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Crowdsourcing Your Summer Reading List(s)

April 5, 2011, 3:00 pm

Popular lore has it that professors spend summers on “vacation.” We spend these long lazy months lounging on tropical beaches with umbrella’d drinks and lots of sunscreen. That, or we travel to mountains where we camp, hike, and commune with nature. We might travel foreign locales and experience all the world has to offer.

For most of us, images of professors lounging on a beach, taking extended hikes, or traveling the world over—or having the time to do these things—are laughable. We typically spend the summer spending time with family, working, writing, planning for fall classes, researching. The work never seems to stop. However, over a summer—or an extended span of time—we do have a little more control over how we spend that time.

Reading for pleasure over a summer is an activity that we can plan now . . . so we have the books on hand when we have a lull in our schedules. The books can be hardback, paperback, Kindle, Nook, e-reader forms. The point is that we have them available to us. Of course, we can choose our own books, but crowdsourcing your reading lists can bring about many new types of books.

Recently, fellow ProfHacker Brian Croxall recommended that I check out Mark Z. Danielewski’s House of Leaves. I bought a copy, mentioned the purchase on Twitter, and many on my Twitter stream chimed in about the wonder of the book. A flip through the book and I’m struck by the visual similarities between it and Derrida’s Glas. Then I’m reminded of Walt Whitman’s Leaves of Grass: The First (1855) Edition. Just with the one purchase (and a couple of mental associations), I have the start of a summer reading list.

For fun, I might reread Patti Smith’s Just Kids (because I loved this book so much). I’m interested in memoir, so I’ll read Michele Norris’s The Grace of Silence: A Memoir. I might also include books I haven’t yet had time to read (that are research related), Isabel Wilkerson’s  The Warmth of Other Suns: The Epic Story of America’s Great Migration; Karl Marlantes’, Matterhorn: A Novel of the Vietnam War; Tim Barnwell’s work on Appalachia, The Face of Appalachia: Portraits from the Mountain Farm and On Earth’s Furrowed Brow: The Appalachian Farm in Photographs.  My reading list is shaping up nicely.

But how about you? What are your reading plans for summer?  What is the one book that you’ll read while on beach this summer?  What might you recommend to other ProfHacker readers? Please leave comments and suggestions below.

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  • http://www.theambulantscholar.com Amy R

    I have an ambitious pile of “beach” books to read through this summer. A few summers ago, I decided to plow through the entire Harry Potter series at long last (although I started kind of early — March, I think). This year, I’m aiming slightly higher. Here’s a small sampling: The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, The Blacker the Berry, First Family: Abigail and John Adams, and Homer’s Odyssey (about a blind cat). Quite a wide-ranging list, I must say.

  • harry_2_claudia

    ‘The Shadowy Horses’ by Susanna Kearsley who writes thrillers and novels of suspense. She was awared the Catherine Cookson Literary Prize for her book entitled ‘Mariana.’ Another book entitled ‘Girl With A Pearl Earring’ (also a DVD) by Tracy Chevalier is a modern classic and I consider it to be excellent reading for the summer. Enjoy!!

  • http://www.andrea-zellner.com/ Andrea Zellner

    I’d like to give a shoutout to GoodReads for the best crowdsourcing of books. This is a webbased social network that also has smartphone apps. I try to have connections there that offer diverse readers, although since my recent participation in the twitter hashtag effort #bookaday over the December holidays has me slightly skewed towards folks who generally read a lot of Young Adult Lit. I hadn’t given much thought to YA lit, but there are some really amazing books coming out of that genre that having nothing to do with wizards or vampires. For the best titles, it is good to know some Middle School teachers/media specialists. GoodReads allows you to see what your friends are reading and then add those books to a” to-read” shelf. That will be my list for whenever it is I can squeeze in some pleasure reading. Top of my list now: Radioactive: Marie & Pierre Curie: A Tale of Love and Fallout by Redniss.

  • drjeff

    If you like technology (don’t have to know much to enjoy), you can’t get a better “beach book” than “Snow Crash” by Neal Stephenson. It’s almost 20 years old, which just adds to the fun.

    It’s, seriously, the next best thing to riding on the sled with Calvin and Hobbes.

  • http://about.me/jbj Jason B. Jones

    Indeed, I treat recommending Snow Crash the same way I do The Wire or The Pogues: Catching up on that is probably more important than whatever else you had planned.

  • drjeff

    Indeed, if anyone had written anything offering comparable high-velocity fun in the intervening decades, the sarcasm would probably be warranted.

    Whatever else I had planned, unlike commenting here, had to wait for the end of my AM coffee break. (On PM potato chip break right now.)

  • http://about.me/jbj Jason B. Jones

    You misunderstand: I in fact say just this: That it’s more important than anything else they had planned, and they should grab Snow Crash with two hands!

    A great, great book.

    (I don’t think I’m allowed to post sarcastically in PH comments, fwiw.)

  • drjeff

    I was thinking it was extremely subtle sarcasm. My bad.

    Maybe I’m just in a bad mood because my PI is acting more like a child than I’d like, this week.

