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Liberal-Arts Colleges Venture Into Unlikely Territory: Online Courses

June 29, 2011, 6:31 pm

Bryn Mawr, Pa.—The small liberal-arts college in this Pennsylvania town offers students an intimate learning experience. There is one professor for every eight students, each of whom pays about $40,000 for that kind of access. Now the college wants to add courses that are partly online into this setting, and it wants other liberal-arts institutions to follow suit.

“It’s going to raise some eyebrows,” said Joseph C. Amato, a professor of physics at Colgate University, who was attending a meeting here on Tuesday about blending liberal-arts teaching with online learning.

Bryn Mawr won a $250,000 grant from Next Generation Learning Challenges this spring to explore how online courseware could fit into the close-knit liberal-arts experience. The software, a sophisticated form of “computer tutor,” will be introduced into traditional math and science classes this fall to improve course-completion rates. Professors at even the most tony colleges say they are seeing completion—and math- and science-major retention—as more of a problem.

Mr. Amato was right, though. Eyebrows were indeed raised. “You have created a way to teach students without faculty,” a professor in a workshop session said.

“No,” said Candace Thille, project director of the Open Learning Initiative at Carnegie Mellon University, which developed the software that Bryn Mawr and 35 other colleges will be using. “We are creating a way for you to spend time in class teaching different things, freed from the burden of teaching basic skills.” The software gives individualized instruction in 12 subjects, using sophisticated tracking of skill development and offering instant feedback and help based on the student’s mastery of concepts. The idea is to use this to teach basic statistics, say, instead of using a professor’s lectures—and time—on the fundamentals.

“We don’t see this grant as replacing our most precious product, which is student-faculty interaction and student-student interaction,” said Kimberly Cassidy, Bryn Mawr’s provost and a professor of psychology who is the principal investigator on the project.

“We want professors in these courses, which are first- and second-year classes, talking about more sophisticated ideas with the students,” Ms. Cassidy added.

One of the issues professors face in large courses “is the diversity of backgrounds of the students coming in,” said Lisa Dierker, a professor of psychology at Wesleyan University who has used the Carnegie Mellon software. “Some are really well prepared, and some are lost and panicked.” In her psychological-statistics class, she said, the software module has given her a much better idea of who knows what, and lets her direct extra help where it is needed.

Research published on the Carnegie Mellon course modules indicates that they are effective. At a large public university, 99 percent of students taking the program’s formal-logic course online completed it, compared with 41 percent of students in the traditional course. At Carnegie Mellon, students who took an accelerated-statistics course in hybrid form completed it in eight weeks, and learned as much material, and performed as well on tests, as did students taking a traditional 15-week course.

Just how professors could make use of time in their classes, if the computer took over some of the basics, was something that everyone wondered. And nobody had good answers. “We’re in uncharted territory here,” said Ms. Cassidy. In the coming academic year, Bryn Mawr intends to experiment in biology, chemistry, and statistics classes, to find out if there are indeed better things for professors and students to do.

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  • cwinton

    Talk about a case of biting the hand that feeds you. No wonder Liberty has hired a PR firm to spin this little revelation regarding the extent to which they are recipients of largess that comes from the US taxpayer. For those who say the federal dollars come to the institution indirectly, I’m quite sure Liberty has the usual financial aid office to put together the “package” for each student, something I would hardly consider to be indirect. $445 million is not exactly chump change in this or any institution’s budget, and I’m quite sure Liberty is quite deliberately going after this money full throttle. If their supporters are so eager to chop funds supporting education, perhaps they might try to rein in Liberty as a first step.

  • FUtah2011

    Some liberty they have there at Liberty U.

  • westerntc

    So if I open a madrasa that advocates terrorism and the destruction of the American way of life, and 50,000 students sign up and request financial aid, that’s just peachy?

    You’re over-thinking the whole thing: conservatives don’t want tax dollars supporting liberal entities like NPR, and liberals don’t want tax dollars supporting conservative indoctrination units like Liberty.

  • panthernation

    My favorite Liberty incident was about 12 years ago. I was on their campus, and the student government was proposing a rule to ban “secular” music on campus. Someone finally realized that such a ban would preclude the National Anthem from being played before sporting events. This isn’t exactly relevant to this discussion, but….it does make the response of banning the city newspaper seem rather in touch with their practices.

  • panthernation

    Ummm…there’s a gigantic deficit, and a Liberty education (particularly for students who could support themselves) is the epitome of “nonessential.” Just sayin….

  • chilli11

    @panthernation (I can’t reply to your post for some reason) – The government isn’t giving money to Liberty, they’re giving it to students, and those students aren’t getting government money if they can pay for school themselves.

    Maybe we should severely reduce the amount of student loan money available in general, but at least be honest about the differences here.

  • chilli11

    When did LU start classes on terrorism? Can I audit?

    That is a ridiculous comparison. We’ve gone from apples-oranges to apples-orangutans.

