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U. of Michigan Copyright Sleuths Start New Project to Investigate Orphan Works

May 16, 2011, 7:00 pm

The University of Michigan on Monday announced a new project to identify orphan works among the millions of volumes in the HathiTrust Digital Library.

The investigation is important because it may be a step on the path to broader access to these orphan books—copyrighted volumes whose owners can’t be identified or found.

The 8.7-million-volume HathiTrust collection, pooled by a consortium of research libraries largely from scans made by Google, may contain in the neighborhood of 2.5 million orphan works, according to one recent estimate. HathiTrust makes online access available for the full text of books in the public domain; it does not, as of now, provide full access to orphan books.

“We have all the tools in front of us, and it’s very frustrating to not be able to make things available,” says Melissa Levine, lead copyright officer at the University of Michigan Library.

Michigan is one of various institutions working on the orphan-works problem in the wake of a judge’s decision to reject a proposed legal settlement that would have allowed Google to open up access to many out-of-print books.

Some see legislation as the answer, but on Monday a coalition of library groups issued a statement that was cool to the possibility of lawmakers stepping in to fix various copyright problems affecting libraries, including orphan works.

“It is important to recognize that achieving a legislative solution to any of these issues will be difficult, if not impossible,” says the statement from the American Library Association, the Association of College and Research Libraries, and the Association of Research Libraries.

When the government previously considered the issue, anchored by a big 2006 report from the U.S. Copyright Office, proposed legislation would have allowed people to use orphan works if they failed to find the copyright owner after a reasonably diligent search.

Library groups are now weighing in on what legal changes might help today. Even without changes in Washington, though, they point out that libraries could be on safe legal ground—and immune from significant copyright infringement penalties—undertaking projects involving “mass digitization, the use of orphan works, and large-scale preservation.” Legal uncertainty often stymies such work. But the library associations stress the safety valve of “fair use,” a limitation to copyright law that may permit reproductions for teaching and research.

“There is a lot that we believe we can do under the status quo,” says Prue Adler, associate executive director of the Association of Research Libraries. ”Let’s have more libraries doing what Michigan is doing and use that as a model.”

What Michigan is doing is “detective work,” as Ms. Levine puts it. She has students probing in-copyright works from 1923 to 1963. They’re trying to determine ownership and, in the event that isn’t possible, documenting the dead ends that led them to conclude a work is orphaned.

They’re also developing methods that other HathiTrust institutions can use to speed up a task that Michigan says will require the hand-checking of millions of books. And the university will also create a way to publicize information about the orphans so their owners can have the chance to claim them.

There’s a strong possibility that the majority of orphans won’t have any surviving person or entity to claim ownership, according to the Michigan library.

The hope is to increase access to the orphan works after researching their status, Ms. Levine says, but how broad that access might be isn’t clear yet.

“That’s very much a question of how the institutions feel, in terms of liability exposure,” Ms. Levine says. “Personally I think that if something is an orphan, you should be able to make it available broadly, but it might not go that far, just depending on institutional comfort levels.”

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  • d_fevens

    And the university will also create a way to publicize information about
    the orphans so their owners can have the chance to claim them.

    The work of finding copyright owners should have occurred before Google and its library partners copied the volumes in the first place. Their failure to do so shows their lack of respect for the intellectual property of others.

    Douglas Fevens,
    Halifax, Nova Scotia
    The University of Wisconsin, Google, & Me

  • mbelvadi

     If a person dies without any heirs at all, what happens to their property? Does it become owned by the state in which they last lived? If so, would that mean that various state governments might be the copyright holders of many of these works?

  • iporter

    Frankly, d_fevens, “respect for the intellectual property of others” doesn’t mean treating it like kryptonite, such that we never touch it. Furthermore, given your statement, it appears that you subscribe to a rigid notion of intellectual property that makes it more akin to a car than an idea. Although it is a well-worn argument, that the spirit of US copyright law was (and arguably still is) focused on the common good, not individual IP owners, remains important to reiterate. We aren’t supposed to completely ignore an owner’s IP until they give us the magic key to unlock the wonders of his or her ideas. In a sense, following copyright law, the American public has at least a small stake (dare I say part ownership) in any individual’s IP. Finally, I think it’s time we eschew the baggage of Enlightenment notions of authorship, because the image of the individual genius in the dimly lit room conjuring his (and it always is a “him”) great ideas is fictional.