  • http://twitter.com/DelaneyKirk DelaneyKirk

    I’ll be reading books on social media to get ready for a new class I’m teaching this fall. Anyone have suggestions?

  • amycollier

    I love Anne Lamott’s book Bird by Bird. Lamott is a charming storyteller and her book, which focuses on creative writing, is a delightful read. I read it at least once a year.

    This summer, I will be tackling both fiction and non-fiction. For fiction: Steve Hely’s How I Became a Famous Novelist and Anne Lamott’s Imperfect Birds (and, I’m slightly embarrassed to admit that I will probably re-read the addictive Hunger Games series).

    Non-fiction: Matt Taibbi’s The Great Derangement, Ben Goldacre’s Bad Science, and Natalie Angier’s The Canon: A whirligig tour of the beautiful basics of science.

  • drjeff

    Don’t feel bad: my daughter is a very discriminating fiction reader, and she loves the Hunger Games series, too.

  • educator707

    The problem with referring to this as “hacking” is that it implies that there is some super secret criminal computer skills needed to do what they did.. It is a deflection of the real problem that no one is talking about and that is the non-existent security on most phones. If someone goes through a missing wall of a store and takes a watch – that person is still a thief but not a “catburgler” or some criminal mastermind. Back in 2002 you could get into many voice mail systems by dialing *82 on the victim’s phone. Most phone systems did not have password protection at all on voice mail. The phones would recognize the phone number or caller id and then let you in. There are apps that allow you to spoof caller ids that have been around for years. Using an app or running a script to access private information for criminal purposes makes you a criminal – not a hacker. If I steal your credit card number, that does not make me Bernie Madoff. Law enforcement and the media tend to call anything related to technology they don’t understand a “hack.” That is funny – some use that word and apply it to “journalism” as well :-)

  • rverret

    The term hack comes from the MIT “Tech Hackers”. which date to early in last century. Their early exploit had no necessary connection to electronic or digital devices. Thus hack cannot be limited to computers. A recent hack, documented in the Chronicle, was the relocation of the CAL tech mascot to the East coast. Pure deception and no digital media. This traditional form of hacking is consistent with the news usage for the News of the World scandal.

  • educator707

    So if I steal a trash can from work I am a hacker? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/thestripedone Stewart C Baker

    Many of the most notorious hackers used so-called “social engineering” than technical solutions.  Er, although this appears to have been moved over to the term “computer criminal” now, so…  What do I know?

  • http://derekbruff.com Derek Bruff

    I so wanted to object to Penenburg’s definition of “hack.” Until Amanda posted her reply.

    In the spirit of nipping this in the bud… Nazis!  (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law.)

  • juneparsons

    Um, I expected the “brief history” link to show me the evolution of the word “hacker,” explaining when it was first used, how it has been used in context by the press and by various computer-related organizations/individuals. The discussions about the use of “hacker” are as Ms. French points out, endless. For example, see the Discussion tab on the Hacker page in Wikipedia. 

    Terminology in the computer industry is imprecise, due in part to marketers who dream up catchy, but technically garbled names for products. The press also massacres terms (like hacker), in its pursuit of sensational stories. Putting the genie back in the box (changing the common usage of “hacker”) is unlikely to happen.

  • http://amandafrench.net Amanda French

    But the thing is that it depends on the context. When I’m hanging out with developers talking about development, we say “I hacked together a fix” or “I found a workaround that’s kind of hacky” and so on without any of those criminal connotations. Granted, the form “hacker” doesn’t come up as much, but it’s definitely true that to developers, “hacker” connotes mainly praiseworthy ingenuity, not criminality, whereas to people who don’t code, “hacker” probably does connote criminality. But who cares? The phenomenon of a word having different connotations to different audiences is so common as to be a big yawn. The first dozen times someone objected to the criminal connotations of “hacker,” I was on board, but not any more. I’d rather hear discussion of whether what someone did is or should be criminal.

  • chipping

    For most software developers a hack is a quick fix or a clever patch.  The jargon file probably has the most exhaustive listing: http://magic-cookie.co.uk/jargon/mit_jargon.htm#x341

  • mlisaacs

    Your efforts are very much appreciated.  I personally know of a woman in her 70′s who only
    recently finished paying off her student loan debts, having had her Social Security checks 
    garnished.  Ultimately, being able to quantify the loss to the economy would be important information. My guess is the loss of discretionary money among the educated citizens is enormous.
    Not being able to purchase homes, travel, eat at restaurants, etc. certainly will not 
    support the so called “service” economy that Wall Street discusses so very much.
    I believe that the generation in their 40′s are heavily burdened with student debt and feel
    fortunate just to eat, keep their cars running and pay the rent, utilities and insurance.
      How did we arrive here?  How much did Wall Street, bankers, collegiate financial officers,
    and big money players (boards of trustees, college presidents, and their friends in 
    state legislatures and Washington) contribute to this?  Middle class parents and students
    have been fleeced for at least 20 years.
       Only by understanding how we got here can we begin to move past it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Antsy-Kuhnwisse/100002159499682 Antsy Kuhnwisse

    See my comment at http://chronicle.com/article/Complaints-Soar-Over/131781/#comment-525441638.  It turns out to have been wise that my boyfriend and I never married, or I might have been considered responsible for his supposed debt, after his death.

