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Student Journalist at Towson U. Seeks Punishment for Newspaper Thieves

March 3, 2011, 12:02 pm

Daniel Gross, editor in chief of The Towerlight, the student newspaper at Maryland’s Towson University, hopes local prosecutors will file charges against the thieves who stole 3,000 copies of the paper after it published an article identifying student employees at a dormitory who resigned after they were charged with drinking on the job. A university official told The Baltimore Sun that the suspected thieves had been referred to the campus’s office of student conduct for punishment, but Mr. Gross wants them to be charged under a state law that considers the theft of free newspapers like The Towerlight a misdemeanor crime. The state’s attorney’s office in Baltimore County at first declined to pursue the case but is now reviewing it.

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  • azsundevil

    A required course for my graduate studies was on research methods and thesis formatting. During the semester the instructor gave a lecture on plagiarism including the usual line that if you get caught you can get kicked out of the class, the  university, society, heck you might even end up on death row!  After he was done with his lecture I asked “why not just make the anti-plagiarism software available as a tool so that we students can check our work for accuracy instead of using it as a threat?”   Apparently no one had asked that question before. I don’t recall his exact answer I remember that I personally found his response rather insulting. 

    In my opinion plagiarism is the result of poor teaching and a society that will tolerate it.

    I am graduating this semester. This incident was one of many that occurred at the college that made me decide not to further my education there or at any other university. I can do better on my own.

  • http://whytheology.wordpress.com/ Trey Medley

    From personal experience, Turnitin has a lot of problems. It looks for word groups and tries to match them to its database. The trouble is, sometimes the word groups that it flags a plagiarism are actually properly cited quotations. In contrast, when I took some of the same papers and simply typed in suspect phrases (those that did not sound like the student either in class discussion or on in-class essay exams) I have found more instances of plagiarism. The most common occurs on a book review assignment where students simply lift paragraphs out of highly rated review on amazon or similar sites. Turnitin may be the best option if you have 3 sections of writing comp with 50+ students in each, but for classes I’ve taught (which tend to be 5-20 in size) individual attention is best. But, as Mr Donoghue implies, this doesn’t get at the root issue of plagiarism (incidentally, the new trend toward “custom essays” will likely avoid almost all detection).

  • http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~jweiss Dr. Jillian T. Weiss

    I don’t use Turnitin for the same reason cited by t_rey.  Also, I have adopted the method of ensuring that initial writing assignments are done as in-class assignments, and that the thesis and research outline are submitted in advance so I have something to compare the final research paper with.  Lastly, I try to make sure that the research paper includes unique elements unlikely to show up anywhere else, like a specifically-defined comparison of the topic with some lesser-known articles assigned for class. Also, particularly in online classes, I require an oral interview to discuss the final paper to ensure that the student can answer simple questions about it, which goes into the grade for the paper and, sometimes, results in plagiarism charges. 

  • 11196496

    Dr. Weiss’s procedure is similar to mine. I add a few more safeguards. Each student submits a preliminary outline and bibliography by midterm.I comment of the proposal, often suggesting additional resources. I keep a copy of the proposal I have annotated and, if there is any question, compare it to the finished product and the resources of the local libraries. Finally, students report orally–and extemporaneously–in class on what they learned methodologically about research in the field and they comment on the most challenging aspect of the research and writing process. This is hard to fake.

  • 11159995

    Mr. Donoghue has not done much to clarify plagiarism here by confusing it with copyright infringement. Plagiarism, as the unacknowledged borrowing of others’ ideas, is not a violation of intellectual property laws and hence should not be spoken of as though it were part of intellectual property. What services like Turnitin are best at detecting is copyright infringement, not plagiarism, which would require a much more sophisticated type of semantic-based analysis. (By the way, it surely is a misstatement that Turnitin owns the individual papers in its system, since it does not get any copyright transfer from the authors of papers in its system. It was indeed sued by some students–unsuccessfully–in a case in the Fourth Circuit for copyright infringement.)  For some real clarity on what plagiarism is all about, read Richard Posner’s brilliant “Little Book of Plagiarism” (Pantheon, 2007).—Sandy Thatcher

  • barbarafister

    Turnitin markets a product for students so that they can (for a fee) be sure they either haven’t plagiarized or won’t get caught by Turnitin’s other product.

  • missoularedhead

    Our campus library created a video I make required viewing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3_tin1ik6E Although it’s humorous in tone, the meaning is quite clear, and we discuss it in class.  I also show them how easy it is to get misinformation into Wikipedia, and show them how easily a google search will spot plagiarism.  But at some point, I have to let it go, and realize that if they are bound and determined to plagiarize, nothing I do or say is going to make a bit of difference.  

    That said, I make the penalties stiff, and follow through.

  • theatheist

    Boy, is this a shallow article. Nothing new here. Why did you bother? Here’s a much more insightful look at the same issue: http://chronicle.com/article/Uncreative-Writing/128908/

  • Socratease2

    So if we instructors are losing the battle against plagiarism, what are we to do? 

    The author has not even established this is true, are we losing the battle? I don’t know, but apparently neither does he, and simply ignoring the premise of the question and answering “yes.” is not helpful. Of course technology can make it “easier” to plagiarize but what studies show a marked increase? Cheating may have been going on at similar rates in past but until relatively recently there has not been technology that can catch the perps. Plus, there are many kinds of plaigiarism, stealing of ideas, appropriating actual sentences, citation plagiarism to name a few. I think the citation variety is the most common. Students don’t mean to steal as much as they are too lazy to figure out how to use MLA correctly.

  • rod2312

    I think the first problem is that often students don’t actually know what constitutes plagerism and why it even matters.  That is, by the time I’ve gotten some students they’ve been allowed to do whatever they want.  Even at the grade school levels, “reports” are produced at the internet surface research level.  This mentality continues into college.  When I teach, I try to be very clear about what I mean by plagerism and what I expect from students – several will still plagerize, some will do the over citation (56 citations in a 4 page paper does not constitute original research) – that’s the opposite of plagerism but at the same time makes for the same lack of production that plagerism does.  
    @11159995 – Regardless of the legal definitions, for me the issue is not about intellectual property anyway (since an undergrad would not be able to reproduce material from say intensive field research over the course of years) or even copyright.  For the students, the issue is of producing work that is original, demonstrating that they can read material at the scholarly level and analyze that material, demonstrating that they maintain a certain amount of proficiency in the discipline or topic of the course.  Right?

    Because this is lacking in many students, I say either someone fixes it or calls “education” something different than what we might think of as education.  Good luck with that.

  • fdonoghue

    The oral interview about the final paper, and certain to be a good detector of plagiarism, though I worry how realistic a policy it is at schools with very heavy teaching loads.  I’d  hate to interview 150 students at the end of a term.

