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Librarians Talk Google Books, Orphan Works, and What’s Next

April 1, 2011, 11:49 am

Philadelphia—Like a lot of other people, academic librarians are wondering what happens now that a federal judge has tossed out the proposed settlement in the lawsuit over Google’s book-scanning project. Some of them got together for an informal roundtable discussion of the ruling at the Association of College and Research Libraries’ conference, which runs here through Saturday.

The discussion was led by Corey Williams, the associate director of the American Library Association’s Washington office. (The ACRL is a division of the ALA.) Ms. Williams tracks legislative issues for the association. She made it clear that her remarks did not represent any official ALA position.

“The world has changed a lot since 2005, when this lawsuit began,” Ms. Williams told the group. “Now it’s 2011, and the marketplace, many have observed, is just moving forward. Where does this leave us in our day-to-day operating of our libraries?”

Librarians are especially keen to figure out what to do about orphan works, which are under copyright but whose rights owners can’t be identified or found. Who gets to make use of those works has been a big issue in the Google case.

“Many of us have those in our collections and would love to make those available,” Ms. Williams said. “Some of us do make them available.”

For instance, James G. Neal, the university librarian at Columbia University, said the institution has digitized and made available tens of thousands of orphan works. The university makes them available, with a disclaimer asking rights holders to get in touch if they object. So far, Mr. Neal said, no one has.

A lot of the discussion turned on the prospects for orphan-works legislation. Ms. Williams recapped the recent history of orphan-works bills and some of the concerns the library community has had with them. She pointed out that, in the last Congress, no orphan-works legislation was introduced. But she also said that, since the Google ruling, there have been some closed-door conversations on the Hill about orphan works. “If that train leaves the station, we want to be on that train,” Ms. Williams said, encouraging people to keep on top of the issue and make their voices heard with their representatives.

Some of those assembled said they thought librarians ought to develop their own set of best practices on fair use and orphan works rather than waiting for Congress to do something. “If we can develop our own standards, that would be a better way to go than legislation,” one audience member said. Another added, “We need to be exploiting fair use more.” But Mr. Neal of Columbia urged caution, saying that overemphasizing best practices could easily devolve into a reliance on vague use guidelines.

Ms. Williams also raised the idea of the Digital Public Library of America championed by Harvard’s Robert Darnton and others.

“There are lots of competing interests here—commercial, not-for-profit,” she said. “So what do you think? Do you think this is all doable?”

Nobody in the room had an answer. Meanwhile, academic libraries continue their book-digitizing work.

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  • d_fevens

    For instance, James G. Neal, the university librarian at Columbia University, said the institution has digitized and made available tens of thousands of orphan works.

    Were they truly orphans? Did the university undertake a search for the copyright holders of these volumes? Or did they do like Google and the University of Wisconsin and digitize the books by the truck load never minding about the rights of others? Gillian Spraggs of the Action on Authors’ Rights said, “…the rights to these books don’t belong to the US public, any more than they belong to Google, or to the class counsel in the class action case…”(Link)

    Douglas Fevens
    Halifax, Nova Scotia
    The University of Wisconsin, Google, & Me

  • wmartin46

    At the end of WWII, Congress issued a “Finding of Death” for tens of thousands of GIs who went off to war, and didn’t come back. Congress felt that it was best to allow the families of those men and women to get on with their lives, rather than to deal with the fact that loved ones were probably dead, but no official closure was available to the families.

    With the resources of credit agencies like Equifax, and the SSDI (Social Security Death Index), it would seem that it would not be that hard to make a “good faith” effort to locate copyright holders thought to be “orphans”. Congress could modify the Copyright laws to allow use of “orphan” works if a “good faith” effort were made to locate them, and that their Copyright rights could be asserted later, if they turned up later. A compensation pool could be established to sweeten the pot for those people who feel that they have been short changed by this process.