  • sma69

    Nearing retirement it has been obvious to us for many years that that event will not occur because of student loans. Since we’re self-employed we’re not complaining because getting additional graduate degrees, and incurring student loan debt, was necessary in order to remain competitive. Before the last degree I had never had a dime of student loan debt over almost 40 years. Now I have $40K. As a CPA I’ll throw out a few ideas with respect to making higher education more affordable in the future: (a) increase the minimum number of hours which professors must teach per year. Doing so will cut staffing requirements and will, in turn, force departments to streamline, (b) eliminate or consolidate non-productive majors, as well as marginal schools and colleges, (c) phase-out for-profit and proprietary school student loans. These institutions have a reputation for charging the maximum amount of tuition and fees possible based upon the maximum level of student financial aid available. If you cut them out of the pie a lot of the problem rolling forward will be managed, (d) scale student financial aid based upon grades and majors, (e) don’t provide student loans until undergraduate students have a minimum of 30 semester hours of credit, (f) eliminate third-party lenders and programs, and (g) scale/limit student financial aid based upon college and program default rates, so that it becomes a “shopping decision”, and (g) provide incentives for earning more credit hours at community colleges. Yes, this is a draconian approach, but a fundamental shift in the reasons for student loans, and the granting of such obligations, has to be made in order to stop the mass production of well-educated serfs that stay obligated throughout their adult lives to the Department of Education.

    With respect to current student loan holders: (1) currently the IRC provides for a tax credit of up to $2,500 per year to offset student loan interest. This should be made unlimited with a carry-forward/carry-back similar to NOL’s. Of course this will reduce federal income tax payments, but it will stimulate cash-flow and collections, and will improved the general financial condition of borrowers. In turn it will reduce the future default rate,  (2) allow future offsets to the Social Security system. This is a radical idea, but if for instance the future value of my SSA benefits at age 70 was $180,000, I should be able to offset my remaining student loan payments for a reduced benefit. This would favor both older and younger borrowers, (3) allow forgiveness of debt options in some well-prescribed instances, (4) stop the practice of tying student loan repayment performance to the issuance of professional licenses and other licenses. This is a punitive action which, in my opinion, exacerbates collection issues and income production because it constitutes a disincentive, (5) tie payments to adjusted gross income (AGI) with a maximum amortization of 20 years since loan inception. Credit on this system would be retroactive and would be similar to credit earned in a defined benefit pension plan. The remaining balance due, after adjustment, could be handled as an addition to taxable income over several years, an offset against future SSA benefits, or as forgiveness of debt.

    In substance, and on paper, the solutions are pretty simple, but no one in Washington will put together a Blue Ribbon Panel of experts that will ignore political implications, and, in turn, will recommend a “new tire” as opposed to a “patch”. I believe a fair system could be derived for all past, present, and future student loan participants from these ideas. If you believe these ideas have merit please pass them on, and maybe they will find fertile ground.    

  • atana09

    “In other cases of student loan debt, I have to wonder what contribution the general decline in personal responsibility has made to the $1 trillion figure.  Students (and their parents with PLUS loans) are consumers; apparently many of them are making poor decisions regarding what they can repay”

    The problem cannot be handed down in total to the student borrowers, because these loans are noted for extravagant ‘fee enhancements’ such as was noted by one CEO who bragged of increasing these fees some 220%. Additionally the consumer protections on these loans were stripped years ago, largely by faux crises production and by shills in congress working for the lending industry. As such meaningful reduction of debt or renegotiation is virtually impossible because the lending cabal holds the cards, noose and gateway to hell. Student debt cannot be compared to other forms of consumer debt because of the special laws passed under crony congressional influence. If we are to pull out the personal responsibility card there needs to be a hue and cry about the rampant abuses, corruption and cronyism which has marked a generation of student lending. Chronicle is one of the few entities which has covered these abuses & scandals. If more people knew the grave nature of the student debt problems and the unique abuses of that industry there’d be much more public outrage.
    And for Obama and Duncan to allow some of these same people to work as the collections wing of the USDOE undermined the intent of their reforms with the Direct Loan programs.
    As far as the geriatric student debt problem that shows how economically and personally destructive the US system of student funding has become; many within the 40+ crew will die still being hounded by student debt. Which may have made a few more private golf courses available for a few CEO’s but it also wrecked a large portion of the US economy and ruined millions of lives.
    Student debt is likely the most toxic example of extractive wealth and ‘trickle down’ that has existed in recent US history-and there is a clear reason that many other countries have avoided the US model as much as one would avoid a rabid rat. Everyone gets bitten but no one comes out well.  

