Lab’s offical comments on trolls like these are thisTurn off object build to prevent griefs, and Turn off Scripts to avoid php outside server attacks ect. But setting it to a group, and making it open enrollment so people can express themselfs on campus would mean that trolls would just join spam break tos. LInden Lab should hold individuals responsible for their actions not The people they have banned for no reason.IF Linden Lab wants to look at something look at thisEmerald, and Their top secret copybot Onyx Project which gives them power.JLU who tries to enforce SL TOS But breaks it themselfs…And then Last Skills Hak Anti Copybot system CDS who is also partnered up with emerald team.Bottom Line is These guys break tos themselfs help cover it up and are Given the blessing by Linden Labs for trust. They need to be stopped, and shut down permently period no exceptions… OR Restrict all sl logins from all Viewers Other than SecondLife Developed by linden lab.

johnnyluchador - April 21, 2010 at 9:49 pm

whatever, you guys are so jaded. Lets face it, you all know it and would have to be idiots not to know all the crap Woodbury University did(WU). I like the statements, “some trolling”, I spit out my coffee reading that. 94% of the group was kids trying to over attempt to be funny but failing due to their lack of tact. Not just were they untactful griefers, acted like 12 year olds spitting out meme after meme after meme because of their unoriginality, but they were not very smart. You say that the administrators couldnt do anything if they were around, another statement I laugh at considering all the admins did was promote bringing more into their ranks and bragging about their 4 sims and how “elite” they were.Which has always been fun to prove how inferior they actually were. Here’s the fact, and I’m not supporting WU one bit (bunch of homeless orphans now – stop showing up asking for a home), but Linden Labs won’t stop anything because they can’t. You can ban ips, hardware ban, perma, suspend, but people are too clever over their system and always come back. Linden Lab should just stick to trying to control a monster they created, which cannot be controlled or changed because there’s always people who will do whatever the hell they feel like doing. That’s the problem when you make a GAME that’s open sandbox.

prokofy - April 21, 2010 at 9:59 pm

Jeff,You do not appear to have done much journalistic investigation on this matter, and you should check with past Chronicle journalists who have covered this story and just do some cursory Google searches to find out that you are only getting a highly biased version of this story from some long-practiced dissemblers. Part of the griefing stunt in Second Life of Woodbury University’s Prof. Clift and his many “students” including Jordan Bellino is to feign self-righteous indignation and to portray their harassment, stalking, destruction of property and actual real-life crimes as “art’ or “education,” and to frame it in a narrative that liberals can identify, with a corporate “oppressor” and Tragically Misunderstood Artists in a “progressive” community. All of this was planned and calculated and WU knows *exactly* what they were doing in trying to stage a drama of “oppression”. They’ve actually suffered no losses as all of them had third-party rogue viewers that could easily copy their own and others’ content, which they cynically demonstrated many times over — and they could easily move this to OpenSim or other grids with the reverse-engineered software of Second Life.The story that Jenkins and Ludlow are peddling now bears no resemblance to the actual state of affairs in SL, it’s merely a sort of “mash-up” or pastiche that they’ve concocted in a kind of elaborate role-play. They’ve gleefully seized on the fact that a superheroes’ role-playing vigilante group that itself violated civil rights principles in their pursuit of griefers make up a kind of “national security versus terrorism” metaphor that they can endlessly milk for themes and analogies in their meta media theories of text and context blah blah.The reality is much more banal, like evil tends to be. These new media majors at MU are members of deliberate griefing groups, neither injured nor innocent, the worse organized criminals of the Internet — 4chan, b-tards, Anonymous etc. They have cost other users of SL hundreds of real dollars in losses for downed sim time when they crash them, disupt events, and force tenants out of rentals due to their harassment. This is all known and documented. A number of community groups have been assidulously abuse-reporting the griefers and urging Linden Lab to act, and not to tolerate serious and systematic cyberbullying that might seem “pixels” but leads to real-life losses. There’s nothing “educational” about any of this if you just take the time to tune in and study the details.Here’s my account of the events as one of the people whose business and customers have constantly been harassed by this group:http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2010/04/happy-140th-birthday-vladimir-ilyich.htmlThe removal of sims and expulsion from SL of Woodbury University, after a previous removal and “permaban” and provision of a second and third chance is not a violation of any ethics or rights or norms in a free society. It’s proper administration and addressing of criminality that prevents other people from enjoying their rights. Talk to real educators in SL, not fake ones, there are hundreds of university sims now. Talk to the people harmed by these griefer groups, not only to the perpetrators. Talk to real academics and analysis of virtual worlds, not those already documented as notorious participants in this hoax you have fallen for once again.One of the key elements of the cynical and nihilist ideology these people promote is to claim that those who don’t lock down sims and stock up on all kinds of security devices and security-state like activities are themselves to blame if they are griefed. The fact is even those who turn on autoreturn or group-only can still find themselves griefed by these people who override the regular settings with rogue third-party viewers. Furthermore, the solution to cyberbullying is not to create locked-down, admit-only lists and undo the open university or the open society. Rather, steps can be made to discipline and prevent those who use the tools to harm others and get them to stop. I fail to see why I can’t run an open rentals group open for anyone to join on demand on open mainland sims, and would have to retreat to expensive private locked islands just because of griefers. They can and should be disciplined under the TOS and it is good that Linden Lab has finally begun to crack down on this long-festering problem.Some of the posters here trying to distract attention from Woodbury to the JLU or Emerald are of course failing to note that Woodbury and Emerald cooperate directly and JLU is infiltrated.The message of the freezing of Woodbury University is not “groups will be responsible for their members” as if there is an adoption of “guilt by association”. Rather, the message is, groups that spend years and years, after being permabanned and then let back, endlessly harassing others, with hundreds of alt accounts and hundreds of permabans, many of whose active online members are continually found in fact to be harassing, stalking, sexually abusing and disupting others on SL, who continuously use their invite-only group to invite racist, abusive, serial griefers and coordinate and plan and participate in numerous raids and disruption of events, who routinely crash viewers and sims and engage in numerous TOS violations like prim litter and planting of self-replicating prims, etc. *cannot expect* to invoke the “no guilt by association” rule of a liberal society. As in any liberal society, they will be treated as a criminal conspiracy — a gang — and will be dealt with under the law. Linden Lab is no democracy, and its TOS is unconscionable and has become more so. It’s hardly an ideal environment for free societies to thrive, our online worlds where we spend more and more time. This will have to change with real life laws and real-life scrutiny by institutions of society, including Congress and agencies like the FTC. But in this case, as in others where Lindens have suspended or banned people for harming others, Linden Lab has acted properly. Those claiming to be covering the university as an institution in a free society need to see all the issues here and not keep listening and posting the manipulated version of those making a closed society.If Clift was worried about his “brand being maligned,” he should have refrained from appearing in SL himself in blackface like a racist minstrel with memes of the notorious griefing group “Patriotic Nigras”, and restrained his “students” from spewing pictures of aborted fetuses, tortured animals, goatse, tub girl etc on other users of SL. The Woodbury group in SL has harmed their own brand by their own well documented actions and continuing to lie about this only discredits them more.It’s also worth discussing where the good professor was “going” with the replicas of Nazi and Soviet builds, uniforms and battles. These were not history lessons, these were celebrations. Making a sim called “Soviet” and another one called “Estonia” and gleefully and maliciously posting that you were “annexing” the Estonia and marching around in Stalin outfits is perhaps a tasteless “art project” for one day; perhaps a “practical joke” for another; perhaps “helping the children refine their Photoshop skills” for a third. But for four long years in a virtual world, it is the banality of evil, the jackboot stepping on the face, over and over.

jaden - April 21, 2010 at 10:48 pm

I myself am a (COPYBOTTER)OR would be considered as one because I use a Rogue Viewer. I refuse to use emerald because of the rumors about it,that their team Downloads your XML Files when you save your content to your hard drive, The team collecting Debug Data without concent, and how long profiles and ect. in SL takes to load, my own Problem, and I would not expect Linden Lab to judge any group Based on what I do, because I have never used it to violate Copyright Laws, although in everyones eyes, I would be just another thief, so I dont make my SL name public. I am totally against Copyright Violations though, but Like having all the Extra Features, and perks.Well lets put it this way. Private Estates are sold Privately for a reason. if a person wants to put a Giant Volcano, or a Giant Pen** then they are more than welcome to, it does not violate TOS.Woodbury to me is Great, Yes Even woodbury got attack by a bunch of Griefers, like Mario Spam. When I saw the Owner Tizzy there, she Banned the people who were doing this stuff, and she was a responsible person. She did not premit people to use illegal viewers, and if anyone felt anyone was using an illegal viewer, or commiting Copyright violations, You should have filed an abuse report with Linden Lab.Not everyone has the time in SecondLife to watch and monitor security. I know myself that I monitor griefing all over the grid, the Big events like Thieves Motherload, The hacking OF BloodLines, The Goream meter cheats/Hacks, and many other things. I also file proper abuse reports to Linden Lab, when things are noticed, and leave it in their hands to deal with the issues. I trust Linden Lab myself…People who claim that woodbury were just a bunch of griefers are wrong, I got two griefers personally ejected from woodbury myself with evidence, and Filed abuse reports against them.Question.What if I went on vacation from SecondLife for one month, and I left build on my land, and My group open enrollment with no one else in charge, and trusted everyone to be mature, and then people came onto my estate, and started Hacking, Using my group Tag to commit tos violations, and other things, OR I gave an officer rights and trusted him to monitor things he invited a griefer gave him officer rights, and they griefed big times and they wouldn’t deal with it. Would Linden Lab rip my estate away from me, and Ban me just over other peoples actions? I honestly dont think they would…———-People who claim emerald, Skills Hak, and JCool are such good people, this is not true. they are all working togeter to take over our grid which is why I hope that Emerald doesnt get offically approved. They use onyx, and with emerald on the approved list, any of their developers could make a copybot verson of emerald, and take over the Grid easily, which was also posted on the Herald.http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/04/emerald-viewer-76000-unique-users-could-be-wrong.htmlSimply put you cant trust networked ban systems, or one admin group who has control over everyones region… You have to give those rights to sim owners only, and Make it fair to detect all clients, and kick all clients they wish including emerald or anything other than standard SL. This gives individual Owners Rights, and Does not violate TOS under Slander. ————–For those of you Who are in Anti Copybot Groups, I pity you, Your groups who have been here since 05/06 have been infiltrated by Copybot, and ROgue Viewer users themselfs, People who are very Trustworthy, its just people are too blind to see that these type of witch hunts hurt us all…———–Also I got news for everyone.Unless Linden Lab Fully Restricts logins from Any And all Other viewers other than SecondLife Made by Linden Lab, then People can still easily Spoof Any Client they wish and Login to it, Use fake mac address/sl freedom Easily Spoofed and can get banned as much as they want, Copybot stuff pass it around wont end.———–Thieves Motherload.A Secret no one wants anyone to knowThe Creators who were displaying the stolen content were offered a way to track all the copybotters around the Grid who stole from dozens of merchants.The Creator of Woodshed Designers, RH Engel, and Rebel Hope, who allowed displaying to creators on closed sims, Declined help from someone I cannot name who in 09 had the ability to track who re uploaded, and premissions exploited using a exploit in Linden labs security hole. as a result dozens and dozens of stolen content was given out. Also stroker was contacted and part of this they all refused to help.So even some of our creators in SL are dumb, This witch hunting, accusations without proof, accusing big groups are hurting us all and need to stop. Unlike CDS, we have proof that their system Violates privacy rights, and Bans Unfairly without proper controls, along with working with emerald team, ect.———-I cant say who or how, but I will say this, The rumor on the str33t is that Skills Hak’s invetory was downloaded not too long ago, and his coding for CDS has been leaked…So Yeah i keep an open eye around things, and if it is true I will find out about it.

