Students who while away the hours playing online games like Everquest and World of Warcraft aren’t usually thought of as social creatures. But a new report suggests that they may be just as socially active as their more conventionally gregarious classmates, according to Reuters.
The report, written by professors at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, says that children who play online games are often thought to be isolating themselves from others. In fact, the researchers argue, multi-player games—which often involve various forms of haggling and social networking—are digital gathering spots that should rightfully be compared to pubs and coffee shops. —Brock Read




18 Responses to More Social Than They Seem
physioprof - May 23, 2012 at 5:44 pm
‘But we cannot say that rape fantasies are “just fantasies” as though
this means that they are disconnected from real-world violence and
sexualized gender oppression.’
I’ve always been perplexed how anyone could truly believe this “just fantasies” notion, as it is ludicrous on its face. For it to be true, it would have to be just a matter of pure coincidence that sexual fantasies almost always involve re-enacting aspects of actual real human personal and social relations, and not, e.g., sea cucumbers and starfish hanging out on the bottom of the sea.
historiann - May 23, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Word. But contemporary “postfeminism” or choice feminism compels us all to affirm each other’s choices, and forbids us to say that no, in fact, there is such a thing as an antifeminist choice, or sexual act, or whatever. Whatever a woman wants is de facto feminist, and to disagree with this sensibility is to court backlash (as Margot is doing here, and as Dusenbery was in the exchange related above. She made a completely sensible point, and was apparently leapt upon because she didn’t entirely affirm another woman’s theoretical choice as a feminist choice!)
It’s like childhood today: everybody gets a trophy, and everyone gets to call herself feminist, no matter what their actual performance on the field. But it actually is *harder* to stay in the workforce rather than “opt out,” if one has the luxurty of a rich partner. It is difficult to think about how our sexualities intersect with and relfect (or contradict) our politics. It is sometimes socially awkward for heterosexual women to choose partners who aren’t two inches taller/two years older/and making twice what they make. We all make choices, but they are not all equally feminist.
Meshell Assofjello - May 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm
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We all make choices, but they are not all equally feminist.”
Hi. I’m concerned with this statement. How does one qualify what makes a choice feminist… or equally feminist to another feminist choice?
I guess maybe I am confused because it almost sounds like you’re suggesting there is a uniform feminism that applies to all women of all ages, races, ethnicities, country of origin, and socioeconomic status. And… if we know and accept ANYthing about feminism, we know that is not tue.
Traditional feminism historically and theoretically excludes poor women, women of color, women not born female, and other groups of women. Why, then, should we be surprised that there are women who adapt the most basic core principles of feminism and apply them to their lives as they see fit? If you’re going to leave us out, what choice do we have but to create our own?
I am a Black feminist sub (I elaborated on what that means here http://knobslobbingfeminism.com/blog/in-the-life-a-black-feminist-sub/ ), who happens to be a college-educated career woman and mother, and a divorcee. Your feminism is not my feminism, at least not in daily practical application. And that is fine because I think there is room for more than one voice and more than any singular experience.
There is certainly room for choice.
I value, more than anything, the freedom of choice. Having the freedom of choice doesn’t mean one will always choose what the majority wants you to, but one remains empowered as long as that choice exists. Take the right to vote, for example. Having had people before me fight for my right to vote, both as a woman and as a Black person, one might argue that I MUST vote, in every single election, no matter what. I argue that I have the right to conscientiously abstain, if I don’t feel that casting my vote for any of the candidates represents ME. Having the right to vote, and equally to refrain from doing so, is empowering to me. Or the right to make choices about my own reproduction. I’m grateful to have the right to make whatever choice I want, be it use birth control pills, have an abortion, or carry a fetus to term. My choice. Just because people fought for my right to choose an abortion, it doesn’t mean I’m obligated to have one. I’m still empowered by that choice though.
What about religion? People argue that religious people are mindless sheep who, if they would but study their religious beliefs, they’d learn the “truth” about whatever they’re supposed to uncover. Religious people are called unenlightened, fools, etc. What if people actually DO study their religions, the histories, the dogma, the doctrine, etc and still choose to have faith and believe? Isn’t that an empowering, informed choice they are allowed to make?
How do we decide which of these choices is “right”? How do we decide which is upholding whatever theory or principles we believe they should? I’m not sure we get to make those choices for other people. You deciding that my choices are not equally feminist…is limiting, dismissive, and condemning… in ways I thought we were trying to escape.
As feminists.
:)
leibowitz - May 24, 2012 at 10:17 pm
As a pretty educated straight male who’s played both BDSM roles (with female partners ranging from feminist scholars to libertarians and with work roles ranging from professor to lawyer), I agree that the politics of consensual BDSM are complicated. Personally, I’ve seen that there exists a huge connection between the scene and medieval fantasy. My guess has always been that consensual BDSM expresses desires that didn’t go away but that became less acceptable (such as control and giving it up) to even talk about after the eighteenth century and especially after 1865. Democracy is incredibly useful and allows for self-actualization (for men and women) in ways almost unthinkable three hundred years ago. I think it’s probably the highest political achievement of humans so far, but the post-industrial version of it can be pretty boring. Politically, consensual BDSM is an admission that not every desire is democratic.