  • commentarius

    Fevens awakes every morning to look for any article about Google Books to which he can mourn his wounded psyche.  Heavens, somebody scanned his obscure book without his permission (which he wouldn’t have given in any case).  And now this victim-hero can shake his fist at the sky and curse the tides for the rest of his days.   Surely there is something better to do with one’s time in Halifax, Nova Scotia?  Or maybe not.

  • d_fevens

    When the University of Wisconsin and Google made copies of my work, they did not use my ideas which the book contains, they copied it as a whole work & commercialized that whole work on the world wide web.

  • robert_wyatt

     I think you mean “Fevens awakes every morning to Google for any article about Google Books”

  • d_fevens

     Actually I Yahoo.  Google has been removed from my toolbar.

  • delonix

     I believe Google commercialized its access, not the work or ideas. 

  • http://twitter.com/dwythe Deb Wythe

    Hats’ off to Melissa and her team! I’m always happy to see people who aren’t paralyzed by the uncertainty inherent in things like orphaned works. There’s a lot we can do that’s low risk and high reward for the community.

  • lawman

    This decision by the Court is obviously Israel’s fault!

  • 609zr

    http://avpv.tripod.com/AmericanVictims.html

    Mr. Taner Akçam is a very brave man.  While the pursuit of multiculturalism is romantic in thought, it is suicidal in practice.  Friends and acquaintances from around the world are a beautiful experience but, the global village is an academic’s naive failure to recognize and let be the wonderful differences between us.    

  • bscmath78

    idomeneo’s excellent set of points has buried the lead, “I would use AP scores”.

    If employers are looking for a signaling device then a string of top STEM AP scores, confirming  high school marks and confirming SAT/ACT scores are excellent first round filters for hiring 10 summer students for each eventual position.  Then the actual performance on the job of the 10 summer students would determine who gets the job offer at the end of summer (1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th depending on circumstances). 

    Nothing is a very good predictor of college or job performance. In a 1984 study of ALL of the 200+ computer science majors, from one specific year, at one specific university (so much more of an “apples to apples” analysis with less opportunity for sampling error or selection bias), SAT-Verbal was useless at predicting the cumulative GPA of 3 semesters, SAT-Math predicted 6% and High School Math, Science and English marks predicted 20%.  For more information please see http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/12-inconvenient-truths-about-american-higher-education/31282#comment-414725532

    College GPA has been shown to be a poor predictor of on the job performance as well as graduate school performance and research success.  So AP, High School, SAT/ACT and actual summer job performance are much faster, cheaper and reliable ways of reducing risk or at least getting rid of 90% of applicants.

    For the dubious nature of CLA and “Academically Adrift” you might start with http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/12-inconvenient-truths-about-american-higher-education/31282#comment-413855323 and my other comments in the thread. 
     
    Most jobs would be better done by smart 5th graders as demonstrated by the “Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader” TV game show.  
     
    For certain types of jobs the important “signaling device” should be selecting based on prep schools like Groton, Exeter, Andover etc.  As Unemployed_northeastern has reported, going to a prestigious LAC actually degrades the intellect of a graduate of a good though non-Groton-level prep school. 

    Also, never forget, hiring an executive’s child is usually a smart move, at least politically.

    Hiring at 16 would help so many minds avoid the mind numbing and wasting of college.

  • Gregory_Sadler

    Well, its certainly not true that “the CLA is actually only used by researchers producing papers and books like “Academically Adrift.”  — something I know, admittedly, only because of my own involvement in it at my previous institution (Fayetteville State University) where I used it in my own Critical thinking classes for both formative and summative assessment, and where we also used it for institutional assessment (here’s one report: tinyurl.com/7lazq8z ) and incorporated it into the most recent Quality Enhancement Plan (http://www.uncfsu.edu/qep/ )

    The point of the CLA was not just to provide yet another assessment coming from experts from the outside, but to put tools into the hands of instructors and administrators to incorporate genuine assessment of Critical Thinking, Problem Solving, and Written Communication.

