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Think You’ll Make Big Bucks in Online Ed? Not So Fast, Experts Say

March 30, 2011, 6:47 pm

Oak Brook, Ill.—For universities facing tight budgets, it can be tempting to look at online education as a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Shifting classes to online and blended formats will save money, some think—or, better yet, bring in more of it.

Not so fast, warned e-learning experts from three public universities who spoke on a panel at the Sloan Consortium’s annual conference on blended learning Tuesday.

Generating money is “one of the worst reasons” to get into online and blended learning, argued Joel Hartman, vice provost and chief information officer at the University of Central Florida. He pointed to the recent failure of the University of Illinois’s Global Campus, for example, and older flame-outs like Columbia’s Fathom and NYUonline.

“If you look back over time, and read anything about the major online initiatives that have failed,” he told the audience, “one of the things that’s characteristic of all of them is they went into business intending to make a lot of money on online learning and blended learning. It just doesn’t happen that way.”

The discussion was prompted by an audience member who wanted to know if blended classes—meaning classes that replace some face-to-face time with online work—can save an institution money.

One problem with that desire, panelists said, is that starting online programs can mean significant upfront costs for technology, training, and instructional designers.

“Right now, you’re not going to be saving money because you should be investing money,” said Tanya Joosten, interim associate director at the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee’s Learning Technology Center.

(Not everyone heeds that advice. During an earlier workshop in the conference, one where most participants were involved with blended education, Ms. Joosten was shocked to learn that only about 20 percent had faculty development.)

Down the line, the investment in online learning can pay returns, Mr. Hartman added. That comes once programs have grown to the point that they take advantage of the economics of scale.

Central Florida is a good example: Blended and online courses account for 30 percent of total credit hours at the institution. Not counting faculty salaries, the university generates about $20 for every $1 invested in blended learning, Mr. Hartman said.

There’s another way nonprofit universities can quickly ratchet up their online programs, though: outsourcing to for-profit companies. Those companies collect a share of tuition revenue in exchange for marketing, course construction, and other services.

One outsourcing example highlighted during another session at the same conference was the University of Southern California’s deal with 2tor. Such partnerships can go “from 0 to 1000 students in a matter of months,” said Josh Jarrett, a senior program officer at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

“The rumor is USC got about a $6-million check the first year of that partnership,” Mr. Jarrett said during his keynote address. (The relevant section comes about 48 minutes into the speech.)

A USC spokeswoman, Merrill Balassone, declined to discuss the financials of the university’s contract with 2tor. But she did say that one of the online programs USC runs with help from the vendor, a master of arts in teaching, has grown tenfold in two years, from 144 students when it began in 2009 to about 1,400 today.

(This post was updated Thursday morning to reflect new information provided by USC.)

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  • http://twitter.com/Trace_Urdan Trace Urdan

    This speech would be funny were it not so, well, pathetic.

    An online provider relayed this story to me a few years ago. In renegotiating a contract, the provider said to the large state school representative, “Look at your enrollment growth, you must be making money hand over fist!” To which the large state school representative replied, “Are you kidding? Do you have any idea what a full page ad in the Wall Street Journal costs!?”

    If you don’t get why that’s funny, then, as the New York Times would say, you don’t get it.

  • arrive2__net

    Starting an online campus stands to be less expensive that a whole new brick and mortar campus, but it can still cost a lot of money in time, tech, and personnel. That is in contrast with the early thinking in online and distance education…that it would be cheap and easy. Good points.

    Bernard Schuster
    Arrive2.net
    Twitter.com/arrive2_net

  • http://twitter.com/hwathington Heather Wathington

    About time someone started to ‘fess up. Online teaching is expensive…

  • richardtaborgreene

    Some issues never die——-yaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn

    ALL THIS TERRITORY has been thoroughly examined, explored, and experimented with/in/by/on/under 30 years ago when industry had WAN then Web services to support business processses (which included first Corporate University–laughs—”distributed” courses). To wit:

    1) A WEAVE WORKS—of minimal e-mediated contact (the more minimal the better) WITH intense face–to-face mass workshop events (3-days each max).
    2) TUNE THE WEAVE—each course or process requires tuning of how much event how often of what type PUNCTUATES the isolation of e-mediation enough to keep morale, flows of assignments, and understanding growing well.
    3) INITIAL ERRORS—are always putting WAY TOO MUCH into the e-mediation system, and trying, however, unconsciously and indirectly, to eliminate the face-to-face component.

