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January 4, 2006, 2:52 pm

With the dot-com bust and the trend of businesses to outsource their technology labor overseas, colleges have seen a decline in student interest in technology disciplines. Now that the technology industry is rebounding, college officials are hoping for a rekindled interest in computer science and other technology majors. They may get an indication about the level of interest during this week’s annual trek of Massachusetts Institute of Technology students to Silicon Valley for job recruitment. (CNET)

To read more about the shortage of students majoring in computer science, see an article from The Chronicle, by Andrea L. Foster.

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sherbygirl - January 27, 2012 at 1:30 pm

I understand that simple writing “THIS” may represent one of the symptoms of the decline of substantive rhetoric in this country. But, I have yet to read a more perfect dissection of the current administrations short-sightedness when it come to higher education. So…

THIS! 

11122741 - January 27, 2012 at 5:43 pm

except for the misguided and prejudiced comments on college athletics (really way, way off the mark to anyone half familiar with the longitudinal data), a pretty decent column.

Socratease2 - January 27, 2012 at 5:46 pm

Yes, it certainly does. What the hell does “THIS!” mean? Like, “Hear, hear” or “Amen” except that it doesn’t carry any meaning at all. Interesting.

Socratease2 - January 27, 2012 at 5:52 pm

“If you look at the front page of the Grey Lady today…” 

Hey, pigs do fly, Tenured Radical is the last place I thought the New York Times would be referred to as the “Grey Lady.” I stopped using the term after I was bitched out by two fellow female grad students who thought it insulting to women. But I guess that is not a widespread complaint after all. What else can I still say without offending someone? Very little in this victim mentality culture I am sure. But good article on education.

procrustes - January 27, 2012 at 6:09 pm

Good list of what a real education policy should be.  Although you could have just said education, as opposed to mindless demgoguery, and saved space.  It is truly amazing that so many on the right keep calling this warmed-over Bush administration socialist.

badger74 - January 27, 2012 at 6:24 pm

The most onerous cost for educational institutions is health care.  A real education policy will propose to the states that they lift current regulations that prohibit private institutions from combining with each other, and with state higher education systems, to bargain for lower health insurance rates.
>OK, makes some sense

A real education policy would look at the massive endowments and tax dollars that go to college sports rather than college education.
>Where are these massive endowments of which you speak? Most endowment money goes to med schools and other academic areas. The amount dedicated to sports is minor.

A real education policy would point out that it is the mania for cutting taxes at the state level that allowed state legislatures to cut education budgets and put a higher burden on students.
>Darn those pesky voters for not agreeing with my viewpoint on things. Obviously deluded and/or just dumb.

A real education policy would point out that federal student loan policy favors private sector profits over the fiscal interest of college graduates and their parents.
>So it is better to spend $200K to go to Wesleyan (wonderfully mocked on 30 Rock) and graduate to Starbucks barista or if you are lucky-an assistant to job formerly known as secretary

A real education policy would not put the entire burden of simplifying the college financing process on overburdened admissions and financial aid offices.  When was the last time the President or Secretary Smartypants looked at any application document issued by the federal government or a bank, much less a student loan application?
>I filled out those forms for my parents at 17. Guess applying for free money should be easier. But OK.

A real education policy would point out that students have to take out loans because their parents’ wages, and particularly working class wages, have been dropping across the board since the 1980s.  It would also point out that this phenomenon has something to do with other neoliberal policies that have destroyed unions and sent manufacturing abroad.
>No the rise of new economies with competitive advantages had nothing to do with that. Keep China/India  living in the 15th Century. We have ours. Higher tariffs and the 1975 Chevy Impala could still be selling. Who needs 30 MPG anyway? I love my huge fat TV that cost $1500 with a 23″ screen. At least those Zenith guys still make $30/hr.

A real education policy would talk about education for chrissakes and not be utterly and completely absorbed with taking up the time of actual educators with “assessments” and “outcomes.”
>Yes, educators only like to give grades. They hate being graded. A’s for everyone.