    You’re right about GIGO, though — like any other assessment, those using it have to really know what they’re doing (not always the case) and you have to get student involvement (which can be done or poorly)

  • hayahways

    The problem with the 40-something is not that she is unwilling to imagine a better life for herself.  My guess is that, like so many other women in her age group, there are many in her life who depend on her keeping that miserable job because of the wages and benefits tied to it - children, spouse, and, quite possibly, one or both of her parents. 

  • not4nothin

    Can’t decide if you want to be a brain surgeon or a
    double-naught spy, or both? 

    Don’t worry; twenty years of post-graduate work at the School
    of Hard Knocks will face slap those silly notions right out of you.

    You’ll end up doing whatever it takes to keep your nose and
    mouth above the deep, dark and cold waters. 

  • williamfee

    My daughter dreamed about working with gorillas. She does and loves it! My son is a real people person and manages a major hotel. Both kids are in professions aligned with their college degrees, doing what they WANT to do! I’ve just found out my contract for next year will not be renewed. Time for me to chase my dreams! Sometimes you have to be pushed!

  • 22108469

    When I was growing up in the Dark Ages, the only working women I knew were my teachers and a great-aunt who worked in academic publishing. Having no imagination but a good grasp of grammar, spelling, and punctuation, I decided to pursue academic publishing and did so for a number of years. If money, time, age, and health were not critical factors, today I would pursue gerontology. Everybody who’s lucky gets old.

  • luigi

    I would work at  my professional teaching job part-time (I like my job). For the rest of the time, I would write popular books, be a motivational speaker, travel more,  and spend more time watching Turner Classic Movies. Maybe I would sell books  on Amazon as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Antsy-Kuhnwisse/100002159499682 Antsy Kuhnwisse

    I’ve always felt that I wouldn’t *want* to be paid to do what I love and care about most, since then I’d be answerable to (and possibly constrained by) whoever was paying me.  Even with a free hand to do whatever I saw fit, the mere fact of being paid might take the joy out of it.  I’d rather be *good at* my job than love it; that’s satisfaction enough for me.  I’ll use my personal time to pursue my personal pursuits.

  • hdstearman

    I would want to be a supporting actor in a not-too-awful repertory company or a street musician in San Francisco (although there’s a kind of performance art involved in my current gig as an associate provost, too).

  • polstergeist

    As I age, I find that sort of special-snowflake, “why not do and have everything I want?-sort of optimism annoying. At the same time, I find it unnerving that it annoys me. At 40 myself, with a spouse, young children, aging parents, and work obligations (full-time, but as yet ABD and not tenure-track)–I can be as jaded as anyone else.

    On the other hand, it takes tremendous optimism and a certain denial of harsh job-market realities to go back to school and earn a doctorate in one’s mid/late thirties in spite of all these obligations. I pursue this dream purely for me, for my own sense of intellectual achievement. Which sounds perhaps as idealistic from a forty-year-old as the ambitions of young Dr. Wedding Planner, MD, PhD, etc, etc. I have a supportive spouse, a job I like, and a clear personal goal. But that’s not enough to keep such naked naïveté from bringing me down a bit, living in the actual world as I do.

    In short, to quote that icon of literature Jack Nicholson, “What if this is as good as it gets?”

  • kkliu

    As a 30ish reader, I’m glad to split the difference between your examples :).

    The keys to a happy professional life (so far) has been 1.) Keeping a critical eye out for what’s working for me and what isn’t, and 2.) Consistently reevaluating both past experiences and my own professional needs. It’s a ongoing process, requiring tons of micro-adjustments and a really uncomfortable amount of ambiguity (especially at cocktail parties). But, ~10 years out of college, it feels like I’m getting better at homing in on happy career situations.

    Basic personality don’t change that much: if there’s a topic I enjoyed in college, ten to one it’s still fascinating to me today, to a greater or lesser degree. At the same time, what you need out of your lifestyle can change a lot. Recently I recognized that I want to get paid more – “starving artist” was fun, but now it’s not as fun. So I’m slightly adjusting my career path to keep the art but remove the starving :). It’s not perfect (that would be “rich artist), but it’s a happier fit.