jaden - April 21, 2010 at 11:02 pm

Sorry for the spam no way to edit the last one );Another issue in SecondLife is Linden Lab has full control over TOS maybe, But you all know that Linden Lab Violates Real World Trademarks, and they allow it to happen all the time within their service.SecondLife is nothing but another pirating Bay. #1 In world real life movie rentals Profiting in Linden Labs servers to launder money.#2 Stealing of intellectual Property Trademarks.Gorean, Star Wars, War Hammer, World OF Warcraft, Final Fantasy, Rikku, Na’vi, ect.Even if it were renamed some of these idea’s would be too simular to allow in SecondLife. So who keeps Linden Lab in check?I know that if a person like movie producer, or Song artists files a DMCA report about stolen content of theirs in SL, Linden Lab will be forced to remove it, however what do they do when there is so much of it that it cannot be all properly identified within SecondLfe? If they remove what is claiming to be infrigged also then the people who have purchased such content would loose their money real life too.So we have serious issues here guys, Linden Lab breaks law too, Now its a debate between uploaders, and Linden Lab, ect. But Linden Lab Stores the data on their servers.Also the lack of no copyright education in schools. When I download a song, or record music I dont see any copyright claims heh, but again thats the good old age of technology ect. Too many ways to circumvent.

hunsvalen - April 21, 2010 at 11:57 pm

“Guilt by association” is a logical fallacy. Anyone with basic debate skills or who cares to spend five minutes on Wikipedia (or is simply willing to do a little critical thinking) can figure out that blaming someone for what someone else did is illogical, even cretinous. If anyone reading is unaware of this phenomenon, here’s a URL with some pretty easy-to-understand facts about the association fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacyI was not involved in the meeting between Linden Lab and Woodbury, so I can’t comment on specifics of why the action was taken. I did hear second (or third) hand that LL declined to state any specific reasons or incidents behind the ban. They are usually very tight-lipped about these things. In the old days they said it was to protect abuse reporters from retaliation. I don’t know if this is still a part of their corporate communication, but it’s lamentable that their idea of a justice system is not at all transparent. Transparency provides checks and balances, discourages abuse of that system, and provides visibility into the system that can be used to correct procedural and other oversights. Checks and balances exist in real justice systems because human beings are fallible, and allowing them to watch over other human beings without such safeguards will inevitably lead to miscarriages of justice. If an account is to be banned, there should at least be some presentation of hard evidence and an opportunity to refute that evidence.They did sell Woodbury University several simulators last week, which is curious, if their aim was to ban the university this week.As for Prokofy, most of what she writes is full of logical fallacies; she likes to libel people on her blog and then ban them if they attempt to respond. She is not interested in any kind of honest debate, and most people do not take her positions seriously. Anyone with elementary critical thinking skills can dissect most of what she writes and find repeated examples of this. Her beef with what she refers to as “griefer groups” is that some fraction of the people in those groups sometimes harass her. Most adults understand that people are not responsible for what other people do; yet she would have an entire group banned, even if some of the people (such as myself) do not violate the TOS or CS. And, really, if you can be banned without breaking the TOS or CS, then why do these documents exist? People read them because they want to know what is expected of them. We read them in good faith. They should be presented to us in the same spirit.Like a chimpanzee or a junior high student, she is unable to understand that it isn’t everyone’s responsibility to take on her causes and hate her enemies. She claims that it is the responsibility of people such as myself to chastise and attempt to control members of groups we are in. In fact, it is not. I agreed to the TOS and CS for myself when I signed up. I didn’t agree to it on anyone else’s behalf, nor to be bound to the consequences for actions over which I have no control. I didn’t agree to be anyone’s surrogate father, and I didn’t agree to be a pretend policeman on the internet either. Nowhere in the provisions I agreed to does it state that I must be the keeper of other adults, who are presumably on the same footing as myself when it comes to the TOS/CS, and capable of making their own decisions. If Prokofy is griefed by someone who happens to be in the same group I am, that is not my problem. That is between her, the griefer, and the Lab. She has clearly defined procedures to follow if and when this happens. She can mute, kick, ban, file an AR, use land controls, etc. Linden Lab put all of these facilities at our disposal so that we could handle these situations.Imagine the case of someone in Prokofy’s rental group coming onto my land and rezzing a bunch of shouting prim litter. I do have to deal with that from time to time, being next to a sandbox. If the person doing it was in her group, should I tell her to police this person for me? What a perfectly absurd idea. The correct response is to disable object entry, ban the person, return their stuff, and optionally file an AR. Prokofy doesn’t exert mind control over her group members. She is not responsible for their actions. Presumably she doesn’t coerce them into griefing. So why would she be the person I would go to for satisfaction? Linden Lab is the party who has CONTROL. Without CONTROL, there can be no RESPONSIBILITY. The griefer has control over his or her actions, and Linden Lab has control over his or her account. Prokofy has control over neither. So, again, why would I go to her? And if someone who happens to be in the same group I am bothers her, why would she come to me about it?Take a look at that Wikipedia article. There’s a Venn diagram explaining how stupid the association fallacy is. Are we beginning to see the picture, class? Do I need to explain McCarthyism to everyone? Shall I screen Dr. Strangelove and fast forward to the part where Ripper is talking about preserving our “precious bodily fluids” to drive the point home?As for the JLU/Green Lantern Corps, they violate the TOS on a daily basis, specifically the following sections, and possibly others that I haven’t heard about yet:3.2 – You agree to use an Account Name in Second Life that is not misleading, offensive or infringing. [...] (Example: Kalel Venkman, one of the group leaders – “Kal El” is a name from the Superman universe which he does not have a legal right to use.)4.4 – [...] Intellectual property infringement on the Service is a violation of this Terms of Service, and you agree not to engage in such infringement. (Example: “Green Lantern”, Green Lantern-related art, Superman costumes, and so on, none of which have been properly licensed.)The idea that SL requires protection from people who disregard the TOS whenever it suits them is laughable. They’re like the fingermen in V For Vendetta, supposedly here “for our protection,” but in fact breaking the law CONSTANTLY. One of these groups even runs a private wiki, where they gather intelligence – including really creepy stuff like names, telephone numbers, and street addresses – and distribute it to other group members. What legitimate use they can have for collecting, storing, and distributing such information is beyond me.

prokofy - April 22, 2010 at 12:26 am

The Woodbury saga in SL is definitely not one of “guilt by association”. Huns Valen is one of the guilty and associated who has constantly participated in the huge denial of what goes on in SL and victory-danced every time there was major griefing accomplished where his finger prints didn’t show, but his DNA from W-hat was bearing fruit. That’s all that’s about.When you reach a threshold in a group where all the active people are going around on raids and harassing others, when you have run through hundreds of alts and involved hundreds of people in these griefing raids, you can’t keep hiding behind the “no guilt by association” or “we’re for individual responsibility” guilt-inducing liberal meme. There are also numerous offshoots of Woodbury made expressly to grief, like all the dozens of variants of groups with my name, about chickens, my RL picture etc — why would these groups get to endlessly shield themselves with the “no guilt by association” notion when they were deliberately and expressly made to conspire and grief? This is just basic criminal justice.Often these groups collect 500 people, many of them day-old alts that got banned or bored, or people who tried SL once and left. They then purport these groups are filled with “innocents”. But time and again, we have seen serial hands-on griefers make obvious alts with nearly the same name as the previous banned account and get an invitation into the invite-only Woodbury group. So that let’s us know that it is deliberate, all word-salading aside.I’ve repeatedly used all the available tools to deal with griefing in SL. So have the Lindens, Until now, they’ve only banned or frozen very obviously made nonce griefer groups, but not moved against a “community” that keeps prevaricating that it only has a few bad eggs. That they finally were after 4 years of the most astounding griefing and losses in SL lets us know that even liberalism has its limits. That’s as it should be, because one person’s rights are not endless; under the Univeral Declaration of Human Rights, you cannot enjoy your right if it cancels out another’s right; no one can use one right to trump another — that runs counter to the spirit in which the declaration was negotiated in the first place.Everyone who talks about Joe McCarthy still has to explain why they should give mass murderers like Joe Stalin a pass. If someone believes in Joe Stalin and whitewashes him, why should the historical oppression of someone for their views, which they should have a right to, prevent you from properly exposing and condemning Stalinism? It doesn’t. It’s possible to condemn *both* McArthyism *and* Stalinism; Huns Valen and other nihilist griefers never do. It’s always about the McArthyism; it’s never about the very real Stalinism, in which millions lost their lives.Just because vigilante groups wrongfully gather data and publish it to expose privacy doesn’t then exonerate griefing. It doesn’t. The griefing itself is far worse, and it has to be addressed adequately, just like RL terrorism, without falling into a pit of inaction and quietude and belief that no action can ever be taken due to “logical fallacies” of “guilt by association.Don’t want to suffer guilt by association? Don’t associate with the guilty. When the Lindens froze the group, many rats fled the sinking ship, afraid of losing their accounts. Suddenly, THEY didn’t invoke guilt by association, did they? And the Woodbury leaders urged on their own blog for everyone to leave the group — suddenly THEY did not invoke guilt by association.No, there is only Huns, playing this stale old tune for five years now, smugly remain unbanned as friend after friend of his goes to the paddy wagon. No one is “libeled” on my blog; they may be subjected to blunt criticism and exposure of their malfeasance. Furthermore, I have a simple rule, that if you incite or cause me damages in RL or SL you cannot post on my blog. You don’t have to agree with me; you can post the most vile hate and spew nonsense, but if you have harmed me, you cannot stay. Huns Valen continues to plead innocence and disinform about my rules by claiming he is falsely banned. Yet he knows and I know full well that he orchestrates and sustains the griefing culture of SL and always has, taking care not to be caught.That Huns has implied all this time that he is part of the “non-griefing” part of W-hat, but that he should be able to find out anyway what was said at the Woodbury-Lab meeting says it all, doesn’t it?!