A real education policy would point to the crisis in academic labor as a crucial factor in students not being able to get the courses they need to fulfill their major requirements
>HUH. Actually they CAN get classes because all those excess PhD’s hanging around town will teach a class for $3000. Now if we could just get rid of those tenured drones with 2 classes a term @$25,000 each we could afford to do classes of 20 students for anyone that wants one. Isn’t that pretty much how NYU really works anyway for undergrads? 

Guest - January 27, 2012 at 6:34 pm

I usually agree with you, Claire, especially when you go after the Big O in the Mostly-White House.

But on this one, I have to call shenanigans. I agree with you that sports get too much attention and public universities need to be a priority for states and the federal government, provided that they do not become Berkeley or Michigan, charging private-university prices

But —-

Tuitions are too high and that’s the problem. Colleges, especially private ones that hide behind their status as “non-profits” (which is absurd), cannot cry foul when they are told to rein in the bill they pass on to students, especially if people expect taxpayers to fork over cash on account.

We can debate many reasons for the unreasonably high tuitions, but the government cannot go in and micromanage each college, so the simplest way to mandate change from the top is to do, essentially, what Obama has started to do:

–Say NO! to colleges that charge exorbitant tuition. That means Harvard, that means the New School, and that means for-profit colleges that milk students for online degrees. If anything, Obama does not go far enough. He should say (1) such schools cannot use federal grants OR federally backed student loans of any kind to pass students through the bursar’s shibboleths, (2) such schools are ineligible for ALL federal or state research grants, and (3) such schools will lose their non-profit status and their endowments will be taxed.

–Say NO! to colleges that have a certain percentage of their employees on temporary contracts. We will need adjuncts here and there but this is a serious crisis now, with 70% of courses taught by people who don’t have the time or institutional support to offer good instruction to students. Why is this happening? I’ll tell you why: Colleges have pillowy foo-foo tracks for “tenure-track” scholars who get to teach 15 students a semester, go on sabbatical, and act like divas to their colleagues and students. Those people soak up huge amounts of money without adding to instruction for the country’s masses, especially at the schools that not coincidentally have skyrocketing tuition. The taxpayers did NOT get their money’s worth, and that has got to change. I wrote a book on literary conservatism while teaching 4 classes and 140 students per semester, drawn from the middle and working classes; the taxpayers DID get their money’s worth from me. This system has to change, and we have to stop pointing fingers elsewhere. Time to face the music ourselves.

–Say NO! to elitism. Schools that do not offer educational services to underprepared or academically challenged students, due to restrictive admissions policies, should NOT be getting any federal money or state money of ANY kind. Why should the taxpayers’ money go to Harvard in the form of tax breaks, subsidies, research grants, and federally backed loans, so that Harvard can say, “thank you,” and then refuse to do anything about educating the taxpayers’ children. No, it is not enough to say that you’re going to endow a Platonic elite at Harvard with benevolence to help America’s children one day. If a college’s business is to form an elite and exclude people who might slow down the indoctrination process for the elite 1%, then that college has to do so ON ITS OWN F*CKING FUNDS!

–Say NO! to colleges that engage in problematic practices of admissions, tenure, or promotion. Insider trading, no-bid contracts, and monopolies have been outlawed for basic reasons of practicality and fairness — those reasons fly in the face of the way colleges pick their students, tenure faculty, and promote people. If you are running an institution at odds with the public mission of the United States, do it with your own money.

Is this heavy-handed? Yes! But you say you’re sick of non-educators lecturing us who who teach — Guess what! I am sick of educators lecturing each other about how big, bad, people in the world outside are abusing us. We are a corrupt field full of rapacious inefficient elitists, all with a heavy price tag and a serious attitude problem. 

