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March 2, 2011, 8:00 am

ePortfoliosMany ProfHacker readers maintain a professional web presence, and some academics have even used a web site for presenting their materials for consideration for tenure and/or promotion (see, for example, Kathleen Fitzpatrick’s and Cheryl Ball’s work). Electronic portfolios can be an excellent way to present one’s work.

What about e-portfolios for students, though? At the end of January I was fortunate to attend the E-Portfolio Forum held at the end of the annual meeting of the American Association of Colleges and Universities. The Forum focused on the use of e-portfolios for student learning and assessment.

Because sessions were held concurrently, I really can’t give a full overview of the day. What follows instead are some questions that I came away with as someone with an interest in the potential for the use of e-portfolios, both for individual courses and across campus.

  • How can we best promote student investment in and ownership of the e-portfolio process?
  • Should e-portfolios function primarily as showcases of students’ best finished work, or ought students to include works in progress, or even ideas that may still be germinating?
  • Should e-portfolios be private or public? If public, what are the benefits of that, and how can legitimate privacy concerns be dealt with?
  • Who should choose the platform for the e-portfolio? The student? The institution? Some combination of both? (An interesting note: Salt Lake Community College appears to have taken a “both-and” approach on this question. When creating the e-portfolio they’ll use as part of their general education program, students may choose from three supported platforms: Yola, Weebly, or WordPress. They’re also free to choose a different platform if they wish; they just can’t count on support for it.)
  • Are e-portfolios best used within a particular course? A particular department or program? Across an entire campus?

Let’s hear from you. What questions are important to ask when considering asking students to make use of e-portfolios? If your campus uses e-portfolios, how have they been implemented, and what have the experience and results been like? Let us know in the comments.

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  • jpegan

    I use e-portfolios in my online Master of Education course. All student assignments are forward facing with any level of security the student prefers. Students are encouraged to give one another feedback as a formative assessment strategy; I provide summative assessment feedback (and scores) via our LMS. Embedded across the various assignment is a reflective component–and students are encouraged to the use the main “blogging” page of their WordPress MU site to reflect on any aspect of their learning in the course.

    Part of our strategy is to align our espoused values with our practices. We encourage the leveraging of technologies that are appropriate for the educational task(s) at hand–rather than technology for technology’s sake. So using e-portfolios is a concrete way of modelling how an ostensibly non-educational technology (blogging; specifically via WordPress) can be leveraged in a way that encourages deep learning. It also gives them hands-on experience with WordPress as a web design platform.

    Students in this program also have an option to complete a summative capstone e-portfolio for their entire program; those who have taken my course are advantaged to some extent–and can easily port content between WordPress blog sites.

  • bccreference

    I teach a one credit ePortfolios course at Broome Community College. The focus is career, showcase ePortfolios, but we are beginning to use it for student assessment in one of the departments. I encourage students to define their own ePortfolios as possibly working portfolios where they are uploading and reflecting on artifacts that are in progress or to showcase their work. The course focuses on reflection, self-definition and professionalism.

    We have used a few platforms and are currently using WordPress. We will be moving to WordPress MU in the fall. I look forward to having some students create their own themes to increase ownership of their sites. In the fall we will include BuddyPress to add a social networking component encouraging increased feedback from peers and instructors. Students are familiar with WordPress, since many use it for their courses or for themselves and they learn more about the flexibility of the platform in the course.

    BCC began using ePortfolios with Engineering Technology departments three years ago as part of grant initiative and now we have a required course for Business Information Technology students, which is open to all students. As jpegan mentioned below we include peer reviews as well as an instructor assessment of the student’s ePortfolio. The student chooses if they want to keep their ePortfolio public or private.

    I think you brought up an interesting point about student choice of ePortfolio platforms. It is something that is important to encourage ownership of the student’s portfolio. I like Salt Lake Community College’s “both-and” approach.

  • jelizabethclark

    Hi Amy,

    Thanks so much for this great overview of the forum. For those who are interested, the folks at California Virtual Campus (CVC) taped many of the sessions. They aren’t available yet, but they will be: http://www.cvc.edu.

    I think you really point to a variety of the kinds of important questions raised now that ePortfolios are a wide-spread practice in higher ed. You also point to some of the disconnects in the language around ePortfolio (who is using them? How? How are they connected across campus?).

    Nice post!

  • gapage

    Thanks for the timely article! At our university we promote the use of e-portfolios and the philosophy of authentic assessment, lifelong and active learning, and the importance of being a reflective practitioner via the formative/summative portfolio. I have been particularly interested in the tools used for creating and maintaining the student e-portfolio. I have been evaluating the work of students, and the experiences with such tools as EPSILEN (http://epsilen.com) Mahara (http://mahara.com), Wikispaces, Google Sites, as well as the WYSIWYG Weebly interface (http://weebly.com). Because of the high degree of tech skill variance in the college student population, is it best to scaffold the e-portfolio process through an in-house tool or should students be allowed to out source their work where the support may be questionable?

    I am very interested in the e-portfolio tech tools that other institutions of higher education have adopted. What level of support? Hosting? Workshops? Caveats? I am concerned about the reliability of the Web 2.0 tools and their longevity. To what extent are faculty adopting e-portfolio’s in their personal practice (Do as I say…not as I do)? Many thanks for considering my questions!

  • richrobles

    The University of Cincinnati Honors Program requires students to build and maintain an e-portfolio during their participation in the program. This requirement has been in place since 2008. The questions you raise are similar to the issues we took into account when selecting a third-party vendor to facilitate our platform. We started a webpage outlining the purpose of e-portfolios (http://www.uc.edu/honors/academics/eportfolios.html). As we have a cohort of students complete the program with e-portfolios we will post more information, resources and the like.

    Feel free to contact me with additional questions.

    Rich Robles
    University of Cincinnati Honors Program
    513.556.6255
    rich.robles@uc.edu

  • dmtedards

    I attended the same forum on the e-portfolio in San Francisco with a colleague from our Center for Teaching and Learning. A couple of reflections: not much has changed in the last 3-5 years in terms of struggling to figure out the best way to get student buy-in with portfolios as a longitudinal learning tool across the curriculum and within general education; faculty and administrators often rush to place portfolios in the context of program assessment and accountability rather than starting with student learning, intellectual growth, and self-reflection as the primary purposes for asking students to build and maintain portfolios, paper-based, electronic, or both. Our fits and starts with portfolios on this campus suggest that we need to identify disciplines, faculty, and student degree programs that would benefit most from using portfolios and pilot them to create a new culture of portfolio usage among students and faculty who find them to be useful, easy to maintain, and truly relevant to their educational experiences.

  • teachercontinue

    In my Independent Travel Study class at California Lutheran University, I use e-portfolios to provides a personalized academic program. The class is based on actual or virtual trips using the computer. I have used a few platforms including WordPress. I look forward to having students create their own program and hope to add a social networking element.

    Great article

  • maximise

    I like the questions, although I am somewhat intrigued that people should still be asking them after so many years of ePortfolio exploration. Here are my responses:

    1. How can we best promote student investment in and ownership of the e-portfolio process?

    There are two major aspects of an ePortfolio that will promote student investment. (a) Firstly, ownership. If students can stamp their own identity on the application if colour schemes, font-styles, added graphics and widgets can be incorporated then there develops a sense of ownership, “Look, this is ME!” (b) It is not much use investing effort in creating a well-organised collation of artefacts, reflections etc if the students cannot take their ePortfolios with them on to their next posting, whether HE, employment or even ‘between jobs’. – Simply, if an ePortfolio is not portable it can hardly be called an ePortfolio.