    Note—you CANNOT punctuate an e-mediated process with ORDINARY CONFERENCES AND MEETINGS AND CLASSES—you punctuate with, instead, Mass Workshop Events (I have a book with chapters on this—Knowledge Epitome). These are special events with social automata replacing usual discussions and meetings.

    Industry after industry reported convergence on this same formula from 1985 to 2000. Every single company tried to push too much onto the e-mediation stream or tried to punctuate it with usual conferences and meetings. Only those with especially structured and intense short term meetings face to face survived.

    Weave-Tune-WorkshopEvents

    I think the Bigger Problem the conference tip toe-ed around is this:

    All time spent on re-format-ing stuff for e-mediation, increases the datedness of the ideas and material. All faculty time spent on that, reduces journal publication, tenure, and institutional rank and fame. The vast formatting work involved in these systems of instruction push:
    contents to datedness
    faculty and institution to low rank.

    THAT is a problem a real long term big problem. To delve into these systems is to commit career suicide. Nothing less. Nice idea, wrong institutional matrix. context, etc. Nice try no banana

  • paievoli

    By nature the business model of tuition does not allow for enough margin to create sufficient revenue. Colleges must look at alternative revenue streams that have no cost associated with them in order to go forward and meet their goals. They have to come to realize this soon. “It’s not the movie it’s the lunchboxes” – Plain Yogurt

  • shandel

    Discourse on best practices in teaching and learning is healthy, but the tension evidenced in this article and comments over online programs in higher ed is more of a business model discussion that unfortunately may lead some to doubt the efficacy and value of the medium itself.

    What gets lost in conversations like this is the strength of partnerships between universities and outside development companies, the value that each party brings to the table, and the cost impacts of such relationships.

    Working with a faculty subject matter expert to develop a quality online offering leverages the skillsets of both the university and the online development company. While this investment of time is significant for the first launch of such a semester-length course (5 or more hours per week for 2-3 months), the instructionally-designed program that results from this collaboration enables the university to expand its audience and the qualiy of its brand, and therefore its revenue in ways that would be challenging in the absence of such a partnership. There is a cost of entry, but creative business modeling can help universities offset these costs. Given the model that Marc references in this article, where for-profit companies partner with a university for a share of the revenue, everyone has a stake in keeping costs reasonable and ensuring the success of the programs once delivered.

    There are two paradigms that have not proven entirely successful: One in which the company that develops the learning program delivers it and walks away and the one wherein the university depends on faculty working with minimal support to develop and deliver their own online courses. At the end of the day, most of the faculty we have aworked with tell us that while developing their online course with us was challenging, it has helped them reflect on their classroom teaching.

    The goal is not to replace one type of learning with the other but rather to sustain the great value that an on-campus learning experience provides and to extend the value of that excellence in teaching beyond the campus walls.

    -Sheri Handel
    http://www.logicbay.com

  • rich2

    The Chronicle has been inaccurate for years in its reporting on distance or blended learning, profitability, and programs offered by the 4-year land grant university. This article is a prime example. Online programs can be extremely profitable for the non-profits, without outsourcing or partnering with a for-profit entity, with little or no upfront investment. At my university, I have demonstrated time and again how new distance and blended program will be “profitable” by the time the first entering group of students graduate. The examples of failure listed in this article did the opposite: they invested in overhead, technology and training first then sought market development. The keys are obvious and since they are not mentioned by the Chronicle, I believe the explanation is that the Chronicle must “outsource” its reporting on this issue to someone who does not have practical experience in leading distance and blended learning programs. The keys are to launch programs were there is demonstrated market need for the program in an online format: professional degree programs, targeting the working professional, typically at the graduate level. It is not difficult at all. I have done it for a decade and this “mystery” over how to do it is nonsense. Why is this story repeated? I think it is because it is re-assuring and comforting for the readership of the Chronicle to read that online is not necessarily profitable. Five years ago, the Chronicle published articles questioning the “validity” of online pedagogy. Now the emphasis has shifted to the profitability of online education. Shame on you, Chronicle, for advancing a highly misleading story line.