In terms of the the real world, I’ve never actually met any sub, male or female, who discussed rape fantasies. From what I’ve seen in real people, the desire in consensual BDSM is for control or the giving up of control under pretty carefully negotiated terms. And personally, I think that the negotiation of desire is a very good thing for both women and men.
mikestrong - May 25, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Why line up women and pit them against feminist concepts in a discussion about submission (other than for headlines and a limiting knowledge set to work with)? One might also wonder why high-achieving very dominant males, type A executives, pay big bucks to submit to a dominatrix.
A couple of decades ago I worked in a small commercial photo lab and one of our very girl-next-door looking customers brought her business pictures to us. This was not blackmail, but rather part of the experience they paid for.
These top-level male executives flew here from far-flung locations and got the experience and a photo record of whatever. Dog collars, muzzles, whips. At the time I was amazed that this was real. She also offered sex slave roles though I don’t remember anymore whether she herself did that as well or one of her buddies did that. That was more than three decades ago but I am sure it continues, though I don’t know about that particular dominatrix woman.
If this question is asked it should not be constrained within any single stereotype. Maybe the question should be asked about submission alone, then submission for high achievers and then ask to what extent insisting on integrating the submission thesis with feminist concepts distracts us from answers about the behaviors and the effect on the individuals involved and to what extent, if any, this affects the lives and livelihoods of others.
robertdobolinaesq - May 25, 2012 at 12:07 pm
I don’t think historiann is implying a single, uniformly applicable feminism at all. She’s just implying that a choice doesn’t automatically become ethically neutral, much less “empowering” — nor is it cleansed of entanglements with power and socialization — once the language of emancipation (sexual or otherwise) is applied to it.
The problem with many common choice-feminist arguments — and bear in mind I say this as someone who overall comes down more or less in support of the choice-feminist camp — is that they confuse technical validity with descriptive power. It is, technically, valid to say that there’s no simple set of rules for determining which choices are and aren’t feminist, and that therefore any given woman’s sexual (or other) choices — even if they seem superficially disempowering — may well be empowering for her. But you can’t stop the analysis there, because all you wind up with is an abstract model of choice in which everybody must be assumed to be acting in their own best interests at all times*… and the world pretty clearly does not work this way.
The background of these choices is after all still a society whose ideas about gender are in transition, in which people grow up with many contradictory pressures, in which social and racial injustice remain facts of life, in which broken families and child sexual abuse are serious problems for many people… and this is all quite apart from the inherent limits on knowledge of outcomes, and the challenges of achieving genuine self-knowledge, that are common to every setting. Any analysis of choice and how it fits into a society, and into a narrative of emancipation and empowerment, has to take these kinds of realities into account and admit that choices can be and often are conditioned by them. (This may interfere with the notion of oneself as being a person whose choices are all inherently good and healthy, but none of us has an inbuilt right to such a notion anyway.) It’s correct to say that people should be careful about leaping to judgment of BDSM practitioners and communities, but fallacious to say that it’s either possible or desirable to completely abstain from any kind of ethical assessment of these phenomena, and it’s a habit that frankly does the community itself no favours.
(* The resemblance of this to neo-liberal economic theories that assume everyone is a rational actor is striking.)
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renprof - May 25, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Has anyone thought about asking BDSM practitioners what they think about this? I’m not, but in general, when it comes to sexuality, I put personal, lived experience first.
I’m a bit fed up with cis people speaking for trans people, heterosexuals speaking for homosexuals, and in this case, people who do not identify with BDSM for those who do.
As far as 50 Shades Of Grey goes, I understand that the problem with it is that it is so awful. Poor writing, shallow characterization, and a complete lack of understanding of sexuality in general.
This Dear Author review hits the nail on the head: “The narrative wants to occupy a position where we get to take the moral high ground sexually speaking but at the same time get to be thrilled by the eroticism of BDSM. . . . it seems to say of BDSM, ‘Tee he he he! That’s so gross!’ But secretly loves the titillation it gets from viewing the forbidden.”
You can read the full view here.
http://dearauthor.com/book-reviews/f-reviews/review-fifty-shades-of-grey-by-e-l-james/
Tenured_Radical - May 25, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Professor Weiss’s book actually does ask practitioners what they think, and they have a lot to say.
As a side note, these comments are a really good conversation.
pianiste - May 25, 2012 at 5:42 pm
It’s probably best not to get tied up in knots about this issue. I’d recommend submitting to the inevitability of ending up intellectually strapped and academically constrained. Having a good belt or two, however, will only end up masking the situation and knocking one back on her hells. It’s not always necessary to dominate the conversation or master the activity, no matter what the discipline. Not that I’d put a gag order on the discussion, or clamp down or wax censorial against the flame of knowledge.
But seriously, folks, it’s helpful to remember–as some comedian said–”How do you like living in an age when you can point randomly to any item in the Sears catalogue, and know that there’s somebody out there who wants to f**k it?”
physioprof - May 25, 2012 at 5:58 pm
I never heard of that book before, but read the review anyway, and it was fucken awesome!
physioprof - May 25, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Good one! hahahahahaha
renprof - May 25, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Thanks. I might look at the whole thing. Sounds interesting.
robertdobolinaesq - May 25, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Incidentally, for the blogger: absolutely no link from any other part of this site to this blog is currently working, including from the on-site search engine. I had to go through Google to come back and re-read this. Thought you might like to know.
Tenured_Radical - May 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Perhaps the Chron site was having problems: everything seems fixed now.
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