    2. Should e-portfolios function primarily as showcases of students’ best finished work, or ought students to include works in progress, or even ideas that may still be germinating?

    It must be both. The one main repository will certainly contain artefacts of which the student has pride enough to want to show to others, possibly publicly. However, in getting to that stage, some items will still be in the process of development, perhaps needing peer-review or mentoring. Yes, even a place to put scrap ideas, half finished drafts, plans or collations of references or bibliographic notes.

    3. Should e-portfolios be private or public? If public, what are the benefits of that, and how can legitimate privacy concerns be dealt with?

    A good ePortfolio tool will allow both. eFolio for instance requires, on setup, the student’s Date of Birth and if under 19yrs will automatically set the ePortfolio to private. Youngsters can then allocate ‘permissions’ to parents, teachers, mentors or peers to see selected pages. Again, a good system will allow 19+ students to make certain ‘views’ public whilst leaving others as private.

    4. Who should choose the platform for the e-portfolio? The student? The institution? Some combination of both? (An interesting note: Salt Lake Community College appears to have taken a “both-and” approach on this question. When creating the e-portfolio they’ll use as part of their general education program, students may choose from three supported platforms: Yola, Weebly, or WordPress. They’re also free to choose a different platform if they wish; they just can’t count on support for it.)

    Although I like the idea of students choosing their own applications, as a teacher, I would not relish having to adjust to navigating around several different systems. After all, if the institution is to encourage whole-school implementation then all staff should be able to familiarise themselves with the tools that the students are using. There is a special synergy when all staff and students are using the same system. Collaboration, messaging and use of a variety of Web2.0 tools would make for an horrendous duplication of functionalities. But, I suppose it will also depend on the age of the students. The list of three ‘supported platforms’ are mere websites or blogging tools and only include a small fraction of the functionality of a real ePortfolio. Although ‘Free’ in their basic state there are obvious inadequacies (including support) that require paying for. Personally, I would not call any of these tools an ePortfolio!

    5. Are e-portfolios best used within a particular course? A particular department or program? Across an entire campus?

    Yes, quite possible to use across a whole campus, particularly if all faculty have had previous equal opportunity to staff training and access to workstations. However, introductions are often best done incrementally. Some successful implementations have started, with younger students, in pastoral contexts, or ‘learning to learn’ sessions. Concerning multi-media, some subjects, like Design & Technology lend themselves to the use of graphics, Drama Studies might use video or Language lessons might start by using MP3 recordings. Quite simply, I believe that every department can start from within their own experiences, and quite soon students will take the initiative to use a whole variety of rich-media throughout all subject areas.

    Please see http://www.maximise-ict.co.uk/eFolio-01.htm or
    http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1257988770 Tiffany Schureman

    I know that archivists would appreciate all the good help they can get.  I know I would.

  • opencontent

    In the 1997 film adaptation of Carl Sagan’s Contact, S. R. Hadden teaches Ellie Arroway “the first rule of government spending: why have one when you can have two for twice the price?”

    If only! When it comes to curriculum materials like textbooks, practice exercises, test item banks, instructional videos, and online simulations, our government, universities, and schools are more than happy to pay for them again, and again, and a hundred thousand times again, year after year.

    This made sense in the days before the advent of the Internet, when students had to compete for access to educational materials. In those days, if Johnny was using the calculator, Jenny had to wait her turn; if Mary was reading the science book, Mark had to wait his turn. Schools needed to purchase a calculator and a science book for each child in school if they wanted each child to have ready access to these resources.

    Since the advent of the Internet, the competitive nature of educational materials has disappeared. While Susie is running calculations in the online chemistry laboratory, another million students are using it too; while Johnny is exploring genetics in the online simulator, another million students are too. It’s just like when you read the news on CNN.com while a million other people do, too – we don’t have to wait our turn for the newspaper any more.

    An online educational resource is different from a physical educational resource because every student can use the same online resource at the same time. We don’t need to buy a copy for every student in the nation / state / school – one copy is enough for everyone! Yet despite this fact, schools in the state still enter into contracts with commercial online curriculum providers that require them to pay for a “copy” for each and every student. What a waste!

    But it gets worse. In the past we took some solace after paying the huge bill for all those calculators and textbooks in knowing that, once we paid for them, third graders could use them for many years to come, or undergraduates could sell them back. Unfortunately, commercial curriculum providers don’t sell ebooks or online curriculum materials – they rent them to schools and students, generally on a one-year contract. This means that in addition to paying for tens of thousands of copies when only one copy would suffice, we pay for permission to use each of these copies again next year, and pay for them all again the next year, and then again the next…

    These commercial online curriculum licenses are perhaps the single biggest waste of taxpayer dollars in all of government spending, and that’s really saying something. Our students and schools pay for tens of thousands of copies, and pay for them again and again, year after year, when simply producing one copy owned by the public would suffice.

    Commercial online curriculum providers understand the new economics of creating and distributing digital content via the Internet – that you can create one copy and sell access to it millions of times with no reproduction, warehousing, or shipping costs. These commercial providers take lucrative advantage of the fact that our governments, universities, and school districts do not understand these new economics. And it’s their prerogative to continue to pillage the villagers as long as we remain ignorant.

    Rather than remain in the dark about the new economics, our governments, universities, and school districts should do their homework, wise up, and use taxpayer dollars to create a collection of online educational resources that the public can pay for once and then own and reuse indefinitely. Understanding and leveraging these new economics to the public’s advantage will save our cash-starved education systems a significant amount of money that can be redirected to other worthy areas.

    The National Institutes of Health (NIH) provide an excellent model. Some years ago they recognized that because taxpayers pay for the research they fund, the results of that research should be freely available to the public. Under the old paradigm, taxpayer money went to NIH, which funded research, which was then published in copyrighted journals, which universities and others had to pay to read. So taxpayers actually paid for this research many times over – once to fund it, and then again and again for every public education institution in their state who subscribed to the journals. And the public still had no access to those research results (since the vast majority of the public are not affiliated with a university).

    Rather than continue to waste taxpayer dollars so egregiously, paying for research several times over, the NIH Public Access Policy (which became official in April 2008, also known as the “NIH mandate”) now states that each and every one of the final, peer-reviewed journal manuscripts reporting NIH funded research must be placed in a publicly accessible (free) digital archive (see http://publicaccess.nih.gov/). As a consequence, taxpayers no longer pay multiple times over for access to the results of research they funded in the first place.

    Education should take the same path. Any and all curriculum materials whose development is funded with taxpayer dollars should be freely and openly available to the public. We paid for them, they belong to us, and it is nothing short of stupid for a university or school district to pay for them a second, third, or 500,000th time. Publicly-funded educational materials should belong to the public, and there is no reasonable justification for claiming otherwise. Congrats to the Department of Education for getting this right, and here’s to the rest of government following their enlightened lead!

  • bhughes316

    This is a terrific discourse, even if it was motivated by some faulty reporting. I was at the panel where this was discussed, and there was no disdain from commercial publishers for OER, but rather a recognition that it could play an important role in driving innovation in the sector and meeting needs that commercial providers don’t. Without a clear understanding of the full costs of what publishers do, though, the risk is that the public thinks it is getting free beer, and it gets a free puppy instead.

    But controversy sells, I guess…

  • cable_green

    (1) The US Federal Government has, for decades, provided grants to higher education to produce new research and educational content. To say it is “dangerous for [the Federal Government] to be in the product business” is irrelevant. The Department of Labor (DOL) is exercising rational, responsible public policy that more efficiently uses public tax dollars to improve educational opportunities.