  • westerntc

    Liberty University has a long history of condemning homosexuality. They were even founded by a reverend who blamed the 9/11 attacks on gays and lesbians. Liberty, while having many quality courses, teaches bigoted lessons.

    Should our tax dollars fund an education that blatantly denounces homosexuals as second-class citizens? Many conservatives don’t see a problem with that, just as many liberals don’t see a problem with funding center-left NPR.

    chilli11, obviously you don’t see a problem giving money to an institution that supports bigotry. How about an anti-American madrasa? How about online degree mills that mislead their students? An education is an education is an education, right?

    Calling for de-funding of NPR while keeping mum about the funding of hyper-conservative institutions is hypocrisy born of political sway.

    My point remains: people don’t want their tax dollars supporting institutions with which they politically disagree. Conservatives don’t like liberal causes (braeburn apples), and liberals don’t like conservative causes (fuji apples). Comparing NPR and Liberty is apples to apples.

  • nacrandell

    “It’s really important to remember that this is money that the students receive, usually have to pay back, and are free to use at any college or university. Liberty is not getting funding directly.”

    Exactly – the student assumes responsibility for the loan, but the institution receives the monies for payment of class and student fees. Remember that the grant or loan would not be issued unless the student was enrolled and requesting monies to pay an institution. Or to put it literaturelly, pardon the pun, the Artful Dodger assumes the risk and Fagin keeps the profits.

  • Juan2X

    Can we say “antithetical” ?

  • arrive2__net

    The way the Carnegie-Mellon software is described here it seems to me that it is more likely to take the place of a textbook than of the professor. 

    It seems as if the C-M software plays a role as equalizer among students, so the less prepared students are able to complete the course along with the more prepared students.  With tuition as high as it is, failing to complete a course is a significant loss of money for the student, as well as a loss of time, so having this kind of resource available to the student could make a big difference.  It seems obvious that the student who needs to make extensive use of the C-M software will have to invest a lot of extra study time to complete the regular course work requirements plus the remedial parts of the software, but the article did not address that.  Perhaps the software is so individualized (or adaptive)  that the student is able to limit his or her software use the truly needed components. 

    I don’t think its unusual for regular college students who feel unprepared for a course to seek additional help through tutoring, self-directed extra studying, consulting with other students, etc. The C-M software could be a major improvement on leaving the individual students to struggle with being under prepared.  Improving completion rates from 41 to 99 percent is major. 

    Where student potential problem areas are predictable and well-defined it seems like that the
    C-M type of software could provide the well-focused help some students may need.

    Bart Schuster
    Arrive2.net
    Twitter.com/arrive2_net

  • kathden

    The project director’s saying the software will allow professors to “teach different things” in the classroom betrays a lack of thought about how one progresses through this kind of technical course (notice: statistics, math, logic, and the like) and the curriculum it’s part of.

    I have occasionally expressed out loud  in my department that logic courses could be made far more philosophical if everyone took a course in propositional logic beforehand (I could then do a single course beginning with the more sophisticated predicate logic, move on to a little modal logic, and present some issues about the limits of logic at the end–and all along have a little more time to discuss “philosophical implications”). But whatever course you are teaching, the major pedagogical problem is that students make progress at different rates. Suppose propositional logic (PropL) is what the software is helping them with, and the slower students are spending (say) three times the total clock-hours working on PropL as the better students. If I introduce different kinds of material in the classroom while they are still in the PropL phase of the course the slower students will feel even more overburdened (because at every moment of that early phase they will be at least a little bit behind the better students, with a lot more work).

    The source of this “problem” is that there is an entire curriculum that you have to work through step by step. That’s why we have earlier courses that are prerequisites for later courses, and why we cover basic materials before we move on to more sophisticated topics.

    It is one thing to give students resources to succeed in what is, for the average student, a well designed course with a reasonable amount of material to be learned. It is another to believe that we can ask them to use those extra resources while taking the course and at the same time packing more material into the course.

  • dirigo1

    Online courses are the inflatable dolls of academia.  They may look nice at a distance, but no matter how much kids contribute, they won’t take much of lasting value away.  They are sterile-minded bureaucrats’ euphemasia instruments, a for-profit cultural execution chamber. 

  • educationfrontlines

    Again, the Chronicle HE title does not reflect the content of the article.
    “College”…singular.

  • acorn

    Agreed. But we’re always telling our teenage kids to get off the phone. We don’t encourage them to spend yet more time talking on the phone precisely because we do want them to interact face-to-face with people and their surroundings. 

  • rlgwau

    One college–Bryn Mawr–is the primary example given, but Paragraph 5 mentions that BW is just one of 36 colleges that will be using the new software.