I welcome the severe scrutiny and the pressure to change. Change was Obama’s slogan — let’s change. Or did you expect everybody but us to change?

bradleyhockey - January 27, 2012 at 8:19 pm

Politicians, who are mostly lawyers, have done a pretty good job gutting every profession there is in America today. Based on last night’s speech, it looks like higher education is next. Once again, instead of “heal thyself”, the shark legal profession has moved on ( after gutting medicine and every primary segment of education) to regulating and “warning” colleges and universities. Chances are after this speech, promoting the ‘best for the future of American education’- the Lawyer in Chief- and his fellow attorneys will figure out a way to tax, penalize, and create a new industry in order to further fatten the already obese legal profession. When is everyone going to wake up?? Demand tort reform and challenge every legislator with “conflict of interest” when they begin helping the country!

mainiac - January 27, 2012 at 8:48 pm

Well said! Colleges and Universities are becoming service organs/apparatuses of Federal bureaucracy. Adios academic freedom!

captain_chronicle - January 27, 2012 at 9:46 pm

Obama must be secretly delighted that he is now running roughshod over the same gushy libs who had to vote him in at all costs. Listening to and looking at those mindless UM students today in Ann Arbor makes me wonder what happened to critical thinking in our universities…

mainiac - January 27, 2012 at 9:57 pm

Remember, as George Soros says, “he brings people with him.”

antiutopia - January 27, 2012 at 10:46 pm

I like your suggestions, and I agree that the WH could do more, but so far as I can tell it’s doing some very real and much needed good.  I just went through a training that explained the new Fed requirement for proof of contact hours per credit hour, and how it’s cracking down on accrediting agencies that aren’t doing their jobs. Speaking from the inside, these two things alone will make a big, positive difference in making sure that higher education actually provides an education. I’m voting for Obama again just for that, and I’m speaking as someone who voted for McCain the last election.

antiutopia - January 27, 2012 at 10:58 pm

Seriously, Jephthah, the Ivies are comprised of eight schools.  Total. There are over 6600 Title IV institutions in the US and eight Ivy league schools: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84  

Harvard isn’t the problem.  Being elite schools, their high tuition gives students their school’s pick of available faculty and a good track to good jobs and a high-end network.  People who pay a lot to go to ivies get a lot in return.  Tenure isn’t the problem either.  Abandoning the tenure system would cause more problems than it solves by giving too much power to administrators who don’t care about educational quality and by creating an environment of grade inflation for job preservation.  I would support pay caps for upper administration at schools that receive federal financial aid.

If you’ve ever supervised theses you’d know that while the number of students decreases the workload remains the same.  You need to read what all of your advisees are reading to be able to evaluate them.  You need to read sometimes multiple drafts of documents that may be a couple hundred pages long.  One thesis that’s 120 pages long is five students’ worth of writing in a writing-intensive class and a lot more reading.  One thesis that’s 200 pages long is ten students’ worth of writing.

Plus, stepping out of the humanities, research professors generate revenue with patents and with research grants.  You’re pointing the fingers in all the wrong directions.  You need to point to overpaid administrators, multimillion dollar salaries for presidents of for profits, to states cutting education budgets… to keep what in their place?

forstudentpower - January 27, 2012 at 11:31 pm

If you want a sense of how sports programs grossly distort university budgets: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/education/edlife/how-big-time-sports-ate-college-life.html?_r=1

As for taxes, attributing voter intent to legislative action is quite a shaky proposition there, badger74.

As for adjuncts vs “tenured drones,” how can you read a publication like The Chronicle and still think that? This is a huge problem, and creates overworked adjuncts who don’t have time to actually focus on teaching students, office hours, etc.

clara fitzpatrick - January 28, 2012 at 9:57 am

Spot on! One addition: A real education policy would have talk show hosts who know about education so they could stop the Secretary from rambling FAST

nyhist - January 28, 2012 at 11:48 am

Hooray TR!