  • fdonoghue

    Thanks for your informative response.  I’ll definitely check out Posner’s book.

  • kathden

    I don’t understand how Turnitin would improve accuracy.

    I have tried scores of techniques throughout my career to reduce plagiarism. Some are damaging to good teaching and learning, for example eliminating essays and papers in favor of tests and quizzes. Some encourage better learning, for example requiring students to submit work in phases (thesis statement, outline with bibliography, 50% sample, complete draft, final version). But I have found that the most resourceful plagiarists can outwit any system (e.g., if they buy their paper early in the semester they can do phase-submission with ease).

    Your one-sentence paragraph is close to right, however: plagiarism is the result of a society that will tolerate it.

  • profdave

    Interesting. I would not even classify that as plagiarism.  It is sloppy citation, but not theft, IMO.

  • ruthgree

    Collaboration is one strategy I’ve used for moving forward with projects…when depleted by family concerns, I’ve partnered with another who’s strong in the areas where I’m not up to par.  Perhaps there’s someone (a peer or a grad student) willing to listen to your ideas and create a first draft; take advantage of the urge to fuss with someone’s draft of OUR ideas, and let that natural pull to edit draw you into wanting to revise and finish that writing project.  Or perhaps you can be a second author on another’s project, with less responsibility.  Perhaps you can negotiate with those who can publish your writing, to create smaller works, or to work on your timeline rather than theirs.  Sounds like you also deserve as much nurturing as you can get–sometimes the best way to have a productive week is to have a completely unproductive day where you can recharge.  I’ve found it hard enough just to work when someone I love is ill, so you are to be commended.  Wishing you the best.

  • 11179684

    Sometimes the better choice is compassion; put your family first.  In times of crisis, one needs the stability and routine (and pay check!) of a job. So do your best to maintain that normalcy; but discuss with your supervisor and explain what is going on, saying that sometimes the family call will be stronger than the classroom call.  Be proactive in your approach, with substitutes on call.  The writing part may be harder, unless you break the block by writing about your situation, getting it out of your system (good stress buster!)  so that you can then write the technical stuff you need to do.  Don’t take as many assignments; say no to anything too demanding, even if it is an extra-curricular committee or event.  I am telling this from the other side of raising 4 kids by myself…

  • brandall89

     I complete agree with the point about saying no to things. However, I have some concerns about not keeping up the writing productivity. If you are pretenure, you could eventually lose your job; if you are posttenure you may receive negative evaluations, lower or no raises, and harm your chance for promotion or advancement. I went through a difficult divorce (is there any other kind) that contributed to clinical depression. I found that even though people were presumably supportive during the actual divorce, there was an unwritten expectation that I should have been productive during that time as I’ve been quite harshly evaluated since. Context/family circumstances/mental health didn’t matter. Possibly even more problematic, the less productive I was in terms of writing, the worse I felt about myself. My advice now to people experiencing issues that they feel are impacting their work is to make sure you are putting your energy and time each work day into the things that are valued by your institution–schedule these activities & stick to the schedule. Life issues can drain your energy, but if you put what you do have to the things that count, you will be less likely to suffer potentially catastrophic career consequences.  If teaching is what is valued by your school, it sounds like you are probably ok. If scholarly productivity is what is valued, you let that drop at some peril.

  • juliewhite

    Eliana, so sorry to hear of your son’s illness. When I have had personal crises, I have found it helpful to have just one or two people at work who knew (my supervisor, if I knew they would be supportive), so that I could just let them know if I was having a difficult day.  For me, I didn’t need or want to have long, drawn-out conversation about my personal issues…just needed to have a place where it would be acknowledged.

    As an adjunct, I imagine that writing jobs may be an important part of your income. I second the recommendation of writing groups.  Mine are a combination of talking about what’s getting in the way of writing, and just writing in the presence of other people, which helps hold me accountable to do what I went there for.

    Best wishes.

  • johnbarnes

    Don’t be afraid to use a crutch when you have a broken ankle; just don’t stay on the crutch too long.

    1) Remember that being a workaholic is the only addiction that doesn’t make your life get immediately worse, and that addictions are soothing.  Also that they are addictions.

    2) Observe the wisdom of the old hands at getting by; typically somewhere around your department there are people who manage to not get fired, squeak through promotion, etc.  They may have permanent bad situations or just be lazy or not up to the job, but they have some ways of getting through it that will work at least temporarily, or they wouldn’t still be there.  There may be some trick you can learn (and will have to get rid of later, but the point of most crutches is that they are temporary).

  • http://www.facebook.com/jstuntz Jean Stuntz

    Cut way back on your Service obligations. Most women do far too much Service, anyway, and it does not do much help you get tenure or promotion. this will give you more time for your writing.

    When you want to write, play some classical (with no lyrics) music first. Let that become your key that you are switching modes from real life to writer. When you get distracted, play another piece. Your brain will soon learn that this music means writing and this will help you keep focused.

  • ppatch

    My personal momentum was challenged when my daughter, now 3, was diagnosed with epilepsy as a 14-month-old. I know of what you speak. On a personal note, I offer you all the compassion in the world. I’ve tried to ensure that all of my commitments revolve around a cohesive point: a goal, a principle, a value, so that when I am thinking about one, I am, in effect, thinking about all of them, and so that, when energy runs low, passion lets me run on fumes for a while. This is easier said than done, but it generally works. My advice is, don’t be afraid to put some things on the back burner for now, as long as you can do so without jeopardizing your finances or your employment. Re-prioritize, knowing that at some point, you can re-prioritize again. I agree with other advice that suggests letting people know what’s going on. You’d be surprised at what they may be willing to take on for you–or to stop asking you for. And it helps to know that there’s someone around on whose shoulder you can cry or complain. It helps to know that you are not alone.

  • demisty

    I have to eat. I remind myself that. And, I remember that my kids have to eat, too. Work = food. I like food. So work, work, work.

  • cerebellum

    Hello Rob,

    I wonder whether these “vanishing students” (love the Without a Trace analogy) are under the misperception that if they simply don’t finish the course, they won’t get a grade and nothing bad will happen OR some of them seem to believe (perhaps based on what happened in high school) that if they stop attending, we will calcuate their grades based on what they have already achieved, and all will be well.   I think it is important for students to understand that if they don’t finish the course, all of their unfinished assignments will receive grades of zero and their course averages will be calculated accordingly.  At some point, I started giving students a way to calculate their grades based on what they had already completed, and also based on what would happen if they did nothing else from that point on.  I did not look systematically at whether it had an effect on those late dropouts, but reflecting back, I think it did pretty much eliminate that problem.

    I’m impressed that you have tried to email the vanished students. 

  • misanthropic789

    That happens in my classes as well.  The reason appears to be 1 of 2 things. 

