Last week, a significant change went into effect at the National Science Foundation: The agency will now require researchers to submit data-management plans with their grant proposals.
Open government advocates hailed the move as the latest in a series of steps that are expanding public access to work done with taxpayer money. The policy will not go so far as to mandate public sharing of all data, which in this context could mean anything from glacier images to scientific papers to computer code. But it will “require people to essentially justify why they choose not to be open,” says Beth Noveck, a professor at New York Law School who until recently directed the White House Open Government Initiative.
You can find lots of detailed information about the change at the NSF and the Association of Research Libraries sites. We sat down with a leading data guru, Sayeed Choudhury, to get his take on what the move means for science. Mr. Choudhury, associate dean of university libraries at Johns Hopkins University, heads a project called the Data Conservancy. That effort has an NSF grant to help develop part of the foundation’s ambitious DataNet project, which seeks to build an international, large-scale data-curation network.
Q. What’s your opinion about the NSF’s change?
A. Generally speaking, there is quite a bit to be said for allowing not only other scientists, but the general public to have access to the results of federally funded research. We’ve seen some of that with the NIH PubMed Central (a free archive of life-sciences journals). There have been a couple of cases when we’ve opened up data to what one of the professors here at Hopkins likes to call “Internet scientists.” If you look at Galaxy Zoo, basically what astronomers did is open up access to images from NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope archive. And what they found is that people are much better, quite frankly, at classifying galaxies by looking at images than machines are right now. This may seem like a cute little thing, but it’s not. This is really helpful to professional astronomers for their research. It’s really taken a life of its own, in that the framework people are using, they’re now using for other kinds of science projects. So it really is not only “it’s good for taxpayers.” It actually gets much broader participation in science activities than I think you’d otherwise get. (For more on the rise of crowd science, see this story The Chronicle published last May.)
Q. How big a deal is this?
A. The way a lot of sharing happens now is like sending e-mail to each other. It’s point to point. I may read a paper, I may discover that somebody’s doing this kind of research, or I may know people and contact them. And I think there’s a lot of, “OK, here you go. Here are my files. If you have questions, I can explain it to you.” That’s fine. But I think what we are starting to see is much more distributed. It’s a little bit more like peer-to-peer networks. To me, the ultimate value of preservation of data is that I don’t need to go back to the original producer to figure out how to use it. It becomes much more systematic, rather than idiosyncratic. If that’s the case, then you build this network—it becomes part of the social fabric, rather than this point-to-point e-mail and telephone kind of exchange. I think that’s what’s potentially significant about this. But the devil’s in the details, right? We’ve got a lot of work in order to make it work like that.
Q. What is motivating these changes?
A. I do think the taxpayer issue is an important one. That’s probably the most explicit reason. There are some implicit ones as well, including the idea that if you can actually share data, preserve it, use it in responsible and meaningful ways, then you can get better science out of it. … Some publishers have a policy right now for providing free access to a lot of their journals in least-developed countries. And there’s at least some noise that they were about to change this, or some of them may have changed this. A lot of the counterarguments that have come up are that this is a really bad idea. These countries don’t have a lot of resources. And by getting access to publications, they’re able to get better science, they’re able to deal with public health issues, and so on. And I don’t think it’s any different with data.
The other aspect of this is there’s also the possibility of spurring on reuse outside of the academic or the scientific world. There could be companies that produce services around data, things of that nature that they may not be doing right now. If you think about the weather data, for example, that the National Weather Service produces. But other people use it and repackage it, the Weather Channel and people like that. So there are, in fact, for-profit uses that could come up if you release data into the public. People may be very interested in having visualization tools, for example.
Q. Practically, do you have any sense of what will change? What will we start to see—public repositories of this stuff?
A. We are thinking about where these data will reside. My impression is that there will be a combination of both centralized and decentralized approaches. What I don’t think we want is many, many data sets linked to many, many Web sites. The Web sites may go away. They may not be maintained. They may be personal Web sites rather than institutional Web sites. The data need to be curated … Documents, including even the publications within PubMed Central, are designed to be read by people. Data are born to be processed by machines. And that has very profound implications in terms of how they’re managed and accessed and preserved over time. So that’s a very practical, substantive question that has to be put out there. If we invest a lot of funding in producing new data, we have to invest some amount of funding in actually making sure that the data are preserved and can be used. So beyond that, let’s fast-forward to a world where, in fact, that is happening, and scientists know that in fact they can put their data somewhere, and it’ll be taken care of. Then people start to think about how they can do things in different ways.
We have a researcher within the Data Conservancy, Patricia Romero Lankao, who looks at climate-change research, particularly the social impacts of climate change. She’s been thinking about a whole new type of research that would be possible if you actually were able to bring together data from these different places and run different kinds of analyses. From a science perspective, you start to get people saying, “Well, OK, what if this kind of environment existed? What kinds of questions might I ask that I don’t ask today, because it’s just not practical?”
Q. How do scientists feel about the new requirement?
A. I think it varies. I think you’re going to get reactions all the way from, “I have enough to do, and I have enough documentation to produce,” all the way to, “This is good. This is, in fact, what science is about.” The most common experience that we’ve had so far is they come in the room, and there’s this sense of, “I don’t really know what this is—can you help me?” And we go through the template we’ve gotten, we go through the interview process, and I hope get them to a comfort level where they realize, “OK, I get it now. I understand why this is useful. I understand why it’s important.”




85 Responses to A Digital Library Guru Discusses New Rules on Sharing Scientific Data
johnlaudun - January 31, 2011 at 9:42 am
If we were, like some non-American systems, recognize all forms of scholarship as a form of science — I am thinking here of the humanities — and then to think of making all kinds of data available for all kinds of uses, we would have truly accomplished something. Obviously agreeing upon a set of standards for storage and access will be critical, but once we get that worked out, I can’t wait to see what people — inside the academy or out — begin to do with data.
mjw13 - January 31, 2011 at 1:16 pm
It is precisely because there are commercial applications for National Weather Service data that they’re not freely available to the public. Academics have access to more of their data than the public through a special dispensation.
Libraries have seen this in the past with govt. products like STAT USA (now deceased) and FBIS. Once collected into databases with a mandate to recoup costs, access was restricted to either a librarian logged in secret password, or commercial subscription only.
Tony Zupancic - November 11, 2011 at 3:32 pm
What a dated take on higher education…
rpm13 - November 11, 2011 at 5:41 pm
This is sub-optimal but probably better than the US News rankings on the following basis. When predictors are unreliable, adding more of them as US News does reduces the reliability of the aggregate. Because the criterion, the quality or value of an entire institution, is so fuzzy, reliable predictors won’t be found. So the fewer the better. Zero would be optimal.
blue_state_academic - November 11, 2011 at 6:42 pm
I would have expected this ranking in The Onion, not Kiplinger. And how does a high yield or low admit equate to “best value”?
darccity - November 11, 2011 at 7:08 pm
The hilarious part of all this is that USNews has steadily reduced the weight of acceptance rate (it’s only 5%!) and utterly removed yield rate from their ranking calculations. Yet we profs, administrators, and admissions folks uniformly trash USNews rankings as nothing but a grubby status ranking! In fact, the U.S. college cartel is guilty of the worst possible hypocrisy, because we are SOLELY to blame for how horrible USNews rankings are.