CSS7 - January 28, 2012 at 12:35 pm

Arne Duncan is a faux Democrat who has never been an educator nor holds any advanced degree.  He became CEO of CPS because he knew the “right people.”  He’s an elitist from the Chicago Lab Schools whose best friend is Michele Obama’s brother.  During his tenure as CEO of CPS, he did nothing to lessen the black-white achievement gap.  It is actually larger today.  However, he did create a “clout list”, so Chicago elites like Penny Pritzker could get their kids into the best public schools.  He ran CPS with the idea that schools should be run like businesses.  He closed over 100 schools in Chicago!

historiann - January 28, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Thanks, TR.  I just about swerved off the road when I heard about Obama’s speech at UM yesterday.  But then again, it all fits in with the penchant for Democrats to $hit all over the people who have supported them in the past. 

tenured_radical - January 28, 2012 at 2:20 pm

Because lord knows we need to woo the independents — ops, I meant corporate donors.

rgregory - January 28, 2012 at 5:34 pm

Funny, I didn’t recognize the reference!

Caleb50 - January 28, 2012 at 6:31 pm

O good god. Your proposals would eliminate virtually ALL scientific research in this nation and kill the economy. This is the dumbest suggestion I have read in a long time.

badger74 - January 29, 2012 at 3:32 pm

nm

badger74 - January 29, 2012 at 3:33 pm

At the state level elections and budget outcomes tend to be very clearly related unlike the federal level where even the majority never really can rule.
Even at Rutgers, one of the worst run sports depts, the losses from sports are only a tiny fraction of their budget so to suggest they are having a material impact is a lie. Like many state U’s Rutgers has a problem with basic state funding. It is also not allowed to control tuition nor add high paying out of staters. That is the real Rutgers problem. All the rest is marginal. I’m sure RU wishes it were that simple.
At most R-1 schools the faculty averages just 2 classes per term compared with 4 at many regional and average quality private U’s. That standard is set by the rich schools and the flagships have to ape that policy or risk losing their stars. Problem is all the non stars get the same deal. It is an area for the most bang for the buck in cutting costs without much real harm. Harvard is not hiring the 25th best prof from the Illinois English Dept. Maybe they could even then afford to pay adjuncts a little more money.

edwoof - January 29, 2012 at 4:32 pm

Here are some comments about the President’s plan:

1. Rewarding States that keep college costs down will ensure that tenure lines are further eliminated and that colleges move even faster toward a three-year Bachelor’s degree. Does anybody who has paid attention the last few decades actually believe that any money that a state would receive would actually trickle down to the teaching faculty? No way. If it is spent on education at all, it will be spent on politically-connected “compliance companies” or “educational service companies” or other kinds of fake academic bull$hit.

2. Dangling money in front of competing colleges (such as happens with Race For the Top in secondary education) will just exaccerbate the resource-suck of administration. I can foresee whole new administrative departments created just to facilitate, monitor and apply for these funds. These administrators will be financially rewarded with bonuses if the college is awarded any money and  the teaching faculty will never see a dime. The federal bureaucrats that will administer this program will only speak with–and develop relationships with–the administrators at universities which in turn, will lead to job rotation (Goldman sachs-like revolving door) between state lobbyists, university administrators, the officers and directors of the fake academic companies hired to assist states and universities in obtaining the federal money, and federal bureaucrats.

3. Grade inflation will go through the roof as grades and graduation rates will be used as determining factors in awarding colleges money. The adjunct faculty will feel tremendous administrative pressure as their grades and passing rates will directly affect the salaries and bonuses of the administrators. Adjuncts of course will not receive any additional money or benefits but will be expected to be thankful that they have a job (sorry, “job”).