    The DOL has put forth a simple, effective public policy: Taxpayer-funded educational resources should be open educational resources. 

    Open educational resources (OER) are teaching, learning, and research resources that reside in the public domain or have been released under an intellectual property license that permits their free use or re-purposing by others.

    Information that is designed, developed and distributed through the generosity of public tax dollars should be accessible to the public that paid for it — without undue restrictions or
    limits.

    If you think about this open policy, it makes sense. We, the American taxpayers, should get what we paid for.

    (2) Karen Cator is correct: the commercial publishers (textbook, journals, etc.) should be embracing and supporting this new public policy. When publicly funded digital content (courses, textbooks, data, research, etc.) is openly licensed with a CC BY license — http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0 — everyone can use and modify the open content to meet their needs — including the commercial publishers. 

    Moreover, the CC BY license does not restrict commercialization of the open content. To be clear, the commercial publishers can take all $2B of content created in this DOL grant, change it, make it better, add value, and sell it. The consumer (states, colleges, students) will then have a choice: (a) use the free openly licensed version(s) or (b) purchase the commercial for-a-fee version. If the commercial content / services are worth paying for, people will pay. If not, they won’t.

    Next step? We should applaud the Departments of Labor and Education for their work
    and encourage all US Federal agencies to follow suit: require CC BY licenses on all content produced with federal funding.

    Cable Green
    Director of Global Learning
    Creative Commons

  • http://tomcaswell.com/ tom4cam

    (reposting comment from Thursday — it was omitted for some reason)

    RWEJD,

    I appreciate your criticisms. I take a fairly practical approach to
    the open licensing of educational content, and I see no reason to
    exclude publishers from this discussion. Should the government require
    an open license on all these materials? Absolutely.

    What publishers are experiencing is a sped-up version of the
    disruption that occurred to icemen with the invention and spread of
    electric refrigerators. Some in the ice delivery industry made the
    transition to selling refrigerators and some did not, largely because
    some were focused on keeping food cool and others were only focused on
    selling ice.

    If Pearson won’t take $X million to create an openly licensed, high
    quality Human Anatomy textbook, maybe Soomo will. Open licensing means
    the publisher will need to learn to do business differently. Open licensing is a game changer, a much-needed efficiency, and it is here to stay.

    The Open Course Library is an interesting hybrid in this open
    educational content experiment. I work in a system that serves nearly
    500,000 community and technical college students in the state of
    Washington. A carefully selected group of our best faculty are
    currently drawing from the world’s OER materials to produce open
    (CC-BY) digital curriculum for 81 of our highest enrolling courses. We
    are doing this with the assistance of talented librarians,
    accessibility experts, and instructional designers who are Quality
    Matters Master Reviewers. Our attempt is not perfect, but it is a
    strong one, and I expect others will build on it. The project is
    described at http://opencourselibrary.org.

    The Open Course Library has not closed the door on publishers, but
    it does require them to work with pricing limits aimed at driving down
    the cost of textbooks. Many have responded. Several Open
    Course Library courses use texts from Cengage, Pearson, McGraw-Hill,
    and Flat World Knowledge. Their materials are not free or open, but we have required them to be offered to the world (not just our system) for less than $30 US, and are paired with open curriculum. This is
    how our system is pulling together the best OER, identifying any gaps, and working with low cost commercial materials until more high quality,
    open, shareable, free textbooks are made available.

  • http://twitter.com/skydaddy Corrie Bergeron

    A little late to this conversation, though I saw the original post on a local email list this week and responded there.

    @bhughes316, the free puppy / free beer analogy applies in some fields, but not all.  What annual updates are there (really) to Algebra, Calculus, or the History of Western Civilization?  Yet publishers force students to buy new (not used!) editions every other year.  

    @RWEJD:disqus makes some very cogent points, especially regarding interoperability (hello, folks – IEEE1484, anyone?  Anyone? Beuller?)

    But…

    On the scale of US government spending, $100M is very nearly a rounding error.  NASA spent more than twice that much for a launch tower for the now-canceled Ares rocket.  

    Yes, $100M was the market  cap of PLATO when I worked there in the mid-to-late 90′s. But that was a publicly-traded company controlled by MBAs with a clear market and profit motive, as opposed to a loose collection of universities, colleges, and departments controlled by Ph.D.s whose market is ill-defined and constantly shifting, who are new (and usually hostile) to the idea of treating education as a business, and who are waking up from a long sleep of freely-flowing funding to new and harsh fiscal realities.

    As to high-quality, easily-found, editable, open resources, Google this phrase: “free college algebra textbook”  Stitz and Zeager didn’t even use IEEE1484 metadata.  Google’s getting pretty smart.

    @tom4cam:disqus  made the same point I did in my response to the list – the publishers need to realize that they’re in the business of creating content, not printing books.  Newspapers got that wake-up call a few years ago.  It’s been painful and ugly for the ones who have not been able to adapt.

    And as  @wayne macintosh pointed out, these are still early days for Open Content.  Just as with the dawn of the automobile, the airplane, and the moving picture, there will be slow and incremental progress (punctuated by the Great Leap of Insight) together with wasted effort and spectacular crashes.

    Except that it will all happen at Web 2.0 speeds.

  • jackyhood

    Government has a place in educational resources. That place is enforcement of copyrights including open licenses. Taking money from citizens and buying OER from academics is the antithesis of the concept of open. Open licensing is about sharing. Forcing people from all walks of life to pay for the creation of educational materials is the opposite of sharing. To add insult to injury, the $2B came from pushing the banks out of the student loan business and taking it over by the government. The $2B should be given back to the taxpayers and they should choose how to spend it. Some will choose education. Some will spend it on beer and NASCAR races; this riles the PhDs who think they have the right to rule others. Education is far too important to be the province of government. With the power to tax and to choose what gets produced, all other players will be eliminated.

  • rich_hershman

     That is a little self serving don’t you think? Creative Commons has been lobbying federal and state governments to make it the official license model.  That is reflected in CC public comments on several request for comments.  This is not to put down in any way Creative Commons and the value it has brought to the table and the void it has filled between copyright and public domain, but why mandate a specific license program from a specific organization. Maybe there are other license models or standards that will emerge.  Maybe some government developed or supported content should just be public domain as it has been done long before Creative Commons was formed.   Rather than prescribe a specific license category produced by an independent non-government entity that is not accountable to taxpayers, the government should specify what content is covered and how it may be used and made available.  Suggesting Creative Commons as an example yes, mandating a specific organization’s licensing model, no.

  • nmireles

    True. I actually foresee publishers being “creative” enough to take advantage of this. 

    They will confirm the principles of freedom to reuse, readapt, remix, etc. of OER.

    Publishers business model, just as HEIs teaching model, are over as we know them.

  • v8573254

    As one who has taught in both settings, I second your recommendation.

  • jenny456

    Good career advice.  I agree with Mr. Lopez, teaching is a public service similar in sacrifice to the military.  I taught high school for three years, called it my tour of duty, and am now teaching community college.  High school was a great experience, but I found it unsustainable.  Seven classes a day, five days a week with zero breaks (is that even legal??)  That’s thirty-five classes a week–what college professor could do that?  Of course they could, but the result is less than stellar teaching.  America, hear this, if a human being teaches seven classes with no break and then stays to sell tickets at the basketball game or to sponosr play practice until nine or ten o’clock, what kind of a teacher do you think they will be the next day?  All the standardized tests in the world can’t touch a daily structure that is not conducive to good teaching (and learning, I would argue).
    My grade schooler loves school and (therefore) wants to be a teacher.  I am doiing my best to steer her toward college teaching. 