  • ruritania

    As an illustrator with registered copyrights who is greatly concerned about google’s attempt to own every piece of intellectual property on the planet, I am grateful to you, Mr. Fevens, for your continued presence on these sites and continued commentary. Academics are particularly ignorant of copyrights, and many are surprisingly unable to grasp that such laws protect not just huge corporations such as Disney, but individual artists(writers, musicians, creators) as well. They have succumbed to the modern, google search engine inspired notion that if something is readily available, it should be free. And of course, if they stupidly don’t care if their own work is infringed, they feel everyone should feel that way.
    You’re correct that academic libraries, just like google, want to put the burden on the owner to opt out, rather than opt in. But how can you track all such infringements?
    My advice: when you create something, register it. Keep up the good work.

  • wmartin46

    > “…the rights to these books don’t belong to the US public, any more than they belong to
    > Google, or to the class counsel in the class action case..

    Private property rights are not absolute–

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    The Supreme Court has held that the federal government and each state has the power of eminent domain—the power to take private property for “public use”. The Takings Clause, the last clause of the Fifth Amendment, limits the power of eminent domain by requiring that “just compensation” be paid if private property is taken for public use

    Nor are intellectual property rights. Copyright “rights” are a product of the political process. So, adjusting those rights in increase “public use” is most certainly within the power of Congress.

  • d_fevens

    Copyright “rights” are a product of the political process.

    So you would be in favour of the United States quitting the Berne Convention and the protection it offers American interests in the international community? Or is it more a, “We can violate copyright laws because it is in our interest, but you cannot”?
    Douglas Fevens
    Halifax, Nova Scotia
    The University of Wisconsin, Google, & Me

  • wmartin46

    I would be in favor of rethinking copyright so that rather than being a barrier to digital distribution, it becomes a basis for people being paid for their works that are digitally distributed, in an appropriate way.

  • d_fevens

    My advice: when you create something, register it.

    Makes no difference: Canadian Copyright Register- FEVENS

  • ruritania

    Oh, but it does. While it cannot prevent infringement, it does give you legal recourse.It may take years and be frustrating and expensive, but where would you be had you not registered it?
    Believe me, I’m on your side.

  • zagros

    There is a really easy way to deal with “orphan works.” Place on the actual copyright form where we register our copyrights a checkbox that allows libraries to photocopy orphan works (defined as being out of print) in total and distribute them to their patrons provided the works are no longer available for sale (I would require that the copyright holder actually check the box so that it is opt-in rather than opt-out) and provided the photocopying carry with it a “copyright royalty fee” that is set by the copyright office and which can be claimed by the author or author’s agent. Such libraries would be required to provide the copyright royalty fees to the Copyright Office, which would then be required to post on its website a list of all copyright royalty fees by work once those fees exceed $10. Copyright owners could then claim those fees from the Copyright Office. This makes it so that creators of “orphan works” would not have to go after each individual library nor would libraries have to go find the creators of “orphan works.” They would merely have to look up the works to ensure that the works are (a) out-of-print and (b) allowed to be photocopied under this procedure. This is an “opt-in” procedure that would hold harmless the person who uses orphan works where the “opt-in” procedure is utilized but that would deny to libraries the ability to copy these works if the copyright owner has not given advance permission.

    We could also allow copyright owners to re-register their claims to the works so that these orphan “benefits” could be derived.

    While we cannot retroactively extend copyright nor can we reintroduce copyright for works where copyright has been legally lost (see other cases for this issue), we also cannot allow wholesale copyright violations to occur. Columbia University should be the next target for a lawsuit. If my work has been subject to their photocopying, I definitely object (at least for the academic journals that I publish, the terms of how to obtain copyright permission from me is clearly specified and it is VERY easy to find me because my address is printed directly in the journals that I publish).

    Finally, just curious — does anyone know how to easily find out what materials Columbia University *has* photocopied? After all, how can we object if we do not know that the violation has actually occurred? I really don’t have the time or the inclination to continuously contact the thousands of university libraries out there to see if they might have photocopied my work illegally….

  • sand6432

    “Zagros” confuses orphan works with out-of-print works; they are, of course, not the same. Moreover, what “out of print” means in the digital age is a good question. Books that are available by “print on demand” are technically in print even though no physical inventory exists. Combined with retrospective digitization, POD increasingly will make OP works a vanishing category. It is also not true that copyright cannot be retroactively extended or restored to works previously in the public domain. Congress has done both. As for Columbia’s action, it was no doubt taken after careful risk analysis, which any user should undertake. From the fact that no owner has surfaced to challenge Columbia’s action, I’d say that it made the right call.—Sandy Thatcher

  • d_fevens

    “From the fact that no owner has surfaced to challenge Columbia’s action, I’d say that it made the right call.”

