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Stanford Professor Gives Up Teaching Position, Hopes to Reach 500,000 Students at Online Start-Up

January 23, 2012, 4:53 pm

The Stanford University professor who taught an online artificial-intelligence course to more than 160,000 students has abandoned his teaching position to aim for an even bigger audience.

Sebastian Thrun, a research professor of computer science at Stanford, revealed today that he had given up his teaching role at the institution to found Udacity, a start-up offering low-cost online classes. He made the surprising announcement during a presentation at the Digital–Life–Design conference, in Munich, Germany. The development was first reported earlier today by Reuters.

During his talk, Mr. Thrun explored the origins of his popular online course at Stanford, which initially featured videos produced with nothing more than “a camera, a pen, and a napkin.” Despite the low production quality, many of the 200 Stanford students taking the course in the classroom flocked to the videos because they could absorb the lectures at their own pace. Eventually, the 200 students taking the course in person dwindled to a group of 30. Meanwhile, the course’s popularity exploded online, drawing students from around the world. The experience taught the professor that he could craft a course with the interactive tools of the Web that recreated the intimacy of one-on-one tutoring, he said.

Mr. Thrun told the crowd his move had been motivated in part by teaching practices that evolved too slowly to be effective. During the era when universities were born, “the lecture was the most effective way to convey information. We had the industrialization, we had the invention of celluloid, of digital media, and, miraculously, professors today teach exactly the same way they taught a thousand years ago,” he said.

He concluded by telling the crowd that he couldn’t continue teaching in a traditional setting. “Having done this, I can’t teach at Stanford again,” he said.

One of Udacity’s first offerings will be a seven-week course called “Building a Search Engine.” It will be taught by David Evans, an associate professor of computer science at the University of Virginia and a Udacity partner. Mr. Thrun said it was designed to teach students with no prior programming experience how to build a search engine like Google. He hopes 500,000 students will enroll.

Teaching the course at Stanford, Mr. Thrun said, showed him the potential of digital education, which turned out to be a drug that he could not ignore.

“I feel like there’s a red pill and a blue pill,” he said. “And you can take the blue pill and go back to your classroom and lecture your 20 students. But I’ve taken the red pill, and I’ve seen Wonderland.”

Correction (1/26, 11:54 a.m.): This article originally reported incorrectly that Mr. Thrun was leaving Stanford in order to pursue his start-up venture. In fact, Mr. Thrun has only left his tenured teaching position at the university, and remains an untenured research professor there. The article has been updated to reflect this correction.

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  • http://twitter.com/chrisbulock Chris Bulock

    I’m not sure this is really a “surprising announcement.” See, for example, Peter Murray’s blog post from September: 
    http://dltj.org/article/stanford-ai-class-is-beta-for-commercial-launch/

  • http://twitter.com/carpeweb Jim Vernon

    Surprising or not, this serves as an important marker of the separation between teaching and credentialing.

  • swedenkistastellago

    I was caught by this news post on Facebook, and am now a subscriber to The Cronicle (free online). Thanks a lot, this made my day!

  • Feynman007

    Methinks the prof has taken too many pills. Using technology to enhance learning is one thing. Crass commercialization of teaching through for profit certificate mills is another. Stanford should sue the startup for stealing the course materials that the professor developed while he was on Stanford payroll.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dragana-Dorothea-Zivkovic/1849549136 Dragana Dorothea Zivkovic

    The expanding virtual classroom and a departure to Wonderland. 

  • jaynicks

    “a camera, a pen and a napkin.”

  • touchingthestone

    No, Stanford should contract with him to teach courses.  It’s not the technology that makes a course, it’s the ability of the instructor to explain and communicate ideas.  If he’s any good, they should take advantage of his abilities.

  • stevelubetkin

    And in 1992, when I told people I was completing my MBA online, everyone looked at me like I was from Mars.

  • bjscares

    Spoken like a true traditional university administrator. These days are over my friend, get on board or be left behind. 

  • lutieolee

    What one tenured professor has done will explored to others who has something to offer the world!

  • squacky

    Translation: Sebastian Thrun likes money. (So do I…just waiting for my own “Wonderland” epiphany, I suppose.) Hopefully this yields fantastic educational benefits…and further exposes intellectually bankrupt companies like StraighterLine. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1276041075 Therese Grisham

    Well, if Thrun reads this, I just want him to know that he should expand his offerings to include cinema studies, and if he does, I’ll gladly join the faculty of Udacity!

  • joemontibello

    A few courses like this one, if taken seriously by a student, can teach them a lot.  If the student focused on software development, and concurrently started working hard on an open source project, it would be a really interesting combination. I think there are plenty of employers out there who would be happy to hire someone who officially only had a high school diploma, but had taught him or herself enough via online courses to make significant contributions to an open source project. 

    In this model, the work is the credential. Another article about Udacity suggested that a possible business model for them is to serve as a headhunter, connecting students with employers. Everyone involved in such a model would benefit from partnerships with open source communities. Students gain real-world experience, coding but also working in a project team setting. Udacity gets additional credibility for its students.  Employers get something that even a college degree doesn’t give them – an assurance that a particular student can do the work. And the open-source communities get a group of new eyeballs on the code, with a good incentive to do well.

  • hefriend

    The pills he took made him see the light. I was a student in his online course and it was outstanding. I am delighted to see that he is willing to risk his comfortable teaching career at Stanford to pursue this goal of taking first class education to the masses; good for him and good for all those that will benefit from his outstanding efforts.

  • joncrispin

    500,000 students at $100 each (just made up “low cost” figure) equals a whole heck of a lot of red pills! That will be quite a wonderland if they pull it off.

    chris

  • http://twitter.com/marketingles Les Hollingsworth

    Hmmm…Not quite sure what to think of this guy.