  • lutoslawski

    College teaching is the best career in the world, but only if you’re lucky enough to be employed full time and receive benefits.  Right now,  upwards of 70% of college teaching is done by “contingent” faculty or adjuncts, some of whom are paid so poorly they need food stamps to get by.  I would think twice about steering my child in this direction.  Public schools at least offer full-time employment.

  • yellow1

    I’d still take my scraping by adjunct days over my full time middle school teaching days. Sorry. The money and security was better as that full time middle school teacher, sure, and I only had to work on one campus. However, dealing with oftentimes 100 parents a week (forget the students) at the middle school was a nightmare I will not return to. I’ll take the occasional helicopter parent, maybe 1 a week, that I have to deal with now at a two year college.

  • yellow1

    But…we have to treat our adjuncts better. I made that career decision, but I know many in my position would have kept the full time job, benefits, retirement, and pay. My adjunct life was stressful because of that lack of stability. The job itself was awesome.

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  • leah_shopkow

    In most school corporations, teachers don’t get summers “off.” They are ten-month employees and don’t get paid for their summers. In many cases when they are “paid” over the summer, this is because they have elected to have their paychecks paid out over twelve months rather than ten.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1664161457 Carol Solheim

    After 38 years teaching public high school I finally retired last June.  Loved the work and loved the students, but the stress finally got to me.  Too much time was taken away from teaching what I loved–English and American Literature and Writing– for test preparation.  Often I was at work at 6:30 am and seldom left before 5pm on a good day. Much of what occupied my non-teaching time, was work that used to be done by the school secretaries, but with constant budget cuts more of that work was put on the back of teachers.  Add to that the public conversation of being public enemy number 1 for the last five years and I am amazed that anyone stays.  If veteran teachers are throwing in the towel, what makes us think that we are going to be able to attract a new generation of teachers?   

  • greenhills73

    I forgot to mention that when my dad was at home, he spent a great deal of time creating unique tests and quizzes and grading papers…all unpaid time.  

  • greenhills73

    This is exactly what my father did.

  • lynnkerie

    As an adjunct in a community college state-wide system that is trying to develop a union for adjuncts and an ex-teacher from within the high school arena, I wouldn’t go back to the secondary system for anything. Daily, I felt like I was taking my life in my hands.

    Yes, being an adjunct right now is really tough… please read this article sent to me by our union field rep about how many of us with post grad or terminal degrees are beginning to need Food Stamps, Aid to Families and Children, WIC, Medicare and other governmental assistance programs  just to get by.  As the article said, who knew the path to a Ph.D. job would lead us to a welfare level of income.

    But even now, the overwhelming students I deal with today need developmental classes that aren’t even at high-school level. They are studying basic levels of math including adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing and learning 5th to 8th grade vocabulary. I love my students, I love my job but I can’t figure out how they got out of high school in the first place.

  • DaleGNY

    Well, I could have written that myself but I am a nurse  and undersatnd your frustartion. Respect is difficult to earn, yet very easy to lose. We hold people’s lives in our hands everyday. For me it is the “physical person”, for a teacher it is the “intellectual person”. Both jobs are underpaid and not respected. Tell your kids to be engineers…

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeffpaulcarpenter Jeff Carpenter

    I taught high school and middle school for 10 years, and have now worked at the college level for two. I do not share the author’s pessimism about the high school teaching profession. Although some of the external factors he notes are real, and can be a hassle, what happens inside the classroom can still be profoundly rewarding.

    Teenagers are much maligned in our society, but I found they taught me plenty, made be laugh quite a lot, and inspired more hope in me for the future than do many of the adults I encounter in life. Although I enjoy my current job, I miss the degree of impact I could have on a 9th grader having some of the first original ideas of her life, or the refugee student adjusting to a completely new lifestyle. High school is an incredibly important and fascinating time in life, and whether or not society chose to be thankful for the work I did there, every day I felt like I was doing something worthwhile.
    Now, by virtue of my position in higher education, work conditions are better in some ways … but sometimes, for a fleeting moment, when I finding myself spending more & more time in meetings and playing other elements of the game of academia I actually (shock!) wish I was back with a group of 25-30 teenagers.

  • alleyoxenfree

    The only correction I’d make is that most teachers don’t spend all day, every day, with 25-30 kids.  They spend all day, every day, with six or seven periods of 35-40 DIFFERENT kids.  Effectively, every semester, they must figure out how to spend their day with, conservatively, 210-280 kids – when most parents can barely stand their own two or three.  To boot, teachers must figure out how to actually teach those hundreds of kids, which standing on their feet 8-10 hours at a stretch, often without a bathroom break. 

    At my highest courseload in college, I taught 125-170 students and knew at least 125 by name.  It almost did me in.  It’s hard to think of another job in America that requires what K-12 teaching does.

  • http://bonalibro.us Bonalibro

    That’s probably because most of them don’t send their children to public school. On the other hand, just try to get them to put real money where their mouths are and raise teacher pay. I think you will find the cheap sentiments evaporating and the long knives coming out. 

  • Veritatus

    Besides being 
    overpaid whiners who do a poor job teaching our kids, (which is all true), public school teachers are now sexual predators who in their sheer numbers and % of their population make Irish Catholic priests look like pikers. The interesting thing is that women teachers (who make up the vast majority of course) have really taken to the Mrs. Robinson deviancy and sexual crime. Public schools should all be dismantled and privatized. Unionism has destroyed the quality of education and especially the quality of educators in this country to the point of it being an epidemic crisis that’s about 40 yrs. old now. Thanks to the NEA and AFT and their moneylaundering client-customers, Demorat politicians at all levels, we’re guaranteed to have entire generations of Americans able to do little more than squirt the special sauce onto their immigrant or foreign corporate masters’ lunch items. I almost forgot that other Democreep group who are so much a part of the cause of bad discipline in the gubment screwls…how could I forget the trial lawyers of America who encourage everyone to sue for any reason at all, especially if spoiled-rotten Johnny gets yelled at by his teacher because little Johnny was turning the classroom into a zoo with his behavior. Thanks trial lawyers, you’re to blame too, for terrifying administrators and teachers into a state of apoplectic fear of doing what’s required to keep an orderly classroom and thus a place where children can learn. Problem in education……Dems, plain and simple.  

  • Veritatus

    illusions, not dilusions. Hope you weren’t teaching English, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you were. American public screwl teachers graduate in the bottom third of their graduating classes, nationwide. I agree with your last paragraph completely, the “education” major is for the barely educated and produces teachers who know nothing of a subject and thus are capable of teaching nothing. Education depts. at colleges and unies are nothing more than a racket…a legalized racket. 

  • pnedry

    Mr/Ms Veritatus–
    Your rant sounds like you made a bad career choice when you didn’t pursue a career in education.  Had you done so, all of the ills of society would have been avoided.  I am so disappointed in your decision and what you have failed to fix.

  • pnedry

     Veritatus–Your inspiration has no end.  In fact, it doesn’t have much of a beginning either.

  • EasyReader

    I have to agree with the author on many points.  I am related to someone who taught special-ed kids for over 10 years.  She was on anti-depressants the whole time.  As soon as she quit teaching, the depression went away.