hunsvalen - April 22, 2010 at 2:58 am

Yet again I am accused of being guilty, when I have not violated the TOS or the CS. I haven’t incited anyone else to do so either. Yet again the allegation of “victory dancing” is presented, yet no evidence is given. Yet again we see this tired rant about how it’s my responsibility to police other people in Second Life, but the critical link – the logical connection between myself and the activities of others over whom I have no control – is never explained. Of course, it can’t be explained, because figments of the imagination and half-thought thoughts do not stand up to the cold, indifferent light of critical thinking.If a group is created specifically to grief, and it griefs, then the path is clear: The griefing is against the TOS/CS and whoever engages in it risks losing their accounts. This is already handled as best it can be, short of reinstating payment verification for all accounts, by what we all agreed to. If someone griefs, and they get ARed, the Lindens can look through the simulator and IM logs to collect evidence, and the offending avatars are sanctioned. This is very simple. It isn’t susceptible to half-informed guesses and fabrications and other nonsense, because it relies only on evidence. The Lindens aren’t saying, “You’re suspended for a week because it was personally vouchsafed to me by supernatural powers that you’re a griefer,” or “I have a strong suspicion that you’re a griefer.” They’re saying, “You’re suspended for a week because someone sent in an AR about you calling them the N-word, and when we inspected the server logs, we found it was true.”It’s cut and dry.Let’s look at these words next: “When you reach a threshold in a group where all the active people are going around on raids and harassing others”ALL the active people? Really? You know who all the active users are and you can account for their whereabouts and show us some evidence that every last one of them has violated the TOS/CS? Where is your evidence? What hard data can we review to determine whether your statements are factual? How do we know you aren’t making it all up?I am not hiding behind any damn thing. I don’t need to. Hiding behind things (i.e. walls of text) is your modus operandi, not mine.Now let’s move on to the “oppresion of people for their views.” This is exactly what you are guilty of. You attempted to denounce W-Hat as a group, tarring all with the same brush, and when I pointed out that there were plenty of people in the group who didn’t break LL’s rules, you knew that your original argument had been invalidated. You knew that you had spoken before you had all the facts. What you should have done is retracted that statement, but you didn’t. You then attempted to invent an absurd fiction that would paint me and others as being somehow responsible for what other people did of their own accord, which was just as lame and easy to invalidate as the first.I’m not smug about not being banned. What is there to be smug about? You don’t get a cookie for not breaking the rules.Let’s look at another gem:“The Woodbury saga in SL is definitely not one of “guilt by association”. Huns Valen is one of the guilty and associated …”…and then…“Don’t want to suffer guilt by association? Don’t associate with the guilty.”You can’t just play with words when you don’t like the definitions and facts behind them. You have attempted to paint a scenario which is backed by the association fallacy. You have portrayed me as being a griefer, when I do not grief. You have portrayed me as being a “victory dancer,” whatever that means, without presenting the slightest evidence in support of that. You have claimed that I “orchestrate” griefing, which is patently false. All you have to go on is this intuition that I am somehow the same as the people who harass you, and all of your poorly conceived rationalizations are an attempt to fabricate some structure in which this intuition could be plausible. You aren’t attempting to arrive at the truth, but to win an argument, truth be damned. You’re in this to try to convince people with poor critical thinking skills that you are right. You accuse others of dishonesty, when your entire position is based on guesses and prevarication.Now, let’s see to this – “No one is “libeled” on my blog [...] Huns Valen continues to plead innocence and disinform about my rules by claiming he is falsely banned. Yet he knows and I know full well that he orchestrates and sustains the griefing culture of SL and always has, taking care not to be caught.”According to Wikipedia, this is the definition of libel: “libel [...] is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. It is usually, but not always, a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).”Calling me a griefer and accusing me of orchestrating griefing EASILY meets this definition. Go ahead and try to word salad your way out of this one. I look forward to watching you try.Finally, “That Huns has implied all this time that he is part of the “non-griefing” part of W-hat, but that he should be able to find out anyway what was said at the Woodbury-Lab meeting says it all, doesn’t it?!”Please enlighten us as to what that “says.” Be very specific.

bladyblue - April 22, 2010 at 3:07 am

Been in SL since the start of 2005. Glad to see one more racist group removed from the ranks (these Faculty Leaders and ‘students’ thought it amusing to create avatars with names like *iggerflavored Coleslaw). Enough is enough.

urspider - April 22, 2010 at 11:10 am

“Did Woodbury transgress known and well-publicized rules? Or did Linden Lab swoop down on Woodbury in an arbitrary way that the university could not have predicted? In other words, is this about a TOS violation or freedom of speech?”Linden Lab is busy reinventing itself as a corporate-friendly provider of business meeting space and “Sims” style suburban roleplay–their recent ads show happy white hetero sexual couples building dream-homes.The company has consistently marginalized academia by, most recently, effectively laying off their leading advocate to higher ed, Pathfinder Linden, by removing his position in the company.The Lab has also marginalized creatives by implementing a new viewer technology that makes user-generated content more difficult.Woodbury had a right to do what they pleased on their land as long as they did not violate the company’s Terms of Service.That Linden Lab relies for enforcement on a band of self-proclaimed superhero-avatars is pitiful, and it reflects the end of a promising and creative virtual world as we all knew and enjoyed it. If Woodbury students used racist names and engaged in griefing, then they–not the university–should be punished according to Linden Lab’s established abuse-reporting procedure.I hope the Woodbury admins will look to Open Sim and host their own servers, with the right to back up IP and allow students creative freedom.

johntoradze - April 22, 2010 at 11:42 am

Dear god. You people are serious about this. This actually matters to you. Get a real life.

rptb1 - April 22, 2010 at 12:05 pm

@johntoradze, that “it’s not real so it doesn’t matter” attitude is exactly what has led to this problem in the first place. If someone carried out a concerted, sustained bullying attack on you via Facebook, web sites, Twitter, etc. would you say “get a real life”? Perhaps you are confused by the appearance of SL into thinking it’s a video game and less real than these things. The people administering the “Woodbury” sims are guilty of a sustained bullying compaign that I have witnessed with my own eyes, and which is no less real and no more forgiveable just because it happened in Second Life.

commentarius - April 22, 2010 at 12:17 pm

Gotta agree with johntordadze on this one. Aren’t there enough troubles in the REAL world? All these insane geeks and sociopaths have to make up another world and ruin that one too? It’s not like anyone is being forced to “live” in a dungeons and dragons fantasy world. If some nameless virtual twit is bullying your made-up self, how about just GETTING OFFLINE and going to get a cup of coffee or read a magazine or something, and think about something that actually matters for a change?

rptb1 - April 22, 2010 at 12:20 pm

I quote: “Mr. Clift said he felt that allowing a diverse group of participants and setting up an open facility was the best fit for the university’s mission. … “Woodbury is sick of this,” he said, referring to the ban. “Our brand is being maligned, and our 125-year mission is being trampled on.””This “diverse group” included a bunch of lulz-motivated juveniles who have been waging a sustained bullying campaign. If Clift is worried about the Woodbury brand he should be defending against those people.@urspider, it would be fantastic if the Woodbury group were confined to their own OpenSim where they could do whatever they liked and express themselves artistically. There was some really good artwork in the Soviet Woodbury sim. However, a significant number of those same people wouldn’t go for it, because they wouldn’t have any prey to get their lulz from.

rptb1 - April 22, 2010 at 12:24 pm

@commentarius, SL is not a “D&D fantasy world”, nor is it full of or made up by “insane geeks and sociopaths”. I suggest you learn a little bit about things before you criticise them. Then, when you do criticise them, you might have something valid to say.