    First, since I teach statistics, the all know they will need a C or better to transfer anywhere, and ALL of them plan to transfer.  So at about this time the SMART ones come ask me if they can still pass and the not so smart ones disappear.

    Second, I teach a lot of nursing students who need straight As to get into the best programs.  Therefore this is about the time the Bs start to disappear as well.  They don’t want to do the last big project, the additional homework and labs, or take any more tests when they think they can’t get the grade they are sure they need, so they leave.  

    As something of a softy, I will give them a W instead of an F.  But it is still a bit frustrating to see students work that long and hard just give up at the end.

  • sortaretired

    I guess it’s hard to do exit interviews with people who have disappeared. If the project is the problem, is there a way to chunk your major project into more manageable segments (subassignments), using intermediate due dates to force the students to start before the last minute?

  • darccity

    Anyone can show up for exams. Course completion rates are always much lower if there’s a project unless you really ride herd on them. I’ve gotten my rate down to zero by doing exactly that. First, I dedicate substantial portions of the class time during the most intensive project work weeks of the term to walk students through the process of doing each phase of the project, where the most common pitfall lie and how overcome them, how the project draws up particular methods, concepts, and studies in the course so they can make the direct, hard-wired connection (rather than expect students to see these linkages). Also, make it explicit that a complete project must be submitted to pass the course, regardless of class average on exams and other grades.

  • tejackso

    my  two cents…

    of course this is worth thinking over and taking seriously, especially if it happens very much. but i wonder if you’re tending to blame yourself unnecessarily? if students who are doing ok, who show they can do what needs to be done, suddenly disappear late in the term, then i just assume they’ve got a good reason to do so. i’m betting that if you care about this enough to write this kind of piece, then they can’t not know you’d be approachable with problems that are reasonable. I try to be that way too. so i wouldn’t much blame them for not letting me know. i assume they’ll assume that i’ll figure it out, and they’re right. i don’t mean to sound like a hardass. it’s a shame, but stuff happens. they know what’s expected in a general way from the beginning. and by some fairly early point in the term presumably they know how you as an individual read/grade, react (or not) to late work etc; and so they know how that’ll bear on final projects.  if they discover they’re over-committed late in the  term, then that’s a discovery for them to make and do something about, one way or the other. 

    tony e. jackson

  • gzerovnik

    I have come to require students to make submissions on a final project in four stages. In my approach, I find it helps to give students the opportunity to select their own final paper/project topic, so long as it is relevant to the course coverage and intent. Stage one is to have them decide on a topic and send me an email about it. A couple paragraphs is all I ask for. Sometimes I may query the topic or even occasionally turn one down, but always with suggestions for things to consider. Stage one is always due the second week of class. Stage two is a bullet-point outline, due a week or two later. This gives me the opportunity to point out that they are trying to cover too much material, which will result in a very superficial paper overall and a poor grade. I approve about half of submitted outlines on the first try, most of the rest on the second submission, and one or two need a third iteration. Stage three is the rough draft, which is due about two or three weeks before the end of the term. My expectations are clear, that some parts of the paper are now fully developed, while others may only have a heading and the line “copy to come.” We can now see how they are doing on depth of investigation, need for citation, and clarity/organization. I return drafts in the order received. The last stage is the completed paper, due the last day of the course. By having students pay attention to the final paper at stages throughout the term I eliminate most of “last-minute-itis” and because I give detailed feedback at each stage, the quality is much better than in the bad old days when I simply assigned a final paper and a due date and waited with ‘bated breath (hardly). It IS a lot of time and effort for me, and doing it this way a class of 30 or more would probably be impossible, but it works for me at this time.

  • v8573254

    mmmmmm, yes.  it is puzzling.  good question: why quit now?

  • dochalladay

    My campus has a system of academic alerts whereby professors can notify their students (and their advisers) that a problem has arisen, and usually for me it’s that the student has just stopped coming to class. Part of me always resents sending these, as I feel like it’s not really my job to make them come to class, but of course there’s the other part of me that genuinely wants them to succeed and is willing to harass them to get them to come to class. Having the adviser as backup for these messages (akin to your e-mailing of “the disappeared”) is helpful.

  • robjenkins

    Yes, I’ve started doing that (breaking up the project) the last couple of years. Seems to help some. Thanks, sorta.

    Rob

  • graddirector

    Well, in the end, it sounds like you have some students not showing up for “life”.  If they can’t do a project for a class assigned in a relatively safe and structured way with available guidance from the professor, and instead give up, How do they have any chance at all of surviving the realities of working in almost any profession?  Part of the reason that employers like to hire college grads is that it is a “screening service” that weeds out those who are not “completers”.

    While I laud you for trying your best to retain these students and hold their hand through your class, in the end, you should not beat yourself up too much for dysfunctional student behavior. It has taken me a long time to come to the realization that as a professor, it is seldom, if ever, my fault  that a handful of students implode.  Part of your job is to “discriminate” between those who are able to be organized, mature,  hard working , and capable of mastering the material and those who are not.  That is why we give grades……

  • carolprestonbrown

    We have to be careful not to lump all students in the “Without a Trace” scenario.  As a professional in Financial Aid who is constantly hearing about maintaining the requisite GPA to continue receiving assistance in their academic pursuits, some students are concerned with not only maintaining a grade that will lead to the next step, but also will they remain eligible to receive disbursements.  I have heard countless times, “I would rather have the withdrawal (“W”) grade than fail the class”.  Sometimes they disappear to persevere.  A “W” does not impact the GPA but it is counted in other ways toward financial aid eligibility.  It becomes an either/or choice.  On our campus there is a deadline you can exit a class and receive a W in lieu of an “F”.  For some, it is the lesser of two evils. In the end Malone, Delgado and Spade might find the student licking their wounds and developing a new battle plan in the academic counseling office.  

  • usaret

    I teach English comp and literature at a CC and have had exactly the same experience. I’ve tried emailing and calling such students, and have even on occasion tracked them down at their workplaces and chatted with them about why they drop. They tell me about what I’d expect–the pressures of work, family, and other coursework cause them to disappear–I encourage those who plan on disappearing to at least drop by the deadline so that they do not get an F. Some do, some don’t. I often wonder that if we charged students more per course, that they’d want some return for their investment, but that would likely just add to the burden these vanishing students already bear.

    Another idea I have is to offer those students who disappear a chance to take my course the next term, but ask them to just do the work they did not do the previous semester. They pay twice, but at least would not have to repeat everything they already did. I wish we could break free of the 3-credit hour course schedule and let students take modules that once completed, would satisfy the course requirements–of course, there’d have to be time limits and some degree of standardization, but it might help those students who can somehow manage 12 weeks of a semester, but whose sick kid/job loss/car wreck/spouse breakup/homelessness/childcare arrangements issues get in the way.