  • raza_khan

    I am always amazed that why a campus should even begin to offer online courses. Is it for the money or the for the betterment of the students.

    If it is for the sake of money, the campus is a business! If not, then it is an academic institution that is seeking innovative avenues for student learning.

    Yes… you do not have to remind me as to how many academic institutions have been morphed into a business. I know… in few years time, this will have a ripple effect to K-12.

    There are many campuses who will tell you it is profitable and those who say with data that it is not. I, as faculty, am more concerned about the product – the online student!

    Raza
    ___________________________
    Raza Khan, Ph.D.

  • martlily

    The real question is why can a third party be profitable, when the institution itself cannot. The answer, a bunch of academics running it versus individuals with an operating focus to offer the best experience for the student while gaining operating leverage.

  • http://saurilio.blogspot.com Suzanne Aurilio

    Historically, that is, since the 19th century, distance education has often been touted for being economically desirable. The more systematized it’s become, the less transparent the economics of it have become too. Take for example, the so-called green argument. The cost of printing, heating and lighting is simply off-loaded onto students; the cost of e-waste is not even figured into the equation. The commute argument, as it relates to the U.S., is a bit dubious too, considering Americans’ driving habits overall. In short, we have neither evidence nor the cultural disposition to make a reflective or honest appraisal of the situation. Let’s not forget too that ideology more than anything, informs educational policy and practice.

  • pr_professional

    Universities committed to providing a quality online education experience for the student know this: the only cost saving is in “classroom rental.” And those savings are wiped out by other costs including the need to engage distance learning designers, who optimize courses for the Web (for instance, taking advantage of interarctive and social learning features). You still have the cost of instructors. No savings on scale there, Unless, of course, you treat an online course like a lecture hall of infinite size with limited or no meaningful interaction with instructors or between classmates. Or unless you deploy a cookie-cutter model, a one-size-fits-all curriculum with identical content and delivered in exactly the same way by multiple, interchangeable instructors who have no personal connection with that curriculum. These are not roads any university of prestige will take, because universities of prestige care about the student learning experience above all else. We’ll keep costs down by using open source learning management systems, for instance–but we’ll spend where we need to to give students the quality learning experience they deserve.

  • Guest

    There is so much apathy in these statements that it’s depressing. I think someone with an innovative idea and an entrepreneurial flair could create something which is both useful and profitable in the educational field. If schools are commissioned to create these for-profit ventures then they will have a higher probability of failure since this is not the mentality or business of universities. I have created a free site for educational purposes called http://Enterthegroup.com.
    Perhaps educational institutions can look to the private sector for cheaper solutions which can make a big difference for students and teachers.

  • allen_lind

    “Central Florida is a good example: Blended and online courses account for 30 percent of total credit hours at the institution. Not counting faculty salaries, the university generates about $20 for every $1 invested in blended learning, Mr. Hartman said.”

    “The rumor is USC got about a $6-million check the first year of that partnership,” Mr. Jarrett said during his keynote address. (The relevant section comes about 48 minutes into the speech.)”

    The article content does not seem to match the title “Think You’ll Make Big Bucks in Online Ed? Not So Fast, Experts Say”

  • fiscalwizard

    What is this “not counting faculty salaries” in proclaiming a return of $20 for each $1 spent? That’s like saying “not counting the words in it, the book is great.” How can anyone who can walk and chew gum at the same time write such silliness.

  • oldphilprof

    It is a bit disconcerting and worrisome that noone is addressing the issue of quality of education here. Perhaps that says something truly deep about the entire topic of online education.