    Those would be key #3, I think: 3.) Understanding that there’s no perfect situation, but there is a better one. And a fourth would be a cliche: 4.) Don’t get hung up on “failures” (choices that you thought would be better but weren’t). As long as it gave you more information about your preferences, and you USE it to improce your next choice (I.e. don’t stick out a bad situation for years just so you don’t have to face the idea that you made a mistake up), the experience had value.

    (Hopping off soapbox)

  • budlevin

    interdisciplinary.  fascinating term. i first heard it in higher ed more than 60 years ago. when it comes to jeffersonian general education, interdisciplinary makes much sense. however, its status within the formal structure of academe remains now as it was then — marginal at best.  on the up side, the booming diyu/free university movement may succeed at what traditional higher ed has not — helping students understand connections. 

    we live in interesting times. 

  • raymond_j_ritchie

    A lot depends on whether you believe you live in a meritocracy or not.  If you believe you live in a partially functional meritocracy but in which a lot depends on sheer dumb luck you are not likely to be too disappointed.  As a first generation graduate and PhD who worked hard and published a lot of work but nevertheless was never able to get a secure job I know that but it is still hard to explain it to an 18 y old.  I feel duty bound to tell students that you can work very hard, do good work and have all the qualifications in the world and still never get a decent job.  It is not something wrong will you, your lottery ticket number did not come up.
     I think Australians are more realistic about such realities.  Americans are so heavily programmed that they are living in an actual meritocracy that disappointment, lack of feeling of worth and falling for conspiracy theories is the fate of most.

  • grward

    I find, at my institution at least, that the word “interdisciplinary” has been replaced by “multidisciplinary” or “transdisciplinary” which I find amusing as it seems to evoke a religious connotation. From what I can gather, it is what the faculty say that students should be, but faculty members should not. Oh, they promote inter/multi/transdisciplinary approaches in their own research, of course. But what they mean is a combination of researchers from different specializations, each individual researcher as specialized as possible, all being named on the same grant.

  • 11333651

    Maybe the ages and life circumstances of the women described are immaterial.  In the words of Abraham Lincoln, “Most people are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.”

  • copesan

    Maybe that woman was never taught to dream. Or maybe, age/gender discrimination blocked her, as happens in the academy.

  • crazdintellectual

    I would be a professional ghost hunter, hands down, if money were not an object.  Do I believe ghosts are real?  Honestly, that’s irrelevant.  I just want to go to the amazing locations and feel the rush that comes from having the wits scared out of me.

    Otherwise, I am happy with my job, which is in an academic library (unhaunted, unfortunately) managing the serials collection.  I kind of figured that I would go with the flow of life, perhaps try new things as they struck my fancy, and work with what I was given. As unfasionable as it is nowadays, I always knew I wanted to get married and have kids.  I agree with the quote from Abraham Lincoln.  I know people who have had hard lives, dislike their jobs, and are struck with tragedy after tragedy.  And yet, they are still able to make the best of the situation and be fulfilled because their contentment is not tied to something as fleeting as emotions or this life.

  • ahamel1976

    I am DELIGHTED with what I am doing now.  Right after college, I started working at a graduate school where a position was created for me, but was told by my parents that I needed to get a “real” job.  So, when the opportunity to work in the private sector came up, I took it.  While I learned a lot from that job and made a few close friends, I HATED it.  Therefore, when I started that job search, I only looked in academia, and (thankfully) in a couple of months landed a fabulous position within another professional program.  If money were no object, I might choose to volunteer full time with a food bank instead, but otherwise, working with faculty and students is my true calling and I love it!

  • tlg60

    This is an issue I wrestle with daily because as someone over 40 I feel like the older woman and wonder what happened to the younger me which resembles the younger woman.  I wonder how I got to this place and how to get back to where I once was which was open to everything and optimistic.  I chalked it up to being practical. The economy has changed so much from the 80s when I was coming up.  I’ve done many things so everything seems like the same ole same ole and I’m downright bored!  I wish I had pursued some of the creative outlets I was exposed to but I didn’t and now it seems to be too late.  This is what leads to midlife crisis and I’d tell any young person that when you get older you rarely regret the things you did but you always regret the things you didn’t do so go for it while you’re young and have less to risk.