  • ed_eckel

    I agree that we need new ways to educate young people and get them into careers. Despite my love for higher education, I don’t think it necessarily works for everyone.  There are probably many people who need a more practical, career-based approach, particularly in the computing community, where people tend to teach themselves what they need to know while working on projects (whether self-initiated or open source).  See Ken Robinson’s lectures on TED – for example: http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html
    and his one on changing education paradigms – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

  • cwinton

    As an FYI, Mr. Thrun is a very well-known researcher in AI robotics and probablilistic robotics.  He led Stanford’s winning effort in the DARPA Grand Challenge a few years back.  His departure has to be a blow for Stanford, which apparently was unable to accommodate his thirst for developing new modes of instruction.

  • nontraditional001

    Another online university, so what?  That’s innovative?  Maybe the low price will be innovative, but if there is no credential provided then why pay? It’s likely Prof. Thrun got 160,000 students worldwide to take his free online course because he was a Stanford professor. Good luck increasing the number after resigning. What about MITx?

  • http://twitter.com/GwenetteWriter Gwenette Writer

    Yes!  Democratize education! GO Sebastian!  GO David!

  • http://twitter.com/GwenetteWriter Gwenette Writer

    umm I think he had the crowds attention because of who he IS in the field & due to HUGE public demand for tech education at affordable prices & raging interest in AI. His qualities as an expert and a teacher will not be diminished at all by changing his address.

  • http://twitter.com/cragaro CC West

    Quite a humorous story.  As also a professor of computing science, I long since left the concept of a traditional lecture but remeained in the classroom as it is simply the best evironment for learning. Period.  There are SO many ways to make learning engaging in the classroom and obviously Mr. Thrun must have had some difficulties there to leave such a grand position in Standford.  Moving online will certainly increase one’s audience (especially if it’s free) but the question of student competence at the end of the online education is what will be suspect.  Obviously, if everyone could learn effectively online we would have no need for classrooms.  Yet in the this age of so many instant and varied forms of communications, my class enrollments remain strong.  It starts by creating an engaging and effective learning environment and with Mr. Thrun attempting to create such that is just as effective online as the rest of us do in the classroom, he may very well be producing “artificial intelligence” in those he educates.

  • http://twitter.com/GwenetteWriter Gwenette Writer

    The question is not how much money they will make, but what they will do with it and how transparently they will do it. If it supports the continued democratization of education, continued curriculum delivery development and student support/career services, this is a good thing.

  • http://twitter.com/GwenetteWriter Gwenette Writer

    umm I do not know the man, so I do not know if he “likes” money.  Do you know him?? To assume or imply this is a primarily profit motivated move may be a mistake.

  • http://twitter.com/SocialAcademic Kate

    As a sociologist who uses technology in the classroom, I think there’s a lot going on here. I’m disillusioned with the academy and think this is a brilliant idea. There are plenty of professors who still don’t take advantage of what technology can add to a classroom learning environment or who’ve forgotten that the point is teaching (none here of course). But I also think there are a lot of students for whom online courses alone don’t work– online courses require a great deal of self-discipline and focused time which can be problematic for many students. Moreover, these types of classes also require high speed internet access and other hardware that many lower income students may not have– many of my students still rely heavily on the college’s computer labs– so there’s some class issues involved here as well…

    I still think this is a great idea and the I would love to check out Thrun’s online class… 

  • marcalpv

    I took Prof. Thrun’s online course at Stanford and agree that he is a great teacher.  For those with interests in the outside world, an Academic career requires a fine balance between Town and Gown.
    In my experience, at different times in one’s life one is drawn to one or the other. The Medical Faculty seems able to give their Academic a wider choice. I think Stanford is currently the loser on Prof. Thrun’s departure. In time Prof. Thrun will also wish he could have continued to push back the frontiers of Research with a group at Stanford.

  • http://www.facebook.com/adamevans77 Adam Evans

    This is simply a step in the new direction of education. Those who oppose what these men are doing are the professors and university administrators who are afraid of an education that awards good teaching. The days of terrible professors that have no business teaching are numbered as students will be drawn to well-designed accredited degrees that are offered online.

  • tay192

    I honestly love stories like this–the breaking of academic chains.  My only regret is that it doesn’t include the humanities.  How nice it would be to have a vibrant humanities presence alongside technology!  

  • csgirl

    He is going to teach students who have never programmed before how to program a search engine in 7 weeks??? What is he going to do, give the students the code and tell them to type it in? I have been teaching introductory CS to students who have never programmed before for years. In 7 weeks, they typically can barely write a 20 line simple program.
    Maybe he assumes the students will spend  50 hours a week teaching themselves the principles of computer science? I just can’t imagine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106772533 Rosa Ilinka McGill

    “I feel like there’s a red pill and a blue pill,” he said. “And you can
    take the blue pill and go back to your classroom and lecture your 20
    students. But I’ve taken the red pill, and I’ve seen Wonderland.” Love it!

  • czander

    Given
    the demand for secondary education (considered high school and junior college)
    India will need to increase the numbers to be educated from 17 million in 2008 to
    57 million in 2017. 
    In addition, India is attempting to achieve a university enrollment increase of
    30 per cent by 2020.  To meet these goals
    the traditional way (brick and mortar) would require the addition of 700 universities
    and 25,000 schools and junior colleges with an addition of more than a million
    teachers, 15,000 faculty with Ph.D.’s in management and over 30,000 Ph.D.’s in
    engineering (Pathak, 2011). They cannot and will not build institutions or hire
    thousands of professors that they do not have, instead they will use electronic
    means to deliver the needed education. As of July 2011 there were 3,500 MBA
    programs in India and their numbers are increasing at a rapid pace.