  • Prof_truthteller

    Well said, pr_professinal. I would only add that it’s not solely the “universities of prestige” that care about student learning. It could be argued to be true of all non profit universities. It’s only the for-profits that, by their very nature, are forced to put profits ahead of any other goal.

  • raymond_j_ritchie

    Adelaide is the most conservative city-state in Australia and not really a place to try and set up these enterprises. Everyone will show too much curiousity. Try Queensland or Western Australia where you can get away with almost anything.

  • chuckkle

    “The movement’s grandiloquent conceit—“We are the 99 percent”— squanders whatever moral credibility the students might have in aligning their grievances with the broader public.”
    Peter Wood seems to have been either asleep for the past month or at his old dodge of purposeful misdirection.  Given that reform of the financial sector is repeatedly demanded across the manifold forms and locales of OWS, and that now copious documentation has come forward of what that 1% own and controls, and that unions and community groups groups have joined in, the outlines are pretty clear.  But not to PW, who poses the question, “What exactly is that ‘sentiment?’” as if no one could figure it out.

    The now well-known problems of predatory home loans, credit default swaps, mamoth profits and executive bonuses for Too Big To Fail businesses, predatory for-profit college corporations, the sharp decline in family wage jobs for the working and middle classes, and so forth don’t exist on his horizon, it seems.  That young people might be jobless more because of  the high rate of unemployment than not having obtained “marketable skills” seems hard for PW to grasp.  (And now this promotion of “marketable skills”  from the guy who usually complains colleges are too vocational and we need to go back to a Western Civ curriculum.)  

    We’re still waiting for PW to tell us what he thinks of Gov. Rick Scott’s view of Wood’s field, anthropology.  Come on, what are the “marketable skills” you get with an anthro degree? Or do you agree that Florida should jettison such departments?

    Chuck Kleinhans

  • bethelcollege

    But there are some “frame of reference” issues that make the protests problematic.

     is an example from facebook.

  • goldrick

    Bravo!! Please also share with your readers what research says about the effectiveness of that aid to more affluent students. It clearly isn’t money well spent.

    Sara Goldrick-Rab

  • 11223140

    The answer to the question that closes Sandy and Michael’s thoughtful update here is, unfortunately, “no.”  As suggested in the prose, tax credits related to higher education expenditures will not get serious dialogue, they have already morphed into “expected” tax breaks for American families who increasingly believe they don’t get their fair share of those already.  When eligibility for then-Stafford, now Direct Stafford Subsidized Loans was expanded into the middle and upper middle class a couple of decades ago, that subsidy to the less needy never came up for serious review again.  No — money for poor kids will always be in the crosshairs during declining empire deliberations, with the accompanying tales of how the poor are ripping the rest of us off, etc.  But, the massive cash subsidies to those less in need are now in the fabric, we won’t be talking about those again.           jimeddy

  • peterwwood

    I’ll rise to Chukkle’s bait on Governor Scott’s comments about anthropology since I haven’t found  occasion elsewhere to take this up.  The Governor is entirely right.  Anthropology is a poor choice as an undergraduate major.  I have offered that counsel to numerous students over the years.

    Governor Scott is concerned about students who spend their opportunity for an education acquiring knowledge that is of little use to them in finding gainful employment,  It is a legitimate concern, especially when public funds are involved.  But I was skeptical of the undergraduate anthropology major long before that issue arose.  The deeper problem is that anthropology is a field which in principle requires very broad knowledge of the world of the sort that undergraduate students rarely possess.  Anthropology lends itself fairly well to be being a subject taught in a conjunction with other subjects (biology, linguistics, technology, philosophy) but it falters as an undergraduate major. 

    Peter Wood

  • _perplexed_

    The state of our economy makes it evident that banks, brokerage firms, corporate America in general, and our government all have a “misunderstanding of the nation’s finances.”    Is that too the fault of campus Marxists? 