Why do you think that USNews rankings have to use mostly “input” metrics (quality of entering students, student faculty ratios, class sizes, academic reps of faculty, etc.)??? The fault lies in ourselves. Universities refuse to report or even measure learning outcomes (and few of the top ranked even participate in NSSE student engagement surveys of the learning process). USNews is actually the messenger and even the hero! Without USNews’ threat to allow nonreporting schools to fall in rank, comparable data on those few input measures would never have become available.
Imagine, a la John Lennon, universities where superficial landscaping and architectural “packaging” were not used to disguise a learning-free environment. Imagine an admissions office required to inform potential applicants about how their college compared in student engagement, learning outcomes, and employer satisfaction with their alumni. Fortunately, accreditation is now requiring relevant metrics to be collected and consistently be improved each year. Too bad this info never is made public. I still have hope that U.S. higher education will someday function as well as society believes it does.
rpm13 - November 12, 2011 at 12:33 am
Darccity wrote: “Why do you think that USNews rankings have to use mostly “input” metrics (quality of entering students, student faculty ratios, class sizes, academic reps of faculty, etc.)??? ”
Because no one has yet conceived of, let alone devised, measures of outcomes that can meaningfully compare Harvard and Chicago State on the same metric unconfounded by input variables.
darccity - November 12, 2011 at 9:20 am
Isn’t that convenient? Also untrue. You test students when they enter and when they graduate. The latest surveys reveal that students haven’t developed their analytical ability after 2 or even 4 years of college. Accreditors are requiring detailed, measurable and specific learning outcomes, so according to you these must be worthless. They’re not!
How does one play a villain in a play? Not as Snidely Whiplash tying fair damsels to the railroad tracks. In the bad guy’s mind, he is merely misunderstood and making the best of a bad situation. If you are not with us, then at least don’t block up the doorway.
rpm13 - November 12, 2011 at 11:31 am
You’re right. Objectives must be specific to be measurable. With proper psychometrics they are extremely useful for within-student comparisons when the objectives are specific, known ahead of time, and agreed on by faculty and students, as in a well-designed course. Outcome measures are worthless for ranking entire institutions with diverse inputs and objectives.
Who’s “us”? For my part, I spent a good part of my career promoting the use of measurable objectives.
Carl Ahlgren - November 12, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Thanks Eric for another very helpful piece. As many of us know too well, admission and yield rates are among the easiest metrics to manipulate. Admission rate is simply a consequence of increasing applications, which can be had in all kinds of ways that have nothing to do with a quality program or meaningful desirability. A better yield is accomplished easily by admitting more through ED, or by identifying those applicants who have little interest in attending, which is much easier to do that many might realize. And, THESE are the very schools whose yield is somewhat guaranteed, by way of established prestige. Congratulations, Kiplinger, on rewarding the already rewarded. For 20 years I have taught at schools with wonderful students who have these very ambitions. The paradox is that if bright students would aspire to the very best undergraduate EDUCATION they could get, rather than the very best CREDENTIAL, they would be virtually guaranteed the prestige they think they need. Students whose aspiration is defined by the values Kiplinger trumpets are invariably weaker applicants at these schools, than students who are hungry for a superb liberal arts education. It is a pity.
Carl Ahlgren
markneustadt - November 14, 2011 at 8:02 am
Of course you are right to point out the utter inanity of this list. At the same time, virtually everyone in the higher ed community (except admissions officers and presidents) tends to downplay the extent to which precisely this thinking drives college choice in the prestige category. Consumers reason that selectivity and yield are valid measures of value. If institution A is more selective than institution B that means that it is more desirable and will therefore be a better investment. It’s okay to scoff, but institutions in the prestige category ignore this mindset at their peril. Indeed, many of them game the system to increase these two metrics.
jamesebryan - November 14, 2011 at 12:58 pm
The thing that always strikes me as inane about these rankings is they seem to promote the notion that the totality of a university is equally valuable to all its graduates. If you go to the most prestigious university in the world but studied in the one department there that is a total dud, you did not receive the world’s best education, and would have been better off studying someplace that is generally respectable but stellar in your field.
pbherr - November 15, 2011 at 9:01 pm
You’re (as usual) so right, Carl. I thoroughly enjoyed the stupidity of this wonderful assessment by Kiplinger. Being that they are truly a giant in the higher ed community, I will value this thoughtful and completely accurate accounting of best values for years to come (or until they reveal an equally absurd waste of journalistic nonsense next year).
11182967 - February 13, 2012 at 5:00 pm
There is still a market, I suspect, for writers willing to pen such letters for others to send, or even to speak directly on their behalf. I got the part of Cyrano on stage as a senior in high school in part because I had been known for polishing up the sweet nothings of classmates–the Abe Burows of love notes. But more than the words themselves, the decline of love letters has probably been a consequence of the decline of penmanship. These days hardly anyone (myself included) can “write a good hand,” and a typed love letter, even converted to a fancy font, just won’t do. Even in those old high school days when guys copied my suggestions in their own handwriting for authenticity they were often so struck by the disjuncture between the sentiments and penmanship that they couldn’t go through with sending the note. I did make sure I got my dollar first.
yaomeigei - March 28, 2012 at 5:09 pm
civility can be welcome and friendly, however, if we make it too excessively, it could be a sort of eyesore.
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dank48 - March 29, 2012 at 9:00 am
It seems to me that many confuse civility with servility. I think you’re on target with the reference to deference (rhyme unintentional): it’s a tricky business to acknowledge the rights of others while maintaining one’s own, but civilization seems to me worth the effort to treat others as we want to be treated. And of course, there’s that matter of enforcement.
gwwyo04 - March 29, 2012 at 10:19 am
I wonder if it’s a question of competition. With so many sources of communication inundating our lives, the only way to get noticed or heard is to be more outrageous than the last person. I don’t know what to do about it, but that may explain the source of some of the incivility.
12080243 - March 29, 2012 at 11:34 am
Well done, Mr. Thrift.
“Civility without deference” is an instructive summary. One of your many ideas worthy of extensive discussion is: “The problem for universities is that they were set up precisely to attempt to debate without anger and to respect others’ differing opinions about complex issues with the intention of generating better questions, not simple answers.”
My university failed. Friends at other institutions have experienced similar failures at their schools. I have documented a few failures in my research that originally started with opportunities for our university community to debate important issues that came to the attention of colleagues. They were fired or chased off. I’m married to an excellent, tough attorney who protected me from the wrath of intolerant administrators and their ally colleagues. They were supported, for all practical purposes, with the unlimited resources of the Institutions of Higher Learning, State of Mississippi. They spent approximately $2,500,000 to fire me. They failed.