  • darccity

    You also should highlight the public-private college comparison. Most people assume that student loans tend to be higher the more expensive the tuition. Yet statistics totally refute that broad-brushed conclusion. Average total loans at graduation are virtually identical for public colleges and private ones, despite the 3 to 1 or even 8 to 1 disparity in tuitions (plus the room and board more common at private colleges, since few are commuter schools). Some will respond that few pay the private college full sticker tuition price, but up to half do, and most of those don’t take out any loans (or file FAFSA and Profile forms).

    As income and wealth distribution has exponentially worsened, higher ed has reverted to its pre-GI Bill role: the single major source of opportunity inequality in the U.S. If you work at a U.S. college, you are contributing to a permanent class-based society unless you take action to stop this insanity!

  • rogerclegg

    Mr. Kahlenberg makes a good start, but there are many other costs with affirmative action as well.  Here’s my list:   It is personally unfair, passes over better qualified individuals, and sets a disturbing legal, political, and moral precedent in allowing racial discrimination; it creates resentment; it stigmatizes the so-called beneficiaries in the eyes of their colleagues, students, and themselves; it fosters a victim mindset, removes the incentive for academic excellence, and encourages separatism; it compromises the academic mission of the university (for example, for research and teaching) and lowers the overall academic quality of the faculty; it creates pressure to discriminate in evaluations and promotions; it breeds hypocrisy within the school; it encourages a scofflaw attitude among college officials (racial discrimination in faculty hiring is much harder — probably impossible — to justify as a legal matter than in student admissions , as discussed here: http://209.123.244.94/polArticles.cfm?doctype_code=Article&doc_id=1872&Keyword_Desc=Best%20of%20NAS ) ; it mismatches individuals with jobs and institutions, guaranteeing failure for many of the former; it papers over the real social problem of why so many Native Americans, African Americans, and Latinos are academically uncompetitive; and it gets states and schools involved in unsavory activities like deciding which racial and ethnic minorities will be favored and which ones not, and — grand finale – how much blood is needed to establish group membership. Q.E.D.: Racial preferences ought not to be used.

  • tander4

    While Warren may have fumbled how she responded to criticism, for me the issue is what are the Cherokee rules for membership?  Some tribes are very strict (100% pure blood) others allow up to 1/32 to qualify for membership. if the Cherokees are the latter what is the issue?  Also, if someone is X and wishes to call him/herself X, who are we to develop rules that punish one for declaring their membership.  This us just a variation of “guilt by association” as those without a shred of evidence but for political gain, want to tattoo her with using her status to advance her career.

  • mbelvadi

    The US might want to consider Canada’s concept of “visible minority”. It has its own problems, but it would address concerns like the Warren case, since she is clearly not a visible minority.

  • rab60

    “…. her case also points to a progressive alternative: affirmative action based on class”
    I couldn’t agree more.

  • ars_123

    I completely agree that affirmative action is an imperfect way of tackling issues of unfair and unequal advantage in our country. I also concur that no one should falsely claim membership in a group in which they do not belong. But that’s where the black and white (no pun intended) boundaries of this issue end. Richard’s solution seems interesting – affirmative action based on economic opportunity, not race. My comment is in support of that solution but also to highlight the messy nature of racial and ethnic classifications in response to many of the comments made.

    First of all, to even hint that people shouldn’t be able to say they belong to a group because they don’t ‘look’ like they do, completely negates the progress that this country has made toward not discriminating people based on how they look. The fact is, you cannot accurately describe a person’s racial background by merely looking them (which, by the way, is what Canada’s “visible minorities” policies are all about). It would be a mere guess. As much as many like to oversimplify cultures into ‘black’ and ‘white’, or color-based dichotomies, color is an extremely poor way of describing people because no one is purely black, white, or even brown. That sounds ridiculous if you just say it out loud, so to raise debates based on that flawed logic is just ridiculous.

    Moreover, another weakness of this discussion is the failure to understand that those who create the labels are not usually those who use them. For example, for people of South American heritage in this country (I am one), particularly those who are first generation immigrants, face a true difficulty in selecting to be identified as Latino, Hispanic, or as the debate increasingly suggests, Brown. Amalgamating a group of people (about 16% of the population in this country) into a single one would be the equivalent of grouping American, English-speaking individuals as the same as English people from the United Kingdom. It is just silly.The race category complicates this further. Being Hispanic or Latino denotes an ethnicity, not a race, and in most South American countries, race as a categorization of self does not exist. In fact, the equivalent term (transliterated) is ‘raza’ which is a politically-used term to connote ‘the people’. Therefore, it’s difficult to identify oneself many times as ‘White’ or ‘Black’ because that just doesn’t exist in many countries and many may just not know what to respond.

    Finally, in response to Richard’s use of the phrase ‘weak minority membership’, who decides who belongs to a group and who doesn’t? How Native American do you have to be to consider yourself Native American? Is President Obama White enough to be considered White? Or Black enough to be considered Black? This also alludes to a point Richard made about inter-racial marriage. It is just difficult to categorize people in these ways, period end of sentence. Had Elizabeth Warren been active in a Native American group, why shouldn’t she be able to identify herself as such? Granted that is not the case, but it serves as an interesting thought experiment because self-identification is for the self to decide, not the collective.