prokofy - April 22, 2010 at 2:06 pm

The arguments to the effect that “this is all virtual” and “it’s pixels, not reality” and “get a life” are really irrelevant these days when everyone is essentially online, all the time, and deeply affected by the onlife life. I think the authors of these posts aren’t grasping what is changing about the reality of our human life. Most of us are spending most of our waking hours actually online. We are either sitting at a computer terminal at work, going around with a laptop, or using an i-phone to go online to get email. At night, we come home and sit on the computer some more, playing games, checking stocks, reading blogs. All day long, we are immersed, peering at screens, big or small, and entirely wrapped up in the virtual world of online life that doesn’t have to be called “Second Life” to be virtual, and not “real”. Reality is increasingly a construct that includes virtualization of all types. For a person immersed in a debate on an online forum about an online blog or news story sitting at their computer to tell another person who uses virtual worlds to “go get a life” is increasingly an absurdity. People who make an avatar and go in a constructed virtual world like Second Life are perhaps better able to see how the world of email and blogs and online news and even your Skype video calls in which you send pictures and attached documents are all taking place in a virtual space, the Metaverse which isn’t the same as “meat-world” and is governed by different rules.The rules of this virtual space, this Metaverse, are sadly not the same as real life in the United States of America. Because this Metaverse is constructed of various corporations, big and small, and various Gov 2.0 projects that have merely copied the terms of services of these Silicon Valley corporations. In this virtuality, that more often follows the code of a MMORPG medieval society and not liberal modernism, the First Amendment doesn’t apply; due process doesn’t apply; checks and balances don’t apply; separation of powers don’t apply. The unconscionable corporate TOS governs every aspect of your speech and activities and being online, with no recourse; you are little different than a pre-Magna Carta medieval citizen.We have so valued the unfettered Internet as a tool to access pictures and documents and engage in commerce and socializing that we forget that once we all live here in 3-D, and once we all spend our time here, this absolute anarchy, coupled with brutal medieval oppression, also means unfreedom — lack of free speech due to TOS rules; lack of due process because companies aren’t governments; lack of checks and balances because the entire sector’s makers and coders continue to believe they live within a special magic circle exempt from civlizational norms, where they can propagate ideologies like “the liberation” of all content under Stillmanite free and opensource software values yet lock down free speech under politically-correct leftist codes.So I got news for you: this will be changing. Today, it seems unthinkable that a private corporation could be commanded to make First Amendment standards apply, and be prevented from expelling and banning someone who consistently reported on their malfeasance or their favouritism or their corruption. Over time, this will change, as both government and the private sector come to grips with the fact that the town hall, the public commons, the public space for deliberation are all online. Today, it seems unthinkable that guerilla new-media “artists” — essentially con men with “radical chic” notions — who endlessly claim First Amendment entitlements for themselves (and bully those who practice that right on reporting on *their* crimes) would ever be forced to stand down with that argument in a liberal society once you find that in fact, under criminal code notions, those groups are conspiracies to commit criminal offenses.While some find it inappropriate to compare griefers to terrorists, I think it’s a perfectly apt comparison in *reasoning by analogy* and the study of virtual worlds and griefing creates a perfect petri dish to really find the dynamic springs of what makes terrorism work and how a liberal society can prevent and counter it. The point is not that it exaggerates griefers to the level of fanatical killers who kill real people in real life, or somehow lessons the seriousness of victims of real terrorism to understand that the griefers’ nihilist and cynical *argumentations* and their *methods* and their *ideologies* are similar.For example, everyone is familiar with the role of the ideological mullah in terrorist groups, perhaps some aged and wise and even half blind man who himself isn’t strapping on the suicide belt or isn’t himself laying the bomb but who serves as the spiritual guide, the inspiration, the mentor, the reinforcer, the rewards-giver in a system of terrorism. That mullah is motivated not by cynicism but by deep fanaticism and belief in the justice of his religious views; he perceives harm to his tribe and justifies violence to everyone outside it as necessitated by that belief. Everyone is also familiar with the role of the urban and sophisticated radical leftwing columnist — so different from that conservative mullah! — who justifies jihad, saying that terrorists come from poor childhoods or countries mired in poverty or who suffered from torture — in this case, too, there is a fanatacism, but also often a cynical defiance — how dare anyone talk about Hamas rockets when they have to talk about Palestinian children suffering from malnutrition, etc.And in the same way, Second Life has such figures who both have a fanatical belief in the “no serious business” anarchy of the Internet, to the point that they will violent disrupt and terrorize anyone with a different belief about how the Internet can be used seriously for business and education, and who also devise, applaud, reward, inspire, sustain griefing, but who constantly beg off with a “guilt by association” “get out of jail free” card if they are not found actually pulling the trigger on a self-replicating prim. They may merely be seen victory-dancing later with the griefers revelling maliciously in causing the platform providers annoyance and work and bug-fixing yet again.Huns Valen is welcome to keep spinning his line here about lack of association, although he remains as a member, spiritual guide, applauder, apologizer and sustainer of all these groups, actively participating in keeping these constantly recruiting groups alive. He knows it; we all know it.Huns Valen indeed associates with the guilt; indeed as a famous oldbie, the inventor of an aircraft in a world where everyone can fly anyway, he is the spirit behind these associations of the guilty. Cunning ability to keep one’s fingerprints off criminal acts doesn’t mean one enjoys a moral pass or even a legal pass. Huns knows full well that hundreds of people — literally hundreds of accounts — have committed the most outrageous acts in the groups where he remains steadfastly as a member, for years, chuckling maliciously the whole time. Anyone with morality and a conscience would have long ago departed from organizations that cause other people such harm. Any normal civilized person who still felt some loyalty to his abusive group would still be able to separate himself from the tribe long enough to say “I don’t do that, but what they did is wrong and we should disassociate from them.” Yet he and his group members never do that; they never expel the “few bad eggs” but only recruit new ones; they never condemn bad acts, but ONLY condemn “guilt by association” hoisting liberals by their own petard — they do this because it is tribal politics, and in tribal politics, you do not show disloyalty to the tribe — ever. The modern version of this is even more sinister — the online tribe, itself illiberal and accepting illiberal acts in its midst — will then try to manipulate various values of liberalism, like “no guilt by association” or “art” to keep writing t
hemselves a moral blank check.Huns knows that if he literalizes and Fiskes on liberal values like “no guilt by association” or attempts to find literalist and legalistic notions of “libel,” that he can bat away most easily guilt-trip-wired liberals. He also is typical of Internet forums debaters who love to invoke the chilling threat of “libel,” even though in the U.S., the threshold is very high, where first of all, you could plead a truth defense, applicable here; secondly, you’ve have to show that your statement was “malicious” i.e. that you deliberately told an untruth to harm, and that it was not your own genuine personal belief, and thirdly you’d have to show that material damages was caused not to an avatar, but a RL person in real life. So Huns begins by pleading a liberal value of “no guilt by association” on due process grounds; he ends by invoking an illiberal notion of “libel” rooted in ancient patriarchic norms of “honour” and “respect”.That problem of facing down the enemies of the open society as they try to use the open society’s values, whether “free speech” or “libel” or “privacy” or “due process” in fact to instill radical illiberalism is exactly the problem that the West, particularly the EU and the United States, face with the ideologues of terror, and the architects of radical left-wing causes that develop theories of justifying violence like “defensive jihad”. This is the problem that real life universities and the U.S. government faced, for example, in first denying a visa to controversial academic Tariq Ramadan, then approving a visa for him. These debates aren’t trivial at all in academia at large or any specific university; the problem of griefers versus civilization can be seen at the University of California at Irvine when the Israeli ambassador was heckled deliberately in organized fashion by a radical Muslim student’s organization to the point that the university called police to escort them away. The University of Irvine didn’t have a better solution than the Lindens — they can try to create a free platform, but when the enemies of freedom disrupt it, they are forced to use unfree methods to keep the free platform free. Please tell me if you have a better idea — and that better idea better not involve never inviting the Israeli ambassador to your college.These problems of how to maintain free speech and liberal values fitting for a university are studied in the round, in 3-D, daily, constantly in Second Life which is both a simulation and versimilitude of real life, and a place where people construct alternatives to real life. Instead of ridiculing and dismissing this fascinating media experience with 1.5 million people participating in it from all over the world, every university and think tank and person intersted in the intellectual life of our time should be coming to this platform and helping to shape it. They must. Because we will increasingly be at the mercy of virtuality as it overtakes every aspect of our lives, not only socializing or entertainment but political activism, medical records, reputations. All of these policies for online life now are in the hands of geeks, coders, technological people with very decided ideologies of their own that feel they are not subject to any debate. This is the “Two Cultures” debate of the 1950s all over again, with the science now the over-exaggerated force over the humanities.Second Life has pre-anticipated time and again all the major controversies involving social media that postdated its emergence — privacy, civil rights, intellectual property, governance. These are all worth discussing not only in their own terms, but in the simulation predicting a lot of them and addressing a lot of them in the only way it can improvise on the fly.Linden Lab has not “marginalized” academia by laying off a Linden who had been there for many years who himself was not an academic or educator per se, but an IT guy who worked at Johns Hopkins, who, like many other geeks today in our society, are trying to transform their knowledge of technicalities of the Internet into control of every field of human knowledge that depends on IT. There are hundreds of universities functioning perfectly happy in SL without Pathfinder, as they functioned perfectly fine without him even when he was there, as they didn’t bother to queue up to get to his attention, but just did their thing or found other Lindens. Nor is Linden Lab antithetical to academia merely because they defended their trade mark, which they had provided ample prior notification about, in urging an educators’ online database to stop using the term “SL” in their name. The twin issues of non-specialist IT guys running things and copyright theft are two issues straight out of the geek religious ideology that has tried to remain hegemonic on the Internet and in online culture but which is now rightfully getting some opposition. These issues aren’t peculiar to Linden Lab alone; they are everybody’s issues and especially the university’s.Visionaries like Dr. James Bower explain that the university is disintegrating under the impact of online media and the disruption of traditional education by the intrusive online virtuality of the Internet and its news and games and widgets, and that ultimately it will have to be built anew — “the scalability of the Internet will destroy universities”(http://bit.ly/b1goEW). We aren’t *required* to accept his Constructivist or the more radical Connectivist views on “embracing the inevitability” of the destruction of the news and music and other content industries nor be doomed to marginalization as mislabelled “Luddites” if we wish to bring the liberal values of property and individual rights online, refusing to be collectivized as other people were in the 20th centuries’ totalitarianisms.

maximkrutschek - April 22, 2010 at 4:02 pm

hunsvalen,So you would consider someone dressing up in a Superman costume for Halloween “infringement”? Interesting. What about someone naming their child Lois Lane?Geez. Am I alone in thinking that people are WAY too politically correct these days? Chill out. Personally, if someone was a big enough fan of my work to pose as one of my characters and dress up and actually put real effort and passion into their portrayal I would be incredibly flattered and honored, not considering suing them for copyright infringement. Even making a little money off of selling ‘avatars’ to resemble my characters to other fans would be a huge compliment. I mean, I’m not going to take part in that market myself so it’s no skin off my back. Now, if they were to try marketing a movie/video game/TV show/etc… off of my creation, THEN we’ve got problems. That’s true copyright infringement. That’s the kind of infringement this law was created to deal with, not the insignificant little geek-fests all the fans involve themselves in. And it seems to me that LL agrees with this.Obviously, Linden Labs is well aware of the JLU’s “costume parties” and they haven’t done squat about it so I guess that means they don’t consider it to be infringement. Too bad, so sad.Besides, who HASN’T dressed up their avatar as an unoriginal character before? That’s half the fun of being able to create custom content. My own avatar portrays a character from a popular webcomic that is written by two good friends of mine. They are well aware of my avatar and are thrilled that I love their comic so much that I’m willing to put my own time, money, and effort into showing love for their creation.However, the lab has obviously decided that WU is in fact in violation and what they say is law, whether anybody likes it or not. (Like I’ve already had to explain to other people on other community websites where they were unhappy with the decisions of the staff) Second Life is not a democracy where everyone should get a say in everything, everywhere. It’s a privately-owned business that runs a community where you will either follow the rules (whether they’re justified or not) or you will GET OUT.Yes, LL has put in their TOS that infringement is against the rules but in the end it doesn’t matter how we, their users, interpret it, but how LL interprets it. If they don’t consider your actions to be infringement, even if other people do, you’re off the hook. End of story. Now, if they want to get themselves in trouble by allowing users to display what others might consider to be copyrighted content, that’s their problem. It’s true that Marvel could come after them and sue their asses and be perfectly justified in doing so. But again, that’s their problem.(Still, who HASN’T technically committed copyright infringement? If everyone in violation of the law was locked up there’d be no one left on the intarwebs. At that point it’s just a bunch of petty finger-pointing.)And as for people whining that LL was unjustified in deleting WU and its members, LL reserves the right to refuse service to anyone as they see fit.And if we’re using passages from the TOS to back up our claims:”11.3 We may suspend or terminate your Accounts for violation of this Agreement. Your rights to any compensation or recourse are limited to those provided herein.”Linden Lab may suspend or terminate your Account if you violate this Agreement, along with any or all other Accounts held by you or otherwise related to you as determined by Linden Lab, and your violation of this Agreement shall be deemed to apply to all such Accounts. Upon termination of your Accounts, this Agreement between us will be automatically terminated and you may not re-subscribe to Second Life, or return to Second Life through other or future Accounts you or others may set up. In the event of termination by Linden Lab of your Accounts under this Section 11.3, you will be entitled to receive the stated current value of any credit balance held in your Account(s), i.e., amounts you have cashed out on the LindeX, as your exclusive remedy and our sole liability. This does not include any Linden dollar balance held in your Account(s). In order to receive any sums pursuant to this Section 11.3, you must establish and inform us of a verified PayPal account into which we may transfer those sums. We will deduct from any or all of the above sums any outstanding fees or charges due to Linden Lab.”We reserve the right to impose reasonable procedures and restrictions with respect to the above, including without limitation the right to verify your identity and Accounts, to limit transfers to verified PayPal accounts, to impose other anti-fraud measures, and to refuse to process funds we believe are the product of fraud or theft.”11.4 We may suspend or terminate your Account(s) to protect the best interests of Second Life and the Second Life community or if we believe you pose an unacceptable risk to the Second Life community.”We may suspend or terminate your Account if we determine in our discretion that such action is necessary or advisable to comply with legal requirements or protect the rights or interests of Linden Lab, the Second Life community or any third party.”We may suspend or terminate your Account(s) if we learn, or in good faith believe, that you are a Registered Sex Offender, that accessing Second Life may violate a condition of parole or probation, or that you for any other reason may pose what we deem to be an unacceptable risk to the Second Life community.”Notice how it says “we believe”. If LL believes you are in violation, then you have broken the TOS.Sure, it may not technically be fair but in Lindenland dem’s the rules.