    Of course, some students just aren’t ready to complete the work required when they start a course or program, and maybe need to find that out by failing or withdrawing and coming back to try again next year or later.

    Finally, I’m just as baffled by those students who come to every class but never hand in the papers or complete the other assignments. I like to think it’s because they find me entertaining, better than daytime TV, but I think it’s from the misplaced hope that somehow they’ll motivate themselves to get the work done somehow–but they so seldom do.

  • andersonhe

    When students come to me at the end of the term (I had 4 show up today with only one more week of classes left) and ask, “What can I do to pass the class?” – I turn the question back to them: “What could you have done to pass the class? Do you think you’ll be in this same position with another instructor next semester? How will you avoid the same scenario?”

    Most students see their situation as a choice, possibly a poor one depending on the circumstances. Some have legitimate reasons for leaving no trace. We then have a conversation about options.

  • janellelafond

    Rob, first I’d like to say that I enjoy reading your columns.  Next, I am wondering if your system offers the option of an “incomplete” grade?  In this way, the student can complete the project by an agreed upon date, with out needing to sign up for the class all over again.  Those who are in the midst of a difficult time at semester’s end may find this a good alternative. 

  • gkllevy

    Whenever I ask my students who have reappeared in my Freshman Composition classes, how they manage to do well in other classes but not in mine, they often answer that there are fewer large projects that they have to turn in.  They are often take only midterm and final exams, if that, and so it’s easier for them to keep attending those classes longer.   However, in Freshman Composition, there is an essay, with several drafts, due every three or four weeks, in addition to almost daily homework assignments.  In order to improve their reading, writing, researching, and critical thinking skills, practice makes better. 

    Most teachers who are concerned about their disappearing students have probably tried to make it easier for students to complete these large projects (e.g., breaking projects into smaller pieces, explaining the consequences of not handing in the projects, contacting students when problems arise); sometimes, however, making it “easier” means watering down college-level expectations and standards. 

    Where does this trend stop?  At what point do teachers simply cut loose these disappearing students?  If I were an employer and my employees didn’t show up for work and didn’t call in to explain their absences and how they were going to control the damage done by their absences, they would be fired.  And so, I “fire” my students with an F grade, not at the end of the semester, but throughout the semester if, after my making several accommodations,  they do not hand in essays that meet the minimum criteria.  So the 50% who are left at the end of the semester are there at the end of the semester. 

  • lemeash

    In some cases you may find your students in my office in the Counseling Center.  Many serious mental health issues emerge in late adolesence or early adulthood.  The pressure of the last few weeks of the semester may result in panic on the part of the student and they stop attending classes.  In a perfect world, we would know that depression, anxiety or worse were affecting the student.  I wish we had a fail-proof system for knowing who has “disappeared,” whether for academic or mental health reasons.  Whenever possible, send them our way.  At times it is a matter of life or death.

  • a1broom

    Over half a century ago as a Junior at UT Austin, I too became a desaparecido.  When my students disappeared from my classes over my 4+ decades as a prof, I wondered if they were experiencing what I did.  I had signed up for an advanced Differential Equations course at the behest of my brilliant math major roommate.  He told me there were no exams and all I would have to do was turn in a paper at the end of the course. I figured I was a pretty good writer, so how tough could it be?  To make a long and painful story short, the paper assignment was, given a set of coordinate axes, some letters and a few other things, prove trigonometry.  I sat through about half the class and discovered that I hadn’t understood anything that had been said.  The prof was a very senior and distinguished man, and I was way to shy to go tell him of my total inability to understand the concepts he was presenting, so I just disappeared.  I have a feeling that disappearing students often leave with that poleaxed stare that we associate with total incomprehension mixed with shyness.  In my experience, their isn’t much to be done to rescue them.Art Broom

  • laurajb

    I teach mathematics which does not have big projects and students disappear in the same way.  I don’t think this is unique to classes with projects.  There are many reasons students disappear during the semester.  It can be mental or physical illness, family issues, transportation issues, daycare, or finances.  Students may have had their work hours changed or found a new job.  They may be globally discouraged because college isn’t what they thought it was going to be.  However, some do not (and may never have) hold themselves accountable for their own learning or performance and are very content to have their professors take responsibility for them.  This is what they are accustomed to in high school (one of the results of No Child Left Behind).  Because the job market is so bad for adolescents right now, some have never been held accountable for much of anything. 

    I make my expectations clear, at the beginning and throughout.  I learn names and make an effort to encourage them individually.  However, I totally disagree with the overly aggressive support some are discussing here.  College is not high school.  These students are adults.  When we give them W’s when they have actually failed, when we make it our responsibility to nag them to go to class, we are enabling them to continue in a long adolescence.  When we give extra credit that allows students to pass a course without learning the required work, we are sending them a message about what is really important and that definitely isn’t the essential content and performances of the course.

    This is not to say that we shouldn’t make the curriculum and our pedagogy accessible and managable.  We need to teach students about the culture of college, especially in entry level courses. 

    Success rates are a limited metric, especially when we don’t know why students quit.  The real danger is when professors want to be liked.  They are stoked by students saying “I love her, she is cool, she gives us extra credit every week, there’s hardly any homework”  like the students talking in the hall outside my office yesterday instead of “She is really hard but you learn a lot. You’ve got to go class or you won’t be able to make it.”

  • robjenkins

    Thanks, Janelle. Yes, we do sometimes give ”incompletes,” but we have to justify each to our chair, and we’re also supposed to get the student to sign the form. That’s difficult to do when the student has vanished. I have tried it a few times with students who missed only the final exam, and who were passing otherwise, on the theory that they might have missed the exam due to unforseeable circumstances. Sometimes that turns out to be the case.

  • 11274135

    If the students are always disappearing at the same time of the semester, you might want to check the deadline for applying for an unrestricted withdrawal. However, at a couple of places I have taught, esspecially where I have had a lot of first generation college students, often from underrepresented minority groups, I had a lot of women who were doing well in the class suddenly disappear toward the end of the semester. The student affairs folks told me that that this was often a result of family pressures arising out of fear of the student’s success. Families want success for their children but they are also afraid of losing them.

  • robjenkins

    Thanks, 112. The withdrawal deadline is just after the midpoint. I might lose a student or two then, too, but at least I know where they’ve gone. This is something that happens much later in the semester. The point about family pressure is a good one, though. I’ve noticed something similar.

  • jsto2865

    I think your final point is the most important. Bravo!

  • mnprof

    >  I expect you to come to class. This is the bare minimum.

    I consider grading attendance to be patronizing and counter-productive.  If class attendance is so important to the course, then the learning objectives (and assessment activities) should reflect that.  In other words, I tell my students that attendance is “voluntary” (in the sense they will not be given an explicit attendance grade), but I also assure them that students who do not regularly attend and engage in class do not learn very much–and therefore do not get good grades. 