  • jovictoria

    As a teacher educator, I find a mixture of student abilities, attitudes, and aptitudes at any level (for over 10 years I have been teaching novices, upper-level undergrads, and in-service teachers, with the occasional aspiring administrator thrown in for good measure). Much of what our programs teach are the techniques of educating the young, and techniques change and vary due to technological advances, societal changes, and public mood. While teaching is tough business these days, and the environment within which teachers work is admittedly somewhat hostile, the real reason most of our young adults seek entry into the field is due to their love of children, rather than their love of learning, which requires some intellectual elbow grease). While I generally avoid playing the blame game, what is most crucial for educational reform, I believe, is a change of culture. As Postman said, we (the public) are generally engaged in “amusing ourselves to death.” Our culture is not based on textual literacy, but rather on the interplay of images. We eschew deep learning, since whatever we need to know can generally be accessed via new technologies, new websites, new search engines, etc. We are fast-paced and superficial, have a history of mocking our literati as elite snobs, and in general avoid intellectualism like the plague. Why do we expect schooling to fix this? Teachers, parents, administrators, teacher educators, etc., are all caught in the same trap: a culture that prefers amusement to academic rigor can never get this story right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DanaCruikshank Dana Cruikshank

    I think this is useful stuff for those of us who are sometimes tempted to criticize K-12 teachers a bit too hard.

    It seems, however, (and no, I have no research to back this up, just an observation), that in many places we’re entering a sort-of death spiral with respect to teaching. It’s becoming more demanding, and the lives of students more impacted by outside factors, therefore student achievement is falling. Society sees this rightfully as a problem, but  we primarily criticize teachers and attempt to micromanage their approach to instruction, as the author describes. This makes a stressful and thankless job even more so, and so we burn out a lot of capable people and attract folks who simply (barely?) meet the minimum requirements, so student achievement falls, so we criticize teachers and micromanage…rinse and repeat. Not sure how we snap out of this cycle.

  • willardhall

    I spent 1967 in Vietnam. From 1974 to 2003 I served in a middle school classroom. I’d go back to SE Asia in a second if someone told me I had to spend another year in a public school in the US, especially today. Parents, if you love your children, don’t let them grow up to be teachers, at least not in the United States. And parents, if you find education lacking in the US, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

  • Veritatus

    Is that meant to be an argument? My inspiration is a belief that the pursuit of excellence is possible and worthy and that children are our most precious resources. Kind of the opposite of what inspires the NEA and AFT

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  • Veritatus

    How do you know I didn’t pursue a career in education? Wow, that’s an assumption based on nothing. Your sarcasm is fine with me, but it doesn’t change or refute any of the truths that you’re pretending to respond to. The teachers’ unions are evil and the principal reason what’s wrong with American education. The trial lawyers exacerbate an already bad situation. All true and your comment doesn’t even try to argue against that. It looks like the CHE is up to their old censoring of opinions they don’t like again. Leftist totalitarianism at the CHE no longer even pretends to be other than what it is…Stalinist.

  • proftowanda

    Not in my state, taken over by conservatives who publicly call public schoolteachers “thugs.”

    The thuggish behavior of my conservative governor and legislators is getting them recalled.

    And yet, my youngest just graduated three days ago with an education degree — and she was back in her classroom of first- through third-graders the next morning, unpaid, to complete her student teaching.  The first thing that she heard about that day was the firing of teachers, now that their union has been gutted by the governor.  So she, an unpaid student teacher, was asked to step in and take over a kindergarten class for the remaining four weeks.

    Fortunately, her thuggish college profs intervened and told the school district’s administrative thugs to think again.

  • sabbatical

    Wouldn’t the profession be easier and more gratifying, and the likelihood that students will learn something be higher, with smaller class sizes?  We’re going the wrong way in my school district, like many others, because of the ideology that all pooled public investment (also known as “taxes”) is a waste of money.  That seems penny-wise and pound-foolish.

  • matias_addy

    Interesting. I’m into my second term at a 2yr, and have thus far not encountered a single parent. (I understand that, in some situations, I would be able to refuse to talk to them, due to privacy laws.) What are your encounters like?

  • barkomatic

    In NYC, if you want your kids to have a decent education then you must be willing to spend a fortune on private school tuition–and that’s if your child can even get in.  It seems like this tragic situation will migrate all over the country soon, as conservative politicians focus on stripping public school budgets and weakening/busting teacher unions.  Their goal is ultimately the closure of public schools, since they believe its not the governments role to provide an education to your child.  They consider it “stealing” from wealthy individuals and corporations whose taxes pay for it.  Can’t afford private school? Then send your child to a work house or the military.  That is the ideal conservative world.  

  • shanna123

    I only check in on these websites/exchanges on an occasional basis. However, I am always amazed at how often the people who bitch the most about their lives and academic situations (e.g., Henry Adams, Robert Lopez) somehow find the time to constantly post/respond to just about every thread/article that gets posted on the CHE website. Maybe if they spent more time on their work their academic lives would be better?

  • blackoncampus2

    I think this is a very important point. In our nation, only certain occupations are considered “service.” Part of this is because our country has a lot more practice at understanding the highly visible sacrifices of our soldiers. A bigger part of the problem, however, is that we in the teaching profession have done a terrible job at communicating the true nature of our work. We have been insufficient at conveying both the rewards and the sacrifices of our work, as well as the long hours (including summers, weekends, and evenings).

  • lynnefox

    I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I feel like there’s an organized pr campaign undermining public school in an effort to either A) keep our kids ignorant, compliant and fit for low wage corporate jobs or B) to manipulate parents into enrolling our kids in for profit charter and online schools because we think we have to avoid public schools to give our kids a chance. (Is Wal Mart in the charter/online school business yet?) 

  • johnbarnes

    It’s very heartening to hear this from someone who trains teachers.  My short summary of the same issue to my college freshman advisees used to be “in high school your teachers thought their subjects were good things for young people to encounter.  In college your teachers think their disciplines are good things which worthy young people will master.”  Love of the subject matter is something we’re really failing to foster in the next generation of K-12 teachers (and that’s not their fault, for the most part).  Fix that and many more things would be easier to fix.

  • johnbarnes

    Even without having been high school teachers, the idea that”only” coping with 25-30 teenagers might be preferable would have been highly credible to me in my time on some college committees.

  • casamia

    Clearly your state is Wisconsin my home state as well.  A state where so many teaching “professionals” called in “sick” to protest the limiting of their labor unions power that school had to be closed in many of our cities for days at a time.  Protests that caused millions of dollars in damage, resulted in numerous assaults and death threats against our elected officials, and in general embarassed an entire state.  Yes I and many others consider this behavior by our teachers to be thuggish, what would you consider it to be?

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  • flbusbaby

    Public school teachers are under attack from all directions ~

    from  Mark Naison

    With the Occupy movement temporarily on the defensive, the wealthiest people in the country are escalating their attempt to remake public education in their image, using it to train obedient workers for an increasingly low wage labor force. The US Chamber of Commerce says as much in its campaign to mobilize its members to influence education and Michelle Rhee plans to raise 1 Billion dollars from the wealthiest people i the country to advance her agenda of charter schools, privatization and destroying teachers unions. Teachers, parents and students don’t have big money at our disposal, but we have our bodies and we have votes and if we mobilize effectively we can stop this offensive in its tracks. This petition drive, designed to press the President to take a stand against testing and privatization is one of our best weapons. Please consider signing and circulating to your friends. The stakes are very high.

    http://dumpduncan.org/

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  • ramanujam

    A tongue-in-cheek article, I would say. I have done this kind of bashing myself. And I am a college-level teacher.