Therefore, I have a continuing right to speak and write without fear and in a civil manner without deference. That privilege was earned, not granted by the University of Southern Mississippi. Thanks to my courageous wife and friends I am still a tenured full professor at the University of Southern Mississippi. Has the school learned civility without the insistence of deference from faculty? No.
If you are interested in details of the incivility and intolerance of the University of Southern Mississippi we reported in our research projects, see: Chauncey M. DePree, Jr., DBA (Accounting with a minor in Logic and Ethics), Professor, School of Accountancy, College of Business, University of Southern Mississippi. Recent academic research: http://ssrn.com/author=397169; Novels found at Amazon: Rufus McCoy and Profiteers in the Ivory Tower, and TobaccoPharm, A Divine and Deadly Green Factory. Editor, http://www.usmnews.net
betterschool - March 29, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Enjoyable read. Thanks.
I think the behavioral sciences have a seat at this table.
If the goals pertain to communications, understanding and accommodating diverging perspectives, arriving at a fully informed position, problem anticipation, problem solving, and the like, civil discourse facilitates all of the above better than combative, hostile, or disrespectful discourse. Sometimes it achieves outcomes in contrast to the alternative of paralysis and gridlock.
Put differently, considerable and largely unchallenged evidence suggests that it is in everyone’s interest to be civil. (Recall the long string of psychological and sociological experiments beginning with the Bell Labs in the 1950′s.)
I am less concerned with he possibility of an isolated case of servility than about polarization and zero sum outcomes. We could begin the process of strengthening our leadership role by examining Chronicle posts.
madamesmartypants - March 29, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Is civility really breaking down, or is discourse only disrespectful when women and minorities speak? I am reminded of an outburst during one of Obama’s speeches. To my knowledge, that has not happened to a white president since perhaps the 1800s (when debates at the national level were much less sedate affairs). With regards to Fluke’s testimony, Limbaugh’s attack on her was not just disrespectful but virulently misogynist. It seems to me that disrespectful speech is just another way to silence traditionally disenfranchised people.
Ipsmick - March 30, 2012 at 2:44 am
This is on the nail: it boils down to being polite, understanding that others have views, listening and responding properly. The anger, as exemplified by Limbaugh, can appear synptomatic of a rush away from enlightenment into a kind of anti-rational dark age. Indeed, there appears in general to be a move away from reason: think of the necessity to be a religious fundamentalist to appear a credible presidential candidate in the US. It’s interesting, in this light, that the culture of research assessment, quality assurance, league tables is driving British universities away from the ideal of being disinterestedly civil places, because built into it is competitiveness, antagonism. Few now in England certainly (Scotland and Wales would be different), would dare to articulate the notion that scholarship is worth doing because it’s worth doing, for this signals our having atttained a civilised and civil society.
betterschool - March 30, 2012 at 11:19 am
I don’t have any hard data but it seems like quite a stretch to turn this into a racist or feminist issue. Virtually all of the churlish public behavior has been generated by extremists on both sides toward the other side. As an example, Limbaugh’s attack on Fluke would constitute perhaps 1% of his monthly quota of meanspirited behavior, most of it directed at president Obama and other Democrats and liberals, only a few of whom are female. Ditto for the many examples that come to mind in Congress. I don’t doubt that closet racism accounts for some of the whacko emails that are distributed against Obama but the ideologues are going after the ideology, not the race. You need only look back on the shamefully impolite way many CHE posters behaved with respect to president Bush to see an example on the other side.
theatheist - March 30, 2012 at 2:15 pm
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A current of rumbustious debate has been a constant in Western history and there is nothing inherently wrong with it or with the general exercise of rhetoric in pursuit of a cause or opinion. But perhaps the disappointment is greater now because we like to think we have somehow become more sophisticated.
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It may even be true that every generation thinks it has "become more sophisticated," such that we are constantly disappointed.
The Internet (I'm thinking of comments on Yahoo news stories) just makes visible what used to be easier to ignore. That the rules of etiquette exist for a reason. Civility is not, for the most part, in our nature. It is a set of skills that must be learned over and over again.
studentteacher - March 31, 2012 at 5:29 pm
For example, these comments: http://chronicle.com/article/Preventing-Suicide-May-Mean/131291/
jefftylerpmp - April 4, 2012 at 4:34 pm
An excellent discourse. We all need to be reminded of this. Thank you.
lootdude - April 8, 2012 at 4:00 am
well, teenagers nowadays are not so polite, they smoke in the public place, talk dirty in school and play world of warcraft, buy wow gold paypal from lootdude, hang around with prostitude, they are bad now
whodat - April 8, 2012 at 9:57 am
Check out this You Tube video where a University head instructs his faculty, who have recently survived a round of devastating earthquakes (losing homes, loved ones, etc) to tattle on one another to aid management in deciding who to fire. Shocking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV2ycZDHo4I
Zoran - May 17, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Or like Obama…
munibond - May 17, 2012 at 8:45 pm
The spreadsheet referred to in the article is here: http://emergence.org/Deacon-Juarrero.pdf
Deacon wrote me the following:
Michael,
As of yesterday I had resolved never to again reply to your emails. But given your last email I have broken this resolution. Indeed, I very much want to engage in close discussion with these other scholars working along very similar lines. Both our various points of theoretical agreement and disagreement are likely to be illuminative. I am indeed embarrassed that Evan’s and Alicia’s books were not known to me at the time of writing, but you can be sure that as I become informed by them I will of course both cite them and make appropriate assignments of priority in all future works (including future editions of Incomplete Nature). Parenthetically, I should say that Mark Graves (and you will find others) participated regularly in discussions with me, sat in on my seminar on the topic many years ago, and has used my approach centrally in his (though I have only superficially skimmed his book as of now). I consider him a colleague. That being said, I think that I will find it difficult to have any direct scholarly association with you (and probably Alicia), given what has transpired, but I will at least read Alicia’s work and make a good faith effort to give her credit where due. Perhaps the passage of time will change this, perhaps not.
Sincerely, Terry
munibond - May 17, 2012 at 8:49 pm
I further note that Deacon’s citations stop in 2005 except for references to his own work (which seems strange for a book published at the end of 2011) and that Deacon and Juarrero were both keynotes at a 2007 conference in Cancun where Deacon was observed attending Juarrero’s talk.