    Most students take me at my word on this, and those that don’t fall into one of two categories: 1) they realize after the first assignment that I was indeed correct, and they begin attending class; or 2) they don’t care that they are doing poorly, and nothing I can do can change the fact that they don’t want to be in class. 

    If the assigments/exams can be done well without attending class, then I would tend to agree with the student–what is the value of attending class?

  • lithead

    For discussion-based classes, attending every class sends a necessary message to classmates that  the attendee respects the classmates’ ideas and can learn from them.  If a student attends only a few sections, the rest of the class learns that they are not respected by that student, no matter why the student actually does not attend.  Also, if a notable group regularly does not show up, discussion can never grow to build new ideas as a group.  Taking attendance in lectures does seem a bit patronizing, but there can be useful reasons for that.  I find many students need to be taught why their attendance matters other than because it will help them on the test.  Not only that, most students do not realize how much their regular attention at discussions can help their essay writing.

  • leah_shopkow

    I’ve often heard students say that they can get an “A” and never attend class. But I wonder how true this is? I’ve had some truly brilliant students, much much smarter than myself, but they always came to class. But I’d agree with lithead that students often engage in counter-productive behaviors, because they are young and some have poor logical skills and impulse control still. They do need to be taught why certain behaviors are counterproductive. And force is not an argument.
     

  • nacrandell

    Well, at least 3/5 of your comments makes sense.
     
    “You do not pay my salary.”
     
    Why does the university exist? Even research university profit from student enrollment. So yes Mr. Chips, you do work for the student.  The student employs the university for the class and the university employs you to teach the class.
    I remember a business grad school class and the professor was late. His excuse was that he was reworking his lecture and if he was teaching history, he would have made it on time as those lectures never change. As an older student that paid state and federal taxes, worked, took care of my preschool daughter and paying for full time school, I was not impressed by his behavior. After commenting that my undergrad was in history, he had the added gall to question what I could have learned – I responded how Bismarck used treaties and alliances to reduce the influence of Austria and France while consolidating Prussian power to create the modern German state. Needless to say he didn’t understand the practical application of education.
    No, the customer is the student and you are doing a diservice to them by adopting a haughty attitude.
     
     
    “…the ones who seek knowledge and understanding, as opposed to grades, have succeeded in my class, in other classes, in their subsequent studies, and in their subsequent careers”
     
    This statement clearly suggests which department employs you and your romanticism toward teaching.
     
    Civility and respect are the two behaviors that students should show teachers and teachers show students. This is, after all, college and not middle school.

  • profadavis

    The consequence of seeing the student as customer is seeing the professor as service-provider. It has a limited heuristic value — it provides a way of thinking through certain issues. Test it by asking what service encounters are most comparable. Is the professor more like a shoeshine provider, or a physician? Or even a public health official, who is indeed paid by the taxpayer, but has far broader responsibilities and loyalties than the individual asserting “I pay your salary!” I think most of us have heard that line, at least second hand, if not face to face. The analogy has consequences. Is the customer always right? And if my role is just to sell students something, is there the same normative expectation that I will make inflated promises, charge as much as possible, and give as little as I can without losing my job or going to jail? No, I’m not asking if we think some or most or all profs actually do that, I’m asking if we think that’s how things OUGHT to be.

  • nacrandell

    There is a contract between the teacher and student. The teacher offers education and not a certificate. Yes, if the student learns, understands and apply the information, then a certificate will be rewarded, but the student is obligated to participate just ast the teacher. The reward is not automatic.

    Isak Denison’s ‘The Blank Page’ demonstrates the relationship of the writer and the reader to create the story together – this is example I refer – a cooperation between teacher and student to transfer and attain the information.

    The issue I have with the writer’s comment of, “You do not pay my salary,” and the suggested student comment of “Well, I pay your salary,” is that these two statements don’t convey communication and promote a power play from the respective positions. Or – “I own you” and “No, you don’t” which will deginerate into “oh yeah” and “says you”. – Not an enlightened debate.

  • landrumkelly

    ‘…the ones who seek knowledge and understanding, as opposed to grades,
    have succeeded in my class, in other classes, in their subsequent
    studies, and in their subsequent careers’
     
    “This statement [above] clearly suggests which department employs you and your romanticism toward teaching.”

    Wow, that is a “romantic” attitude?  That is the most solid advice that one can give a student. 

    In which department would you expect to hear that? I have heard it or something like it from my best professors in a variety of fields–and it is my own philosophy of learning as well.

    Landrum Kelly

  • nacrandell

    In the legal community the GPA, and the words “With Honors”, is the key for employment at large firms.

    Also, as businesses have reduced the antropology, phycoloy and sociology degrees for BS degrees in Human Resources, the formula for a successful resume is the GPA as this number scans through the reading computer program.

    The romanticism comment is derived by my confusion on the grading - if the most ‘successful’ students in the writer’s class are not earning the tops grades, then how is grading performed? Also, wht are the criteria for future success? The fifth issue seems hopeful without substantiation.

  • tdb489

    Good to hear from Issac again.  How’s the tenure track job going?

    Your remarks about Evan are correct.  I try to be entertaining, but as you say, it is a perk, it is not my job.  Just now on the news, a comedian was assaulted at the Hollywood Improv by a customer who did not believe he was adequately entertained……..

    Nevertheless, I worked at a university which posted signs in bold letters  near every office corridor which read:

    “The dissemination of information is NOT adequate performance.”

    That slap in the face every morning was not inspiring.  But, if Deans and students actually came to work/class everyday, they might realize the benefits of a lecture, entertaining or not.

    My last point about attendance.  Yes, you may be able to read the book, never come to class and pass the course.  But, one important thing you will not learn is networking and that is one key to success.

  • lydiatimmins

    I don’t have a textbook for several of my classes. Even the ones that do–I assign reading but I don’t talk about it specifically (it’s background to understand discussion). So students who don’t come to my classes miss pop quizzes, in-class assignments and my fun discussions. I have little sympathy for the “missers” and their grades reflect it.
    No, I don’t have to entertain them…but I don’t think I should be boring either.

  • ardvaark

    I don’t disagree with your responses to this student. I do think it often becomes something of an argument, both sides being defensive. This is too bad, though understandable. I wish I knew more about why students have the attitude they do, why they don’t  see the benefits we see. I think we need more dialog with them on this. Studies, perhaps?

  • MarjoryMunson

    Although we may reasonably object to the student’s “I’m paying, so I’m entitled!” attitude (which sometimes leads restaurant servers to spit in the food of the entitled one), there is a part of what he said that we should address: “I have been through far too many classes where everything covered in the lecture was in the book and attendance offered no tangible benefit to me . . .” The student was not asking (at least in the portions of his comment included here) to be entertained by the class, but that it provide actual value, that it not merely speak the text, which he can indeed read for himself.