maximkrutschek - April 22, 2010 at 4:03 pm

Also, I’d just like to comment that it’s my birthday today and this was a lovely birthday present to wake up to. :)

rivenhomewood - April 22, 2010 at 4:28 pm

Happy Birthday, Maxim! :)As I wonder whether the Chronicle will ever publish another article about SecondLife after this….

jaden - April 22, 2010 at 5:16 pm

The New Terms OF Service doesnt come in effect till april 30th.Linden Lab may have the right under the Terms OF Service to ban anyone they wish, However its their reputations on the Line, my reputation that will end up destroying SL. I am a big threat to Linden Lab myself, and they cant lock out my hardware info because I provide them false info every login.So Linden Lab wants to ban my account, I will personally make sure Linden Lab goes down, using any and every legal methods I Can, including how they break the law in their game, Virtual Gambling with Zyngo, Real Life copyrights being broken daily, and hide behind the TOS we are not responsible for content, please file a DMCA report on it which is completely insane when there is much stolen real life intellectual property.I knew tizzy, and she was a nice person, I know that this person did not commit any type of copyright infrigments, or break the TOS themselfs, or knowingly allow other people to. This person Tizzy banned people who breaking the TOS from woodbury many times such as simulator crashing, But how is she suppose to know exactly who is using an illegal client on their region ect. That is Linden Labs responsibility. I was there personally, and I didn’t see shit. I have seen a lot of stuff outside of woodbury though.Not all clients are detectable as a Copybot Viewer, in fact you can easily spoof MAC Addresses, Frame someone for commiting theft who really did nothing at all. You can also put any client spoofed as logon looks just as real, and LL cant really tell the difference.As for the chronicle Posting this, Its journalism, Freedom OF Speech Yo, Freedom OF Infromation, they should have, because everyone deserves the right to information, and to know the real truths. Woodbury was a nice fun place while it was around for me.The whole Term Soviet Woodbury was for fun, The nazi stuff from Command and Conquer red alert 2, or Above it was just for fun, and laughing at nothing more, maybe roleplaying too. And it was their own sim and right to do so, unless Linden Lab claims we cant have any privacy now?

hunsvalen - April 22, 2010 at 5:52 pm

“Huns Valen is welcome to keep spinning his line here about lack of association, although he remains as a member, spiritual guide, applauder, apologizer and sustainer of all these groups, actively participating in keeping these constantly recruiting groups alive. He knows it; we all know it.”How about, instead of reasserting the same poppycock, you actually substantiate it with evidence? How about you prove that I’m responsible for what other people do in Second Life? How about you prove that I’m some kind of “spiritual guide” or that I “victory dance” when someone griefs? Saying that I know it is false and unprovable; saying that “we all know it” is an argumentum ad populum. Where is your evidence? Why do you believe any of these things yourself? In what way can you prove I’m responsible for what other people do in second life? Where’s the logical connection between joining a group and being responsible for what other members do? You continue to attempt to characterize my involvement, even though you have no actual facts to go on.“Huns Valen indeed associates with the guilt; indeed as a famous oldbie, the inventor of an aircraft in a world where everyone can fly anyway …”Give me a break. You sell real estate in a world where people do not need houses, or to own their own land. Second Life itself is fundamentally unnecessary, as is everything in it. People buy things because this is their hobby, not because they need them.“Huns knows full well that hundreds of people — literally hundreds of accounts — have committed the most outrageous acts in the groups where he remains steadfastly as a member, for years, chuckling maliciously the whole time.”#1, I do not know how many people in the groups I’ve been a member of have griefed. I don’t maintain surveillance on group members. I do not have an Excel spreadsheet where I meticulously tabulate the goings on. I haven’t friended and don’t have mapstalk privileges on the vast majority of group members. You have even less reason to think you know how many group members have done this, since you aren’t even in these groups. #2, this “chuckling maliciously” you accuse me of – Where’s your evidence? What can a dispassionate third party review to determine whether that’s true or not?When I accused you of libel, it was not a “chilling threat.” I’m not going to spend five figures suing you for your wildly speculative ranting. It was simply a statement of fact, which you have yet again failed to refute. You’ve made numerous defamatory statements against myself and others, which you have failed to back up with any evidence at all. I hardly need a lawyer to poke holes in your specious arguments.maximkrutschek, you seem to be implying that it should be totally okay for people to rip off Marvell/DC because if you were in their shoes you’d be okay with it. That doesn’t mean they aren’t violating the TOS. If they are going to be pretend policemen, shouldn’t they at least show some respect for the TOS?

prokofy - April 22, 2010 at 7:28 pm

Got an audience for once, Huns, on the website of a *real* publication instead of Second Citizen? Is that why you’re posturing and raging and pretending to be filled with righteous indignation? There’s a special lameness in selling airplanes in a world where everyone can fly, but Philip Linden loved you like a son because it was a cool machine that had to use the physics properties of the world he made, so — understood. Blessed for life!Let’s focus on the basics here of what someone in *good* faith (that would not be you!), faced with a group that is documented by residents and by Lindens for consistently violating the TOS and the Community Standards, would do. They would *concede* that yes, this group was mainly made up of griefers who really did cause harm and really were caught. Servers don’t lie. Servers show who rezzed the script. Servers also show who used the third-party rogue viewer to god-mode stalk people and harass them. What does it mean to go on continuing to refuse to denounce the actions of such a group? Where hundreds of people have been banned for violations? Where the day-old alts pop up and get killed with enormous frequency? Where they are deliberately invited in to an invitation-only group? Seeing the documented story of such a group, what possible reason would someone wish to stay in such a group unless they supported it spiritually, intellectually, morally, both for cultural and for political reasons?Never in your entire Second Life have you ever, ever condemned griefing or acknowledged that these friends of yours harm others. You feign to not notice. You pretend not to see. You *lie*. That’s all. *You lie*. Everyone knows that this grief groups all over the grid, and has made a particular fetish of griefing my sims in Ravenglass Rentals. Hundreds of tenants have witnessed this, documented it, and filed reports on it in four years. And yet *you lie*.One doesn’t need to be a geek or use Excel spread sheets. A routine “visitor tracker” put up on my land next to the Woodbury “campus” in Ravenglass tells the story — dozens and dozens of permabanned people, likely 25 percent or more of a list of 200 people taking in slices of time by the script; dozens of day-olds who are gone as soon as you even try to plug them into the search box, the Lindens banned them from somewhere else where they griefed; dozens and dozens of mains who have been caught doing everything from obviously rezzing self replicators, nuisance signs, obscene textures, etc. to heckling and disrupting at events or killing chickens. People who themselves have had little vacations for 3-7-15 days for this or that minor offense, escalating sometimes to permabans (Hazim Gazov, Tizzers Foxchase). Anyone with eyes in their head can see it, merely by attending a few events and visiting a few sims. Hundreds of times, this has been documented.And yet you claim it doesn’t go on. You haven’t seen it. You don’t believe it. *You lie*.I don’t have to be *in* these groups; I merely have to *live next door to them*. You don’t. I don’t know where you hang out. Baku? where they all IM me, to let me know the deep connection between W-hat and btards and PNs and Woodbury, like the ultimate Digital Woodburyhat, eh? Furthermore, at least a half dozen groups I’ve counted have been formed by these people specifically to grief me, named with my name, or mentioning killing my chickens, or being my fan, or some other meme, with my RL picture, and with ridiculing avatars and puppets of my RL self. Many people have seen this, and you’re going to pretend you don’t know this, and never saw it celebrated in the Herald? You’re going to pretend that isn’t griefing? *You lie*.You have no case of “libel” against me because — again, *you lie*. We all saw the screenshot of you victory dancing with the grieftards some years ago. We can now all easily see your apologia for them in really twisted and sinister ways in the old forums. You don’t have to put your finger prints on every Mario particle attack and goatse deluge of a sim to be actively instigating these acts because *you remain in the groups, you continue to associate with these people, you continue to cover for them, you continue to deny they do what they do which is well documented, you continue to spout self-justifying word salad. *You lie*.It’s good for someone like you who bullies on the forums of the small pond of SL for so many years to face other normal people who question your absurd literalism; your extreme lawfare on copyright when it comes to your enemies, even as you coddle a group routinely copying content — there are witnesses who have Woodbury U come to Ravenglass and copy my avatar and all his accessories as they fly around. The facts finally catch up with those who keep lying, it’s only a matter of time.