  • robbenwainer

    I work with my own family in assisting them to focus their motivation on improving their ability to reason with their intellect. If I wasn’t a Teacher, I would still need to turn to external devices to compensate for a lack of means in providing guidance and becoming an example. You are on the right track, but to understand the roles of Educators we need to understand the roles of Therapists, Clergy, Social Workers, and Artists. I feel that a Teacher is a person who sees history in the making, by understanding that what comes next, must follow what comes first. If we did not have a reason to apply  skills to understanding learning strategies, we may still lack the incentive to understand the proper way to direct our focus and attention. 

  • http://twitter.com/OfstedWatch Ofsted Watch

    In England we also have ‘Ofsted’- the federal inspector of schools.Feared and loathed by many teachers! Another reason to stay away from teaching as a career!

  • gmanacheril

    We live in a country where freedom reigns, but we are not free to unionize! Organized bargaining is now called thuggish behavior! Protest and non-cooperation have been used in many countries successfully to advance the cause of labor and the downtrodden. Teachers have rights and the freedom to unionize is their right.A civilized democratic society should accept that instead of fighting teachers and calling them names!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1116454461 Ilat Dst

    I agree. I just wish more teachers who no longer have the passion nor skills would leave it. Is it a profession? Are professionals treated in the manner in which they are treated? That is debatable. Of course most professionals cannot decide they do not want to collaborate with others or wear jeans to work daily. Nor do professionals get told what to teach, when to teach, etc.

    I am strongly recommending that my children are not K-12 teachers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429158637 MaryBeth Garrigan

    Many teachers in our district work two positions, Math/Baseball Coach, English/ Theater production, and I am amazed at how many hours after school and during the weekends they put in for our children’s extra curricular, remedial, and special event activities …..during the school year it’s a 60-80 hour work week! They deserve the time they can recover during the summer after all their continuing ed course work!

  • heidil32

    I agree completely. I even see the lack of respect, lack of administration professionalism, and simple bashing at a two year college I adjunct at; even adjuncts get the full scale of the aforementioned. 

  • heidil32

     This is very true. I adjunct b/n two schools and it’s a fight to even get respect from full-time faculty in some regards. Financially, it is NOT a good idea. The most important thing in receiving any sort of Master’s degree in which you could teach, is to make sure you are able to have time away to look for a GOOD job.

  • http://www.facebook.com/OdeOya Odessa Mathis

    You mean teaching is worst than being a journalist in a war zone?

  • robjenkins

    Sometimes it’s a lot like being a journalist in a war zone.

  • v8573254

    Your every blog amazes me.
    p.s.  will you change your “late” paper policy next term?

  • alila5

    “I believe the petition represents students getting excited about future classes and about their education. The students are taking charge of their own education… they believe they can bring about changes in the world.” Hear, hear!

    They may not get what they want this time, and sometimes it may feel like hitting their heads against a wall, but students have more power regarding the operation of their colleges than they realize.

  • theatheist

    If our students and their families REALLY REALLY REALLY understood the way faculty are paid for and allocated (including, perhaps especially, those who do not teach) they would want to tear down the entire edifice and start over.

    Or they might just pick up their skateboards and forget about it.

  • raymond_j_ritchie

    Americans should learn to vote with their feet.  Get 2 years officially recongnised teaching experience and your daughter would be able to find a nice job in an international school overseas.  Move quietly to the door before it becomes a stampede.

  • polisciguy

    As one who currently is teaching in both and would like fix that by getting a full-time CC job, I also concur. 

  • duppy_conqueror

    I read that in NYC schools they were going to publish in the newspapers their K-12 school teachers’ class performance test scores. What other profession allows that?

  • rlion

    Who was causing the damage you speak of in your comment?  The teachers calling in sick to protest ?  I do not know much about the situation and this is why I ask.

  • rlion

    I do not know what you mean we have not done a good job communicating what we do.  How would you suggest we do that?  The perception has been out there for years that teachers do “nothing” all day mostly perpetuated by the media and stereotypes.  I love it when people say to me “All you do is teach”.  I respond by trying to explain how teaching is not a corporate 9-5 job.  If you have never taught your idea of what a teacher does all day is based on what you saw your teachers doing in K-12.  Of course those of us that teach know that what the students “see” us doing is the not “all” we do.  I agree with the author when he states that 
    Memo to any parents who buy that garbage: If your children are doing poorly in school, if they are spoiled and undisciplined, if they have no work ethic and no respect for authority, you are at fault, not the teachers. It’s not a teacher’s fault that your kids are allowed to get away with murder at home.  

     Even in a college setting students can be lazy, disrespectful, spoiled and undisciplined.  

  • rlion

    Why do you read CHE if you believe it is Stalinist?   Please give me the sources of your claims that  ”American public screwl teachers graduate in the bottom third of their graduating classes, nationwide”  

  • Veritatus

    I will be out of the office till May 23rd, and may not be able to immediately respond to e-mails. I will respond to your email as soon as I’m able. If urgent you may call me at 603-781-7082. Thanks! — Bill Asbell

  • optimist_realist

    Shanna, your name sounds like you might be female — as, it happens, am I. Isn’t it time the country stopped using the nasty, extraordinarily sexist female-dog metaphor to describe someone who complains unfairly?

  • optimist_realist

    Bad degrees don’t exist. What does is the mix of ignorance and prejudice that blames teachers for the ills of society. Making lots of money isn’t necessarily a “career”, it’s just survival, and for ever-fewer of us, a life of ever-greater luxury, including the luxury of controlling others’ options because you know what they need better than they do.  It’s cuckoo to blame the teaching profession for the fact that kids in public schools aren’t learning enough, and to suggest that everyone should give up on the humanities — which, every bit as much as Math, Science and the Medici model of moneylending are the cornerstone of democracy and enlightened society. When did selling out become the only option? Rather, we should all be screaming bloody murder at what’s going on in our society, at the lower and ever-less-hopeful levels, which will blow up in the faces of the 89% one of these days. Meanwhile, it won’t fix a thing to suggest everyone go into Finance, get an MBA, or whatever. 

    I’m all for making a living wage, yet I know plenty of very-successful Humanities majors living very-comfortable lives, thank you. I can’t tell you how often I’ve met someone in Corporate America’s proverbial corridors of power, and after talking with and/or about them long enough to form a very-favorable opinion, discovered s/he was once a — gasp! — Philosophy major, or — perish the thought! — an Art History major. Didn’t seem to have held them back a jot. 

    The real question should be, “When did it become okay to pretend all the teachers are self-centered, clueless people with the ambition of a doorstop and the work ethic of a busted bicycle bell?” If you were once a Humanities major, you might even wonder, “Why would any country need that kind of fall guy?” The sad reality is that nobody, conservative or liberal, wants to examine how angry and helpless so many of today’s youth are. That might require some sense of responsibility from the rest of us, and in our enlightened new culture of “Every man for himself!”, spin-doctoring has replaced our old standard, which was prosperity via mutual accountability. I can’t say how long it’s been since I last heard the term, “The Golden Rule,” or ever, “Walking the walk.” 

    DIVERSE POINTS OF VIEW AND MEETINGS OF THE MINDS ARE KEY TO ANY STABLE, TRULY SUCCESSFUL SOCIETY. The “creation” of any GENUINE “value” hinges on that. Meanwhile, we need to ask ourselves if there isn’t some way to make at least a decent living while upholding our respective morals. Any metric suggesting otherwise invariably pop like the bubble it is. 