  • raymond_j_ritchie

    I always assure students that it is a good idea to turn up at lectures (labs are compulsory).  A good teacher talks about what is in the textbook rather than repeat what it says.  Some subjects can be learnt out of a textbook but some cannot.  Even in Biology I student’s minds are usually so cluttered with critical misconceptions about biology that they can literally read the textbook and not understand it.  They need to have the chapters explained to them, particularly enzymology and metabolic pathways.
    Biochemistry is much worse. You have to be taught.  I cannot understand how any mortal could read Lehninger alone and cold turkey and understand it.  I tell students that at the end of the course you should be able to flick to any page in the book and start reading and understand what it is about.  That is a reasonable target.  That is why a doer is needed to teach at tertiary level rather than a highschool teacher.

  • wccalvert

    The question of who pays our salary is a petty one.  I also pay my doctor’s salary.  Those who think that means the doctor should tell them only what they want to hear generally get the medical care they deserve.

  • http://twitter.com/jwithy jwithy

    You know how one smart kid’s mom once said “you aren’t CHALLENGING him enough!” and so all the smart kids had a go to excuse when they were bored in class and got into trouble?

    There’s one millennial somewhere who said “I’m PAYING you, I’m a CONSUMER” and so now students can latch onto this to skip classes and blame it on the instructor.

    I wonder why students bother going to college if they are such great self-learners. There are plenty of fields where a minimum of education and a lot of self-taught know-how can get you pretty far.

  • http://twitter.com/jwithy jwithy

    “This statement clearly suggests which department employs you and your romanticism toward teaching.”A department that values learning and teaching? Personally, I’d prefer, over anyone else, an instructor that feels romantic towards–and a responsibility for–teaching and learning. 

  • proftowanda

    Has it yet occurred to you, lo these many years later, that your business prof was a fool for other reasons as to why lectures in the field often need reworking?

    (And did you miss English classes on use of pronouns?)

    I am sorry for you, in that all of your education left you uneducated in so many ways.

  • proftowanda

    And to the consumerist student, I also like to point out that attendance matters in terms of the references that I am asked to give to potential employers — whose concerns always include reliability, i.e., whether our graduate will be there and will accomplish work on time.  The only predictor we have for that is whether students came to class and turned in classwork on time.

  • proftowanda

    I also find that some students need to hear how their education actually is funded, especially to counter myths propounded by politicians and media.  And as for the proportion of their education paid by the state taxpayers, in the anti-education state in which we live, I have been known to point out that portion of the semester is completed at the end of the second week.

    However, I do not state that I am “responsible” to any of the funding sources, either, for the results that so many students seek.  We don’t “give” grades.  They earn them.  Their final grades are their responsibility, and theirs alone.

  • PanchoDesastre

    Students forget that they are part of a community of learners. When a student doesn’t show up one day (or several days) and then asks questions about topics that have been discussed and re-discussed during his/her absence, it shows a lack of respect for the students who attend regularly. Too many students think that their only and primary interaction in classes is ME TEACHER and think the teacher should dedicate time exclusively to him/her. Some students have the self-centered arrogance to assume that other students cannot teach them anything. Even good teachers know that they can learn a lot from their students. Sometimes the best lessons learned aren’t even included in the syllabus.

  • jsibelius

    I like attending the classes where attendance actually matters – not the kind where the instructor marks down my grade because I missed too many classes, but the kind where I actually participate in something I couldn’t get anywhere else.  I stopped skipping classes when I started taking classes that were in that latter category.  My grades reflected that, and I always assumed I was absorbing information just because I showed up. 

    I no longer think that.  When the instructor doesn’t add value or encourage relevant discussion outside of what is in the book, I have discovered I really can simply read the book, skip some classes, and still make a mid- to high A on the tests.  Same thing on assignments.  There are some classes where there is just no benefit to going to class.  And I resent being treated like a teenager because I choose to do something more valuable with my time.  I have greater respect for instructors who say they trust me and my classmates to come to class and do the work.  As the instructor, you have records to prove it.  It’s a lot of effort to be a great instructor, and it’s really a lot of work just to come up with good course content that adds to the textbook.  Unfortunately, average instructors are doing well just to convey the information from the text.  Average doesn’t mean bad, and there’s a reason average is usually close to the middle.  We’d all like to think we’re better than average, but look around you.  Someone has to be average.  Don’t forget to look in the mirror as well.

    Someone wondered if it were true a student could skip classes and still manage to get an A.  The answer is “yes,” it IS possible – in some cases.  If you’ve ever taken a class or a seminar on teaching methods, and I hope that’s everybody who teaches, you’ve probably come across a discussion of learning styles – visual, auditory, and kinesthetic/tactile.  Your students who can do well without the in-class portion are your visual learners.  They’re also probably your introverts, for whom collaborative teaching styles are more chore than helpful activity.  And the older the student, the more like they are to make good grades and learn while skipping class because life experience helps fill in many blanks. 

    Stop assuming the worst of your students just because they don’t show up.  As an instructor, it IS your job to show up; you may not answer directly to students the way so many of them seem to think, but it is in your job description nonetheless.  The student’s job is to complete assignments, participate (however participation is done), and above all, absorb and understand the material.  It doesn’t have to be a case of “if I have to be here, you have to be here.”  It’s more important that the student learns, however that happens.

  • espresso5

    “It is your job as a teacher to make class-time … necessary for success in the classroom.”  The student has a point here.  If he can skip class and still get an A, then there’s a problem with the professor/instructor.  If a student misses my classes, he/she won’t have sufficient information to pass the exams. 
    I know none of the good professors here at CHE are in this boat, but plenty of my colleagues are professional power point readers, and I can hardly blame the students for wanting to stay at home and read the power points at their own pace.

  • nacrandell

    As to the comments made by proftowanda 

    a.       …your business prof was a fool…
    b.      …did you miss English classes on use of pronouns…
    c.       …your education left you uneducated in so many ways…

    A response to an online article, generally, does not meet the same rigorous editing and peer review as an article published in a journal. Although the online article may contain the same research and quality as a journal article, the online comments, again generally, are quickly written and the focus should be on the content rather than the responder’s typing ability. Also, the use of ad hominems in replies is generally used in political and not academic debates.

    I apologize for any grammatical and spelling error and agree about the business professor’s ability, however, I must restate my question – if the most ‘successful’ students in the writer’s class are not earning the tops grades, then how is grading performed and why are the least successful students receiving the highest grades? 