jaden - April 22, 2010 at 8:46 pm

So before everyone goes and accuses Woodbury of everything take a look at the facts. All gruops have copybotters, or Griefers, or people who use rogue viewers. Unless someone contacts the woodbury staff, and says. (Name Here) is using a rogue Viewer, and submits valid evidence to them of them commiting content theft, or Griefing, Then there is no reason why they should kick them with lack of evidence. Even Some of the SecondLife mentors were involved in copybotting conspiracies, I knew some of them myself, And what about all the Big Roleplay groups, or any group that people are part of who go to a sandbox and on purposely Grief OR Crash the estate. That isn’t my responsibility just because they are part of my group and do it. If I knew they were going to, I would Kick them, and so would woodbury, Fact is woodbury is very popular people abuse it.Woodbury will be back… Hint Kids…Hackers use skype, and voice chat to talk leaving no proof for Linden Lab, I know because I know many coders, nerds, and sl haxors who use rogue viewers myself. We talk all the time outside of SL.A List of some of the Biggest Copybot hunts and groups on the grid, with some of what happend.Look at these groups specifically and people…Sisters OF Hura/SaConTriShena.Smiggles Decuir, Wearing Skin that has been re uploaded not legally, and modified by their boyfriend by a person using a rogue viewer.Lacy Janus, and Ian Cisse which passed away Real Life, They Copybotted content together, and used it from RH Engel, and denied it kicking their own sister from the tribe when they brought the issue to their attention, and sim owner Zammy Zisky, and Meistroli Easterwood would not do anything about it. Johanna Lagerlof Meistroli Easterwoods GF made issues about one of my friends very well known person, Also very hated, and The owner believe it, and Smiggles decuir which was proven to have allowed her sisters to copybot content, and deny it trying to get rid of a person who did the right thing.AliAkami is the Sim owner of Jungles of Schendi, she premits thefts, and copybot activities, Linden Lab wont ban them because of little evidence, even though I have tons of proof of her, her name on stolen Truth Hawk Hairs, Videos, and snapshots of the stolen content, but No one cares about content theft, they just care about Lets have fun.Sheena797 Navarita, Allowing her group with Hope Shim, and All her hundreds of alternate accounts to commit thefts using advanced copybotiting technology. They were located in Ingot Estate, At first they were in Auction 3, we currently do not know fully where they are as of now, but their groups and members copybot all the time and give to sisters.Sang Suri Panthers/Talunas, The Owners here are pretty much partnered up with Smiggles decuir and allow content theft too.New Jack City, Antonio Ansome, and Alonzo Streeter, Both helping People copybot, and not doing anything about the rogue viewers which people clone skins and clothing on their estates and use their sims for this. Again Proof of this was taken to all parties involved and they did nothing to help the cause. The only person who tried to help was Rendy Miles, But he retired because they would not listen, DIC Jacobus is the sim owner.Urban Chaos, They have copybotted content handed out here daily to people, Although I spoke to omega stattic, and he seems to have taken action against the thefts and they are trying their best in a very high traffic location, But even then they cannot stop it 100%.Every one of these instances of Copybotting and theft was carefully examined, Owners Contacted, and we took it to our own public message boards when the Owners of these groups refused to take responsibility for their memebers actions. Linden Lab should have banned all of their accounts for allowing and helping this knowingly but they didn’t.Hope Shim/Katwoman Yootz/Bongo Abott, (same person) copybotted full sets of AO’s from Vista Barnes in SecondLife, and we gave him the AO’s which he contacted her when he was asked not to instead of just filing a DMCA report and blew our cover, which then we took all the info public ect.So Yeah all these instances of Content Theft. They have been carefully reviewed by us, Proof of it all documented, and Every groups involvement including Dijan panthers a very popular gorean group in SecondLife, Although they now claim to be helping to prevent it, we Know that there are still botters mixed within their groups, Question is if there are any more incidents, if they will listen in the future.Our Conclusion on all of these incidents was that a lot of botting happend in the Gorean Roleplay, or Roleplay estates, due to the nature of the content, and creators. We were right, when we all joined 4 anti copybot networks the last year for about 3 months, We recieved over 6 copybot reports a day or more from creators and other people. All which had been presented with evidence of everyones involvement, and the helping of it ect.Still not convinced… Look at all the roleplayers, Pull up their skin asset ID’s, and compare like I do from a legal verson to an illegal verson. You would be suprized how many newbie gorean roleplayers Wear Stolen Skins, or have stolen and made illegal mods without concent to give to their sisters, ect. I do this all the time, and I am very damn careful before making an accusation against someone or a group of people, because I know that if I am so much as wrong, I could hurt the person badly, which is why I check multiple times before saying a word.So Yeah here you got it…

hunsvalen - April 22, 2010 at 9:46 pm

Wow, the first and second paragraphs are ad hominem attacks. What a surprise. You’ve also failed to address the point that everything in SL is purely optional, and that buying pretend airplanes and buying pretend houses are not substantially different activities. I mean, really, why would you even bring this up? It’s a silly argument and irrelevant to the topic at hand.3rd paragraph, you assume all sorts of things that are not in evidence. The group is “mainly” made up of griefers? Prove it. Show me some hard data. If it was partially griefers and partially people who didn’t grief, would you still ban the non-griefers, and if so, how would this be justified under the TOS/CS?4th paragraph, you continue to assume things that are not in evidence. Let’s take a look at this question: “Seeing the documented story of such a group, what possible reason would someone wish to stay in such a group unless they supported it spiritually, intellectually, morally, both for cultural and for political reasons?” – Well first, you haven’t documented it. All you’ve presented is your opinion, which is not the same as evidence. Second, I don’t need to justify to you or anyone else why I belong to any group. Even if I approved of griefing, I do have freedom of conscience and freedom of association. It is not my job to hate your enemies and take on your causes. It is not my job to wag my finger at people who break the rules.“Never in your entire Second Life have you ever, ever condemned griefing” – Actually, yes, I have. I criticized the Griefer Manifesto by Grimmy Moonflower, and he put a bounty on me for it.“You *lie*. That’s all. *You lie*. Everyone knows that this grief groups all over the grid, and has made a particular fetish of griefing my sims in Ravenglass Rentals. Hundreds of tenants have witnessed this, documented it, and filed reports on it in four years. And yet *you lie*.” – What “everyone knows” is rather debatable, again an example of the argumentum ad populum. What people do out of my sight, and what abuse reports your tenants file, are of no concern to me. I don’t follow these people around and take notes about where they are and what they’re doing. I see no reason why I should take time out of my SL activities to run my own private KGB – not on your account, and not on anyone else’s, either.“And yet you claim it doesn’t go on. You haven’t seen it. You don’t believe it. *You lie*.” – You have just made a liar of yourself. I have never, ever claimed that no one in the WU group griefs you or anyone else.“Furthermore, at least a half dozen groups I’ve counted have been formed by these people specifically to grief me, named with my name, or mentioning killing my chickens, or being my fan, or some other meme, with my RL picture, and with ridiculing avatars and puppets of my RL self. Many people have seen this, and you’re going to pretend you don’t know this, and never saw it celebrated in the Herald? You’re going to pretend that isn’t griefing? *You lie*.” – Actually, I have seen the hand puppet of you. I wouldn’t be surprised if people form groups to ridicule you, and if you feel like ARing the creators, that’s your business. However, it isn’t any skin off my back if someone makes fun of you. What reason have I to care? You’ve been venting your spleen at me for years, and I don’t feel inclined to empathize with you.“We all saw the screenshot of you victory dancing with the grieftards some years ago.” – Really? Where is it?“We“ – We who?“can now all easily see your apologia for them in really twisted and sinister ways in the old forums.” – Link me to something twisted and sinister I said in the old forums.“You don’t have to put your finger prints on every Mario particle attack and goatse deluge of a sim to be actively instigating these acts because *you remain in the groups, you continue to associate with these people,” – Being in a group with someone doesn’t imply approval of that person’s activities. I’m sure there are creationists, neocons, and other socially poisonous people in some of the groups I belong to. I certainly don’t lose any sleep over that.“you continue to cover for them, you continue to deny they do what they do which is well documented, you continue to spout self-justifying word salad.” – I am not covering for anyone. If a group member gets banned for breaking the rules, that’s their problem. You say that what “they” do is well documented, but who do you mean by “they?” The particular people you don’t like, or everyone in the group, even people who never bother you? And where is the documentation? I’m not bullying anyone on the forums. How absurd. I’m not waging “lawfare” and I have no idea why you would even mention copyright. You want to talk about being a pain on the forums? You were so bad that LL banned you from even posting on the main forums at all.“*You lie*.” – You libel. You make written claims, expressly stated or implied as factual, that may may give individuals and groups a negative image.For your edification, I have spent no less than 45 seconds finding further definitions of libel, all of which fit your behavior. Retrieved 4/22 from http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=libel&gwp=13 :__________________________a. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person’s reputation.b. The act of presenting such material to the public.Tort consisting of a false, malicious, unprivileged publication aiming to defame a living person or to mar the memory of one dead. Printed or written material, signs or pictures that tend to expose a person to public scorn, hatred, contempt or ridicule may be considered libelous.(noun) The expression of injurious, malicious statements about someone: aspersion, calumniation, calumny, character assassination, defamation, denigration, detraction, scandal, slander, traducement, vilification.(verb) To make defamatory statements about: asperse, backbite, calumniate, defame, malign, slander, slur, tear down, traduce, vilify. Idioms: cast aspersions on.1. that which is written and published in order to injure the character of another by ridicule or contempt. 2. defamation expressed by print, writing, pictures, or signs.__________________________This is precisely what you do.

egilson - April 22, 2010 at 10:04 pm

This is convenient. Now, when people ask me if they should try to use Second Life as an instructional platform, I can point them to these comments to illustrate why I say, “Absolutely not.”

22228715 - April 22, 2010 at 10:46 pm

Thank you to everyone who wrote something on this page. I have been wondering whether I should learn more about Second Life, and was on the fence because I heard equal parts “cutting edge” and “yesterday’s news”.But after reading all this, I’m off the fence. No way in hell I’m going on SL.

jaden - April 22, 2010 at 10:50 pm

I dont cover for people in SecondLife, I know personally that Tizzy Teardrop who owned Soviet Woodbury to my knowledge and time of being at woodbury, did never on purposely violate the Terms OF Service. I cannot say this for every single Member of Woodbury, but even some creators are part of Woodbury, because they hang there just as I do. We have never on purposely broke TOS, or crashed anyones simulators on the main grid. The only time this happend was once when We were using a Store bought gun, which accidently crashed a region due to scripting Flaws which rezzed too many pellets from the shotgun. LL Did not suspend or ban for it.If Linden Lab wants to ban those who have done illegal things which are proven from this group then I am for it, but until the Admins/Owners of Woodbury are proven guilty in my terms Linden Lab is getting a bad reputation from me because they banned Innocent people. End OF Story, soon I am quitting sl myself because $300 a month for a simulator is a ripoff espically with all the bullshit they allow.No I do not cover up for people,and if I knew a member of woodbury copybotting something illegally, or Effecting other residents outside of their Estate, such as 5 woodbury members crashing sandboxes, then I would snapshot evidence, File abuse reports to LInden Lab, and Contact the woodbury, and say these guys were representing your group, and crashing the estates, and the admins would kick them with evidence I am sure.So Yeah do we really all have any evidence against woodbury, not just accusations with no proof?Do we have proof of their members copybotting on video or something, did we present it to the admins of woodbury?