Senior academics have a responsibility to properly cite the works of others and to be aware of the efforts of others whose research and writing addresses their own. The example Deacon sets is that negligence, sloppiness, and perhaps deliberate ignorance are proper scholarship. UC Berkeley should be ashamed of setting such an example.
marianag - May 17, 2012 at 9:26 pm
For additional entertainment, read the piece titled Precursors and
Prototypes under the Selected Publications tab in http://www.aliciajuarrero.com
and then read “Eliminativism,Complexity, and Emergence” by Terrence
Deacon and Tyrone Cashman (available online).
munibond - May 17, 2012 at 9:33 pm
For a picture of Deacon and Juarrero sitting together at a conference in Cancun see
http://isce.edu/speakers-at-ctns-stars-mtg-jan-2007.jpg
munibond - May 18, 2012 at 3:02 am
it is “a detailed spreadsheet of apparent similarities between the structure of the arguments in the two books and the examples used to make those arguments.” It is NOT a list of “quotes”. In the aggregate the similarities of argument demand recognition. See the McGinn piece http://emergence.org/NYRBARTICLE.pdf Only the commenter ipso-facto has used the “p” word.
munibond - May 18, 2012 at 7:57 am
Deacon posted more at http://deadvoles.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/deacon-and-oop/#comment-4012
I have been directed to your blog by a colleague who noticed the comments about my book and Juarrero’s spreadsheet. This is a nasty business in which Juarrero is spreading false claims suggesting that I have used her ideas without attribution. I have not. I urge you to read both books, and you will see this for yourself. Although there are indeed superficial similarities, as inevitably occurs in an area of such intense intellectual discussion, these are ultimately quite superficial. I have only recently come to read her book and her one paper on Kant in response to her tirade about not being cited, and it is now clear that I disagree with her approach in far more ways than we agree. This is not just because she is a philosopher and I am a lab scientist by training. I think that we are fundamentally driving at very different ways of explaining almost every aspect covered in my book: life, mind, sentience, consciousness, information, work, and so forth, even though we both borrow insights from dynamical systems theories and share a criticism of simple eliminative materialism. Nevertheless, once you overcome the accusatory hype of her spreadsheet and actually do compare these two approaches the differences can be quite informative and worth debating.
pianiste - May 18, 2012 at 8:43 am
“…a conference in Cancun“. Gotta love it.
westernfields - May 18, 2012 at 10:27 am
Ignoratio Elenchi.
westernfields - May 18, 2012 at 10:51 am
munibond: I am wondering what your investment in this article is (or, more accurately, your stake in the various pieces of literature and/or ideas); up to this point you have contributed nearly 40% of the posts.
westernfields - May 18, 2012 at 11:31 am
Thanks. Since I have not read any of the books I cannot speak to the alleged overlap. But your supposed communication with him addressing the lack of citation(s) certainly makes his originality of thought suspect. At the same time, the force behind your aggression toward this issue is revealed by the proximity you have with the other(s) involved, thereby making your perspective a little less objective.
Socratease2 - May 18, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Suppedisne?
The character and honesty of perhaps the next president is of great relevance, far more than the petty stakes brought up in this blog.The answer to your question would be “lying,” that is the connection
between my comment and the blog. I didn’t realize this fluff forum had
a “dress code” requiring relevancy. Do you read these comments often? I did not find the blog of much
interest in the first place, it is an academic pissing contest of no
relevance outside the egos of those involved.
Interesting….you decry ad hominem attacks but then engage in the same acts yourself. So I guess you have a self-inflicted rhetorical wound, sounds painful. Is there a latin phrase for that?
And you respond to people asking why they have contributed 40% of the posts (you calculated?) and that is meant to be a “substantive comment” on the topic at hand? Ignoratio Elenchi, yourself, you will be using it a lot in the CHE.
westernfields - May 18, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Holy smokes! Let’s start a pissing-into-the-wind contest and see who can get the other the wettest. First, if you want to use the standard of using any word to devolve into any topic you want, then talking with a schizophrenic would be more productive (not a personal attack. Seriously, if talking with you means that you take anything said and rabbit trail it into a discussion about whatever in the hell is on your mind, then there is no purpose to the conversation). Second, my question elicited why the poster (munibond) was pursuing this blog so aggressively. He seemed to have a vested interest in showing/proving that T. Deacon had engaged in intellectual dishonesty, so I simply asked. Guess what, it was more productive then your snide political drive-by hack job. By learning it was one of his colleagues he was advocating for, I better understood the emotion behind each of his posts; to some degree giving him greater merit and in other areas less so. His postings also helped expand the details that were not shared in the blog.
My reference to you being a typical drone is not a personal attack. It is, in my estimation, a matter of fact — your talking points are recycled comments entertained by all Obama supporters. Which leads me to wonder how you are going to bend this post into a discussion on the Mayan Calendar and how a Romney victory will usher in the great apocalypse…
katisumas - May 18, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Sorry but I don’t care much about the mutual arguments over what seems to be pretty much inconsequential matters but I love the name of your institute for the “Study of Coherence and Emergence”. How are emergence and coherence linked to human experience? Or do they just pertain to botany? Please forgive my ignorance, I’m just a mere semiotician looking at signs as standing for something….
munibond - May 18, 2012 at 11:05 pm
katisumas
We study social complexity theory — applications of the study of complex systems involving people. To paraphrase Edgar Morin: Complexity occurs when previously separate elements are organized into something new (eg a family, a firm, a group etc). The something new is emergent (and is thus something more than just the sum of the parts). But, if the something new is to maintain its coherence then each of the previously discrete parts must give up some of its previous degrees of freedom (so the complex is both more and less than the some of the parts.) The more is the emergent and is a product of enabling constraints. The less occurs for the sake of coherence and is a product of restrictive constraints. (Note the constraints language comes from Juarrero and the main point from Morin — unlike Deacon I cite my sources)
Adam Dickes - May 19, 2012 at 3:15 am
Well, this is a difficult one. To begin with it seems that most of the comments come from people who are either totally uninformed or deeply partisan. I’m not an expert in the field, but I have read both and Deacon’s and Juarerro’s books and I have no axe to grind (honest!).
Part of problem, I think, comes from the promotional jacket of Incomplete Nature, which promises – as they all seem to these days – a revolutionary and original synthesis of ideas etc etc. and a bunch of testimonials from respected academics in complexity, such as Stuart Kauffman . But here’s the problem: it’s not. Really. That’s not to say it isn’t a really good synthesis, because it is. It collects a lot of ideas from complexity theory, and from other places as well (ahem, I think the ideas of Mary Midgely were also apparent early in the piece, but they weren’t credited either) and brings them together as a beautifully presented argument.
If you read one book after the other, which I did, then it is pretty clear to me that one of them is a tentative, difficult to read exploration into uncharted waters which breaks new ground, while the other is a reflective overview of those same ideas.
I hate to say this, because Deacon’s thought, his writing, and his erudition all shine forth in his prose, and his book is a far more considered and balanced piece of work than the one it resembles so much. It fleshes out Juarerro’s ideas, extends them, and places them into a wider context. But, at its core, this is not an original book at all. Take away Midgely and Juarerro (and perhaps others I’m not aware of) and there isn’t much left that hasn’t been said many times before by various philosophers.
It could be a coincidence of course, but the sheer – and almost brutal - originality of Juarerro’s ideas indicates that this is unlikely to be the case.