In short, once (1) there is some sort of national measurement of a university’s “success” and, (2) this measurement is tied directly to the financial reward of politicians and university administrators, then the university’s mission will be furher redefined. As I’ve written elsewhere, the mission-creep of universities has deviated far from the original concept of a university as a provider of education. Most universities are now instead sellers of an educational experience and moving along the continum of becoming purveyors of an educational fantasy. The introduction of federal money in some sort of academic munera will accomplish the exact opposite of its stated purpose, lead to all sorts of conflicts of interest amongst the various parties and further erode the original mission of higher education. Be afraid.

ssaulvolk - January 30, 2012 at 7:23 am

Yes, TR!. Cutting funds to education, without any understanding of what is producing the problems our students face, will only insure that you produce higher degrees of non-learning with greater efficiency.

segads - January 30, 2012 at 8:08 am

Welcome to my world. K – 12 teachers & districts have been dealing with this for over a decade, with little support from the halls of higher ed. It was just a matter of time. Of course, you probably won’t have to worry about losing your job because a student doesn’t feel like doing well on some standardized test, but the unrealistic (and ridiculous) measurements and judgments are there. Trained educators are afforded no respect for their expertise. Perhaps they’ll listen to you. 

anon1972 - January 30, 2012 at 9:43 am

I teach at an R-1 (actually, at a liberal arts college nested within an R-1, possibly the most labor-intensive combination of all) and I “only” teach two courses a week.  Yet I work a minimum of 60 hours a week and literally never take a day off during the fall and spring.  (I do take weekends off in summer.)  Why?  Because in addition to “merely” teaching those two classes (which require a minimum of 3-4 hours in prep time for every hour in the classroom, plus hours of grading on a regular basis) I am doing the following:
– advising undergraduate and MA theses, and doctoral dissertations (=endless reading, commenting, meeting, and re-reading)
– supervising independent study courses
– supervising a TA (if I were in a less obscure field, I’d have to do more of this)
– writing endless letters of recommendation
– collaborating in the administration of two interdisciplinary programs
– administering a foreign language proficiency exam for graduate students in my dept.
– participating in the admissions process for our MA and PhD programs — approx. 30 hours of reading and reviewing that have to be shoehorned into the first two weeks of every spring semester
– serving as academic adviser to freshmen, sophomores, and majors in my field
– serving as graduate career adviser in my department, a task which involves reviewing and helping candidates to revise their cover letters, CVs, syllabi, and grant proposals; setting up and participating in mock interviews and mock job talks; and meeting with them individually to help with interview preparation — several hours a week between October and March
– serving on two college committees, which between them meet weekly
– applying for grants, which make more work for me but bring money and prestige to the institution
– organizing and hosting events of interest to the campus and local community
– serving on the executive councils of one local and two national organizations in my field, which entails helping to organize one local and two national conferences
– filling out endless paperwork to (a) create new courses in response to innovations in the field or changes in student demand, (b) get my courses approved for this or that requirement, or (c) conform them to various constantly-changing “assessment” rubrics imposed from outside the institution
– writing articles, book reviews, and attempting to get work done on my next book
– attempting to keep a vague eye on trends in Higher Ed by skimming the Chronicle headlines each morning over my first cup of coffee (just to explain why I am here instead of off doing all the above).

With the exception of reading the Chronicle (and possibly serving on the national orgs’ boards, to which I was elected by the membership), all of the above is expected of me in my job; the above are the basic requirements of my contract.

Then there’s the stuff that’s not required, but that makes me a better scholar and teacher, and prepares me to do more interesting and useful research: learning an additional foreign language, travelling to the countries I study, participating in faculty seminars, reading colleagues’ work-in-progress, participating in cultural programming. 

So quit it with the “only 2 courses a semester” crap.  Ideally, ALL faculty would be teaching “only” 2 courses (which would give them time to prepare more richly for those courses, take more time over grading, and get to know their students better) and would also be doing some portion of the tasks outlined above — which would in turn lighten MY load to the point where I might be able to work only 50 hours a week and take at least one weekend day off (or, say, have time during the week to exercise, make love with my spouse, etc.).  Unfortunately, the labor in academia has been divided in this soul-destroying way that has EVERYONE (with the possible exception of a handful of celebrities) working way too hard for salaries that range from mildly comical (mine) to outright criminal (those of many off-ladder and adjunct faculty).  But the solution is NOT to make me teach more courses on top of doing all the above, without changing anything else.

anon1972 - January 30, 2012 at 9:48 am

The fact that you are voting for Obama as a former McCain voter, surely, sort of says it all.  Obama’s policies are designed to please McCain’s former voters, not his own (and TR happens to disagree with  the policy preferences of McCain’s former voters).