  • peterwwood

    On the matter of what the “sentiment” is that the New York Times reports “almost half the public” thinks “reflects the views of most Americans,” the Times’ dodgy phrasing signals the problem.  The sentence doesn’t say the most Americans endorse the unnamed sentiment;  but a minority thinks that’s what the majority thinks.  That’s reaching pretty far. 

    But Chukkles is prepared to reach still further.  He can read between the lines of the Times’ article to tell us what the respondents were thinking when they answered yes to that question.  In his view, the sentiment in question is something like, ‘We hate the rich.’  But let me not put words in Chukkles’ mouth.  He says the”outlines are pretty clear,” but he doesn’t say what they actually are.  Here are some possibilities. The sentiment at the heart of the Occupy movement is:

    1.  Capitalism is irremediably broken and should be replaced in toto.
    2.  The greedy rich need to be curbed.  Capitalism needs to be repaired.
    3.  The state needs to intervene with more generous redistirbutionist policies.
    4.  The government did a poor job in handling the bank bailouts,
    5.   We’re angry.  Pay attention to us.
    6.   We’re suffering.  Someone should take better care of us. 

    Al these themes and many others are present.  But they are not the same “sentiment” and if you ask people if they sympathize with the sentiment of the protestors without further specification it could mean any of these things or something else. 

    Declaring “We are the 99 percent!” doesn’t clarify this and isn’t meant to.  It is an appeal to a fictitious commonality.  A tiny fraction of the public (a few thousand people out of more than 300 million) are claiming to speak for everybody.  They don’t, no matter how artfully the New York Times arranges its subordinate clauses.

    Peter Wood

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Swail/730724510 Scott Swail

    Tax credits were always a bad idea. They came from the Clinton Administration through the 1997 tax legislation. However, they came completely because tax credits polled well. It had little to do with prudent policy, but polls. Unfortunately, with the continued rising prices of higher education, Pell Grants are becoming even less efficient and meaningful. Somehow, the price of higher education needs to come down, not go up. We are conditioned to thinking that it should go up, because commodities that are depending on human resources suggest so. But we need to build a new mousetrap; one that perhaps says that college isn’t necessarily about going somewhere for four years. That’s old school. It’s iUniversity. That’s the only way to bring costs to some normalcy. 

  • peterwwood

    Perplexed:    Bankers, brokers, corporate executives, and government officials all the way up to the President have benefited from more or less the same system of higher education as the rest of us.  If they received the usual undergraduate immersion in Marxist platitudes served up by English and anthropology professors (etc.) I wouldn’t rule that out as contributing to their often bewildered response to the continuing financial crisis. 

    Peter Wood

  • badger74

    Yes, the hard-working tax-paying middleclass does not deserve any help in putting their kids through college. Only the poor are worthy.

    Frank Rojas

  • Guest

    Thanks, Peter. You bring up many good points. I teach at Cal State Northridge which is very working class and middle class. One of my classes this semester is English 305, advanced exposition. I switched the syllabus so the students would focus on analyzing the media coverage of the Occupy movements for two straight weeks. Today the students did their first round of presentations on the media coverage.

    My students are definitely part of whatever underdog constituency the 99% is supposed to represent. Most of the class felt things were wrong and could see where the Occupy movement was coming from. But to be honest, none of the students found the movement compelling. I gave them an option to attend Occupy LA and interview people there, which would allow them to research fewer media sources. Out of 27 students none opted to visit Occupy LA and interact with the protesters.

    Why?

    Their reasons varied but in a nutshell they don’t like the Occupy movement. I find myself defending it to them. They view the Occupy movement as obnoxious and unhinged. They don’t feel it represents them. And it annoys my students to no end that rich celebrities and elite professors keep popping up at the protests and getting quoted in the news. The whole smells to them of hypocrisy.

    I suggested we go as a field trip to Occupy LA to interview people there together as a class but nobody wanted to do it. The spokespeople for the movement do not inspire them at all. All the students feel this way: “You have a point, but I’ll pass.”