So Incomplete Nature is a pop science book, a really good one, that should have made its sources of inspiration clearer, giving credit where it is due.
richardtaborgreene - May 19, 2012 at 6:08 am
Failure to know sources and failure to find sources and failure to cite sources–laziness, laziness or incompetence, and evil self aggrandisement and dishonesty—are the beginning flaws that our best colleges develop into full-blown massive historic scale theft—2008 by MBAs on Wall Street disproportionately educated at top 3 colleges of business. A few more peccaddildos and this guy will qualify for chairman of Goldman Sacks (mis-spelling intended).
corwinamber - May 19, 2012 at 7:05 am
Without having read any of these books, can I ask if any of them cite Douglas Hofstader’s work on how mind emerges from matter? I will quote a brief Wikipedia entry below. I mention this because of two things: (1.) In some fields, I have been reading widely enough for so long that I may myself no longer remember when or if I first thought of an idea, as opposed to running across it somewhere in the work of someone else — there can be a genuine failure to recall the source of an idea [And are there really any new ideas?]. (2.) Is it Carl Becker who spoke of “climates of opinion” in history? I seem to recall my late father talking about that growing up, and this debate over originality and authorship could reflect a climate of opinion in related fields where instant Internet information makes the spread of ideas becoming memes. It may not excuse an incomplete literature search, but given the editorial delays between submitting a MS and getting the book out, there may be an explanation for that as well. :
“I Am a Strange Loop is a 2007 book by Douglas Hofstadter, examining in depth the concept of a strange loop originally developed in his 1979 book Gödel, Escher, Bach.
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In the end, we are self-perceiving, self-inventing, locked-in mirages that are little miracles of self-reference.
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speakersbenefit - May 19, 2012 at 8:02 am
It seems as though a challenge has been set: can an idea be found in DIA which was first written about by someone else and not attributed? A lot rests on the claim in a prior comment as to the “almost brutal originality of Juarrero’s ideas.” This sound like hyperbole (and in fact a quick search of the OED indicates so, “Brutal (hyperbolical): extremely demanding of difficult.”)
Is it correct?
Adam Dickes - May 19, 2012 at 8:12 am
Some ideas only become possible when a larger structure is available to support them. This concept was first proposed (as far as I know) in the twenties by Vygotsky as Theory Scaffolding. Since then, it’s been adapted to biology and culture with the Adjacent Possible hypothesis, which came about when people noticed how many inventions and discoveries appeared simultaneously from independent researchers around the world. Basically, according to this theory, as soon as the pre-requisites exist, biological and conceptual innovations (such as flight or differential calculus) spontaneously emerge from the recombination of previous structures or ideas. Ironically, this is concept deeply related to complexity theory, which is the concern of Deacon’s book (and Hoefstaeder’s too).
While this nicely explains how scientific progress is really dependent on the academic community and not just the trail blazers, it doesn’t, in my opinion, get Deacon off the hook. When it coes to really new concepts, it seems to me that something really special happens, over and above the inevitable recombination of old ideas. Sometimes our conceptual understanding becomes static and unable to proceed, and only someone who can innovate in a truly idiosyncratic manner is able to show the way forward. Hofstaeder certainly did this in GEB, Juarerro did it again in Dynamics in Action. While their ideas are related, they are both truly original (and that goes for Strange Loops too). Unfortunately, the same can’t be said for Terence Deacon.
munibond - May 19, 2012 at 8:13 am
speakersbenefit
if it were only one or two or even three or four “ideas” there would be no issue. It is the entire structure and pattern of Deacon’s argument and the examples he uses to back them up. It is the equivalent of having seen an old movie more than a dozen times and then magically writing your own script which seems to have the same plot and funny the same visual clues why my goodness even some of the music in the background happens to coincide at similar points in the plot. But of course despite having seen the old movie many times when asked you claim that all the thoughts were original and that any resemblances were superficial after all that movie was about WASPY housewives in Connecticut and your movie was about stressed out soccer moms in Silicon Valley. That may be an acceptable argument in Hollywood but it is completely lacking in academic integrity.
even if you leave out Juarrero there is still the issues of Thompson and Mark Graves (funny since Graves was a colleague of Deacon’s who sat in on many a Deacon seminar that Deacon would have never had the intellectual curiosity to even open Graves’ 2008 book never mind cite it) or Nancy Murphy’s 2010 book which refers to the 2007 conference presentations by both Juarrero and Deacon or the total lack of references after 2005 (excepting himself) in a book written and published in 2011
Berkeley has claimed it has high standards for academic integrity — unfortunately those standards are NOT embodied in the behavior of its chairman of the Anthropology department
munibond - May 19, 2012 at 8:21 am
I return to my original suggestion (made in January) of how to make this “mess” better:
Berkeley needs to hold a symposium where Deacon, Juarrero, and Thompson (and perhaps Graves and Murphy) are all given opportunities to present and then they have a roundtable
the event would be a very fruitful discussion of commonalities and differences and a properly cited academic monograph can result
we all would be much better off from the resulting dialogue and learning and this “mess” can go down as “an unfortunate but seemingly necessary” step along the research path
so Berkeley when can we have such an event?
DF - May 19, 2012 at 7:15 pm
At least Obama recalls giving that girl a shove in high school. Remembered bullying is so much better, right?
DF - May 19, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Right after a session on the obvious plagiarism in Martin Luther King’s dissertation.
munibond - May 19, 2012 at 7:31 pm
DF
academic integrity seems to be getting the short shrift in your world
It is really quite simple. Regardless of whether Deacon intentionally “borrowed” or not at best he was lazy or sloppy in looking at literature which he should have looked at IN THE NAME OF HIS OWN INTEGRITY before publishing an academic work. Lazy, negligent or deliberate ends up in the same place — his work is FALSELY taking credit for ORIGINATING ideas which began with the work of others. Deacon has every right to claim that he “built upon” those ideas. If he wants claim to have been ignorant of them at the time of writing he surely is not ignorant of them now. So give Juarrero, Thompson, Graves and Murphy their due acknowledgement.
This “affair” is only “messy” because Deacon refuses to even acknowledge that the others’ work SHOULD HAVE BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED and for whatever reason was not. The “great man” is unwilling to acknowledge error and instead is claiming that it is he who is hurt by the fuss being raised.
It is very similar to Bill Clinton lying to the country about Monica Lewinsky and then refusing to admit that he made a mistake. That seemed to require getting impeached and putting the country through a huge trauma when a simple apology would have sufficed.
Those who are “defending” Deacon should give pause to think about what their position says about academic integrity and about the idea of generosity of spirit. Clearly hubris seems to be rearing its ugly head when a bit of humility would work much much better.
ajuarrero - May 20, 2012 at 8:26 am
I’ve preferred to allow a close reading of the two books and the spreadsheet to speak for themselves, but since speakersbenefit lays out this challenge, I’ll be the first to answer it. Two books I should have been aware of when I wrote Dynamics in Action: Robert Rosen’s Anticipatory Systems and especially Scott Kelso’s Dynamic Patterns. Mea culpa again to Scott (I told him as much in person in Antwerp many years ago).
munibond - May 20, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Jerry Fodor chimes in via the London Review of Books see http://emergence.org/Fodor-Deacon-LRB.pdf
munibond - May 20, 2012 at 2:40 pm
In response to the many people who have contacted me to ask here is the original Lissack-Deacon correspondence of January 24 2012:
From Lissack to Deacon:
Terry
It has been a long time since we met in person (Esalen 2003). I just finished reading Incomplete Nature: How Mind Emerged from Matter and while the work is impressive, I found some patterns in it very disturbing.