    Consider one method they will use. NPTEL is a joint venture by Indian Institution of
    Technology and Indian Institute of Science established to deliver education in
    engineering throughout the country using curriculum-based video and web
    courses. This allows a single experienced professor to reach thousands of
    students. Each course contains materials that can be covered in depth in 40 or
    more lecture hours. In addition, 110 courses have been developed in video
    format, with each course comprising approximately 40 or more one-hour lectures.
    Students have access to 129 web courses in engineering/science and humanities,
    and these offerings will continue to grow.

  • martypjw

    There’s something I don’t understand about courses like this with huge enrollments.  I can see how you could deliver great, stimulating material to the students and design interesting, valuable assignments, but surely there’s no way for the instructor to give them meaningful individualized feedback?  That seems to me to be a crucial component of good teaching….  Can anyone who has been involved in courses like this shed some light on this issue?

  • http://twitter.com/halmbaprof Halima Ozimova

    MayBeThisTenuredProfessorDepartsStanfordU4 RussianSiliconValley?Did HeBegin2StudyRussian?Discus’@ 
    http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=2164&post=10938064

  • squacky

    Geez. That was a comical observation. Should have been obvious given that I said I was like him in that regard. 

  • squacky

    These are empirical assumptions. Big ones. I hope you’re right. But, we have to wait and see. 

  • nontraditional001

    What does “democratized education” mean? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/nolan.bill Hercules T. Thundergasp

    All in?

  • robodude

    But this statement violates the basic premise of most universities: course materials are the property of the professor, not the institution. Would the poster suggest Stanford also sue Prof. Thrun if he moved to MIT to teach the class?? Certainly not, I would hope! It is rather ironic that Feynman007 is suggesting Thrun is guilty of “crass commercialization” while asserting that traditional “rules of commericialization” should apply to educational institutions whose main goal is to disseminate knowledge, not lock it up. Although I value the lecture format and the more personal methods of traditional pedagogy, I agree with touchingthestone that Stanford should jump onboard to use Thrun’s talents (as they have in the past). 

  • happyprof

    No surprise here- Stanford can provide only so much to reward someone doing something innovative, but what he may be underestimating is the prestige value that being associated with Stanford added to the appeal of his course. 

    Secondly, I would not worry about these ventures replacing high-quality classroom instruction.  Problem number one: 500,000 students can’t email him for advice, help, mentoring, encouragement, letters of recommendation, and other real world things that good professors offer. 

  • 12009444

    Professor Thrun is no novice and he has connections with Google. Check out udacity.com. This is an exciting development in online education and should add nicely to the Khan Academy and similar start-ups.

  • bmcdeepak

    Welcome to Bubble 2.0!

  • PeterCaoPeterCao

    Though Sebastian Thrun had made professional achievements at Stanford, he had troubled himself into a number of criminal cases originated from a campus atrocity case in 2004. Many innocent people had been influenced in fighting against those crimes since then, and Thrun’s name is not clear in those cases.
    Proof of real names, dates, photos along with a police case number are listed in my blog link [ http://tysurl.com/BsEnQ4 ] Wish all victims molested in those cases would walk out of influences out of them sooner or later; and also wish those cases could be clarified and have criminals who committed those anti-humanity crimes concurred eventually.

  • http://twitter.com/Cr1ky Irfan Ali-Khan

    Fantastic! I love the way education is moving online, it makes it so much more fun! Go Sebastian Thrun!

  • archman

    It is possible that tests and other ways for the students to be assessed in their skills are missing from the “camera, pen, and napkin” methodology. That would be very, very bad.

  • steveatryokan

    We’ve had interactive/collaboration online learning since 2000 that features synchronus and asynchronous in small cohorts.  Why?  Because BF Skinner thought education could be done by television in the 1950s and failed (i.e., Just because one improves the mousetrap does not make dumber mice”).  All the bells and whistles of the internet media still lack the one basic component of a complete education: interaction between instructor and student because not all students are alike or learn in similar fashion; many need special insights and attention that can only be offered by a live instructor.  So, yes, the new mode of education will speed and modify instructional techniques, but it has not been updated to provide the human interaction necessary.

  • Socratease2

    It took 300 years for Rome to fall, but it fell. Don’t mistake the pace of change for its inevitability. And the pace is already picking up, the traditional university classroom, no matter what its relative merits and demerits are, is simply going to go away. Anyone out there still use the telegraph, a slide rule, a typewriter. As usual, the entrenched interests and the over 50 crowd are going dig in their heels and decry the changes in higher education, but change begets change and on it goes.

  • ychumanities

    I’d like to see how his classes run.  While I suppose it might be possible for 100,000 students to work on computer programs online and get feedback on whether their constructs work or not via some automated system, I can’t quite see how that would translate to evaluating the type of critical analysis expected in cinema studies.  How would you provide feedback on 100,000 essays?

  • happyprof

    PeterCao, some Google searches regarding any wrongdoing by Thrun, scandals, etc, come up with nothing.  Please don’t waste our time with libelous claims. 

  • markcarnes

    Easy.  Cash the check.

  • sambarber

    Why pay money for an online course? You can buy the book yourself and study the material.  “Courses” are needed for more than the textbook: the building of interpersonal relationships with peers and professors, the collegiality of networking *gasp!* face-to-face with others, the proof (yes, proof) that tests (evaluations) were taken honestly and in a time frame that can be compared to others to establish a standard.  The professional world does not take online degrees seriously, nor should it.

  • eye_no_better_than_u

    Wow, he must be one extraordinary teacher that none of his 160,000 students needed to ask a question, review their approach to the homework or project, or even seek reassurance.  Just how much individual feedback does a student get in a class of 500,000?  I cannot see this approach working even in the most trivial mathematics course, even one with some sort of automatic web-based homework system such as WeBWoRK or WebAssign.  A real course, as I see it, involves both real (as in individualized and broad) feedback and real, meaningful assessment.  It would appear that Professor Thrun’s students will create some sort of database project that either runs or does not run, and that the assessment of that project will be left to whoever wants to do an assessment of the student.  In that sense, it seems to me that what Professor Thrun is offering is an updated version of the textbook, not an updated version of the classroom.