bladyblue - April 23, 2010 at 12:05 am

The public stance of Woodbury has always been “It is an open enrollment group – therefore we cannot take responsibility for what the members do”. So when people join Woodbury and publicly greif and purposely make racist avatars, absolutley no one at Woodbury (in SL or real life) will apoligize or take responsibility. Just how long did you feel that “We have no control over anything” was going to remain an acceptable policy anywhere on the planet or on the internet?Woodbury made it quite clear that they would make no changes to their policies. It would remain open enrollment, the “do whatever you want” charter would remain in place (seeing the lynched avatars at the Woodbury Campus made that clear) and Woodbury was not responsible for anything.It is refreshing to see that while Woodbury was negotiating to purchase more sims that they would not be responsible for – someone at Linden Lab said “You have to be kidding” and pulled the nonsense plug and flushed it all away.

jaden - April 23, 2010 at 1:17 am

Well thats the thing, do you expect everyone to make their groups Closed Enrollment instead of Open Enrollment. That is Linden Labs Responsibility to deal with Griefers when they Grief, and Join groups and do this stuff, not really up to the group. The Group Owners have the rights, and the moderators should Kick known abusers if it is brought to their attention, and the owner should say dont come back again or We will file an abuse report for harassment, But you cant Just close an entire group over a group of griefers who abuse it, it ruins the games origional intentions of SecondLife.Same thing with setting an island to no build, I Keep my simulator set on Build only when it is not being rented, or used, and if some griefer comes in there, and Uses PHP scripts to attack Peoples real life websites outside of SL, or Hacks, or anything without my knowledge it again is not my responsibility. I do everything within my power just as woodbury does to make sure that this does not happen, but I cannot be here 24/7 to deal with issues, and I dont trust other people running my stuff.Linden Lab Offical response to dealing with Griefers is set land to group only build, however it is hard when your simulator or estate is used for Roleplay purposes and has multiple groups attacking, and then some griefer just comes in and sets down a bunch of mario cubes, and those dead n Racism cubes everywhere, so this cannot be done…But banning an owner just because of these issues is totally insane. Linden Lab needs to take responsibility on their end.

jaden - April 23, 2010 at 1:20 am

Oh yeah forgot to mention Soviet Woodbury Takes responsibility for their members, and their estates, only within their jurisdiction.Anything that happens from outside of their jurisdiction in a sandbox, or Linden Lab territory, is not their responsibility, or in another privately owned estate. And It falls within the owners/Linden Lab.If People Have irrefutable evidence against a member, like a video proving actual copybotting, or Intellectual property violations, and presented to them in a way good respectful manor, and proper abuse reports taken down, I am quite sure they will do something. But dont expect a snapshot that doesn’t prove anything to do any good.I fully support Woodbury

rivenhomewood - April 23, 2010 at 1:52 am

egilson and 22228715 and others: Please do not take this conversation as typical of SecondLife, especially the SecondLife education community! It’s typical of what is found on some of the SL forums, which is why most people I know never bother reading them. But it’s not typical of what goes on inworld.SL is like a city – there are great neighborhoods and bad ones, wonderful people and jerks. Nearly all of the people I’ve met in my three years on SL are wonderful. Being there has transformed my professional life. I have met fellow academic librarians and educators from all over the United States and most of the world. Virtual worlds like SecondLife are excellent platforms for distance education, and much serious work is going on there. Woodbury’s SecondLife campus is a worst case scenario, and I think it reflects very badly on that school. I hope WASC will pay attention to it when Woodbury University comes up for reacreditation. There are hundreds of colleges and university campuses in SecondLife, and all the others I know are places where people are dedicated to learning and having a good time, not to harrassing others. Jean Hewlett, University of San Francisco aka Riven Homewood, Director, Steelhead Public Library

prokofy - April 23, 2010 at 1:57 am

I don’t see any point in attempting to debate Huns Valen here, as he simply makes the same redundant and discredited arguments he’s made for years. Anybody who is not in on the goon conspiracy knows what he’s about. Anyone looking at his profile in SL sees that his favourite quote, pasted on his first-life profile, is a silly dialogue with one of the most notorious griefers, Crawlingin Meskin, who is now among the permabanned — to mention one of the many episodes of winks and nods he engages in. I think this is an article that explains some of the patterns of behaviour of these groups on MMORPGs, and how they always dissemble and pretend to be innocent. Possibly it’s not worth arguing with them on the merits, as they will always continue to lie, but ultimately, you are trying to speak to those on the fence — and I see somebody fell off their fence already : )http://brokentoys.org/2010/04/22/the-strange-and-terrible-saga-of-the-soviet-commuter-college/

prokofy - April 23, 2010 at 1:58 am

blady, the Woodbury University group has not been open for a year or so. It’s a closed, invitation-only group.That’s why I continuously point out that they can’t pretend that they don’t know what goes on. If they are deliberately inviting in people with obvious griefer names, like the racist PN names and such, then they know full well what they are doing.

intlibber - April 23, 2010 at 5:19 am

Woodbury in no way deserves the treatment it is getting. First, ignore all the defamatory BS from Prokofy and her drones. She’s a diagnosed paranoid schitzophrenic who sees leninist bolshevik conspiracies in anything and everything that doesn’t agree with her kooky world view or which she thinks is impeding her ability to make more e-money. Imagine a rabid Sarah Palin on crack.Secondly, Woodbury was taken down the first time not for supporting griefing, but for *ceasing* to support greifing. The JLU and their friends used alts in griefer groups to raid the grid so that the public would see the JLU as necessary for their security. They attacked my sims in that manner. The JLU tried to blackmail Tizzers Foxchase into spying on griefers for them, which was rejected. Tizzers came to me for help and agreed to work with me to help eliminate griefing in SL by ending the “war on e-terrorism” approach that the JLU used, which was intentionally counterproductive, making SL into a big first person shooter game for socially maladapted but highly creative individuals. When we rejected the JLU’s combat/gestapo tactics and treated the situation properly as one of dealing with juveniles, we had tremendous success, reducing griefing across SL by 90% over two years, draining their manpower supply by giving their recruits paths to legitimacy, economic and creative opportunities (duh, what schools are SUPPOSED TO DO)…. In response, the JLU used their influence with Linden Lab to get Woodburys original sim taken down permanently. WU then came to me, and contracted my business to host their virtual campus. We worked well together, and eventually I went back to school at Woodbury, last fall, and am working on finishing a degree given the current economy.We governed the Woodbury group and ensured anybody engaging in actual griefing (sim crashings, TOS violations, etc) were ejected unless they turned over a new leaf. Woodbury gained a significant measure of respect inside the lab, and even hosted a very successful event at the SL Community Convention, in hosting a tour bus to visit Linden’s offices for the convention goers.In response, Prokofy, the JLU, and insider friends of theirs in the lab engaged in a campaign of libel against myself and my business, driving my customers away in order to cause my business to implode. Woodbury then got their own sims from Linden Lab again, were working amicably with them, until for some reason they did a 180 this past weekend and illegally seized the sims Woodbury had invested time and money into.Due to the damages done to me by Linden Lab, I am joining a class action lawsuit now before Judge Robreno in Pennsylvania (the judge in the famous Bragg vs Rosedale case) to recover $500,000.00+ in damages to myself and my business by Linden Lab and their coconspirators. I cannot comment on what the administration of Woodbury will do, but I doubt they will be sitting idly.As for Jean Hewlett’s comments, madame, you have absolutely no clue about what you are talking about vis a vis Woodbury. Woodbury consistently ranked as the #1 most popular virtual campus in Second Life, with daily traffic numbers ranging between 10,000-20,000. We were the only virtual campus to fully engage students in their own mindspace, and have been gaining a number of new students coming to Woodbury in real life, either as transfers or as individuals new to college, due to their prior participation in our virtual campus. Unlike yours and most every other virtual campus in SL, we didn’t treat the sim as a museum to build copies of empty halls named after dead trustees. Our virtual campus was a living laboratory for 21st century learning, and in particular, reaching out to individuals with the greatest educational disadvantages. In my several years of association with Woodbury’s virtual group in SL, I have rarely met someone the rest of the grid would call “Griefer” who was nothing but a bored young person with serious learning disabilities and/or socialization issues. Dr. Clift, Tizzers, and I have seen these types of individuals as Woodbury’s mission in SL, just as in real life Woodbury seeks to help disadvantaged students get out of the ghetto or barrio and gain a quality education.It is unfortunate that so many in our society see these sort of individuals as disposable, worth only being subjected to the dehumanizing depersonating one experiences when one is permbanned from Second Life. What more pronounced way to disenfranchise someone from 21st century society?

jaden - April 23, 2010 at 7:59 am

Totally agree with you Intlibber I dont think I was around when this whole thing started, but based on hearing your name around secondlife, and the help you have given many people with land, ect. I trust in you, and I trust woodbury for some reason a lot even though im not around there much becuase of all the rumors. I asked the truth before once or twice, but In returned got banned from there for it, because they probabily thought I was a JLU troll, ect. Although I contacted them and set things straight. I know that Woodbury has its griefers and trolls who are there too, but usually no admins or owners are on to see it. So its not their faults, this happens everywhere in sl though.

egilson - April 23, 2010 at 8:39 am

rivenhomewood: I already am in SL, and I agree that as an educational *platform* it can probably work well (though most of what I’ve seen on the SL grid hasn’t be very well done). However, I have and do strongly urge anyone who wants to do that to use a solution like OpenSim or purchase a full region and lock it down to members only (while restricting teleports) rather than expose themselves to the chronic playground silliness of the Second Life grid and many of its members. It’s not just the forum, by the way, as spending a few minutes at a public “educational” event dealing with avatars wearing spamming BDSM leashes or pole-dancing and shouting “LOL!” every seventeen seconds will show. And those aren’t griefers – they’re just regulars whose behavior is socially acceptable within SecondLife.

rivenhomewood - April 23, 2010 at 12:56 pm

egilson: Sorry you’ve had such poor experiences in SL. Not sure what kind of educational events you attend, but the ones I go to aren’t like that. I agree that a locked-down campus or private grid may well be a safer way to go, especially for groups that lack the knowledge and vigilance to deal with griefers. Woodbury’s experience is a cautionary tale about how necessary it is for a school to keep control of its institutional brand, even in cyberspace.

willismg - April 23, 2010 at 3:00 pm

This really all sounds kinda pathetic, folks. Can’t you all find some other venue (in the blessed realm of Second Life, perhaps) to hash out your seemingly petty feuds over who first did what to whom? I feel kinda dirty after scanning down through all of this…

amnirov - April 23, 2010 at 11:56 pm

Wow. Lame. This story is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on the CHE and that’s saying something. As for all of you people writing micro-dissertations, perhaps you should try to get a first life.

hunsvalen - April 24, 2010 at 8:33 am

“I don’t see any point in attempting to debate Huns Valen here”Yeah, that’s right. Not here, not anywhere. Stop making wild accusations and presenting unfounded assumptions and outright fabrications as though they were true, and I will stop taking you up on it.