    FROM COMMENT ABOVE ADDED FROM AUTHOR
    “Thank you for reading and replying. I believe you have misread my final bullet (or maybe it wasn’t clear enough?). Nowhere have I said that a student who seeks knowledge and understanding doesn’t make the grade. Actually, it is the seeking of of knowledge and understanding that leads to higher success (and grades) in my class setting. The students who seek only the grades themselves (for example, those who go for memorization instead of thinking and understanding) tend to get only average grades, or slightly above. Evan DeliFi’s comment that says “attendance offered no tangible benefit to me in terms of achievement on the exams” indicates that his concern is grades only and not an actual education. Kudos if he can get a degree with that focus, and then a job. But he’s going to still have a lot to learn after that.”

  • nacrandell

    As to the comments made by jwithy

    “Personally, I would prefer, over anyone else, an instructor that feels romantic towards–and a responsibility for–teaching and learning. “

    I used the term romanticism to illustrate the writer’s emotional argument.  The writer defines success without any substantiation and proof. If the writer reduces the students’ involvement with the educational process, is he able to approach teaching and learning objectively? Can he find a solution to student apathy or is he distancing himself from a poor student and accountability to attain mediocrity?
    Both the teacher and student have a responsibility in the educational process and the nah-nah argumentation prevents the exchange of ideas.

  • nacrandell

    What about uncommunitive doctors – shouldn’t patients question them? And what about second opinions – would you suggest that the first answer is the only answer? Remember – it’s never Lupus.

    Teachers like doctors are neither performing clowns nor gods, but individual teachers like doctors can be found all along the spectrum.

    Added link about doctors:
    http://www.ajc.com/health/poll-doctors-fall-short-1425657.html
    Large numbers of seniors aren’t receiving recommended interventions that could help forestall medical problems and improve their health, according to a new survey from the John A. Hartford Foundation.
    Notably, one-third of older adults said doctors didn’t review all their medications, even though problems with prescription and over-the-counter drugs are common among the elderly, leading to over 177,000 emergency room visits every year.

  • http://twitter.com/IsaacSweeney IsaacSweeney

    Thank you for reading and replying. I believe you have misread my final bullet (or maybe it wasn’t clear enough?). Nowhere have I said that a student who seeks knowledge and understanding doesn’t make the grade. Actually, it is the seeking of of knowledge and understanding that leads to higher success (and grades) in my class setting. The students who seek only the grades themselves (for example, those who go for memorization instead of thinking and understanding) tend to get only average grades, or slightly above. Evan DeliFi’s comment that says “attendance offered no tangible benefit to me in terms of achievement on the exams” indicates that his concern is grades only and not an actual education. Kudos if he can get a degree with that focus, and then a job. But he’s going to still have a lot to learn after that.

  • jffoster

    I over the years had some students complain because I taught stuff in class that was not in the book!   So we can’t win, can we.

    No, the students are not our “customers”.  They are much nearer being our raw materials.

  • 22113683

    I do expect my students to attend class, for a variety of reasons: (1) they don’t hear important information and perspectives if they’re not there; (2) they can’t contribute much to discussion, and part of their grade depends on participation in discussion; and (3) their absence may be a symptom of something seriously wrong: illness, psychiatric problems (depression, drugs), personal or family problems (parents divorcing or jobless), or even that the student has gone missing.  Some years ago, when I was teaching in another state, a freshman at a state university went for a walk, fell into an uncovered well, and died; his body was found 3 or 4 weeks later, but nobody had reported him missing: teachers, roommates, residence directors—nobody even knew he was missing, or assumed it was somebody else’s responsibility.  It’s true that I teach in a small department (65 majors) and a small college (fewer than 2,000), so we are closer to our students than is possible for the most empathic instructor in large schools.  But I’m determined that if one of my students disappears or needs help I’ll know about it and can help them get the help they need.  Keeping track of their attendance (whether I use that in the grading formula or not!) is key to that responsibility.  By the same token, a student who occasionally falls asleep in class may have perfectly valid reasons for sleep deprivation, which I as a fellow human being have to take into account instead of merely berating him.

    That said, the ones that really tick me off are the ones who seem to have flawless memories: they never take notes in class but always get A on tests over material covered ONLY in class.  In my 41 years of teaching, I’ve had two of these (one of them right now).  Drives me crazy.  Seldom misses class, but never does any “extra” or “bonus” assignments (which might challenge him).  He has almost terminal arrogance; he told the department faculty in writing that he’s the only REALLY talented and bright student in the department. 

  • MarjoryMunson

    You are right on “can’t win” – however, teaching stuff in class that is not in the book can be part of the professional educator’s reason for being in front of that class, while merely speaking the book is often an abdication of that responsibility.

  • Guest

    That’s really a bit worrisome, that a professor would resent a student for having an above-average aptitude for learning. I am certain that those students are equally ticked off by your attempts at instituting busy-work (since when have “extra” or “bonus” assignments been appropriate outside of elementary school, anyway?).

  • theatheist

    The business grad school class example does not make your point. The professor’s behavior was bad, certainly. Ethically, he did a disservice to the students AND to the other individuals and organizations who contributed to his salary. They have a stake in your getting a quality education as well. You are just one of the variables in that equation. From a legal standpoint, of course, the professor is answerable only to the institution. If you wanted to pursue your grievance, you would complain to the university, and the university would handle the professor in whatever manner it deemed appropriate.

  • nacrandell

    “From a legal standpoint, of course, the professor is answerable only to the institution. If you wanted to pursue your grievance, you would complain to the university, and the university would handle the professor in whatever manner it deemed appropriate.”
     
    True. The professor is just a sub-contractor and unless I hire him directly then my response would hold the general contractor or university responsible for the poor job.
     
    Which highlights the ability of mediocre teacher to avoid responsibility and accountability, while at the same time hold themselves above students, through multiple employment layers.
     
    Who is responsible for a teacher that reads the textbook or is disorganized – well… we’ll form a university committee to look into the matter.
     
    The undergraduates are generally new consumers and do not force the issue so the happy part of the story is that the bad teacher can slug along cashing his checks.
     
    Again – students indirectly employ teachers to attain knowledge and not a specific grade –
    if I pay x and the teacher teaches and I study 10 hours, I receive a D,
    if I pay x and the teacher teaches and I study 20 hours, I receive a C,
    if I pay x and the teacher teaches and I study 30 hours, I receive a B, and
    if I pay x and the teacher teaches and I study 40 hours, I receive an A

    However – this is also dependent on the teacher teaching – he is an employee, or contractor that the university hired for my benefit and money to educate me in the subject area, because this contract is based on both parties contributing to the result.

    (The bus prof was used as an example of diregarding students’ time and then general poor customer service. When I walk in to class, after paying my income tax and tuition, I don’t expect to be marginalized by someone making excuses.)

    (The table is overly simplified and I realize that putting 40 hours in to study will not assure an A)

  • http://twitter.com/IanDerk Ian Derk

     I agree with your point so long as there are two exceptions:

    1.  When I teach the study skills course (which deals with college habits), I do give grades for attendance.  Since the purpose of the class is to change some of their old habits (quite a few students wind up there because they’ve not done so well), there’s a good reason for giving grades for attendance.

