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‘Million Song Project’ at Columbia U. Seeks to Build Better Internet Radio

March 7, 2011, 1:31 pm

A new collaboration between Columbia University researchers and The Echo Nest, a company that tracks online music and delivers listening suggestions to users, hopes to take the human element out of Internet radio. One goal is to deliver better recommendations and more songs through improved artificial intelligence.

A giant set of Echo Nest data, which includes identifying features for one million popular songs, will make it easier for researchers to develop algorithms that can tag and recommend music to people, says Daniel P.W. Ellis, an associate professor of electrical engineering at Columbia.

At popular music-recommendation services like Pandora, that work is still done by individual people, says Ellis, who heads up the Laboratory for the Recognition and Organization of Speech and Audio at Columbia.

He says the large data set also solves a problem that has plagued music researchers for years.

Previously researchers looking to study the underlying data patterns in music had to build their own libraries from scratch and were limited in their ability to share their libraries by copyright issues.

“Everybody was in their own little pocket,” says Brian Whitman, co-founder and chief technology officer for The Echo Nest. “I would have results on 1,000 songs, but no one could replicate that.”

The scale of the set is also important because it gives researchers a larger pool of data from which to detect those underlying patterns.

Mr. Ellis is studying cover songs to determine how similar they really are. The new data set gives him more material to work with—there are at least 15 versions of the song “Louie, Louie,” for example—which makes his findings more meaningful.

This research could have a very practical application. There’s been a long history of lawsuits contending that one artist copied the work of another. Those are now decided with the help of experts who listen to disputed songs to determine their similarities.

“We’d like to be able to quantify that a bit more,” Mr. Ellis says.

Each of the million songs in the collection is broken down into a series of approximately 1,000 “events,” which could be a single note, chord, or syllable, Mr. Ellis says.

There are no audio tracks, though the songs are linked to an outside library of audio files that lets professors listen to short snippets of the music.

The project was financed by a grant from the National Science Foundation’s Grant Opportunities for Academic Liaison with Industry, or GOALI, program.

Columbia doctoral student Thierry Bertin-Mahieux selected the songs for inclusion in the data set using a “hotness” ranking developed by The Echo Nest from an automated analysis of written content about a particular song.

So far, the data set has been shared with a handful of institutions, including the University of San Diego and New York University, Mr. Ellis says, and he hopes research that comes out of the data set will encourage other researchers to use the data as well.

Beyond commercial applications, he says the data can help answer a fundamental question about what what makes music what it is: “What is the common underlying structure that separates this from random data?”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Alexander/1333415340 Rick Alexander

    Would like to see this happen

  • antiutopia

    Gotta wonder why the hostility toward faculty… Dear Gene Fant: do you have anything positive to say or even think about your faculty members?  Do you have any ideas about how better to support them?   

  • 12103289

    I can honestly say I have never been jealous of one of my students for their academic ability or a higher paycheck–it is so rewarding to see them succeed the thought never occurred to me to be jealous.

    It might be helpful for you to reflect on this line from Desiderata–”If you compare yourself with others,

    you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.”

    I feel blessed to be in academia where I can mentor young people and actually get paid to learn while doing my job.

  • t123456

    Where exactly are you reading this “hostility toward faculty”? You must be reading something different than I am, because there’s nothing here at all that’s negative about Dr. Fant’s faculty members. 

  • skyedent

    I just can’t imagine that most professors or mentors in any profession feel the kind of envy you describe.  I doubt that Jean O’Brien (Rowen), my junior high teacher and mentor made more than $35,000 a year.  I went on to make $78,000 for a three month period writing for TV.  Later, I gave a lecture to journalists on how to switch from journalism to TV writing.  Two years later, I was unemployed and a woman from that audience had switched from journalism and was then working on Dirty Sexy Money.  I was delighted.  If you are jealous of your students, you simply have a jealous nature.  Therefore, a more important question might be whether your inherently jealous nature prevents you from giving your all when mentoring and teaching a student who might outshine you.

  • zagros

    I would love if *all* of my students ended up outearning me and I bet that my Chancellor would love them to do so as well — and, of course, he also wouldn’t mind if they endowed a chair or two for faculty along the way.  After all, if the university’s real measure of output is the success of its alumni then wouldn’t you want them to succeed?  If the university is reliant on alumni donations or your university is a state school where taxpayers look at alumni success as the ultimate goal, wouldn’t you want them to do well?  A rising tide raises all ships and when your students succeed, they can give back and help your university to do even greater things for the next generation that come to the school to be educated.  Of course, this is their choice but if you had anything to do with their success, some percentage of them will provide donations.  Conversely, if your alumni do not find success, why would any of them donate back to their alma mater?