    Let’s remember to ask questions, the which is the cornerstone of an enlightened, fruitful and sustainable society. Every blessing is mixed, and we are well advised to trust our own instincts — and to voice our opinions. Computers are great in many ways, for instance, but I wouldn’t trust Mark Zuckerberg to walk my dog. Lots of great people serve in the justice system, but prisons have gone corporate, and Citizens Union has opened some very unpromising floodgates. 

    What do we really want for our next generation? Does anyone care if the next generation doesn’t know the capital of the next state over, or how to calculate whether someone’s shortchanging them? What about who’s to determine our national spending on education and social services, versus that for defense? After all, our collective funding springs chiefly from the taxes paid by persons with little-to-moderate disposable income. Corporate America does its darndest not to pay taxes, and so does its leadership. The motto seems to boil down to, “Play the game my way, or I’ll take my toys (and yours) and go home.” Once upon a time, such thinking was derided as unpatriotic; now it’s “enlightened leadership.”

    Doesn’t anyone else find it worrisome that the next generation seems to have sought refuge in electronics? I don’t observe a whole lot of interacting with the various communities in which our youth reside, nor with their respective families of origin. Yes, there’s a certain amount of volunteerism, and an interest in other cultures; but it’s almost like cultural tourism. If there were no admissions essays to write, how deep would it all go, and for how long?

    Must “Freedom from Want” invariably produce “Freedom from Fear” — or should it? In our current economy and society, how long can it work, anyway? Or is neofeudalism the answer? Are we to join the right clubs, listen to the right advisors, and install ourselves and our loved ones permanently in gated communities? Should we be all like the hard-working, honest, compassionate and talented South Africans and Peruvians I know, our teenagers tooling around in new Mercedes SUVs? Their kids have grown up knowing never to auto-unlock the front gates without catching the eye of the familiar fellow at the guardhouse, and never to exit without their handy, portable assault weapons under or next to the driver’s seat. 

    Once we reduce education to solvency insurance, where does that leave the other half of our “Four Freedoms” heritage – ”Freedom of Speech” and ”Freedom of Religion”? Neil Postman foresaw our society’s transition to symbols-based language, but somehow I don’t think he pictured it quite this way. Who, in fact, will even need religion, once poverty and spin doctors have marginalized all who questioned the status quo? Our most dedicated and courageous humanitarians, whether journalists, jurors, religious, financiers, scientists or others, may all endangered species. On the other hand, now that every society on the planet is benefiting  from the global economy, the answer’s simple. Just get the next generation’s teachers and professors out of the way, and convert education to a patronage system: problem solved. No more awkward questions, no more want or fear for “the rest of us.” Make education the sole province of the elite, and in no time, the rest of society will forget that something’s wrong. Any few who don’t forget won’t be able to describe anything effectively. They’ll never build any kind of significant consensus — and what the rest of ‘em don’t know, they won’t mind.

    Society’s foremost “risk-takers” should be in charge, after all. As Michael Douglas exulted in “Wall Street,” “Greed is GOOD!” I imagine that’s why (as I can’t help noticing) our supreme risk-takers have retained the full protection of America’s bankruptcy courts. By contrast, God help the student-loan holder whose “orphan disease” not only tanks a promising career, but whose medical bills have tapped out a hard-scrabbled savings account — and whose family and friends can’t support him/her to the degree that the person never falls too far behind on student-loan payments. 

    Talk about “risk-taking”! It’s not the student loans that wipe people out: it’s the penalties. Until the mid-Nineties, the whole arrangement we have today was deemed unthinkable. Three guesses: of the venture capitalist, derivatives trader, or student-loan borrower with horrific hospital debts, whose loan/s can never, ever be discharged in bankruptcy? And of course, this “crime” has nothing even vaguely resembling a statute of limitations. Any borrower who defaults, for however-legitimate a reason, will incur a series of new obligations, all payable immediately and in full to collection agencies. Every other year, the agency of record will collect a 30% biennial surcharge, one which compounds interest and principal. As if that weren’t enough, to quote Suze Orman, “A defaulted student loan will follow you TO THE GRAVE!” (I don’t have access to italics here, which was how Ms. Orman had printed the term on the transcript of her broadcast.)

    I have the uneasy sense that today’s popular wisdom recommends we each do our level best to get rich, preferably by blowing pretty bubbles for the world’s trusting fools. We simply exit those bubbles, family and friends in tow, long before everyone else knows what’s what. Then, when Heaven/Paradise/Nirvana/Valhalla/What-Have-You looms on the horizon, each of us need only dispatch truckloads of “incentives” to one of God’s area representatives. 

    My misguided, naive humanist education, however, leads me to imagine that God might just have a clue, after all.

  • greenrob

    Well – I can’t say that I disagree…however – prior to accepting a position as an ESL teacher working in the Middle East, I worked for 3 years as a substitute teacher in southern California. In some ways, it is considered a battle ground. I worked at 1 high school for the entire period not because I was a permanent site substitute but because I liked the school and the school liked me. I grew to really love the students there and god knows, the school day was the only stability that many of these kids knew. Yes – there were the trouble makers and yes – I did have students who smoked pot in the class. (they were tried and convicted, swiftly. Read suspended or expelled and given a police record) This being said, I would have stayed working at that school but for 2 reasons. 1) I could not get a permanent position because of the current state of the economy and 2) NOW…I would have to make a minimum of $75K to come anywhere close to equaling my current wage in the Middle East. Mystarting salary in that district with my MA would have been $49.6. After taxes – well, suffice it to say that teachers are grossly underpaid.

  • prof_cj

    I’m going to come out and say it that this is a really terrible use of Change.org and TOTALLY not the way to get instructors at an institution jobs.

  • http://twitter.com/IsaacSweeney IsaacSweeney

    Hi. I think I will change it, but I’m not sure how yet. There’s got to be a happy medium for that late policy.

  • margray

    This is a terrible idea.

  • seamarc

    Getting someone to join the army is a hard sell. The average age of a person in the military is 19 years. These kids don’t have college educations and they are likely from low-income families.  The US Army has spent a lot of money on advertising campaigns to try to communicate the positive elements of a thankless, dangerous job working for one of the most poorly managed organizations in existence.  Perhaps the NEA should contact some advertising companies and begin a PR campaign in earnest to recruit new teachers.

  • seamarc

    I appreciate your focus on people taking the responsibility to address the issue themselves, not leaving it up to the federal government or even to the school districts alone.

  • awegweiser

    Perhaps the wrong way to deal with the problem but it does demonstrate very commendable
     initiative and cojones on the part of students who will get off their skate boards to take some action. The petition was polite and stated a reasonable case and perhaps “Bland College” should consider this adjunct for something permanent and find more adjuncts – in English should not be too difficult unless they are in one of the awful parts of the Nation – of which there are a few.

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  • 3hslf2

    I’ve run into sentiments similar to the author’s in talking with people about my post-undergraduate options–and I see it as a real problem.

    Many academics are quick to come down on policy makers and members of the public who disrespect teachers, whether it’s through low pay, public lambasting, etc., etc. Yet at the same time, I’ve had conversations with many mentors at my university who do just what the author is doing: try to dissuade me from giving schoolteaching even a look. They tell me, explicitly or implicitly, that I’m too smart or talented, or whatever, for real teaching–even though I have very real and personally important reasons for wanting to give teaching a try. 

    One of the reasons that teaching is not respected in this country, I believe, is the traditional notion “those who can’t do, teach.” That is, the best and brightest do not become teachers, and as a result our public school teachers are incompetent (material-wise).