  • davidfalcone

    During the era when universities were born, “eating with a fork and spoon was the most
    effective way to eat. We had the industrialization, we had the invention of celluloid, of digitial media, and, miraculously, people today eat exactly the same way they ate a thousand years
    ago,” he said.

    I wonder why they do that?

  • 22015822

    “And you take the blue pill and go back to your classroom and lecture your 20 students.”  If he was lecturing to a class of 20, he wasn’t teaching anyway.

  • Unemployed_Northeastern

    Multiple choice and/or third-world white-collar wage slaves.

  • ajohnclark

    I think this is a great move. If there were more government ’prizes’ to push talented professors into for-profit *online* education I think we could secure a place on the world education stage and less locals in debt because of lower costs. What do you think? 

  • arrive2__net

    Its amazing that the prof, having achieved the position many aspire to, but walks out into an unproven venture.  I have to speculate that there’s got to be money in it, in addition to the opportunity to teach online. 

    Realistically the professor’s risk is limited by the fact that he has his learning, ability, and talent … so if the Udacity gig doesn’t work out he can probably find himself a new gig very easily.

    Can online ventures such as Udacity and MITx ( http://chronicle.com/article/MIT-Mints-a-Valuable-New-Form/130410 ) undermine the bedrock of higher education?  Nominally I would say not, but there does seem to be many exciting and unexpected developments occurring at a very quick pace…what you would expect from revolutionary times.  It’s not clear if such new ventures are the bow wave of a revolution in learning, or just a footnote.

    Bart Schuster
    OnlineGraduateSchool.tripod.com
    Twitter.com/arrive2_net

  • JTLiuzza

    “Methinks” you sound like a dinosaur.  The stranglehold the left has enjoyed for decades is over.  Don’t trust anybody over fifty.

  • mkt42

    I wondered about exactly that point too.  He’s an experienced prof and evidently at top CS guy, so he presumably knows what he’s doing.  But I don’t see it.  It’ll be interesting to look at the syllabus and see exactly what the class covers.

  • http://www.tecrux.com/ Usman

    A few months back, Jennifer Widom also started to teach online course ‘Intro to Databases’ and I believe that a large amount of students from all over the world enrolled in that course. If these things goes on in future than quality education will be in reach of everyone. Keep it up Sebastian

  • ckasch

    This not exactly new.  What is he going to do online that he can not do in the traditional classroom, other than reach more people.  That is the question I would want answered.  If the real answer is not much, there is a strong scent of “crass commercialism.”

  • adamevans

    Here’s the problem. The majority of professors don’t give any “meaningful individualized feedback.” Many don’t give feedback at all. Most classes are just lectures with few, if any questions. Our universities have focused on hiring researchers instead of teachers and as a result, you have students who are ready to jump to any online courses they can. Even if the instruction isn’t any better, at least they can take it at their own convenience. But from what I’ve seen, they are better. Because most online courses are being created by instructional designers instead of subject matter experts (professors), they are created from a learners perspective. 

    Down the road, you will have the occasional excellent teacher that will still fill classes while the rest of the terrible teachers will fade away as students choose online courses as an alternative. My tip to you professors… start giving a damn about your students.

  • http://twitter.com/WolfPackBark Lucian Lucia

    A new paradigm is emerging in the culture of teaching; one that demands greater involvement and satisfaction on the part of the instructor.

  • jmalmstrom

    It depends.  If he used the computer in his office at Stanford to develop the materials, those materials belong to the college.  If he received any release time to develop those materials, they belong to the college.

  • jmalmstrom

    I’ve learned to never trust anybody who uses phrase like transformative when they talk about technology.

  • jmalmstrom

    Actually most college adminstrators would love to adopt a wholly online model – thus ignoring all the research on cognitive matters and how expertise is developed.

  • jmalmstrom

    The current  model of education has lasted for about 2500 years.

  • jmalmstrom

    Online is not teaching, it is presentation and recitation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/adamevans77 Adam Evans

    Presentation and recitation is exactly what the majority of professors do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=567849596 Swarup K Mohanty

    excellent platform to share with the whole world! 

  • Marie M

    They just got it confused– you were from the future

  • http://twitter.com/DrTaraMDent Tara Madden-Dent

    We live in exciting times, having the opportunity to lead and design what the future looks
    like. We are members of a digital citizenry and social media is the future of Higher Education. Please design responsibly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002777847072 BalddaddieTeach Marc Smith

    Just signed up for the course to make up my own mind. 

  • Socratease2

    Yes, teaching has not changed much because new “technologies of learning” have only been around for decades or less. Of course, there is always going to be a place for traditional teaching and learning but brick and mortar institutions simply won’t exist or function in the same way. Distance or location is becoming more and more irrelevant and the synergies and collaborations that can come about through distance-insenstive instruction have a big upside. Sure, we can find plenty of negatives if we try but we can find those at present as well. I believe traditional education is about to roll off a 2,500 year long table.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.galletta Dennis F. Galletta

    I’m certainly open to the red pill, but there are some challenges. One is enlightenment that comes from person-to-person mentoring, especially in the area of computer programming.

    I was a TA for a graduate level programming course 30 years ago (obviously in a face-to-face environment) as one of about 5 in a staff who covered two different languages. There were about 250 students in our classes. One of the best learning experiences we saw for students was not a lecture-based explanation of syntax rules. It was instead when they saw us individually during “help sessions” and asked us to help them figure out what was wrong with their attempts at solving their assignments. As we combed through the code and explained why their programs did what they did (obviously just as they were programmed), and then gave some strategic hints to maximize learning for their next try, we accomplished a lot. The lights definitely went on for many of them.