  • cal_grad

    Wow, sounds like someone is bitter, remorseful, and regretful, and projecting it onto others.  Poor fellow.

  • t123456

    Wow, sounds like a lot of people can’t be honest with themselves and can’t appreciate honesty from someone else. 

  • wolf359

    I envy their youthful vigor and limitless potential more than something as crude as money.

  • antiutopia

    Just read the comments following mine, really.  But you could start with the assumption that faculty members feel like such professional failures that they would envy their own students, that they need to come up with “rationalizations” that “balm” their “bruised paycheck or ego.”  If he cannot imagine that faculty members can feel fulfilled in their profession this man does not respect the teaching profession, hates college faculty members, and has no business in higher ed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Wangsvick/26717288 Paul Wangsvick

    From a student’s point of view who did just as you described, there is the temporary high of feeling like you outdo your professors, but at some point the financial difference is less important because, much like oxygen, it only matters when you have none. Eventually you grow up and defining success, at least for me, as become less about money and more about enjoying what I do.

  • t123456

    You’re sure quick to make some serious judgments about the guy based on one short article in which you can’t pick up on nuance. He’s including himself in his statements more than anything, and is in no way accusing his faculty members of wrongdoing. The guy’s not saying he’s always characterized by these feelings, but that if he’s honest with himself, they do surface from time to time. I think if others were honest with themselves, they’d agree with him. 

  • eryx1959

    I have a simple solution. When a former student outearns me, I kidnap one of their children for ransom. If they have no children, I eat them.

  • KMHahn

    I once had a student who was graduating and wanted to work with Ralph Nader. His parents were extremely upset about the starting salary, it was “offensive.”  I had to tell him it was 4k more than I made as a 35 year old staff member at the college. I also told him how much I loved my job and I was in want for nothing. I guess I have almost always had students who make more than I do. I have been trying to explain to them that they can live happily with less. I love my job, that is what is most important to me. 

  • sxmcp

    Interesting article … but why would any teacher begrudge their students’ success? Isn’t that the point, even if we all define “success” differently?

  • 22024621

    If you feel jealous of your students’ success, of which you played only a minor role in their overall education, would you also feel jealous if your children earned more than you, where your role was much greater?

  • bennie20

    I recall hearing an address by Geoffrey Canada in which he spoke of teachers’ salaries as part of the equation for high quality education. Mr. Canada recounted his shock when his son, then newly graduated from law school, called to tell him that he had accepted a job at a law firm and would be earning upwards of $100,000. He wondered what a newly minted attorney could offer a firm that would be worth so much money. He compared that salary with what we offer new teachers and posed the rhetorical question of why we would expect the best and brightest to become teachers in the U.S., and how we could justify demanding endless energy, enthusiasm, innovation, caring, and accountability in exchange for a teacher’s salary. 

    It’s true that those of us who enter academia don’t expect to be rich. It is also true that money isn’t everything. I’m fortunate to live comfortably as a Full Professor in a smallish city. But I’d love to have more in my retirement account or the money to fix up my old house. And I did live fairly hand-to-mouth when I was an Assistant Professor repaying the student loans I needed to complete my Ph.D. 

    I agree with Gene Fant that it can be disconcerting to be reminded how relatively little society values educators (while supposedly valuing education) when one sees former students with a BA or BS significantly out-earning their profs. Perhaps the term “envy” was a poor choice for this article, but I do agree that, without resenting my former students’ successes, that I sometimes feel a twinge of resentment (albeit not towards them) when I hear that they are earning large salaries and getting glorious bonuses. It is a bit as if an employee were earning more than his or her boss. And I’d really love one of those annual bonuses that surpasses any annual increase I’ve ever had so that I’d be able to retire relatively comfortably before age 70.

  • bennie20

    Wondering if you have a trust fund that allows you to view income as “crude?”

  • bennie20

    I’d be happy for my kids to earn more than I do some day. They are at least likely to be willing to help me out if my retirement savings, which would be more if I weren’t saving for their college education, ran short. While I have many financially successful former students who stay in touch and express gratitude for my teaching and mentorship, I doubt that any of them will ever spring for a prescription or help pay a home health aide when I’m in my dotage.