  • MChag12

    The key phase key, of course, is “If money were no concern.”  I work at a University in Florida that has become a toxic environment; beyond the State’s desire to destroy the system, the students are unprepared, entitled, lazy and angry; the faculty is alienated and depressed, and the administration is corrupt and power-hungry.  If I had my choice, I would quit.  I would be in an environment where the students were anxious to learn, talk to one another and their mentors, the faculty was collaborative and had the resources to pursue their careers as they thought they would go, and the environment was supportive.  I do love my discipline, but being stuck when there are no jobs (especially for full professors) where no one cares and where the larger environment (South Florida) is not, lets say, culture heavy, is depressing and sometimes feels like prison.  So the answer is simple.  Move, find a supportive and exciting environment, and work with students and faculty alike.  Is that too much to ask?  In these days of tea-party politics and economic chaos, apparently so.  How do you not give up on some level? I tell my students that we are not living in good times.  I do work with people outside the university and internationally that provide some sanity, but the everyday environment is well, as described.

  • pcnsc

    I think many times we pursue “dreams of convenience” as opposed to “dreams of passion”. It was convenient for me pursue a career in construction because it paid the bills.  After falling in love with my wife it was convenient for me to follow her love of working in Africa instead of pursuing an academic career in the US. Now, it is convenient for me to continue working in Africa because I love it (well, some days I hate it when the power goes off). Somehow however, I feel blessed to be doing what I like instead of doing what I must, like working in the US just for a paycheck. My dream of convenience became my dream of passion because I put others first.

    Bottom line is we all make choices in our lives and no matter how “stuck” one feels there is opportunity beyond our self-imposed borders for adventure, love, knowledge, and all the things that motivate us to live beyond dreams of convenience.

  • treesandleaves

    I am a fifth-year graduate student at a top-tier university. While I landed a campus interview for a job (and someone last night told me that I shouldn’t complain), I am deeply troubled and discouraged about the state of academia. Personalities, not scholarship, seem to matter most in hiring decisions. I sacrificed my productive twenties because, like many idealists, I wanted to change the world. The most troubling aspect is that I feel like I’ve chosen the wrong career and I am too far along to turn back. What am I going to do, all of the sudden, decide to become a pilot? Then I could just be exploited in another job. I have no choice but to keep on keepin on as Dylan says.

  • allencar

     What a fabulous and interesting idea! I can see lots of interesting teaching tools being developed that might promote STEM fields to a wider range of students.

  • allencar

    To truly be the best at something, I think you need to have a passion for it. If you don’t have that passion and joy from the effort you put in and the progress you make, life becomes drudgery. Are there things you have to do in a job that don’t bring joy? Of course! But around 30% of your life is spent at work. If I can get joy out of at least half of that, count me in!

  • cinnamonowl

    I just have to shake my head at some of the comments.

    First off, there’s data showing that most of us are going to change our jobs at least 10 times throughout our lifetime anyway.

    Secondly, some of you folks need to watch Randy Pausch’s “The Last Lecture”. Or read the book. He was creative, and found opportunities to explore interests. 

    This young lady has the potential to do the same, if she tempers her enthusiasm with a little more data, and a little more part-time work experience. She might find that she doesn’t like real estate, as far as selling, but that her license helps her choose better investment vehicles (i.e. space near a busy hospital). Then she can co-own an event planning company that specializes in helping health professionals, or those undergoing long-term treatment, and it can be a hobby, or a part-time business.  

    I had a friend in college who wanted to go to medical school, in order to get the money to do what she really wanted: build an amusement park. Fortunately, a mediocre score on the MCAT caused her to rethink her plans. After two master’s and at least one PhD, the last I heard of her, she was working as a Disney Imagineer.

  • cinnamonowl

    Couple of thoughts.

    1) Personalities matter in hiring decisions no matter where you work. People don’t just look at at output, they look at “fit”.

    I’m not even a faculty member (though I’ve been on search committees before), but I can tell you part of the issue is that people know they might be working with you for decades, if you end up on the (shrinking) tenure track.

    2) You are not too far along to turn back, if you think you found the wrong career. You *do* have a choice, even if the choice is to do nothing. There are lots of resources for PhD and masters graduates who want to work outside of academia – try the Versatile PhD website. You can start out on the academic path and then do occasional informational interviews about careers that sound more interesting. Or find a way to incorporate your other interest into your life, for instance, through a part-time pursuit, or something you want to pursue in the summers.