    No one should be allowed to exploit the system, especially when affirmative action may benefit people who would not otherwise have equal opportunities, not to mention the disrespect it entails to members of the group in question. But, let’s not ignore the messy and imperfect nature of self-identification, and through it, of racial and ethnic classifications.

  • rick1952

     Roger:  All of the reasons you cite in opposition to Affirmative Action are the reasons that gave cause to institute Affirmative Action in the first place.

    So, after more than two hundred years of affirmative action for white males which has provided to any person considered a white male a substantial and unfair advantage over persons from other groups in our society, how would you propose that the “playing field” be made level?

    I agree with Kahlenberg that a policy and practice that recognized and addressed socioeconomic disadvantage is a good way to promote opportunity to those who might otherwise be denied opportunity.

    However, I remain firmly convinced that the real solution will require major sacrifice and commitment by all members of our society because the roots of disadvantage are found in the inferior, inadequate and unequal educational opportunities provided to our children.  This unfair system has a remarkable characteristic that just does not seem to be random – it is highly correlated with race and socioeconomic status.  Any examination of schools that are deemed inadequate will reveal that concentrated poverty and race (being Black, Hispanic, Native American in particular) combine to create disadvantage, while concentrated affluence and race (being white) combine to create advantage.  If we correct for that injustice, we will be much better positioned to eliminate consideration of race, at least insofar as access to higher education is concerned.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lamont-Lindstrom/1109542330 Lamont Lindstrom

    Dude!  Half the blond, blue-eyed necks in the former Indian Territory (and continuing Fourth World hole inside the fabric of the US of A) still claim to be part Native American something, in the right context.  The racism that once caused many to hide that ancestry began to fade in the 80s–one could track this on Oklahoma license tags (that is, plates):  What used to be “Oklahoma is OK” (an honest if perhaps overly enthusiastic appraisal) is today “Oklahoma, Native America”.  Huge flushes of casino money haven’t hurt, either…
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.brazeau.12 Robert Brazeau

    OK, so I was born into a French Canadian community in Northern Ontario, but my mother moved from there when I was six weeks old and did not maintain strong cultural ties with that community.  The result was that I grew up in an anglophone city (Toronto), didn’t learn French very well and became a monoglot English user and university professor of English.  Now, you are allowed to tell me I’m not French Canadian, right?  That’s how it works? 

  • 22261984

    (From Roger Clegg):  Thanks for your comment, Rick.  It is true that there is a high correlation between race and disadvantage, but that is no reason to use race as a proxy for disadvantage.  There are plenty of disadvantaged whites (and Asians, who are frequently the victims of politically correct discrimination), and plenty of nondisadvantaged URMs (indeed, the overwhelming majority — 86 percent, according to The Shape of the River — of blacks admitted to selective schools come from middle or upper class backgrounds, and only 14 percent from disadvantaged backgrounds).

    BTW, the racial disparities we see will continue so long as more than 7 out of 10 African Americans (72.5 percent) are born out of wedlock, along with more than 6 out of 10 American Indians and Alaska Natives (65.6 percent), and more than 5 out of 10 Hispanics (53.3 percent) — versus fewer than 3 out of 10 whites (29.0 percent) and fewer than 2 out of 10 Asians and Pacific Islanders (17.0 percent). Disturbingly high for all groups (the composite figure is 40.8 percent), but there is an obvious connection between these demographic-by-demographic numbers and how each group is doing educationally, economically, criminally, etc.

  • manoflamancha

    Every time I read a discussion of Affirmitive action and racial preferences, my mind wanders back to an old Greyhound bus slowly crawling along mountain roads in WV. At one stop,  a small coal camp hamlet, a young man got on the bus, and he sat beside me. He was a bright sounding lad, and soon began talking about books he’d read. It turns out, we were both on that bus for the same reason: heading to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base to be tested for admission to the first class at the US Air Force Academy. I noticed the ragged but clean clothes he was wearing, and the black shoes held snugly together with black electrical tape, and the tape and shoes were highly polished to conceal their wear. He had never been to a big city before, and keenly anticipated this great adventure. He was the brightest guy I met that year of my 18th birthday, and I often wondered what happened to that deserving, bright lad. I hope he made it into the academy; I didn’t owing to a poor performance on the eye test (I got glasses soon after). 

    There are a millions stories like this one, amongst a race of people almost toally ignored by their government, save for a brief effort by Eleanor Roosevelt back in the 1940s. I am speaking of an area and a people commonly referred to as Appalachia, and the denizens as “hillbillies”. There are 30 to 40 million such people living along that mountain belt from up-state NY through, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Kentucky, and West Virginia thence weaving through North Carolina and Tennessee, ending in northern Alabama.

    Will such poor, undereducated white folk ever get a preference like the blacks, Latinos and Native Americans? Sadly, I think not, because of the color of their skin.

  • whm3113

     Whatever the tribe’s requirements, to claim you are a member you should at least appear on the tribal roles.