    I care a lot about my students, but they are other people’s kids. I dislike the whole notion of professor “in locus parentis” and don’t like implications that I should think of my students as my offspring. If nothing else, such thinking leads to rampant grade inflation!

  • mikewillis

    As somebody who gave up a big corporate paycheck to teach, I encourage my students to get all they can without a single envious twinge.  I had it.  It was nice.  I no longer need it.  I hope my students get it so they can spend their child-rearing years in relative comfort, as I did.  Now that the kids are grown (mostly), my need for financial ego stroking has abated.

  • ksledge

    I LOVE it when my students achieve at high levels and when they “surpass” me! It makes me so proud and happy for them. I agree with the person who said they wished all of their students would out-earn them.

  • mojay

    Although not a faculty member – I work in an advising capacity in student affairs – I can relate to most of paragraph one. I also get to know my students over several years, rather than a term or two, have seen many students grow from unfocused freshman to real world adults, and written countless letters of recommendation. I have watched my students enter lucrative careers and illustrious graduate programs, but truly I feel only pride tempered by a touch of nostalgia for that exciting time of life. I have the greatest job in the world, so what’s to envy?

  • dpcowboy

    “Most of us in academe are not in it for the money.”
    I laughed for five minutes after reading just the first paragraph! Salaries paid to academics in the US are outrageous, considering the amount of work completed. Pensions and tenure and benefits are superbly ‘rich’,  and after all of those untidy little ‘money’ issues are put aside,  the lifestyle can’t be beat. With 9% unemployment (measured) and 18% effective unemployment (actual), I would think that the author would think twice, maybe take a drive over to see how the ‘other half’ lives.
    What a way to establish (or not establish) your bona fides in the beginning of an article!

  • walkingtree

    I remember the day I gave a draft of my first dissertation chapter to my advisor. He read and told me angrily, “Nobody will surpass my book on this topic!” He didn’t return the chapter and told me not to publish it or show it to anyone else. Not long after, he went on to write a book on the same topic and used the gist of the chapter without reference. His wife also asked me to present the chapter at her university. After the presentation, she said angrily, “My student is going to do what you are working on!” She encouraged her student to copycat me and my colleague. These are two extremely successful people, but they can’t accept a nameless grad student do anything innovative or vaguely interesting.

  • girl37

    Did you miss the news of the New Faculty Majority Foundation’s National Summit to be held in Washington, DC, this upcoming Saturday? I’m not American but from my impressions adjuncts in the US are not receiving “outrageous” salaries, unless you mean outrageously low.

  • henry_adams

    I applaud the successes of my students, but I also envy something as crude as money.

    Henry Adams

  • rebecca_pittsburgh

    I may be in the minority here, but I left academia because I was tired of seeing 22 year olds leave our program and make more than I was making, as I juggled student loan debt (hurry up and finish that PhD so you can keep your “lofty position”..) and the responsibiliites of a mother, head of household, home owner, etc. 

    If the program was such a big winner for students, the faculty ought to be appropriately compensated. I, for one, don’t think that’s too much to ask.

  • rebecca_pittsburgh

    you clearly don’t know what you are talking about.  I finally left academia and doubled my salary with a job in the business (same discipline in which I was teaching); a salary that many of my 22 year old graduates made shortly after graduation.

    You’re believing myths about educators and you’re just wrong.  Most of the educators that are actually standing in classrooms and working with students are sorely UNDERPAID.

  • mojay

    Wow, I could have written this post myself.  Does the academy instill pathological insecurities in brilliant minds, or does it simply attract that profile?

  • mojay

    Wow, I could have written this post myself.  Does the academy instill pathological insecurities in brilliant minds, or does it simply attract that profile?

  • adjunctcarol

    The untapped potential of adjuncts is vastly ignored. Good people are left adrift, and even if they cling to the school, both parties and the students lose out somewhat.   

  • cerebellum

    I appreciate and agree with the balanced comments posted by fullproff99.

    I was simmering for hours after reading Mr. Sweeney’s essay, largely over the assumption he makes that the deck is stacked against adjuncts and that they are undervalued, which is not my experience at my institution.

    Reading the range of comments, I also realize that the hiring situation varies dramatically across the different types of institutions.  At R-1s for example, exemplary teaching as an adjunct won’t get you very far toward a permanent position.  However, at two-year institutions, such as mine, we often hire people who have taught for us in part-time or temporary positions.