    2.  I have automatic drop-dates for lower-division courses.  In many cases, this allows for students who miss several sessions (more often due to crisis or poor understanding of drop procedures) to get a W rather than an F.  This works for my population because many are developmental students and/or students returning to college after years of work or military service.  It isn’t an escape route for a student near the end, but it’s a way to show some mercy.

  • mnprof

     Agreed.

  • tuxthepenguin

    You’re just new to the business if you haven’t heard this before.

    What the students are buying is the right to attend lectures, participate in the classes in which they enroll, and take the exams. They’re buying this “product” from the university. The final “output” of the university is an assessment of how much the student knows about the material covered in the classes in which they were enrolled. If the student’s performance was good enough, the university will even award him with a degree.

    Of course it’s nice if the student enjoys the experience, and obviously professors need to provide lectures that help the students learn, but none of that is part of the “product” being sold.

    Professors can be viewed as either professionals or consultants. If you go to the doctor, the doctor tells you what to do and diagnoses you as she sees fit. The doctor does not entertain you because you are paying her salary. She’s certainly not going to give you the prescriptions you want just because you’re paying for her time.

    If you hire a marketing consultant, the consultant is expected to provide you with specific information that will help you run your business. If you say, “by the way, I’m paying you’re salary, so dance for me” the response will be the middle finger. There’s a big difference between buying something and being someone’s boss.

    Of course, if the student wants a personalized experience, I can certainly help him out on my own time. My rate is $150 per hour plus expenses.

  • kcmalibrary

    In the same way a person can choose another doctor, each student has the right to choose another university, another class, another teacher. I work in Academic Support and it always surprises me the range of responses we hear about the same teacher– one student claims a teacher is the absolute best, the funniest, the most interesting and engaging prof they’ve ever had, while another student will claim the same professor is boring and uninspired.

    A lot of this is relative and subjective.

  • carolprestonbrown

    Lemeash, I see those students as well and refer them to the appropriate resources.  In one of the services we offer in our department, we track the students throughout the term because they are at high risk of “disappearing” regardless of which class they are taking that term.  We still lose some.  I believe the collaboration between departments would keep some of these students from slipping into the Twilight Zone and help them to choose door #2:  perseverance with resource and guidance which may lead to success.  I don’t believe there is anything fool-proof.  Still, I believe we can increase the number of completers.  

  • emurk278

    “This statement clearly suggests which department employs you and your
    romanticism toward teaching.”A department that values learning and
    teaching? Personally, I’d prefer, over anyone else, an instructor that
    feels romantic towards–and a responsibility for–teaching and
    learning.

    Too right.  I was under the impression that, as teachers, we are all romantics toward the subject.  How exactly can teaching occur without emotion or passsion?  Students would never respond to somebody who stands in front of the room drolly reading out of a book. 

    We must be romantics in this regard; we are all waiting for those students who show up legitimately wanting to learn something that will matter to them, and when those students do show up (because even rare gems sometimes will), we hold on to that ideal.

  • haokaiwen

    I have recently begun to remind my students that they pay thousands of dollars for the privilege of coming TO class. So when they opt out of coming to class, they are giving the university money. I tell them that to get their money’s worth, they should actually sit in on MORE classes, demand MORE work. Heck, even do more student activities. And I also remind them that by missing class and paying for it, they’re actually acting dumber than the students they graduated with who didn’t go off to college (many of whom they probably denigrated) and who are working and making money — even in low-wage jobs — instead of paying not to go class and paying not to take advantage of being on a college or university campus. And often going hundreds of miles away from home to do so. 

  • penumbra84

    I understand the point underlying what you’re saying–that if there’s no tangible benefit to attending classes, it’s just economical for a student not to come–but the assumption that the point of a class is entirely to prepare students for performance on tests or assignments seems to me to miss the point of, at least, discussion-based classes (I should say here that I teach the humanities, though I think at least some educators in other areas would back me up). I find the in-class effort expended working together to generate interpretations not *only* good as preparation for assignments but *also* as a good in itself. So, I guess I would say that, in these circumstances, the value of attending class is that communal thought is valuable (you could make a point connecting it to a functional democracy, also) over and above the payoff of a grade.

  • nacrandell

    Unfortunately students often do not have the opportunity to choose another university because of cost, location and scheduling. Applying the current pop phrase of ‘free market’ does not necessarily mean that it is so and possible. This monopoly of education is the main cause for the rise of online programs which may or may not be legitimate.

    What concerns me about this article is the general attitude toward all students by disregarding their monetary investment in the university and the specific class. Dismissing the working relationship between educator and student abdicates both responsibility and accountability of the educator. The educator is a tool that the student can use, like the library or textbook, to increase their knowledge and skills on a subject.

    As to the students reviews – analysis is not reading the reviews but interpreting them.

  • mxims

    In addition to learning the course material by showing up for class, a student also can learn how to present his/her ideas effectively, a skill that many employers these days tell me is sorely lacking in the a great many recent college graduate job applicants.  (I assist students in searching for internships.)  I know this first hand.  When I was in college, I was quite unsure of my knowledge, ideas, and perspectives. (I was born into a very abusive family, so no one really cared very much what I thought or said.)  My professors pushed me to share my ideas in discussion.  Sometimes it was so painful to be leaned on that much that I’d go back to my dorm room and cry.  But these instructors compelled me to think things through, to analyze, to critique, to frame my argument, and to speak persuasively.  The more I attended class, knowing that I was going to have to participate actively, the better I became at it.  The result was that I also became a professor (giving 10+ lectures every week,  leading meetings for three major university committees, and speaking at several international venues each year) and an award-winning lecturer.  Had I not gone to class and been challenged in that way, I’d likely still be afraid to voice my thoughts on anything.  Were those classes I attended always stimulating — no.  But when the content wasn’t particularly challenging, it was my responsibility to challenge myself to be better for having taken the course.  I think some people forget whose education this is.  The professor provides the fuel (the knowledge), but the student doesn’t get very far if he/she doesn’t take responsibility for stepping on the accelerator.     

  • friendlyfire

    For some amazing reason that I don’t comprehend and have issues with, my institution allows unrestricted withdrawal up to and including the last day of class.  And I’ve had a number of students who have struggled all quarter, barely participating and not doing any of the homework, just to pull the chord and bail out at the last possible moment.  I really have to wonder what students like that think they’ve gained, if anything.  It seems like a complete waste of time that could be better applied to another course they have at least some desire to complete.  One possible reason for all of this, however, is that the Add Period ends after the first week, so that’s probably the boat they’re in:  by the start of week 2 they have nowhere else to go, so they just keep showing up until they don’t want to anymore.