  • cb_10

    A lot of bad analogies here. Let’s just put it this way: How much lasting value did you think anyone would take away from your post here? For that matter, how much lasting value does someone take from dissertations or journals or writing in general. (And of course the Web consists of far more that that)

    I’m very skeptical of people who make revolutionary claims about online learning replacing the bricks and mortar classroom, but one thing I dearly hope to see the death of soon is this magical idea that academia only works in a face to face courses. Research doesn’t support it, practice doesn’t support it. Certainly there are types of learning that require physical interaction (painting, chem labs,etc.) but not all learning and not all aspects of learning.

    And to compare online classes with inflatable dolls (and a “cultural execution chamber” whatever that would be)? The analogy, like the doll, is full of hot air.

    The real world that students are going to enter is now full of digital resources (including many firmly grounded in the liberal arts – checked your local museum’s Web site lately?). Schools that ignore that reality are not doing their students any favors. Indeed, they are grounding them in a social and professional paradigm that perished well over a decade ago.

  • education4access

    I am pleased to see this decision that is being made by Bryn Mawr.

    E-learning that works well often uses the concept of mastery learning. This sort of learning is designed to help 100% or the students master 70% or more of a course’s instructional material. Print-based mastery learning, combined with interactive discussion oriented tutorial sessions, has proven to be very successful in non-traditional higher education among adults around the world.

    Electronic-based mastery learning combined with face-to-face discussion oriented tutorial sessions also promises to be quite successful. This sort of instruction will achieve the best results when the professor adopts principles of adult education as s/he leads the tutorial discussion.

  • chriskox

    Will anyone discuss the real issue here, the basic skills void for many high school grads?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1315831376 Terry Powell

    I disagree with you. It does not appear as though you have experience with the online learning environment. Online learning is harder, more intense and more compact than one semester within a classroom. My associates was done in a classroom. My bachelors, masters and doctorate degree programs have all been done online. With my working two jobs (teaching at two universities), I would not have been able to complete my degree programs. Also, as a professor for two art universities, I also teach online courses. With one school, I provide live lecture to my students twice a week. Our interaction is live and lectures/demonstrations are all recorded for those who could not attend the live sessions. An on-ground class is at least 10 weeks. Most online courses are condensed into five weeks. The expectations, curriculum and objectives are much higher than either a blended learning environment or that of an on-ground classroom. 

  • mmcferrin1616

    Agreed. And this is where the online courses have value. For a generation raised on a constant diet of technology, a dusty textbook full of remedial math and basic grammar is not a source of motivation. Online developmental courses, especially those that are asynchronous and even self-paced, can provide an engaging way to build those missing skill-sets and retain an otherwise frustrated student. Online education is a tool like so many other educational innovations and should be used with and by professors, not in place of them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1315831376 Terry Powell

     Juan,

    “What” is not ethical?

  • idixon

    Denying reality will not change it. I read the continued dialog about online learning while the demand for educational access continues to grow. Students that are well prepared will flourish in either environment frankly. I have had the good fortune to teach in both settings and the nature of the course, instructor preparation and the tools they have to work with make the difference.

    Online learning is a tool whose time is here and if we continue to resist using it (appropriately) we will continue to seem out of touch to our students and the world. Open our minds and hearts, continue to learn that should be our message.

  • liujuan
  • davidfalcone

       There is another issue here that concerns me.  Take a statistics class.  A university class in statistics does more than pass on skills involving z-scores and regression coefficients and F tests.  It is part of a larger socialization process that results, hopefully, in the honing of a students capacity to get on in a world that is filled with differences, and public struggle and citizenship.  If this sounds misplaced, then consider the students in class who openly take text messages or are totally insensitive to the others close by when they fail to consider their choice of words when talking in public.  And these are the little things.  I wouldn’t be worried if I thought that there would always be a balance of in-class and on-line experiences for our students.  But, unfortunately, there is big money in on-line courses and big savings for most universities in using them.  Unless something changes, we will let the market decide on how we educate our students.  If the market decides … there won’t be much use for the brick and mortar and this, I fear, will come at a great cost. 

  • johnakline

    I see nothing wrong with a computer “taking over some of the basics” as he said. And agree with the poster above that a website or web app or computer application can do a lot more than a text book when it comes to self paced learning and assessment (the non-lecture part of the course). Seems this would be particularly true for Math – which is after all the native tongue of a computer. I know some colleagues who make extensive use of online materials for a traditional face to face class (usually through LMS). For example – using the online platform for testing, threaded discussions, homework, accessing media elements and readings, etc. These are often things we do not have enough time to do in class. If we can use the online space for some of this stuff – we can use the lecture for more exciting stuff. This does not do much for the fact that most people are actually not great lecturers. Should not be a surprise as most of us are not trained in public speaking (or teaching for that matter). And sitting in front of a not-so-great lecturer is probably not the best learning experience. But I digress…

  • ychumanities

    Most parents tell their kids to get off the phone because they want to use that phone themselves!

  • bigyaz

    Sounds like someone did not actually read — or at least comprehend — said article:

    “… that Bryn Mawr and 35 other colleges will be using.”