MChag12 - January 30, 2012 at 9:55 am

Yes, the real problem is the destruction of public universities.  THere is nothing wrong with elite schools that offer an exceptional education, and which mostly have need-blind admissions policies.  The problem is that there are not more of them and that they are only able to educate so few.  This is not a situation where the Universities (except the for-profit ones) are to blame.  It is a problem of this country’s priorities and where the money actually goes.

proftowanda - January 30, 2012 at 11:09 am

Excellent analysis.  Yes, “Race to the Top” is just the conservatives’ “No Child Left Behind” in a new guise, and that the simplistic thinking of the model now is to muddle higher education as well is . . . well, it is to be expected of the pol who served on the board of one of the foundations that, more than a decade ago, pushed the “school choice” experiment — but not on his own city.  Never do pols’ own children suffer the impact of pols’ “choices” for the rest of us.  

John Hubbard - January 30, 2012 at 11:21 am

Enjoyed the concept and agree with much of it, but the lack of attention to the learner and the learning process is problematic. “Education” carries an agenda that is often opposed to actual learning.

gjay1952 - January 30, 2012 at 11:47 am

Exceptionally clear. We posted a link to it on our blog at http://www.humanitiesthinktank.org/.

antiutopia - January 30, 2012 at 1:59 pm

Right, MChag.  I’m 100% behind what Obama is doing now because he wants to rectify the real nonsense that’s going on: abuses by for-profit institutions that lead to lower budgets for public institutions.  Public money needs to go first to public institutions, especially community colleges.  

antiutopia - January 30, 2012 at 2:05 pm

Anon1972:

It really doesn’t say anything, anon1972. McCain lost because he didn’t have a clearly identified voter group. Republican Party cronies thought he was too far to the left, and when he tried to appeal to them he lost the middle voters who would have been his real constituents. If you think one voting preference in one election defines someone forever, you don’t know much about politics. 

I’m not supporting Obama on these initiatives because I’m a former McCain supporter. I’m supporting Obama on these initiatives because I see real abuses in higher ed. on the public dollar and I see real potential for reform in even these imperfect initiatives. 

Preferring nothing at all to these initiatives is a real problem. Wanting other initiatives instead or in addition is understandable. At present, I’m supporting the good stuff going on and then working for more of the same. What are you doing?

badger74 - January 30, 2012 at 2:22 pm

So, none of those activities could either be eliminated, done by somebody else paid less to do admin functions, or have some of the useless effort removed such as “needless paperwork”. Sounds like much of that is make work creted by tradition and of little real value to the main fundtions. Do letters of rec really do anything and are they really needed? How much influence do they really have in decisions?
BTW I attended an R-1 school and the place was generally very empty by 4PM and not that many folks were around on weekends either–and forget Fridays. Now much of that work can be done at home or might be in other venues. But maybe some of it just needs to be eliminated. Life will go on.
 But here’s a new flash–many people in professions and in the salaried level private sector work 50-60 hours a week. 40 hours is for low level staffers and those who have topped out and are waiting to retire.
And summers and breaks off–not ever. Most are lucky to get to take the 2-3 weeks/year they are supposed to have.

lillybelle - January 30, 2012 at 2:47 pm

“In other words, the Obama administration did not invite anyone to the table who actually does research on education — only nonprofits who specialize in assessing what bang corporate America is getting for the student buck.”

I have to disagree with this description of Lumina and Delta. First, the research they produce (particularly Delta’s) has been used by many higher education scholars. Second, their money (particularly Lumina’s) directly funds researchers in higher education. While Delta is focused on costs, Lumina is interested in a wide range of higher education questions, such as student spirituality and developmental ed.

Should other parties have been brought to the table? Absolutely. But these two organizations are doing a lot for higher education research – it’s hard to come out of any session at ASHE without hearing at least one of the two mentioned.