    Multiple choice and true/false tests won’t be able to provide this kind of service for 500,000 students enrolled in an online class. Automated debuggers fall short on giving those learning-oriented and clever hints for moving on. It would be a long waiting line to get personalized help. Such a large group of students would create a rather harsh “sink or swim” situation and perhaps that’s not necessarily the best when we have this STEM problem in this and some other countries (few students go into Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math).

    Interesting the guy left Stanford, by the way. That is probably the prettiest campus I’ve ever been on, making physical presence on campus almost a fairy tale. The blue pill would be so incredibly attractive for me if I were at Stanford, for sure!

  • geobrooks66

    I have no problem with taking education in modern technology, computers, etc. into these new realms, it seems natural; but as a Humanities professor I worry that administrators will try to emulate this in fields where direct discussion and personal feedback is the only meaningful avenue of instruction.  I can give a great lecture to 100,000 people through electronic media (just as one can make a great documentary for the Discovery Channel), but how do you grade 100,000 papers?  And maybe the technical people out there could comment on just how a computer program is evaluated…I took a few semesters of programming back in the 80s, and the professors did more than just see if the program would run, they evaluated things like efficiency, elegance of design, clever modularization–are these things going to be addressed?

    Final concern for Prof. Thrun: how many times can you give a course to 500,000 students before you run out of students?

  • westerndaoist

    Great for data-driven, “how to” courses, probably not for the subtleties of philosophical thought, music, art and literature.  But that, too, may be just around the corner! It will be interesting to follow the development of Extreme Virtual Learning and see how–if at all–feedback and assessment play into it.

  • westerndaoist

    Great for data-driven, “how to” courses, probably not for the subtleties of philosophical thought, music, art and literature.  But that, too, may be just around the corner! It will be interesting to follow the development of Extreme Virtual Learning and see how–if at all–feedback and assessment play into it.

  • westerndaoist

    Great for data-driven, “how to” courses, probably not for the subtleties
    of philosophical thought, music, art and literature.  But that, too,
    may be just around the corner! It will be interesting to follow the
    development of Extreme Virtual Learning and see how–if at all–feedback
    and assessment play into it.

  • http://savvides.info Philippos S

    I took the AI class as well and learned a lot. It was actually better than other traditional courses I had.

  • http://profiles.google.com/lecturerrich Richard Egan

    Actually, maybe not – some universities, especially Research U, tend to have strong IP protection but through agreements with the Faculty councils and the like give copyright ownership to the Professor.  If that is the arrangement at Sanford it is his to do what he likes.

  • Charles Martel

    This course “recreates the intimacy of one-on-one tutoring” in the same way that watching porn online recreates the intimacy of having a girlfriend.

  • concerndcitizen

    The best professors will become rich, while the mediocre ones will become impoverished — in fact which undergrad even gets the professor to teach, it’s mainly TA’s anyway.  Who would willingly learn from a mediocre teacher when greatness is online and free.  I hear a giant sucking sound coming from the universities.

  • concerndcitizen

    The best professors will become rich, while the mediocre ones will become impoverished — in fact which undergrad even gets the professor to teach, it’s mainly TA’s anyway.  Who would willingly learn from a mediocre teacher when greatness is online and free.  I hear a giant sucking sound coming from the universities.

  • http://knoesis.org/amit/ Amit Sheth

    This is one more indication that the education system is changing very rapidly as we go from Distance Learning 1.0 to Distance Learning 2.0.
    Yet the universities will not become obsolete, at least for a few more years. The whole purpose of going to a university is changing rapidly, since
    you may not go to a traditional university to take standard
    courses. But you would still go to a graduate program for
    activities that are more personalized, more interactive, and focused on
    learning that occurs beyond the course work. CC West had a good comment earlier: “the question of student competence at the end of the online education is what will be suspect” and competence it will take to innovate will be well beyond taking a course. A student working with me, when ready, will be introduced to one of colleagues in my network at MSR or IBM Research or a startup, which will likely result in internship, and maturing as a researcher or technologies. This aspect cannot scale to 160K students.

  • http://knoesis.org/amit/ Amit Sheth

    This is one more indication that the education system is changing very rapidly as we go from Distance Learning 1.0 to Distance Learning 2.0.
    Yet the universities will not become obsolete, at least for a few more years. The whole purpose of going to a university is changing rapidly, since
    you may not go to a traditional university to take standard
    courses. But you would still go to a graduate program for
    activities that are more personalized, more interactive, and focused on
    learning that occurs beyond the course work. CC West had a good comment earlier: “the question of student competence at the end of the online education is what will be suspect” and competence it will take to innovate will be well beyond taking a course. A student working with me, when ready, will be introduced to one of colleagues in my network at MSR or IBM Research or a startup, which will likely result in internship, and maturing as a researcher or technologies. This aspect cannot scale to 160K students.

  • http://knoesis.org/amit/ Amit Sheth

    This is one more indication that the education system is changing very
    rapidly as we go from Distance Learning 1.0 to Distance Learning 2.0.
    Yet the universities will not become obsolete, at least for a few more
    years. The whole purpose of going to a university is changing rapidly,
    since
    you may not go to a traditional university to take standard
    courses. But you would still go to a graduate program for
    activities that are more personalized, more interactive, and focused on
    learning that occurs beyond the course work. CC West had a good comment
    earlier: “the question of student competence at the end of the online
    education is what will be suspect” and competence it will take to
    innovate will be well beyond taking a course. A student working with me,
    when ready, will be introduced to one of colleagues in my network at
    MSR or IBM Research or a startup, which will likely result in
    internship, and maturing as a researcher or technologies. This aspect cannot scale to 160K students.