  • akprof

    Hey – she is as much Cherokee (1/32) and teh guy who was just elected principal chief of the Cherokee nation. Regardless, I am sorry to not live in MA so that I could vote for her

  • Mwatuanghi

    Whites still get more than eighty percent of management level jobs in the private sector, are still half as likely to be laid off, have more than ninety percent of gov’t contracts, and more than eighty five percent of tenured faculty positions with Affirmative Action in place. Not only is your comparison off, but horribly so. Only fifteen percent of the tribes in indian country are wealthy, and I’d recommend you take that nonsense you’re peddling to Pine Ridge. For many lives, life on the reservation is far from the paradise America’s uninformed media portrays.The people of Appalachia do present a class problem in this country that perhaps best reflects the glaring gap in wealth and social inequality furthered by the failed economic policies of the past, but it is far from a racial issue as you try to assert.

  • Mwatuanghi

    Actually, there is when your tribe uses an archaic system enforced upon you by the gov’t; Blood Quantum. I know Cherokee Nation does not use it – they reference lineage – but a Cherokee offshoot here in my state does, and many other tribes literally measure your “indianess” on strength of ancestry. 

    I do agree with your latter sentiment however, as I don’t see any reason to use her example as a sufficient argument.

  • mich8718

    The federal government has done a lot more for the people of Appalachia than “a brief effort by Eleanor Roosevelt back in the 1940s”

    The Appalachian Regional Commission was created by Congressional act in 1965 as part of LBJ’s “War on Poverty”.  It continues to receive a healthy appropriation.  The ARC region includes 420 counties in 13 states extending from southern New York and Pennsylvania through northern Mississippi, Georgia and Alabama.  Millions of dollars have been spent through both the ARC and special appropriations in areas of transporation (I-26 in NC and TN, the Cumberland Gap Parkway, etc.), education (WV with fewer tha 2 million inhabitants received its 3rd medical school in the 1970s when Marshall Med School was built with federal funds and Tennessee received its second at East Tennessee State from the same act, known as the Teague-Cranston Act.  SC got its second medical school from this act.  It is located in Columbia in the Piedmont at the edge of the Appalachians), cultural heritage expenditures supporting several projects and programs at universities such as WVU, Appalachian State, Western Carolina and East Tennessee State, as well as direct economic development aid such as loans to entrepreneurs and grants to business incubators in the region.

    The assistance given to development of transportation, educational and economic infrastructure to Appalachia has been extensive over the last 45 years must be acknowledged.  As someone born in 1947 in Damascus Virginia at the lower end of the Blue Ridge and having worked in northeast Tennessee from the late 1970s until 3 years ago I believe that this money has been well spent.  In 1965 33% of the citizens of Appalachia lived in poverty.  In 2008 the poverty rate was 18%.  In 1965 223 of the counties in the ARC area were economically distressed.  In 2008 only 96 were in this category

    I find the Appalachian people put to interesting political use.  The dominant ethnicity is white Scotch-Irish or Anglo Saxon.  The common perception is that we are, or were, mostly hillbillies (whatever that means – I admit to playing and singing in a Bluegrass band so I guess I fit part of the definition).  It is still thought by some that there is extensive poverty throughout Appalachia and there is very severe poverty in certain parts of the region – e.g. eastern Kentucky, northern Mississippi, too much of West Virginia) and that is sometime used as an example to support two political concepts – federal money can’t help people out of poverty (see figures above) and poor white folks don’t get any of the help afforded to other ethnicities, particularly poor black folks. 

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    THE MAIN POINT

    Ms. Warren graduated from a third-tier law school (Rutgers). The vast majority of Harvard/Ivy law professors are from FIRST-TIER law schools.

    How did this happen? Was the gender-card played? Was the mommy-card played? Was the American Indian card played?

    Reality: of course they were played. To claim otherwise merely supports the assumption that academia is detached from the real world.

    Delude yourself as long as you like. The 1/32nd Queen has no clothes. Shame on her — she deserves to lose the election.

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    where’s your proof?

    was he on the tribe’s membership roll?

    what are the rules for claiming affirmative action advantage?

    This is just another example of “Michael Moore” d.a. thinking. And why academia ought to be defunded — so much d.a. thinking.

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    ONCE A VICTIM, ALWAYS A VICTIM

    Mao, Stalin and Ho had a place for this kind of thinking. It was rural, cold, wet and brutal.

    Once a victim, always a victim. Not going to let “victims” drag me down.

  • Mwatuanghi

    I don’t understand your comment.

  • rick1952

     Roger – my priority for preference is social class but given our nation’s history it is hard to argue that race should be ignored.  Discrimination against a person due to race can occur even when the individual is “nondisadvantaged” economically.  Our problem was created by centuries of discrimination and I think it is naive to believe that in the approximately 50 years that our nation has been trying to correct this fundamental injustice that racial discrimination has ceased and that corrective actions are no longer needed.  It is a difficult and complex problem, with more than a few challenges but that does not mean we should completely ignore or discount it.  Perhaps our disagreement is one that reflects my willingness to take both class and race into account, not just one or the other.