    How will the teaching profession gain any respect if those who publicly claim to support it will at the same time turn around and strongly dissuade any bright young person from becoming a teacher?

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  • theart

     I don’t know if I would call it synergy, but I can see a basis for the correlation.  It’s hard to become an athletic powerhouse without strong and consistent alumni involvement, and it’s hard to build a large base of alums with money to throw around without strong academics.  Synergy would suggest that academics to benefit from athletics to a similar degree.

  • jthelin

    Well, it may be true that SEC universities do not hire PhDs from the Ivy League (a “lesser” conference).  But is that because the Ivy League is a lesser conference, or perhaps, because the Ivy PhDs go elsewhere?  Perhaps in some case of conference correlations of faculty hiring, lesser is more?

    John Thelin
    University of Kentucky (an SEC member university)

     

  • mrudd

    Here’s a reasonable discussion of the issue and some limited data:

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/53879464-82/academic-pac-athletic-university.html.csp

  • lslerner

    Most top football schools “hire” players with considerable “scholarships,” who have very different profiles from those of the genuine scholars who attend. Their graduation rate is abysmal, partly because their preparation is in football and not academics, partly because of the time and energy they expend in football, and partly because their ambition is to become professional football players, not lawyers or doctors or scientists or English teachers.
    Robert Hutchins had it right. Some years after he had closed down the University of Chicago’s Big Ten football program, some reporters asked him if he planned ever to reinstate football. He replied, “If I ever do, I’ll buy the Chicago Bears.”

  • Socratease2

    Well, you can put hire in quotes or not, doesn’t change fact that students are not being paid to play. If you look at the amount of room and board money left after the tuition is paid for through scholarship, then thse athletes are some of the poorest paid employees in America.

    Leaving that aside, you can say that FB student-athlete graduation rates are abysmal and that’s fine but these “abysmal” athlete rates are usually much higher than for the general student population.  And if you compare rates for black athletes and black non-athletes on campus, athletes graduate with even a larger positive gap. So overall, grad rates must be “super-abysmal” for non-athletes. You do understand that at many universities, overall student graduation rates usually fall  between 40-60%, most FB grad rates are much higher. Don’t have to believe me, just go check out the comparative statistics before labeling/stereotyping.

  • mich8718

    The longer I think about the place of athletics in academia and the more I research the
    topic the more complex the issues seem to be. One way I have come to simplify
    the situation is to admit to the fact that, as Mr. Bissinger notes, college
    athletics is a tiered system.  For state universities the place on the athletic tier and the place on the academic tier are often very compatible and often comes down to money.

    So, as an initial way to consider the place of college athletics and football in particular is to follow the money and see where it comes from and where it goes. Consider the admittedly few financially successful schools. Let’s take just two from the Big Ten for example – Michigan and Ohio State. Both have self-sustaining athletic programs driven primarily by revenues associated with football and men’s basketball. Michigan sponsors 13 men’s sports and 14 women’s sports. Ohio State sponsors 17 men’s sports and 18 women’s sports. Clearly proceeds from two sports are enabling a large number of students to attend each university who might otherwise not have the opportunity or interest and perhaps the case can be made that this contributes to the academic reputation of the institution. By this criterion there is little defense for the decision that has been made by the University of Maryland.

    This observation does lead to the proposition that the work of a few men is generating
    big bucks for the schools and supporting other athletes and that those men are being exploited. For the sake of argument I reject that position. Not only are hose men getting access to a valuable education but, and I’ve not seen this discussed, they are getting specialized training and a chance to develop physical skills that will enable them, if they are talented enough to make a living playing the sport. This is not nearly as true for basketball as it is for football, but does anyone really believe that Tim Tebow was physically ready to play pro ball when he came out of Nease High School? I saw him play his senior year – even superman needed some development and U of Florida provided that chance in a high caliber physical facility under the tutelage of skilled trainers and coaches.

    However, I question the model for universities at the next level both in terms of the reputations for athletics and academics .  Let’s consider the University of Central Florida. In terms of student enrollment it is one of the 3 largest universities in the country and it seems to want its athletic program to fit in with schools like Texas and Ohio State. In 2010 44% of its operating income for athletics came from student fees with an additional 6% coming from the university and from FY 2005-2006 through FY 2009-2010 the UCF athletic program received yearly direct support from the state of between $345,000 and $600,000. Despite these subsidies the athletic program had a cumulative deficit of $2.9 million dollars when operating revenues are compared to operating expenses.  UCF supports 6 men’s sports and 8 women’s sports. As we move to a lower tier then it seems that the opportunities for student athletes also diminish although students are being called on to bear more of the cost of the program and in the case of UCF state funds that could otherwise go to the academic budget are being spent on athletics.  If anything I think that this hurts the academic reputation of this type of school.

  • 4206dinty

    However, studnet – athletes etc have tutors,tutors and others to help them & the regalr student doe not get that help!

  • Socratease2

    That is not entirely true. It is true that student-athletes have access to academic staff, advisors and tutors that help them manage their time and help them with readings, paper drafts, etc. However, non-athletes have access to a different pool of departmental and general tutoring services that student-athletes don’t because of their travel and practice schedules. When you take into account the academic negatives associated with sport (missed class for travel, no time in afternoon to meet faculty or TAs,  lack of energy after practice) and add in the fact that a certain percentage of these student-athletes have far lower academic indexes than general student body, I don’t think the academic support provided does much more than level the academic playing field. Even 3.7 gpa pre-med student-athletes struggle because of the burdens of their sport. Student-athlete grad rates (with excpetion of men’s basketball) are impressive despite this academic support.

  • cwinton

    What seems to be getting lost in the discussion is that schools with both strong academic and football profiles established their academic profiles before the costs for football programs began escalating in response to media hype and the NFL’s hugely successful campaign to become “America’s Sport”.  Schools that have come on the scene later (such as the aforementioned UCF) are too new to have established an entrenched alumni base and so have not fared well at all when trying to get in on the game.  In the past, football prominence may have helped some schools gain national name recognition that in turn may have enhanced their academic profiles, but that hasn’t been the case since the associated costs for coaches and facilities began perniciously draining campus resources that otherwise would have been applied to academic enterprise.  As for operating expense, it is never clear how much of the cost is hidden (salaries for liaisons, release time for faculty who serve on boards, offices for compliance personnel, facilities maintenance, extra attorneys in the legal office, etc).  The increased use of adjunct faculty alone would indicate a lot of resources are being channeled away from instruction for other purposes, one of which just might be big time athletics?

  • div411

    Yet again V-P Fant evinces unfamiliarity with English.   For example, he writes ADVOCATED FOR THE ELIMINATION rather than ADVOCATED THE ELIMINATION.   He writes ARGUING AGAINST THE FLAGSHIP SO MUCH AS HE IS ARGUING THAT rather than ARGUING AGAINST THE FLAGSHIP SO MUCH AS ARGUING THAT.

    Perhaps at his “university” grammar counts for nothing.   Clearly, Mr. Fant’s professional success at Union University has not been impeded.   But his employer, not to mention the CHRONICLE, should politely suggest to him that he master basic English, which I assume is the sole language he commands.

    And please:   SYNERGY is so overworked a term that the use of it makes anyone sensitive to treit talk blush.

    DS

  • polisciguy

    As an adjunct who has a warm relationship with many current and former students but is facing possible non re-hire because of drastic budget cuts, I have quite a soft spot for these students and their petition. While it may not work, just feeling the support of said students is a great encouragement to those of us who do not have “luxuries” like an office or campus phone number.

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