    3) Everybody feels like they made mistakes in their twenties. The great thing about our lives now is that, even with a crappy economy, we still have access to inexpensive knowledge, ideas, advice and other resources (especially on the Internet), and most of us, if we work at it, can have the good health and energy to try a new path. Can’t speak for everyone, but my thirties have been so much better than my twenties.

    4) Ease up on yourself. You’re going through a big transition. It’s normal to be freaked or have mixed feelings.

  • ccsulib

    Hayaways,
    I understand she might have people that need her to keep her miserable job. Change starts from within, in the meantime, she could get new skills or also send out her resume, to try to get another job that she will have passion for.

    I don’t get the fixed mentality of the world, whereby she or he has others relying on him/her so therefore be miserable the rest of your life.  No way, I can see having a job we despise for a year or so, but for a career no way.  The future is hers, but the problem I see with people, including myself is sometimes it is easier to not do anything, than to do something.

    That could be because we are afraid of failure, or in my case I am afraid of success, or it could be we just have taken are fate.    However, I know we can change and I know even with a miserable job we  can start looking at the good each day, training ourselves to look for it. Perhaps, she might find that people respond to her differently, but more importantly, she needs to look for work elsewhere and put herself out there or this article 10 years from now will be the 50 year old woman, life only comes once as you know.

    Live it, breath it, be it.   Adversity makes us who we are, I know this, and I still fight myself as I want to quit when I am about to be successful which I have to push myself through, sometimes I  am successful and other times I am not.  The key is life is a journey and it begins with us :).

  • philostitute

    Amen – worked hard, graduated valedictorian of my undergrad class, earned Masters & PhD with lots of awards, presentations, etc.  and still no TT job in this harsh market.  At 47 I am leaving academia as it is soul crushing. Better to work for money than love when the administrators and TT faculty at most institutions are just interested in saving their own jobs. 

     Teaching, though a passion, will now be treated like the part-time gig it is.  Most of the dinosaurs in my field do not understand interdisciplinary scholarship and look down on my comp sci background because it isn’t purely theoretical.  Hence, I am taking my dreams and talent some place else no matter how much encouragement and positive feedback I get from students, peers and supervisors.  Just a lot of hot air and empty complements with poverty level wages. It has totally soured my view of college level teaching. 

  • treesandleaves

    Thank you for the kind words and suggestions. This actually made me feel a bit better. I have saved your post on my computer and will check the website you mentioned. 

  • minnesotan

     And this problem is restricted to middle-aged females alone?

  • minnesotan

     This reply demonstrates what I was thinking the hidden difference between the two people was: attitude. Some people can realize that they need to work a crappy job while they hone the skills necessary to advance. Other people would rather stay in their crappy job and whine to everyone about their lack of opportunity. There’s plenty of opportunity out there; you just have to work for it.

  • philostitute

    My advice – get out now in your 30s while you are still relatively young.  Academia is dysfunctional at best and if you do not land a TT job soon, there will be none left as the profession is being de-professionalized by administrators who fight to save their own jobs and hire adjuncts instead of replacing TT faculty lines.  

    I spent 7 wasted years post-doc with a FT non-TT job looking and interviewing in the mid-Atlantic and NE regions.  I have several teaching awards and a great application.  All but two of the searches were cancelled due to budgetary reasons (cutting TT jobs in favor of adjuncts) and the few that continued paid less than my non-TT job so it made no sense to pursue them.  Leave academia while you can and do not get stuck as a lecturer or non-TT faculty member; it is a slow painful death that crushes dreams.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751868780 Shaun Thomas

    I have to agree with some of this content. I am seeing several threads of thinking in your article. I tend to be a fluid thinker. Right now, I feel that I can’t do education as I have a family that takes a fair amount of my time

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751868780 Shaun Thomas

    I have tried in vain to find a college that will accept me in as a student. Credentials are required that are above my Credentials. In the local area no college has offered me anything.  Shaun Thomas

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751868780 Shaun Thomas

    I know how you might feel. I have run into very poor higher ed programs which can leave a student or professor to leave.  Shaun Thomas

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751868780 Shaun Thomas

    Yes

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Antsy-Kuhnwisse/100002159499682 Antsy Kuhnwisse

    I forced myself to watch all of ”The Last Lecture.”  I found a few good moments, but most of it annoyed me mightily.  I felt that much of it didn’t apply to me, and disagreed with some of it entirely.  I suppose I’m all alone in feeling that way about it, since I’ve never heard another soul criticize the speech.