    Maybe our grandchildren’s generation will be less affected since so many will be multi-racial (including my own who are now a mix of Hispanic, Anglo and Asian.)  Of course, given the intense anti-immigrant feelings in our nation, I am not so sure that a non-discriminatory USA is in the immediate future, especially for those grandchildren who may be identified as Hispanic or Asian.  Yes, it is complicated and difficult because it is both a personal issue and a public policy issue for me.  At least my children, and now my grandchildren, have the opportunities I did not because they benefit from being members of families that are part of the middle class, as long as their mixed racial identity is not systematically used against them.  Of course, so much of the anti-Obama rhetoric also gives me pause (e.g., he’s a Muslim, he’s not a citizen, etc.)  These kinds of claims suggest that there are more than a few persons in the USA who still would discriminate, even when the target is the President of the USA.

    I have long recognized the problem posed by birth of children outside of a stable relationship (married or not) but that is not the fault of the child so I see no reason to formulate or practice a public policy that would cause the child to suffer needlessly because of the parents’ poor judgment, no matter what race the child may be.  We still need to improve the schools that these children attend, whether or not their parents made a responsible choice to bring the children into this world.  The consequences for failure in this regard are clear as we look at crime and the economic decline of our nation.  We can do much better, even when struggling with the challenges of educating low-income children from single parent households.

  • rogerclegg

    Rick, the short answer to your second post is that the Supreme Court has rejected it — that is, it has rejected as a justification for racial preferences the existence of general, societal discrimination, as opposed to specific acts of discrimination by, in this instance, Harvard Law School.

  • rick1952

    Roger: fair point about the Supreme Court decision,  I think it is also fair to point out that in 1954 the Supreme Court rejected the 1896 Plessy v Ferguson decision.  So, it may well be that a future, less naive Supreme Court may reject the current court’s decision.  I understand that in the meantime, the law is the law and we will have to abide by it.

  • awegweiser

    Have a look at the creep that is her opponent, Cmdr, before issuing opinions. Yes, I just did but I have looked at his track record. Too bad I don’t live in MA but my son and his lady do and, like me, they never miss a major vote and few minor ones.

  • manoflamancha

    Thanks for your information. When did you last tour the region to determine the extent of poverty? I am a famous, or at least well-known, World Class Professor coming from that region. I want you to state the facts, and tell the truth abouit Appalachia. So far, you are just blowing smoke. Yes, Robert Byrd did bring a lot of pork barrel, but what of scholarships, fellowships, and individual aid to college students? “Neither of these is accurate”, but nonetheles, they are true. I suspect you are reacting as a black man from Appalachia, not true? Then of course, you would not be expected to tell the true and complete story. You are young, and unwise. Those Scots-Irish lads and lassies will rise eventually, without your helping hand, or the Obama government.  

  • social_scientist

     So “Commander Casey.” You’re living off Defense Department handouts and government pensions. And now you’re whining about affirmative action. You da man!

  • rogerclegg

    And MY side cites Plessy’s dissent, Rick.

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    M, you do not have “facts.” Your “facts” have been disputed by many authorities.

    I know this, first-hand. I know that those who complain constantly about “fairness” often GRAB the EARNED property of others. And will never be satisfied in their demands. They have a choice — fix their own problems or try another country.

    And S, try reading the Constitution. Look up “common defense.” Try to think. Good luck — you may have a brain that works.

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    Eliza. “Dances with Lies” Warren is a proven cheater and hypocrite, and deserves nothing. Except contempt. Just ask MALE American Indian law grads who have lived on reservation.

    Shame on you, Prof. Warren. Shame!

  • fizmath

    How about we just institute a South African style passbook system, complete with DNA data?  Then the liberal elite can decide who gets a job or seat in college based on a weighted point total of what their ancestors suffered over the past millenium.

  • chuckkle

    Gee Cmdr, what school did you graduate from?  how was it ranked?  I’ll decide on how worthy you are once I find out.

  • chuckkle

    Priceless….”I am a famous, or at least well-known, World Class Professor”!  Sure you are….and why do you then hide behind a a pseudonym?

    Chuck Kleinhans

  • mich8718

    I’d say he’s as much a “famous, or at least well-known, World Class Professor” as I am black.  I’d go on to defend further what I posted, but if manoflamancha’s post was indeed intended as serious commentary our perception of current condidtions in Appalacahia from Huntsville to Charleston WV and the positive impact of the ARC cannot apparently be reconciled.

  • rick1952

     Roger – again, fair point and bravo to your side for citing Harlan’s dissent.  However, I have to believe that your side does fully subscribe to Harlan’s dissent given his clear and direct expression of racial prejudice against the Chinese in his written opinion.

    Let me be clear – I don’t endorse racial discrimination against individuals, nor do I suspect you do.  What I do struggle with is the challenge of addressing the structural discrimination that exists in our society that too often links both race and socioeconomic status.  Have you read Michelle Alexander’s The New Jim Crow?  It seems we cannot separate easily race and class.  Addressing one without addressing the other seems to me to fail to get to the heart of the matter.  Any suggestions beyond saying we should not engage in affirmative action?