makomk - April 25, 2010 at 6:14 am

“Don’t want to suffer guilt by association? Don’t associate with the guilty.”That’s a very Soviet police state attitude to have. I’m not being hyperbolic here – I really do mean that it’s like the former Soviet Union. See, no police state has the ability to monitor everyone directly all the time. So they use guilt by association – if you’re caught associating with someone who’s guilty of something, you’re likely to be punished too. This effectively forces everyone to police everyone else’s behaviour – if you don’t keep a close eye on what those around you are doing and saying, and don’t punish those who are breaking the rules by shunning them, you’re risking a run in with the police.That’s why guilt by association should have no place in our society.

prokofy - April 25, 2010 at 10:28 pm

makomk, I’m going to take a wild guess and say that I likely know a great deal more about the Soviet police state than you do : )And I know for a fact I know more about this group than you do, such as to tell you, with all seriousness as a person committed to human rights, that the characterization of them as guilty as charged is true, because it’s based on copious documentation of their acts over may years by multiple persons. At a certain point, you cannot invoke abstractions like this when you haven’t seen the damages and the victimization. Whatever you want to say about “guilt by association” in our society, if you are sincere (and you are likely merely one of them as you are anonymous), that isn’t an endless cover and an endless excuse for crime, even in a liberal and just society. It just isn’t.The reason I’ve often used the term “Leninist” to describe this griefing group is because they use all the Bolshevik tactics and ideologies, like “the end justifies the means” (violence and harassment to make people stop taking the Internet seriously and do what you think they should do which is anarchy); subterfuge, body doubles, denials, active measures, agents of influence, etc (they count the Chronicle of Higher Education itself as one of their agents of influence); telling the Big Lie, i.e. denying the essential truth of their violence and coercion; wrecking and splitting, i.e. invading other groups and splitting them on the basis of their allegiance to their organization or not. There are numerous parallels to the Leninist organization, but that isn’t in any way to say that these people are “real life communists” — they’re affluent Americans at a small commuter college with just the usual nihilism and cynicism of the Internet-educated for their religion, who have hooked up with an Internet subculture that enjoys messing with people’s heads and harming them for real sometimes.As for any touching liberal concerns about “guilt by association” for those really reviewing the actual acts of these people, as I’ve explained repeatedly on my blog, you can’t keep hiding behind that liberal notion when you illiberally use your group deliberately to recruit and socialize and plan griefing escapades. If you have a closed group that can be joined only by a mechanical invitation, and you invite people with racist names and the names of those known already to have been permabanned, then…what’s up?At what point do you think you can safely say that a group with *hundreds* of accounts coming through them caught and banned based on the *server records* of Linden Lab for violation of the TOS (basically the computer crime of a Denial-of-Service attack) is no longer able to hide behind the “guilt by association” meme? Of course they can’t when it is a criminal *conspiracy*. Refresh your studies of law and the concept of conspiracy, i.e. deliberate intent to commit crime in groups. The notions of accessories and accomplies apply here. Often the apologists of this group speak of “600 members” although anyone who joined the group when it was open would see that hundreds had last log in dates ages ago because they left SL when they became bored, or because their accounts were banned or because they were the extra accounts of people banned on their main accounts who didn’t bother to return.It’s all amply documented, and it the issue is not the “police state,” although you are absolutely right that Linden Lab functions as a kind of police state in having an all-seeing eye without proper due process.Again, I’d urge all those trying to downgrade this very important modern discussion about real lissues into “he said, she said” or “oh, the dysfunctions of Second Life on parade” blah blah, and focus on the themes here: it’s about how you deal with the challenges of illiberalism in a liberal society without becoming illiberal yourself.The Linden system indeed works on the police-state KGB-like notion of informing anonymously or clandestinely on your neighbour. It’s a hugely corrosive factor in any society, and a feature of closed societies, which SL is. There is no due process; no public trial; no right to face your accusers properly. And that’s the way not only SL works, but Twitter or Facebook or your blog provider or this very site. All sites work that way makomk, that’s the problem; all of them run a system where they wait for abuse reports before acting, because they are usually common carriers or providers seeking safe haven and immunity to prosecution for libel and other offenses. They can’t pre-censor or have prior editorial control of content because to do so would be confession that they in fact control everything they don’t. So they use this other system, upon which the Internet social media explosion is based on — and of course it stinks as a system and has no oversight or transparency.Indeed, Linden Lab should publicize everything they have on this group; the names of the prosecuting Lindens; the names of those who filed abuse reports; the accounts involved; the charges; the defenses. But they don’t. They cite “privacy policy” meaning the privacy of the individual account and they cite fear of retaliation — if those who make abuse reports are exposed to harassment. I’m absolutely confident that if they publicize everything they have on these people, no one will be able to remain with a “guilt by association” trope. But they won’t. The system doesn’t work that way in Silicon Valley. Ever. Though the American people should demand that it should.I happily expose my own role as an abuse reporter of this group for the visible griefing they have done to me and my tenants and the disruption of my events. I’ve filed hundreds of tickets on them in four long years. And I’m not the only one — so have dozens of other communities in SL, but without publicizing it as I’ve done. And I’ve suffered the harassment for it, including even calls to my home phone, upsetting my children. These people are really vile bullies; reading their outrageous self-justification here is chilling — it’s the hallmark of the modern cyberbully who makes Eddie Haskell seem like actually the model A student that he feigned to be when he told Mrs. Cleaver she had a lovely dress…The server monitors everything and can supposedly trump any notion of “discovery” or any due process or any adversarial defense. That is frightenly scary for the future as it undoes every institutional protection against abuse we have built up in America for more than 200 years. Because even if there is a server truth, the adversarial defense must still be allowed so that a person can mount his alternative story to the prosecution; even server truths can be interpreted in different ways. With anonymity and proxies, one cannot be sure even who is operating an account at a given time.So again, if you don’t want to suffer guilt by association, don’t associate with the guilty — those who obviously, clearly, unmistakeably and deliberately commit crimes again and again. You cannot keep hiding behind that defense and raising even legitimate “but it’s a police state” defenses in this police state. Even in this setting, we have ample witnesses and documentation and videotaping of the griefing and the offenders admit their guilt in forums and chat constantly, saying they deliberately and knowingly provided a haven for 4chan in Second Life. Once another publication besides this one uses a little more investigatory power on the story the true picture will emerge. This university and this course with about 4 people in it haven’t produced any publications, works, conferences or anything in three years other than this one time they ordered a party bus for the SL Community Conference, got roaring drunk and vandalized the real-life building of Linden Lab with chalk.

macknife - April 27, 2010 at 12:13 am

Am I the only one who finds it ironic to utilize the products of capitalism and profit-driven economics (namely the Internet and modern personal computers) to build shrines in tribute to the failed and fraudulent communism of the cold-war era (who would have – if they could have their way – never allowed such a thing as the Internet or personal computers)?

brianmathews - April 29, 2010 at 12:03 am

I feel bad for the Woodybury — although you’d think they have banned the /b/ crew from their island. It kind of become a matter of negligence. I posted something on this nearly three years ago. http://theubiquitouslibrarian.typepad.com/the_ubiquitous_librarian/2007/06/second_thoughts.htmlSome screenshots of the /b/ 4chan fortress in its hey day. At the time I respected their creative hacker ethos — but it falls on Woodbury to monitor and address the problem if Linden accuses them of harboring virtual terrorists. I think when/if they come back for a third time that they are going to need a different name. Woodbury has become a magnet for trouble online.

intlibber - April 30, 2010 at 3:18 am

Brian Mathews,On the contrary, the thing that people like Prokofy et al refuse to let the rest of the world understand is that, when Woodbury, and I, realized that /b/tards are not just highly creative and irreverent people, but generally suffer from various learning disabilities and socialization disorders. Dr. Clift decided that the /b/tard community was Woodbury’s constituency. WU in real life is known for serving disadvantaged students, helping them escape the ghetto and barrio. In SL, /b/tards, who have been treated by the SL community as a pick-boy to manipulate, demonize, and ban, as part of a wider dialectical pressure campaign by vigilante groups like the JLU and specifically some furry-rights advocates, to build their own influence in SL and promote public acceptance of furry culture as “mainstream”.The really bad griefing of the SL grid by PN members occured due to being organized and directed by infiltrator alts of the JLU and a few of their furry allies, who helped to organize the hopelessly disorganized, direct the directionless, and thus the PN were made into an “e-terrorism” organization by the very people who claimed to seek to protect the grid from them. This is the real “leninist conspiracy” if you want to use Prokofy’s catch phrases.My work with Woodbury was to drain the manpower of the PN by giving their recruits alternatives. /b/tards in the public sandboxes usually didn’t survive long, some JLU member would see them spouting 4chan memes and poof, they’d be banned. As a result, /b/tards saw little chance of building any permanent presence in SL, and like any disadvantaged, disenfranchised group in real life, they found that “criminal” acitivities were the only participation narrative open to them when they were prejudged before hand as less than human.So, Woodbury and I started a program, in cooperation with Michael Linden, to give /b/tards paths to legitimacy if they refrained from griefing. We gave them ‘jobs’ to earn e money, and a place to build and create safely. This program was amazingly successful, we reduced greifing across the grid by 90% over two years.The problem is that vigilantes like the JLU, and Linden’s governance team employees, were left without work, or a means of maintaining influence on the grid, without an enemy to fight.The first banning of woodburys sim was retaliation by the JLU for Woodbury refusing to spy on the PN for the JLU. The retaliation was part of previously made blackmail threats by JLU founder Kalel Venkman.The second banning of Woodbury recently is purely intended to drive WU’s virtual students to go back to griefing, to give the governance team, which had recently been closed and folded into the residency team, and rumors of layoffs were spreading, more work to justify their existence. This is what its all really about.Don’t by the lies of Prokofy, the JLU, or of Linden Lab.Another motivator of shutting down Woodbury is its popularity. WU’s sims have consistently been the most popular educational sims on the grid. This lead to significant degrees of jealousy by people running sims for more well known first tier Universities. It also embarassed all their alumni who work for Linden Lab. If Harvard was the institution involved here, you can bet your sweet bippy that no way in hell would LL close their sims or ban their faculty. This is hugely about institutional bias.

liptontea - May 4, 2010 at 4:11 am

Dr. Clift:The only people “maligning your brand” and “trampling on your 125-year mission” is you and your griefer buddies. Why Woodbury University (the real one, in Burbank) has tolerated the use of the name in SL (given its reputation there) for so long is a mystery.intlibber:So, it’s your, and Woodbury University’s (the fake one, in SL), mission to help so-called “/b/tards” assimilate? How noble of you. Last I looked, though, being a complete and utter @%&#0(* was not indicative of “various learning disabilities and socialization disorders.”Perhaps your time would be better spent writing for Encyclopedia Dramatica.

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