To be rather blunt to my eye it appears that you have made extensive use of the works of Alicia Juarrero and Evan Thompson without the appropriate attribution. Entire passages in your book follow the same argumentation line Juarrero employed in Dynamics in Action and Thompson used in Between Ourselves. I must remind you that I handed out copies of Dynamics in Action while at the Esalen meeting and discussed it and Between Ourselves rather extensively with both you and Evan while we were at Esalen together. Perhaps the interval of 7-8 years meant that you retained only the highlights of those discussions but those very highlights seem integral to your argument in Incomplete Nature.
Given my deep respect for your work, I was rather shocked to discover that you would somehow appropriate the works of these two scholars and represent it without acknowledgement or attribution. I recognize that in many societies imitation is the highest form of flattery but in senior academic circles this kind of use without credit is more tantamount to theft than to flattery. At a minimum it appears that your research assistants have failed to consult the web to check on your sourcing. At worst the work gives the appearance of seeking to improperly benefit from the impressive work of others.
Our joint attendance at Esalen is a matter of public record. My heavy promotion of Juarrero’s work at that time is also a matter of easy documentation. Your access to Evan at the conference is also a matter of public record.
I would strongly urge you to revisit your notes and to run some simple plagiarism checks comparing your book to the other two. That you have NOT quoted line by line without citation is easily shown but so too are the deep parallels between your work and the works of the other two.
As a senior scholar I would have hoped that you would have found it within yourself to both acknowledge your sources and to celebrate the use you have been able to make of Alicia and Evan’s work.
Attribution and dialogue are sorely needed now.
Deacon’s response:
Dear Michael Lissack,
I do not know your motives, but I find this to be a remarkably viciousattack, that I obviously can’t let stand, especially now that you haveattempted to damage my career in this way. The accusations you make haveno basis in truth. I have never read Juarraro’s book and have only juststarted reading Evan’s most recent book (only a few pages in) and didn’tknow his other book that you cite. Indeed, I just purchased Evan’s recentbook and Juarraro’s book from Amazon. I don’t doubt that there may becertain parallels, but I expect that they are superficial or else widelyshared. I have developed this work with constant back and forthdiscussions with a very wide body of colleagues around the world over thecourse of a decade, and have presented these ideas in various states ofdevelopment at innumerable meetings since shortly after my book TheSymbolic Species was published. All who have ever worked with me will, Iam certain, vouch for my academic integrity and intellectual independence.Also, since there were others at the Esalen meeting you cite who have alsofollowed the development of my work before and after that meeting, I amsure that they can also assure you that there was little that I havedirectly borrowed from works presented there. Indeed, I presentedsignificant parts of the theory laid out in my book at that meeting,material which apparently you have not remembered. You have now made thischarge in a way that is clearly aimed at damaging my intellectualreputation and my career. And you have done so without directly contactingme first or checking with others about the facts. I don’t know whatrecourse you leave me but to defend my honor using what resources I haveavailable to me.
Sincerely, Terrence Deacon
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vanandel - May 21, 2012 at 7:22 am
And what would you prefer that he do now? Should he remain silent and let the work stand?
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Baloney Dr. Spitzer, no “scientific” research. The gay community forced the APA brass to drop the Homosexuality diagnosis. The occasion was the 1973 APA convention in San Francisco: the gay community got control of the convention site infrastructure and and demanded the APA drop the homosexual diagnosis or else no convention. The APA brass complied immediately. Nothing “scientific”, but political force.
More to be done with the rest of the APA 300 plus ”scientific” diagnosis!!!
anon1972 - May 21, 2012 at 7:39 am
No, but he needs to understand — and probably does — that his ‘mea culpa’ will not automatically allow people to forgive and forget the damage his work caused.
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11182967 - May 21, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Bad research–whether careless or poorly designed or intentionally misrepresented or faked–cannot be totally prevented. But it can be kept from publication by knowledgeable and careful peer review. From the description of the research here–no comparison group, no replication, no control for veracity–it seems remarkable that the “research” was published at all. Good for Spitzer that he now apologizes, but what about the journal’s role? And has there also been a history–as there should be–of direct challenge to the original article? This seems to be primarily a failure of a research community to appropriately vet and challenge bad research.
panacea - May 21, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Please prove that statement.
borso - May 21, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Archives of Sexual Behavior, Volume 32, Number 5, October 2003 , pp. 419-468 has an extensive range of peer responses to the paper in the same issue, followed by a response. Peer review in public?
m_ryall - May 21, 2012 at 2:10 pm
I agree with anon1972. The apology is accepted, It’s fitting, appropriate, and overdue. But Spitzer should not expect us to hold a parade for him. His work speaks for itself and the apology is a footnote.
woodstock - May 21, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Here are few references, plenty more in the Internet.
http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/HRC/exhibition/stage/stage_21.htmlhttp://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/homosexual-activists-intimidate-american-psychiatric-association-into-removing-homosexuality-from-list-of-disorders/http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/204/81-wordshttp://www.glreview.com/article.php?articleid=1220
woodstock - May 21, 2012 at 3:18 pm
http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/homosexual-activists-intimidate-american-psychiatric-association-into-removing-homosexuality-from-list-of-disorders/
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/204/81-words
http://www.glreview.com/article.php?articleid=1220
11182967 - May 21, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Thanks, Borso. This journal isn’t one of those that, like Jay Leno, I’d refer to as “my Bible.” So if there was substantial–and I presume mixed, at the least–reponse at the time, the question would be why the article came to be influential, at least to a particular audience. The answer to that is pretty obvious, of course.
What’s disturbing about the larger story is the way in which it reflects many Americans’ fundamental misunderstanding of how science works. While scientists recognize that much (virtually all social) science is statistical, non-scientists run around claiming that anything which is not 100% “proved” is essentially unproved. Which is then interpreted to mean, ironcially, that any one research result, no matter how wacky, can be seen as “just as good as” any other: nothing is certain, ipso facto, everything is equally (un)certain.
lross1 - May 21, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Woodstock, I’ve read the sources you cite, and they don’t support your statements. You seem to be confusing the disruptions that took place at the 1970 APA convention in San Francisco and the non-disruptive events that took place at the 1973 APA convention in Honolulu. There is no reference in any of your sources to any attempt to shut down or otherwise interfere with the 1973 convention. The segment from “This American Life” seemed to be the most detailed and even-handed account of the 1973 events.
rt_firefly - May 21, 2012 at 6:24 pm
What emerges as really disturbing to me is that the collection of peer commentaries does a fairly decent job of dismissing the study (to that extent the journal did some due diligence), but this was obviously ignored by the usual suspects, including (I assume) the pop press.