FlipYrWhig - January 30, 2012 at 8:25 pm

What is the basis for the late paragraph about “educators” being “lectured by politicians” here?  None of the policies quoted and discussed in the piece appear to target underperforming _educators_ in the guise of increasing “efficiency.”  To find savings in the institution doesn’t necessarily mean cuts or any other onus-placing at the front lines.  Much like health care reform was not aimed at scapegoating doctors, this reform effort does not seem to be aimed at scapegoating professors.  In health care, there are insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and medical device manufacturers driving costs up.  In education, likewise, unscrupulous loan companies and bloated administrations have a lot to do with it.  And presumably that’s where a responsible, data-driven education reform effort would lead.

proftowanda - January 30, 2012 at 10:46 pm

The comparison to “health care reform” is a fail, not applicable, as there was no health care reform.  There was health insurance “reform,” but why would insurance companies scapegoat physicians who provide their business and profits?  The uselessness of the analogy makes it hard to follow your point, so please provide another example that is correctly stated, on point.  

tenured_radical - January 31, 2012 at 1:01 am

Why would you presume this?  Every savings so far has been made on the backs of students, faculty and staff. Obama has not indicated that he is in the least aware of this.

FlipYrWhig - January 31, 2012 at 1:56 am

I’m reacting specifically to your paragraph about educators being lectured by politicians. I don’t see in what you’ve quoted any lecturing of _educators_ by politicians, or any suggestion that professors aren’t doing their (our) jobs properly. Are you referring to something that you don’t mention here? Or did I miss something that everyone else already knows? I’m joining the discussion late, I admit.

The point of the comparison to health care is that, in that policy debate, there was widespread agreement that health care costs were rising too fast, leading to a suite of wonky and perhaps underwhelming technical fixes aimed at the so-called “provider side.” For instance, cuts to Medicare waste and grift, not cuts to patient care; “comparative effectiveness research” to investigate what treatments work best. That’s why I imagine the Obama administration as likely to take a similar approach to trying to “bend the cost curve” for education. Bloated college administration costs seem like a likely target. They’ve also moved towards direct lending rather than subsidizing banks like Sallie Mae, as I recall.

If their approach to health care was to tinker with funding streams and the provider side, not to scapegoat doctors, I’m not sure why their approach here would be to scapegoat professors. It’s not consistent with their technocratic ways, and I don’t see it in their rhetoric in the clips you’ve given here.

But, like I said, I’m joining a discussion already in progress.

FlipYrWhig - January 31, 2012 at 2:06 am

It was the opponents of health care reform, this time and in the Clinton era, who habitually suggested that any control of health care costs would harm honest, hardworking doctors. Through that misdirection, insurance companies and medical device manufacturers hid their lust for lucre behind kindly father-figures in white coats. Not all attempts to control medical costs take money out of doctors’ pockets or violate their professional integrity; similarly, not all attempts to control education costs take money out of professors’ pockets or violate our professional integrity. We should be vigilant and on our guards, to be sure. I’m just not yet convinced I see the same reasons for alarm stated near the end of the piece.

FlipYrWhig - January 31, 2012 at 2:13 am

Edwoof’s concerns above go a ways towards connecting the dots. But I don’t see why those developments are inevitable, any more than comparative effectiveness research in health care reform would inevitably spawn “death panels.”

Cynthia Torres - January 31, 2012 at 6:32 am

While fundamentally a good summary of the problem with Obama’s education policy and the continual obstination by the government to ever address the real problems in higher education, I am shocked that such a supposedly well informed blogger would refer to Obama’s educational policies as neoliberalism.  I am no defender of the new left in this moment but he is actually acting under the influence of the free market supporters who would apply principles of corporate management to all levels of education.  These policies actually enjoy bipartisan support and is most definitely no tthe brain child of the left but of fiscal conservatives.  Just saying. 

harris4 - January 31, 2012 at 9:56 am

Antiutopia,

Kudos for you!  Not because you are an Obama supporter (which I am), but because you present your case in such a well-informed civil way.  You give me hope that there are actually people in America who are tying to rationally look at the issues and decide for themselves what the truth is and where they will place their votes…as opposed to simply taking sound bytes offered from the “credible” news sources or from family tradition…

harris4 - January 31, 2012 at 9:57 am

got the complaints…what was your solution again???