  • http://knoesis.org/amit/ Amit Sheth

    This is one more indication that the education system is changing very rapidly as we go from Distance Learning 1.0 to Distance Learning 2.0.
    Yet the universities will not become obsolete, at least for a few more years. The whole purpose of going to a university is changing rapidly, since
    you may not go to a traditional university to take standard
    courses. But you would still go to a graduate program for
    activities that are more personalized, more interactive, and focused on
    learning that occurs beyond the course work. The competence it will take to innovate is beyond taking a course. A student working with me, when ready, will be introduced to one of colleagues in my network at MSR or IBM Research or a start up, which will likely result in internship, and maturing as a researcher or technologies. This aspect is hard to scale.

  • bookishone

    Adam Evans, it is apparent that you don’t know anything about how classes and professors work in my department and my humanities discipline. In fact, my department, a large one, doesn’t have any lecture courses at all, and the courses are all paper-based (e.g. writing intensive). You might have signed up for a poor education through your choice of institution and discipline, but please don’t use faulty logic to generalize to the entire profession. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tim-Sesler/1317336047 Tim Sesler

    our education future…. faster please.

  • PeterCaoPeterCao

    Though Sebastian Thrun had made professional achievements at Stanford, he had troubled himself into a series of criminal cases originated from a campus atrocity case in 2004. Many innocent people got involved and had been molested in fighting against those crimes since then. Wish all victims molested in those cases would walk out of influences out of them sooner or later; and also wish those cases could be clarified and have criminals who committed those anti-humanity crimes concurred eventually.

  • PeterCaoPeterCao

    Google’s era under Eric Schmidt had involved into multiple crimes in Stanford which is fascism by nature.
    Google’s Eric Schmidt had abused google resources to financially and politicially support a criminal suspect named Gabriele Scheler, along with a Stanford Computer Science faculty Sebastian Thrun, against ruling from Stanford and police authorities. During their fight with Stanford, Eric Schmidt’s side had murdered an innocent Stanford student May Zhou in 2007 to threaten me and to terrorize Stanford. When they found I would not compromise a bit but actively tried to clarify the case, Eric Schmidt’s side did plot a murder on me as well. The only reason they didn’t make it a reality is becaue they were closely watched by police and they are afraid of leaving evidence (not becasuse they have any mercy on me as a human being, fascism by nature.) Eric Schmidt lost his CEO position because of his involvment into these crimes.
    These accusations stand still which Eric Schmidt and Sebastian Thrun dare not deny to the public so far. Eric Schmidt and Sebastian Thrun had not paid for their crimes

  • chiefrandy

    Online courses meet the needs of many people. For example,  those looking for vocational or job-specific training; or those who cannot afford to incur huge debts for ever-increasing tuition and fees; or those for whom self-paced study can be shaped around work schedules. More power to the professors for providing flexible opportunities in education. But I am not sure that teaching programming or how to build search engines is enough or even the right approach. Given the speed of technological change, computer programming may soon be as obsolete in the public sphere as learning DOS or Fortran. A better idea would be to offer tool-building courses for specific project or job needs where the programming is built into the backend (or open source) of tools that are intuitive, reasonably priced, and project-specific.

  • jmalmstrom

    We’ve been told for the last 600 years (since the advent of the printing press) that new technologies were going to displace “traditional methods.”  In general, those technologies that have worked (books, text-editing devices, and calculators) have done so not because they replaced the “expert,”  but because they have allowed the student to spend less time with procedual issues (how to write legibly, keeping up with detailed notes, etc) and more time on the tacit dimension of the subject area – that very knowledge that can only be developed as part of a apprenticeship relationship.  There will always need to be a place for “the sage on the stage.”

  • jmalmstrom

    We’ve been told for the last 600 years (since the advent of the printing press) that new technologies were going to displace “traditional methods.”  In general, those technologies that have worked (books, text-editing devices, and calculators) have done so not because they replaced the “expert,”  but because they have allowed the student to spend less time with procedual issues (how to write legibly, keeping up with detailed notes, etc) and more time on the tacit dimension of the subject area – that very knowledge that can only be developed as part of a apprenticeship relationship.  There will always need to be a place for “the sage on the stage.”

  • jmalmstrom

    Based on what evidence?

  • http://knoesis.org/amit/ Amit Sheth

    This is one more indication that the education system is changing very
    rapidly as we go from Distance Learning 1.0 to Distance Learning 2.0.
    Yet the universities will not become obsolete, at least for a few more
    years. The whole purpose of going to a university is changing rapidly,
    since
    you may not go to a traditional university to take standard
    courses. But you would still go to a graduate program for
    activities that are more personalized, more interactive, and focused on
    learning that occurs beyond the course work. CC West had a good comment
    earlier: “the question of student competence at the end of the online
    education is what will be suspect” and competence it will take to
    innovate will be well beyond taking a course. A student working with me,
    when ready, will be introduced to one of colleagues in my network at
    MSR or IBM Research or a startup, which will likely result in
    internship, and maturing as a researcher or technologies. This aspect cannot scale to 160K students.

  • lfokp

    Computers and tablets are only assistants and a good
    teacher’s will always be needed.

    However social networks such as facebook and YouTube as well
    as great resources including Wikipedia and Wolfram-Alpha are here to stay so
    that educators must use them in the teaching process.

     

    Some time ago YouTube moved a lot of their educational
    content to a separate domain giving people access a broad set of educational
    videos.

     

    However, some complaints include the variety of the content
    found there as well as the need for schools to register on YouTube under the
    academic section in order to show their videos, leaving out many academics,
    professionals and students not formally associated with mainstream schools
    which contribute with great videos.

     

    Many academics are posting great educational videos and
    materials online. The only problem is to sort the good ones from the rest and
    present them in an organized manner.

     

    This effort is being done by:  http://utubersity.com
    which presents the best educational videos available on YouTube in an
    organized, easy to find way to watch and learn. It also links the videos to
    related content in Wikipedia or associated websites.

     

    They are classified and tagged in a way that enables people
    to find these materials more easily and efficiently and not waste time browsing
    through pages of irrelevant search results.