    With all due respect Sandy, I see nothing “right” about Columbia’s action as reported in the article. It will take just one owner to come forward to assert his rights to discredit the program. I am not a lawyer, but it would seem to me that the university’s “disclaimer asking rights holders to get in touch if they object” is an admission that their digitization of in-copyright works is wrong. How does Columbia University come by the right to define “orphan works”?

  • mbelvadi

    Social Security Death Index? Does it include the specific terms of the person’s will or results of any probate court? Remember that the copyright in the US does not end with the death of the author, but passes down to their heirs for 70 years – that could require not only researching who inherited the author’s IP assets, but quite possibly even who inherited the IP assets from THAT heir when they die! What is needed is for Congress to clarify what a “good faith” effort is for a non-profit reproduction of a work (or for copyright to expire with the death of the author). No library has the legal resources to engage in probate-court research for even a single work, and libraries are interested in doing this on the scale of thousands of works.

  • jimneal

    This is a post from Jim Neal at Columbia. I want to confirm the types of orphan materials we have digitized. We have not digitized in copyright published books. We have digitized pre-1950 ephemeral type items from our special collections: New York City apartment brochures, architectural images on stationery, older corporate reports, East Asian ceremonial paper gods, missionary documents. In all cases, we have carried out extensive due diligence on rights issues, consulted with legal expertise, and provided a take down procedure. Any books we have digitized have only been out of copyright works, and we remain committed to this practice.

  • jxmiller

    Corey Williams did not raise the issue of Darnton’s Digital Public Library, I did (Jonathan Miller, Rollins College.) Much of the discussion of Judge Chin’s decision has included a discussion of the DPL as a possibly more successful alternative to Google’s attempt to make digitized books available on a mass scale. Personally I see no reason why those opposed to such efforts (see most comments here) would be more likely to accept a public over a corporate/private solution.

  • wmartin46

    > Does it include the specific terms of the person’s will or results of any probate court

    Of course not. But it does provide the zipcode of the person at the time of death. If someone were attempting to locate orphan copyright holders (or their estates), then using this zipcode, and date of death, one could quite possibly use obituaries in the local papers to identify family members–who then could be contacted about their interests in the deceased’s copyright interests. Of course, this takes time and money, but this is what’s involved in a “good faith” attempt to find people.

    > What is needed is for Congress to clarify what a “good faith” effort is for a
    > non-profit reproduction of a work (or for copyright to expire with the death of
    > the author). No library has the legal resources to engage in probate-court research
    > for even a single work, and libraries are interested in doing this on the scale
    > of thousands of works.

    Agreed, although by limiting any extension of “good faith” to non-profits, this excludes any interest in “for-profits” to use their resources to locate the owners of “copyright orphans”. The Google solution of setting up a compensation fund seems fair enough–it’s just not proper under the current copyright law (or so it seems).

  • d_fevens

    Personally I see no reason why those opposed ….

    FYI – dpla-discussion. If the “public” showed no greater respect to my rights than Google and the University of Wisconsin, of course I would oppose their use of my work.
    Douglas Fevens
    Halifax, Nova Scotia
    The University of Wisconsin, Google, & Me

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gabe-Gossett/100000400870891 Gabe Gossett

    A small, but technically important, point to make: photocopy is the wrong word to be using. These are works that are being digitized.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photocopy
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitize

  • jenhoward

    Jim: Thanks for making clear the distinctions among different kinds of orphans and which ones Columbia’s focusing on. That’s critical information to have in this discussion.

    Jonathan: Thanks for the comment. Williams read the group some of Darnton’s recent comments about GBS and the idea of a digital public library.

  • d_fevens

    Does the Google Books Settlement set the stage for a congressional intervention? is an interview with James Grimmelmann. He and his law students maintain the Public Index website– “the everything about Google Books website.”