    I am not aware of any situation in which an adjunct instructor has been rejected for a full-time job due to being too young or too old.  At two-year institutions, publications are rarely an issue.  (A bonus if you have them, but not a problem if you don’t.) 

    Terminal degrees may be a very legitimate issue for institutions; depending on the level of degrees that you offer, accrediting bodies require that a certain percentage of faculty have terminal degrees.  With SACS, for example, if you offer bachelors degrees, at least 25% of the faculty teaching in the degree program must have terminal degrees.  So institutions cannot totally ignore terminal degrees in making hiring decisions.  At my institution, however, it is not uncommon for us to hire someone with a master’s degree over someone with a doctorate if we think the candidate with the master’s degree will do a better job teaching our students.

    As to Mr. Sweeney’s comment that sometimes adjuncts are not hired because they are “too noncompliant…”  You betcha!  There are many talented instructors out there, so why would we hire one that is destined to create administrative problems due to non-compliance?

    My institution has an excellent record of hiring adjunct instructors into tenure-track positions.  But here are some things that adjunct instructors should consider when applying for tenure-track positions.

    1.)  We always try to hire the person that we think will do the best job teaching OUR students.  That person may be one of our own adjunct instructors or may be an external applicant.

    2.)  We actually have a slight bias toward hiring our own adjuncts.  That is, they always at least get an “extra look.”  But simply having been an adjunct instructor at our institution won’t carry the day.

    3.)  We have many adjunct instructors.  We cannot offer all of them full-time positions.  Seniority as an adjunct instructor does not carry any weight whatsoever.  If you are an adjunct instructor wanting to be hired into a tenure-track position, it does not help to be the adjunct who has been with us the longest.  It only helps to be the adjunct that has done the best job (which includes both teaching and compliance with those tedious administrative tasks).

    4.)  A sense of entitlement will not get you very far.  I have seen valued adjuncts lose positions that I thought they would win because they conveyed the sense of feeling entitled to the position, and did not DEMONSTRATE that they were the best for the position as part of the application and interview process.

    5.)  Take the entire application and interview process very seriously and make sure that you put your best foot forward on both.  Cover letters and resumes that are littered with typos and other errors can’t be overlooked or excused.  Prepare for and execute your interview with the same care and precision that you would expect and outside candidate to use.  That may be who you will be competing with. 

    6.)  If you want to work in an environment where your teaching will be valued, apply for positions at two-year colleges.  Teaching is still “king” at two-year institutions.

    Good luck to adjunct instructors everywhere.

  • profdrsoandso

    This is a very incisive post. If I were to change anything it is in the sentence, “I was apparently good enough to “date”, but not good enough to “marry”.  Considering how adjuncts are ill-used, I would have chosen a different, more forceful and less decorous word than “date.”

  • mayari

    For those of you who share in the plight of the adjunct–and want to see us get ahead–(yes, definitely tick, tock, tick, tock!)–please sign the following petition, and SHARE it with others, so we can have our voice heard, loud and clear: http://signon.org/sign/better-pay-for-adjuncts.fb1?source=c.fb&r_by=426534 

  • singfasola

    I came to higher ed after many years in the corporate IT world, where we regularly lamented (“How can they do that?”) the salaries offered to college-grad hires, that quite often matched what we, with years of experience, were earning.  Well, that was life, and life’s not fair.

    The knowledge I had as a newbie is pitiable compared to the knowledge required in an entry-level job in my field today. My field changes so much,so fast, and the business-world employment requirements change with them. Resenting the opportunities our grads have is a waste of my time and energy. Besides, once they have taken that first job, they are responsible for their own subsequent success.

  • misstrudy

    I have had students do really well, much better (financially) than I. However, I have more than enough going on in my life to feel real envy. I am aware I don’t have what it takes to get where they got—I don’t have the time, energy or will–and I don’t particularly want to, either. I know they have done so well because they keep in touch and tell me about their lives, and it has been a pleasure to know that, even if a tiny bit, I contributed to their getting ahead in life.  They are very nice about it too. It is a little as if one’s kids do better than us, which hopefully they will.  It feels a bit strange that my kids are financially much better off than I am, but I don’t envy them. I like my life and I don’t want theirs.  I am happy for them.  And in many ways, I reap the rewards of my students’ doing well.  I can now brag about them, same as I brag about my kids! 