For example, it didn’t take long to find a methodological critique by Helena Carlson that pointed out that: “… this is a population of highly religious, White, Protestant, middle aged, and middle class men and women. There is little evidence that they are representative of a diverse gay community.”This is a pretty basic demonstration of what happens when people don’t do their homework – either willfully or negligently, or just flat out distort the facts. And it happens all the time.
mawickline - May 21, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Time marches on. I, for one, am grateful that Dr. Spitzer had the grace to do this.
Robert Oscar Lopez - May 21, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I’m bisexual and don’t feel like I need to apologize to anyone. Straights need to accept that I’ll always find men attractive. Homosexuals need to accept that I have a choice and they can’t cure me of women by saying I’m in denial. It’s shocking how crude the level of discussion is especially from my gay supposed allies.
susansingh - May 21, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Plagiarism is no excuse when all you have to do is be honest. However, how many times have individuals come up with words that they honestly thought were really their own? No one is perfect.
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Adam Dickes - May 22, 2012 at 12:14 am
Watch out straw men, Jerry is on the attack again!
pianiste - May 22, 2012 at 4:08 pm
“Homosexuals need to accept that I have a choice and they can’t cure me of women by saying I’m in denial.”
Professor Lopez has, on CHE blogs, a longstanding and severe tic about gay activists who believe that one’s sexual orientation (and not, mind you, “preference”) is innate being somehow the cause of a lot of the misery of gays. The overturning, under their pressure, if DADT in the military is an example he gives. He seems to think that one has a “choice” not only in one’s sexual deeds, but in one’s sexual attractions; he apparently chooses to be sexually attracted to women as well as to men.
The civil rights of gays can be, and often are, truncated by the “choice” argument, i.e., if they “choose” to be gay, then they–perhaps with the help of psychiatric and/or religious counseling–could become able to choose not to be gay, and thereby not commit the sins (often said to be crimes) that get them in trouble.
I think that with most people, this kind of alleged “choice” is a lot of
poppycock, and I’d like to see if Professor Lopez, or anybody who
agrees with him, would care to explore the logic of his apparently
choosing his sexual orientation. For instance, a good many of Professor Lopez’s politically conservative and Christian cohort, believe that bisexuality is as bad, if not worse (especially if one is a married parent) than simple homosexuality, so I’m curious how Professor Lopez would square his “choosing” to be bisexual (he says, “I have a choice”) with others who share his political and religious, um, preferences.
polonius_p_angloss - May 22, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Cheers to both sides for conducting a fact-based argument.
To recap: a claim was made. A challenge was issued. Citations were requested and links were supplied. Those links were read, analyzed, and responded to. Informed discussion being scarcer than unobtanium today, I feel compelled to draw attention and praise to even this one small but perfect example. Kudos!
jefischman - May 23, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Thank you for your comments on the role of scientific apologies and journal retractions in correcting science. I left out another important example of a mea culpa: James M. Wilson, the U. of Pennsylvania gene therapy researcher whose experiment led to the death of a patient, Jesse Gelsinger. Wilson– after Federal investigators found a raft of problems with the experiment in 2005–admitted responsibility in 2009 for ignoring guidelines that would have prevented Gelsinger from participating in the trial. But he continued to insist that Gelsinger’s reaction could not have been predicted. Still, he published long cautionary notes in science journals warning other researchers about making these errors. Here’s a newspaper summary: http://articles.philly.com/2009-05-08/news/25273873_1_paul-gelsinger-gene-therapy-jesse-gelsinger
And here’s his general caution not to rush ahead without good oversight: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5928/727.full
And his full explanation of where he thinks he went wrong, in a science journal that you have to pay to read: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19211285?dopt=Abstract
And a comment from Paul Gelsinger, Jesse’s father, on the slowness and apparent reluctance of Wilson and the scientific/legal system to try and right the wrong: http://www.bioethics.net/2008/01/a-comment-from-paul-gelsinger-on-gene-therapy-and/
praymont - May 26, 2012 at 2:41 am
Sure, sometimes great minds think alike with respect to exciting, new ideas. Newton and Leibniz on the calculus, and Darwin and Wallace on natural selection. Note, though, that Darwin DID refer to Wallace in The Origin of Species. Darwin came up with the crucial ideas first BUT once he knew that someone else had arrived at a similar set of notions, he publicly acknowledged as much. Let’s suppose that Professor Deacon was not much influenced by others in formulating the main ideas in his new book. Still, once it was brought to his attention that others had written along similar lines, he ought to have acknowledged that fact and explained how his own views, while resembling these other theories in some respects, differed from them, too.
Bruno Tenório Coelho - May 26, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Now someone is bothered because two or three books have similiar ideias. Maybe the wrong winner get applauses, so what? We have ideias, thinkers and discussion. Originality is more important? Reviewers of book aparently like to create furor, much because it’s not about writing, but about status too.
munibond - May 27, 2012 at 10:42 am
Deacon posted the following at:
http://joyuscrynoid.hubpages.com/hub/DeaconIncompleteNature-Review.