    However, I have no disagreement with the rest of your comment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Antsy-Kuhnwisse/100002159499682 Antsy Kuhnwisse

    Should everyone expect to be “truly the best at something”?  (Sounds like Lake Wobegon, where everyone is above average.)  Do sanitation workers and bookkeepers and warehouse employees all need ”passion” for what they do?  I’d say any job with decent working conditions, in which one can be reasonably true to one’s principles and have some pride in a job well-done, may not bring “joy” but is a great deal better than “drudgery.”

    And, as I said, we can pursue our passions on our own time.  (Which I do.)

  • outskiing

    I’m encouraging my kids to pursure thier passions. I wish I’d had the guts to do so when I had the opportunity. I still dream and work part-time on my passions, but that magic window between school and kids is too good  to pass up.

  • raymond_j_ritchie

    Why not do what I did?  After getting my nose rubbed in it for the last time at Sydney University I finally packed up and ran away to SE Asia.  My only regret is that I put it off until I was 57.  The pay may be terrible but there are a lot of things in its favour, especially the refreshing feeling of being needed.  The dumb-luck element in science is important to realise.  It keeps you sane.  The last entry-level tenure track position I applied for in Australia had 400 applicants (2010).  In such circumstances, how can short-listing and appointing someone be a rational process?  It is a lottery.
    Science “careers” have a lot closer similarity to high level sports than most people realise.  You are little more than labour at the bench. Few get a real job out of it and your merit has not got much to do with whether you do or not. The sweet 16 girl swimming up and down a pool all day does not realise she is creating a career for one person and one person only – her bloody coach. Like a greyhound she will be disposed of the moment she no longer performs.  Her coach however, has a nice job and does not even need to be able to swim.

  • jeff_winger

    That triple major 20 something undergraduate is wiser than our whole society of stacked decks and “realty” or practicality that denies the dreams of most of the humans trapped within it. Our society creates sad dreamless humans like so many 40+ers, continually wasting those very lives which could have done so much to make this world a better place. All of which functions perfectly, though with diabolical inefficiency, to ensure that things stay as they are.
    A human should be an event planner/realtor/anaesthesiologist as a start, adding parent, spouse, musician, etc. on as they go. Humans would be happier working 60 hours at 3 different jobs than spending 40+ at one. That is the lunacy, not the triple major undergraduate’s dream of 3 careers. No, the lunacy is that so many of us settle for just one career, that millions of humans spend their working lives toiling away at one kind of work.
    That is insane or, at least, very much inhuman.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Antsy-Kuhnwisse/100002159499682 Antsy Kuhnwisse

    I think your support of the young woman is great, and you and she may indeed be happy doing many different things, but not everyone is like that.  There are some quiet people who prefer their simple, regular, orderly lives.  People like that are worthy of respect, too.

  • jeff_winger

    For clarity, there are carers where one does a variety of types of work. And, humans manage to find human rewards within the inhumanity of our system. And, of course, ask people are not the same.

  • allencar

     I agree that everyone doesn’t need to be as enthusiastic about what they do as I am, but, whether they are restaurant servers, sanitation workers, bookkeepers, or college professors – people who enjoy what they do, generally put forth more effort and do a better job. While my use of the term “passion” may be too strong for you, I believe we agree that people should enjoy what they do. I get frustrated to see new associate professors (our school has hired several recently) who only whine about having to teach 2 classes a semester and not having an established lab to work in where someone will give them research direction. It is sad to have wasted the years getting a PhD only to find that you hate teaching and have no direction for research, but it is even sadder to feel compelled to continue doing something you hate just because you completed an education in it.

    BTW – I do know several bookkeepers and two sanitation workers (the only 2 I know) who really do enjoy their jobs.