  • lizziec

    I’ve come to see academia as a petty, irrational world full of miscreants who hold on to their power bases at any cost, with the only consideration being that of protecting their turf. Students? Colleagues? Growing the department? Expanding the skill set in the faculty? Not if there is one small chance that this would impact them in a negative manner. 

    Think about it: what kind of a threat to an entrenched, and “comfortable” tenured faculty member does “someone in their mid-20s with little to no teaching experience (or life experience, for that matter) and a publication or two” present as compared to someone like yourself who not only has the teaching, mentoring and graduate research experience, but actually knows what is going on outside of academia?  

    I’ve seen that ugly green facade.  I’m afraid that in many cases, you’re in a no-win situation until/unless you find someone who is evolved to the point of self-actualization and is strong enough in their own rite, and comfortable enough in their own skin to say “there’s room for many perspectives here, and I may even learn something from you!  Welcome to the department.”  Too often this crowd prefers “the way it’s always been done”.

    I left academia about a year ago (still adjuncting – left a FT position at an R-1) and one of the reasons was the chair, who told us in a faculty meeting, with a straight face, that the curriculum they had been teaching since 1982 has been “working” for students, and she saw no need to change anything.  When I tell you this was a technology department – you might be disgusted (as were the faculty members who were trying to get some classes brought into the 21st century).  At the end of the day, the TRUTH was that this chair had no flippin’ idea about ANYTHING that had emerged since 1982, and was an expert in all things 1982,… so she fought growth and progress, and threatened / punished anyone who tried to bring in anything new because she was afraid of looking irrelevant (sorry to tell her, the students already know this…)

    If you’re looking for magnanimity, pass the ivory tower by, as it seems to be most rare in the hallowed halls of the academy, sad to say.

  • dpcowboy

    Sorry, but I disagree., rebecca_pittsburgh. I do think I know what I am talking about.  And I am not believing any myths, so get off your high horse. Yes, it is possible to leave academia and double your salary.  And I know, for a fact, that a tenured professor with 25 years on the faculty makes an average of $142k at the University of Callifornia. The pension is 100% of the average of this professor’s last three years of salary, and benefits continue through death. The reason why I laughed is because people make CHOICES…and the lifestyle, the salary, the benefits, etc. all factor into the choice they make….and the choices you made. The total package of professors, and even ‘educators’, is very attractive and that is why people line up for these jobs.
    Salary is only one factor. My best friend is a career ‘educator’ and retired tenured professor of mathematics.  It was his only job. He and I always were amazed at how little he (and his peers) actually worked. Teaching five hours a week was a full load at his university. He averaged about twenty five hours a week.  He managed his income well, got paid for “consulting” (haha), raised a family, and now lives in a very affluent seaside community. That same story is repeated hundreds of times over in academia. I would call that OVERPAID.  IMHO.

  • jbarman

    As with so many other logical disconnects, the sole reason that smoking is legal is that there is so much money to be made (cigarette executives, lobbyists, politicians, tax coffers). Does anyone still doubt that tobacco companies hope and pray that minors become addicted, while hypocritically maintaining that smoking is for adults? The companies know that when people reach their 20′s, it is usually too late to hook them.

  • duppy_conqueror

    Marijuana, cocaine, and at one time alcohol are/were all banned. How’s that ban working out?

  • 12080243

    “Proctor’s prescription: Rather than concentrate on educating the public about tobacco’s dangers, eliminate the product.”

    Agreed, but how?

    If you had the knowledge to put an end to the plague of diseases caused by cigarettes and tobacco, would you use it? 

    A scientist, properly motivated and equipped with knowledge of tobacco genetics, will end the scourge of tobacco. It will not be ended by principled do-gooders exercising their talents through courts or legislators. That’s the prediction in “TobaccoPharm, A Divine and Deadly Green Factory” by Marc DePree. (E-book at Amazon)

    Farfetched? You’ll be surprised how easy it might be. TobaccoPharm will leave you wondering when, not if, the plague of tobacco will end.

    Chauncey M. DePree, Jr., DBA, Professor, College of Business, University of Southern Mississippi. Recent academic research: http://ssrn.com/author=397169 ; Novels found at Amazon: Rufus McCoy and Profiteers in the Ivory Tower, and TobaccoPharm. Editor, http://www.usmnews.net