Terrence Deacon 17 hours agoDear Joyous Crynoid,Though I generally avoid interacting in blog forums, I feel the need to do so here. You have done an excellent job of reviewing my book. One of the best that I’ve read so far. Thank you for working so hard to accurately summarize my reasoning and to make the effort to try to understand the motivations behind this approach. And I also appreciate your divulging your own theoretical bias as well. I think that the interesting contrasts and parallels you draw are illuminating, even though they are unlikely to alter our divergent metaphysical commitments.But I am mostly writing because I wish you had applied same level of careful analysis to the highly charged claims and pseudo-evidence sent to you by Lissack and Juarrero before including it at the end of your review. I wish you had actually read her book and done the comparison for yourself rather than just accepting it a face value. Unfortunately, by following up your careful and detailed review by merely parroting their claims and passing on their suggested URLs without a similarly careful comparison I feel that you have done me and your readers a disservice.Though I had not read her book prior to finishing my book, I have been reading her work since. She has indeed done excellent work synthesizing Kant, dynamical systems theory, and issues of consciousness. It is now clear that she recognized some of these connections well before me. But it will not take a very detailed reading to notice that our assumptions, arguments, and purposes are ultimately quite different. I don’t harbor the illusion that my ideas have never been entertained before by others. Indeed, I suspect that intellectual synchronicity is the rule not the exception, though the stronger claims of identity are easy to refute if one reads the books.Having done such a careful job explaining exactly how my analysis demonstrates the inadequacy of the dynamical systems approach, you wii easily be able to recognize a critical difference. Juarrero ultimately believes that dynamical systems thinking is sufficient. Her work relies heavily on ideas that are quite opposite from those that are at the heart of my work — Ideas like Wholes being more that the sum of their parts, wholes constraining their parts, top-down causality, and her assumption that autocatalysis (=autopoiesis) exemplifies the basic logic behind life and mind. Thus the morphodynamic / teleodynamic distinction which is so central to my theory is not even recognized in her work. So whereas I argue that we need to go beyond the dynamical systems paradigm if we are to make progress toward understanding the distinctiveness of life and mind, she does not.There are, of course, a great many other problems that I struggle with that are not discussed in her book, and many philosophical issues that concern her but do not interest me. Perhaps some of the differences in focus can be traced to the difference between a scientific and a philosophical approach, and even our difference in philosophical commitments are likely relevant — her’s with Kant, mine with Peirce.I have no problem admitting that there are a large number of thinkers pursuing similar paths that I have overlooked in my preparations (some of which you also identify). At some point one needs to decide when to stop reading and get something down on paper. The relevant literature is vast when you consider the scope of my book — from emergence theory to thermodynamics to systems theory to origins of life and DNA to work to reformulating information theory to grounding semiotics to speculating about the nature of mind — and I believe that my citations and references reflect a serious effort to do this vast sweep of topics justice. Inevitably I did not read or cite many relevant books and papers that a more encyclopedic work might have. Since the publication of the book I have been been trying to follow up on these many suggestions of parallel theories and competing paradigms, and I am indeed finding this to be a rich field, though sadly more in philosophy than in the sciences. I notice for example that recently many quite notable philosophers of science have struggled with the comparison between Kant’s notion of self-organization and the modern dynamical systems view — as does Juarrero — however the majority seem to have also overlooked her work as I have. So I agree that her work deserves better attention than it has received.Despite this effort to attack my academic integrity, I will treat Juarrero’s work with the intellectual respect it deserves. For example, I have recently submitted a paper (already accepted for publication) in which I explore some of the similarities and differences between our theories as well as discussing how both approaches compare with a few others whose work was not discussed in my book (e.g. Thompson). Perhaps this reflects my naive trust in the old ideal of published intellectual discourse, focused on ideas, pursued in academic venues.In the mean time I reiterate my request: please take the time do the comparison yourself, and with the same care that you have exhibited in this review of my book. Yes there are similarities, but I am certain that with similar attention to detail your appraisal of the independence and originality of my work will not suffer by such a comparison. And it may even provide an interesting subject for a future blog ;-)Thank you.Sincerely, Terry Deacon
Historicism - May 27, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Fodor and McGinn say pretty much the same things, but Fodor shows that you don’t have to be blunt and bullying to be devastating.
Two more examples of this type of review -
Fodor on EO Wilson: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v20/n21/jerry-fodor/look
McGinn on VS Ramachandran: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/24/can-brain-explain-your-mind
(The Nabokovian symmetry is a mystery.)
munibond - May 27, 2012 at 4:38 pm
The latest to and from Berkeley.
Professor Broughton
We are indeed alleging the intentional misappropriation of the writings of others. While my email to Prof. Deacon of Jan 27 suggested that the word plagiarism was too strong (where I take plagiarism in its literal sense to be the use of exact langauge) the idea chains and overlaps with Juarrero Thompson etc are too strong to have been mere coincidence.
My January 27th email was written in attempt to arrive at an acceptable compromise. Professor Deacon has rejected that compromise. My investigations subsequent to January 27th lead me to the inescapable conclusion that Deacons’ actions were either intentional or grossly negligent. To claim originality and uniqueness in the face of overwhelming evidence that neither is the case is simply DISHONEST. If it is your (and thus the University’s) policy to consider violations of intellectual honesty to not include continual repetition of claims of originality which are incorrect and fail to make proper attribution then it is a sad day for academic integrity. Integrity includes apologizing for negligence.
We at ISCE are firmly of the belief that Terrence Deacon has violated any reasonable standard of academic integrity and has INTENTIONALLY misappropriated the works of others which he has then claimed as his own without attribution. Your Code of Conduct includes the following standards which we believe Professor Deacon has violated “Professors make every reasonable effort to foster honest academic conduct. They accept the obligation to exercise critical self-discipline and judgment in using, extending, and transmitting knowledge. They practice intellectual honesty.”
We are of the opinion Terrence Deacon has NOT been intellectually honest. The University may desire to avoid dealing with this issue for political and budgetary reasons. That quite frankly is its own violation of intellectual honesty
Once again I implore you to actually read the works in question. The overlap and appropriation will be obvious (as they were to Thompson, McGinn, Fodor, Juarrero and James Coffman).
please acknowledge receipt of the above and please confirm that you understand that indeed we are formally accusing Terrence Deacon of intentional misappropriation.
as one of my research fellows stated “In my estimation, Terrence Deacon, whom I have never met, is a liar and a thief who stole from the work of others, including me, thinking that he could get away with it. Now that he has been caught, he is playing the victim, frantically backpedaling in a desperate effort to save his reputation.”
please note further that your tentative decision below may be of legal standing as far as UC Berkeley goes but that we will continue to do what we can to get this matter of academic integrity addressed, the University can play whatever role it likes in that effort, but the effort will continue until the matter has been corrected with or without the University’s cooperation
I feel a need to copy this note rather broadly.
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Janet Broughton wrote:
Dear Mr. Lissack,
This responds to your various communications regarding Professor Terrence Deacon and his book /Incomplete Nature: How Mind Emerged from Matter./After careful review of the material you provided, I have concluded that the information available to me does not warrant appointment of an Investigative Officer under our campus faculty disciplinary procedures.The conduct you have alleged would not constitute a violation of the University of California’s Faculty Code of Conduct.
The Code defines unacceptable conduct in the realm of scholarship to include “[v]iolations of canons of intellectual honesty, such as research misconduct and/or intentional misappropriation of the writings, research, and findings of others.”UC Berkeley policy defines “research misconduct” as “fabrication, falsification, or plagiarism.” You have not alleged fabrication or falsification; thus an allegation of either plagiarism or intentional misappropriation of writings, research, or findings of others would be required to constitute a basis for appointment of an Investigative Officer.In the communications you have sent me, however, you have expressly disclaimed making allegations of plagiarism or intentional misappropriation.For example, in your January 27, 2012 e-mail to Professor Deacon you wrote that “use of ‘plagiarism’ was much too strong a word.I regret the pain which my use of the word must have caused you.The way forward here is NOT to evoke that word.”In the same email, you stated: “I do believe (and have from the beginning) that you have not done anything here with nefarious intent.”
You have proposed that Professor Deacon should publicly acknowledge certain contributions of other scholars and should participate in seminars with those scholars.Please be aware that if Professor Deacon should decline to take these steps, this would not subject him to disciplinary action.
Finally, your May 22, 2012 email states that the Institute for Study of Coherence and Emergence “is making this complaint as the copyright holder.”In your May 23 email you state that “we at ISCE believe this to be a matter of ethics and integrity more than a matter of law.”My understanding is thus that ISCE is not raising a legal claim of copyright infringement.If I am wrong about that, please let me know, and I will ask the University’s lawyers to respond.
Sincerely yours,
Janet BroughtonVice Provost for the Faculty
munibond - May 27, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I have posted links to all the relevant material at http://theterrydeaconaffair.com