  • dopefein

    Peter, I am beginning to think you are more than just a little disconnected from what is happening on college campuses.  First, could you (and others) please stop speaking of higher education as if it is one monolithic institution?  Colleges vary by region, by type, by size, by mission, by who is running them, whether they are public or private, and on and on.  This means you cannot simply say that X goes on at all campuses (let alone in one department).  When you claim new graduates are befuddled by the economic realities they face because they receive Marxist marching orders in college, you fail to mark this nuance — as well as seem to understand that Marxism would actually help undergraduates examine financial systems.  Second, as hard as this might be for you to realize, when you use a belittling tone in relation to the Occupy Wall St. movement, you immediately lose much of your audience.  I no longer take anything you write seriously; you are grinding your axe so hard against what you feel is wrong with higher education that I cannot hear myself think over its din.

  • 11274135

    Tax credits are used in Arizona to divert what would have been tax revenue to private (often religious) schools. The advocates of tax credits then deny that public funds are being used to support private schools (prohibited by the AZ constitution) because the taxes were never collected in the first place. We also get tax credits for contributing money to NGOs that support the “working poor.” Recently, the advocates of the tuition tax credits forced through a law saying that contributions to Planned Parenthood were no longer eligible for the working poor tax credits because–are you ready?–state funds cannot be used to support any agency that performs or promotes abortions. Weasels.

  • blue_state_academic

    People may have different definitions of “middle class,” but we can all agree that a family income of $180K (or even $150K) is well beyond middle class

  • chuckkle

    Wood misreads what said. He thinks I am reading between the lines of the NYT.  No such thing: go back and see what I wrote.  I was referring to the many, various, and national reports on the Occupy movement that have been forthcoming in various media forms for the past month.  But perhaps this is unknown to PW who proudly doesn’t have a television.  (Full disclosure: I proudly don’t have a subscription to the NYT.)

    This reminds me of the day of the anti-Vietnam War movement.  Supporters of the war would inevitably complain about one section of the movement as if it stood for the whole of a diverse phenomenon.  So the pacifist wing would be criticized when that seemed to work, and the militant section if that leant itself to something at hand.  Opponents of the war were sometimes branded unpatriotic and cowards, which was hard to maintain on those occasions when the Vietnam Vets were leading the protests. Despite all the hot debates about strategy and tactics within the movement, the pro-war side usually pretended the opposition to the war had only one position, one voice.

    OWS hasn’t settled down to a checklist yet?  After only a month?  Maybe that’s because unlike the Tea Party which seems now an Astroturf thing backed by arch conservative billionaires and corporate interests, OWS seems pretty much a grass roots movement.  I guess for the head of the NAS that’s hard to understand, given the NAS being “a tiny fraction” of academe and not really a movement at all.

    Chuck Kleinhans 

  • jamesebryan

    A while back I read a Chronicle article discussing what I seem to recall as the Australian system of funding higher education, with free tuition at public universities but with slightly higher income tax rates on college graduates who had received their degrees from government funded institutions.  To me that sounds like something that would remove financial barriers preventing the poor from going to college, and would probably provide a more reliable revenue stream for colleges than what we have now, so why do I never hear it proposed here in the United States?  Of course there would be massive up-front costs that the government would have to assume when the universities give up tuition but before their graduates start paying income taxes at the higher rates, and of course banks would probably stand to lose a lot of business in loans that can currently never be defaulted, but shouldn’t we at least discuss a bold change from the status quo? All of this fine-tuning of student loan arrangements strikes me as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic when the private sector more and more expects college degrees from job applicants while at the same time the disparity in the levels of wealth between the richest and poorest among us grows ever greater.

  • badger74

    For college educated people living in major cities having a family income of $150,000 does not make one feel like a member of any elite class. You do get to pay lots of taxes, until recently you had to pay too much for a decent house in a good area, kids are very expensive, etc etc.
    The nice thing is in this country instead of some academics or other technocrats running things we all get to vote and decide what is fair.  And I do not expect any of the focused tax relief programs for the income earning workers of this country to be curtailed anytime soon. We want the best for our kids too.