     

    The website also enhances the experience using other means
    such as recommending related videos, Wikipedia content and so on. There’s also
    a Spanish version called http://utubersidad.com

  • lfokp

    Computers and tablets are only assistants and a good
    teacher’s will always be needed.

    However social networks such as facebook and YouTube as well
    as great resources including Wikipedia and Wolfram-Alpha are here to stay so
    that educators must use them in the teaching process.

     

    Some time ago YouTube moved a lot of their educational
    content to a separate domain giving people access a broad set of educational
    videos.

     

    However, some complaints include the variety of the content
    found there as well as the need for schools to register on YouTube under the
    academic section in order to show their videos, leaving out many academics,
    professionals and students not formally associated with mainstream schools
    which contribute with great videos.

     

    Many academics are posting great educational videos and
    materials online. The only problem is to sort the good ones from the rest and
    present them in an organized manner.

     

    This effort is being done by:  http://utubersity.com
    which presents the best educational videos available on YouTube in an
    organized, easy to find way to watch and learn. It also links the videos to
    related content in Wikipedia or associated websites.

     

    They are classified and tagged in a way that enables people
    to find these materials more easily and efficiently and not waste time browsing
    through pages of irrelevant search results.

     

    The website also enhances the experience using other means
    such as recommending related videos, Wikipedia content and so on. There’s also
    a Spanish version called http://utubersidad.com

  • http://twitter.com/HF_Tunisia Hamdi Frères Tunisia

    #Tunisia

  • 22028784

    This article does not describe anything new. You could teach a course to millions with instructional television in the 60s. How does he evaluate a student’s work and confirm the student’s identity? There is more to this story that needs to be told. That is where the innovation has been lacking. It is even a problem in classroom instruction but less of one.

  • 22028784

    This article does not describe anything new. You could teach a course to millions with instructional television in the 60s. How does he evaluate a student’s work and confirm the student’s identity? There is more to this story that needs to be told. That is where the innovation has been lacking. It is even a problem in classroom instruction but less of one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/adamevans77 Adam Evans

    Evidence. That makes me laugh. You have no evidence to prove your point either, yet you ask it from me for something that is obvious to all. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1122196715 Susan Martin Robbins

    The future of education…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1122196715 Susan Martin Robbins

    It depends on the university and their explicit policies as to who “owns” course materials for online courses. I have taught several online courses for the past 15+ years and my university owns the materials that I use online unless they have been previously copyrighted by me.     

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=299901116 Sue McGilloway

    Contrary to the comment regarding the lack of cognitive development within online learning, I propose that individuals who persist and take advantage of the opportunities available in online learning actually support cognitive development as well as self-discipline. I have done my entire master’s program in an online environment and have grown  in my ability to synthesize, analyze, and evaluate research. The opportunity to return to video lectures as well as instructor and student insight reflected in posts has enhanced my integration of class content. Presentation of online coursework is a cost effective method of delivery that encourages individuals with demanding work and family obligations to obtain an education.

  • jeltez42

    There are those who believe grades from tests and homework are worthless as an intelligence/compentency indicator and you should only be judged on your demonstrated abilities.  It is one thing to say I took a class on creating a search engine and got an A, but it is another to say to an employer, ’here is my search engine and here is how it works’.  The employer will then get to judge if it “works” or not as well as if you actually created the work yourself by asking you questions about it.

    The work world seems to be slowly moving away from obessing on grades and transcripts and putting focus on exactly what can you do for me an prove it by showing me and answering my questions. 

    To better phrase your concern, the question that deserves to be asked is ‘How do you mentor and give help to a million students at one time?’  Or are they just going to be left to their own devices?  If left to their own devices, then it is no different than going to a library and reading a book on the subject, which is not a bad thing.  Then there is no need to worry about evaluating student work, test scores, nor does it matter about confirming identity.  You will solely be judged on demonstrating your abilities.

    Ben Franklin was a strong advocate of self-taught education but also included that you needed learned mentors to help guide you in your studies and to keep you grounded in reality.

  • http://www.facebook.com/linary.kingdon Linary Wigg Kingdon

    ….Interesting….

  • nagabian

    For those who took the class — what set it apart from others, or other face to face classes you took with him?  I am guessing that he’s a good lecturer in the first place.  I am also guessing he used technology effectively to communicate his ideas, better than he could in a large lecture hall, perhaps with more intimacy. Details, please.

  • jmalmstrom

    I spent a lifetime evaluating distance education programs for the Navy.  Can you say the same or similar?  You sound like a change junkie.

  • jmalmstrom

    Bingo!  Aye, there’s the rub!

  • http://www.facebook.com/adamevans77 Adam Evans

    So you’ve spent your whole life “evaluating distance education.” Yet you have determined that it is not good teaching. So you are either telling me you’ve wasted your life or you are not telling the truth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/adamevans77 Adam Evans

    bookishone (is that your first name or last?), thank you for admitting that there are poor educational institutions out there. With more people like you who will voice this concern, we will one day have a society that cares about an educational system that works.

    Please don’t be bashful about your humanities dept. Tell us all where to go to get this incredible education. I might suspect that you are making this up if you can not.

  • johngraulty

    The academy does SO many things that are a thousand years old!

  • lchaim

    A faculty member at Stanford does research, and gets grants, or s/he does not get tenure.  There is no such thing as a “tenured teaching position” at a major university. Teaching is not a major activity of STEM faculty at big universities, getting grant money is what is important.    Do you mean that he is now paid on a grant, and doesn’t have to teach anymore?

     Get your facts straight, people!  How can you provide useful advice, or interesting news items, if you don’t even know how universities are organized?  

    Also, if the guy is/was/ kind of still is/ a Stanford faculty member, he has the terminal degree in his field, which would mean that he is not a “Mr.”  