MChag12 - January 31, 2012 at 10:22 am

Cynthia is right about that. I was reading the paragraph contently when neoliberalism popped up and I wondered whether he had passed his limit on wine. What is happening in higher education today is anything but neoliberalism.  It is an active attempt to create an environment where students do not learn and faculty do not teach.

MChag12 - January 31, 2012 at 10:38 am

It has been normal policy nationwide for politicians to blame universities for costs, lack of jobs, lazy professors and worthless research.  All you have to do is read the papers.  Governor Scott of Florida even went so far as to travel around the state making statements like “who needs more anthropologists.”  They want to turn all Universities into community colleges and the outcome measurements are the jobs that don’t exist. Most of course know nothing about higher education or the way professors work, which is much more than they do.  I have to ask, where have you been?  THis has been on the national stage for years.

penmoon - January 31, 2012 at 11:35 am

I really liked this article and agree that the administration needs to shift perspectives a bit. But this administration, at least, is being led by someone who HAS taught students, so we can’t blame its policies on a lack of experience in the classroom.

tenured_radical - January 31, 2012 at 1:30 pm

Neoliberalism does not belong to one party or the other: it is common ground. It has a range of adherents who call themselves Progressive ( and are in many ways) but are certainly not conservative, the President being one. Market-driven approaches to governance and public life began to be implemented under Jimmy Carter and continued through the Clinton administration: some of the great links between Republican and Democratic administrations have been NAFTA, welfare “reform”, and school privatization.

tenured_radical - January 31, 2012 at 1:36 pm

Do we think that everyone who has taught for a year or two is an educator? Obama taught law for a couple years. A broad problem with school policy from the local to the national level is that a range of policymakers think they understand education because they went to school — or because they did time in Teach for America.  But people who have actually committed their lives to education are often seen as only a problem.

edwoof - January 31, 2012 at 3:19 pm

Thought you would never ask.

A federal education policy should be guided by the following principles.

First of all, the amount of federally funded student aid available to a student should be indexed to the flagship state university in the state where the student is a resident. Students may of course use this aid to attend private universities, online education or whatever. Currently though, we are operating a national voucher system which supports private education at the expense of public education. Also, there is simply too much money available. Student aid in higher education has become like aid to Africa. It’s hurting the local institutions, corrupting the process

Secondly, federal student aid would be available for students attending any state university as long as the state is supporting their universities up to a measurable standard. Currently, state legislators are abandoning this duty, the rationale largely being that the universities can set higher tuituion which will be paid for by an increase in federally funded student aid awarded per student.

Thirdly, stop trying to encourage everyone to go to college. Michael Lind has said it better than I ever could in the following Salon article which I would encourage everyone to read.

http://www.salon.com/2010/08/03/myth_upper_middle_class/singleton/

Otherwise, please see TR’s original post.

johndim - February 7, 2012 at 4:15 am

harris4 - February 7, 2012 at 9:54 am

…and I actually agree with everything you said, especially your last point – not everyone should go to college!

urbanexile - February 15, 2012 at 9:21 am

The Gray Lady was so nicknamed because of its tendency in the past to print a much larger proportion of text to graphics. That said, I think you could make the argument that suggesting the combination of Gray and Lady are insulting to women is to state that being a Gray Lady (the living kind) is a negative. Which would seem to be ageist, no? Moral: Let’s not get our panties in a twist about old nicknames, shall we?

Socratease2 - February 15, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Thanks for the background. I agree, why not be proud to be a gray lady, if you have lived long enough you should enjoy some respect.