  • rogerclegg

    So, you accuse my side of being prejudiced against Asians — typically the victims, btw, of your side’s politically correct discrimnation — and then want to continue the dialogue?  Better be more civil or CHE will fire you.  Look, I’m all in favor of enforcing the laws prohibiting discrimination against URMs (and non-URMs) and I’m all in favor of social programs (like vouchers and school choice) for disadvantaged folks (of all colors).  And I’m for little platoons (starting with churches) and self-help to address problems like illegitimacy (the key problem now, as I indicated).  But I think that race-based preferences and programs are bad for everyone (bringing me back to my original post and the colorblind point in Harlan’s dissent that my side cites).

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    You obviously did not go to an Ivy-level college. It shows. Congrats.

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    ARC DEADWOOD

    Yeah, ARC’s positive effect. Even if it hired DEADWOOD and helped financially cripple the USA. Duh.

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    Yeah, ARC’s positive effect. Even if it hired DEADWOOD and helped financially cripple the USA. Duh.

  • 22261984

    Apology accepted, Rick.  I’ve enjoyed our exchange. (The reference to a CHE firing is just a tongue-in-cheek reference to the the Naomi Schaefer Riley matter.)

  • manoflamancha

    FYI, Scotch is a potent drink, Scots are a potent people!

  • manoflamancha

    As I said before Chuckie, you are a slanderous twit. I am hoping dear old Mavprof comes after you again:)

  • gfmohn

    Back in the 1970s, I was working in a district office of the Social Security Administration in an urban downtown location. We had two young women named “Fernandes” (or a variation). It is the difference made by the variation that is the point of this story.
     
    The first young woman was named “Fernandes.” Our affirmative action office had not noticed the “s.” Although she had not applied to Social Security through affirmative action, Miss Fernandes was showered with informational material telling her how affirmative action was going benefit her. She had to write back to the affirmative action office and explain to them what the “s” meant. The “s” meant that she was Portuguese-American, not Hispanic-American and, therefore, she did not qualify for affirmative action advantages.
     
    I never knew what was this woman’s own socio-economic class or whether she had suffered discrimination. However, she was from an area where Portuguese-Americans had suffered a great deal of discrimination. I had previously heard that community organizations in that area had once tried to get legal affirmative action status for Portuguese-Americans, but had failed.The second young woman was named “Fernandez,” with the protected “z.” We all knew what her class was, because she let us know it. She had grown up in an elegant apartment in Manhattan. She was of medium-height and was very slim and graceful. She had long, curly, light-brown hair and a pale complexion. She was the first in our office to wear designer jeans. Miss Fernandez did profit from affirmative action.
     
    Affirmative action was not intended to benefit merely the minority employees. Affirmative action was also intended to benefit the minorities among our clientele. Affirmative action would give them interviewers from their own groups, who would be more sympathetic to them and, in case of Hispanics and Orientals, might speak their language. By extending advantages to the “wrong” member of a minority (in the person of Miss Fernandez),  affirmative action failed badly in the second purpose. (This is not to say Miss Fernandez would not have been hired without affirmative action. She was an intelligent, well-educated employee.)
     
    The Administration did indeed gain a public benefit in considering Miss Fernandez status as an “Hispanic.” Because of our growing Hispanic clientele, we needed a Spanish translator very much, and she was our first. (However, just as there are non-Hispanics who speak excellent Spanish, nothing in affirmative action says that a person who benefits from affirmative action as an Hispanic has to speak Spanish.)
     
    However, Miss Fernandez was not quite the translator the Administration had in mind. If Miss Fernandez had an attitude with fellow staff members, this was nothing compared with her attitude toward the mostly Puerto Rican Hispanics who came to our office. They would be pleased when the receptionist would get across to them that we had someone who spoke Spanish. Then, you could see the change in the faces of these mostly short, swarthy, and poor people when they saw the elegant Miss Fernandez. When they heard her Castilian Spanish (which they were hearing for the first time), they knew that they were in for a hard time. When Miss Fernandez barked at the interviewees, we other staff members who did not speak Spanish assumed that she was taking advantage of our ignorance (and that of her supervisors) to tell her Hispanic clients what she thought of them.

  • jamescurrin

    Richard Kahlenberg’s solution to the corruption of affirmative action is to invent yet another category—class— for its application.  The Liberal mind is a wonderful thing to behold.

  • evansdoctor

    When we hear that someone is categorized X because  they are 1/32 X, is anyone reminded of how Nazis categorized someone as a Jew: one great grandparent?  Surely there is some irony here.

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    Hey, OweBama’s pals said it best — “G.D. AMERICA!”

    President Romney, you’re inheriting a huge mess. Good luck.

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    OweBama’s buddies say it best: “G.D. AMERICA!!”

    President Romney, you’re inheriting a huge mess. Good luck.

  • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

    E. WARREN’S FRAUD

    Q: How many days did she spend on-rez?

    A: NONE

    She’s a FRAUD, a PHONY, and UNQUALIFIED.

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