  • http://twitter.com/anilgb anil

    excellent initiative, i compliment the professor and hope that the search engine his class designs can be ut on a platform for further comments and sugegstions. i had put a note on this  on my fb page yesterday as to how google ignores the need for customizing information for children or contextualizing the search. looking fwd to see great outputs 
    anil k gupta
    iim ahmedabad 

  • http://twitter.com/anilgb anil

    i agree with those who believe  that stanford shoudl offer him visiting professorship so that he is accessible fr face to face interaction to those who seek that. his idea of reaching out to masses is good, deserves to be supported and is wake up alarm to elite institutions  which do not want to democratize learning, credentials can remain institutional;. 

  • lgvroe

    Lecture was the first form of teaching because we had no other options. Even after the printing press and mass distribution of books, lecture remained, and has for centuries. We have clung to it for so long, we are reluctant to try something new. But, the time is now. If a teacher can become an effective “guide on the side,” instead of the “sage on the stage,” a true impact can happen in the classroom, where ever that happens to be.

    Yes, there are poor online courses as well as poor face-to-face lecture courses (I have taken a few of each). We should pay more attention to the quality of the instruction than the channel of communication.

    A recent workshop on active learning has caused me to take a new look at my college classroom and the way I present information and resources. I, and several of my faculty, are attempting to eliminate the lecture as much as possible. Student engagement is the goal. If it can be achieved online, providing global access, we should try it more often.

  • dongchen

    I took two online courses offered by Stanford last semester: AI by Thrun and machine learning by Ng. More precisely, I took just one, because I ended up finishing the latter happily but dropped the former because of its ineffective teaching method. The machine learning course is much better than the AI course in terms of technology used, course organization, way of evaluation, and lecturer’s presentation. Now I see why: Thrun was thinking how to commercialize it, not how to teach it in a better way. I think he has lost the point of a “open course”, which is pursued by generations of people and the original idea for these online courses.

  • http://www.EmergingLife.org J.R. Miller

    the world of teaching is changing so fast.  part of me finds it exciting, and part of me mourns the loss of mentoring relationships.  Hopefully the path forward finds a place for both.

  • http://twitter.com/ncmart Nick Martin

    No doubt this is exciting, I took AI course and am likely going to enroll in new Udacity course. I definitely think there is an important role for this kind of one-to-many self-paced online learning, particularly for subjects like Comp Sci. And the fact that it is being delivered for free or low cost will have a profound effect on higher ed.

    But I am nervous about over-hyping this approach. Time and time again, high attrition rates in online learning can be traced back to social isolation. Here’s a long but great article about the pitfalls and expectations of self paced learning by Scott Grey of O’reilly School of Tech: http://blog.oreillyschool.com/...

    Among other things, Scott’s article stresses the importance of mentorship and social interaction (learner -learner and facilitator to learner) in online learning environments based on two decades of facilitating online learning classes in comp sci. This is missing from the Khan Academy and Udacity Model. Thats what we’re working on at TechChange with courses like Mobiles for Int’l Development, Tech Tools for Emergency Management, and more. Check us out here: http://techchange.org

    I’d love to see more universities and online learning providers find a balance between these one-to many types of self-paced learning opportunities and smaller dedicated dynamic social learning environments for delivering online courses. As long as Blackboard is the common denominator I do worry that we wont see much innovation with the latter any time soon.

  • http://commercialloan-rates.com/ commercial loans

    I am pleased to have read some of them on your blog.

  • molitor28

    Will we get a digital doctorate soon? What is still needed then is the fully digitalized  student who will take these digital course, obtain a digital bachelor’s, Master’s degree (magister artium) and  finally his doctorate!  Real people would then be free to devote their time to meet with other real people interested in education, culture and intellectual exchange!

    Long live paideia, as Plato called this sort of thing!
     
    .

  • milwoodp

    Caught this news post on an on-line forum and subscribed to the Chronicle!

  • pharaoh1

    Progress in online education has been slow but steady, and many professors still resist it.  Others remain stuck in the “if it ain’t broken, …” mentality.  That model is no longer sufficient for the 21st century and needs reworking, or we would still live in caves.

  • frank_mulgrew

    Prof. Thrun is helping propel the evolution of higher education — an evolution to more interactive, engaging, practice-based learning experiences.  As he said, passively listening to lectures is not nearly as effective as active learning, which helps students gain more knowledge in a deeper and more permanent way.  Educational institutions should be seeking out scholar-practitioners who can offer students these types of experiences, as well as deliver education in flexible formats that can accommodate student needs. This includes online delivery models, which are ideally suited to providing increased and ongoing engagement between and among instructors and students. Online education also provides the scheduling flexibility, asynchronous learning, collaboration, and digital skill building that
    many adult learners are demanding today.  Prof. Thrun’s course sounds very intriguing, and I look forward to learning more.
     
    Frank Mulgrew
    President, Online Education Institute of Post University
    http://blog.Post.edu

  • intlprofs

    @ Socratease…Is there anything worth keeping from the traditional university classroom?

  • Socratease2

    Yes, of course, I never meant to say that teacher-student and student-student direct  engagement is not important. There is an art and science to education and I don’t think technology is just going to make things better, could make things worse in some regards. It is just that ultimately the market is going to decide what remains and what is transformed regardless of what may seem most educationally sound. But there are certain amounts of economic/time inefficiencies in the current higher education system that should be addressed. This is just a minor example but most college majors have a preset list of classes and prereqs, you want to be in biology ok, you have to take math 124, then 125 and then 126. But what if I do on-line instruction and improve on my own so I could go straight to math 126. Right now curricula follow a more factory like system an that should be made more flexible. A
    anyway, I am not a techno-optimist by any means but change will come regardless.

  • Jason Wong

    I don’t see how this guy is going to do it. I admire his ambition, but I don’t think it’ll work.

  • its1n1m

    Has the course or curriculum reached 500,000 students by the time of my inquiry (4/12)?