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Accessing Your Zotero Library on an iPad with Mendeley

May 5, 2011, 11:00 am

iPad in ActionOne of the most exciting developments with the research tool and citation manager Zotero is the push for Zotero Everywhere, a browser-independent version that we’ve already covered on ProfHacker. You can now use the alpha version of Standalone Zotero with Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Internet Explorer on any of the three major computing platforms: Windows, Mac, and Linux. But the one place you can’t use Zotero—and where I often need it most—is on the iPad.

It’s true that if you have a 3G iPad or a wifi connection, you can view your Zotero library from within Safari (provided you have enabled syncing). The web interface, however, is not searchable or optimized for a mobile experience. And plus, you have to be online to access it.

Enter Mendeley’s universal iPhone/iPad app. Mendeley is a research tool similar to Zotero (see our coverage of Mendeley for an introduction to the tool). And you can use it to get your Zotero library (including attached notes and PDFs) onto the iPad.

The workflow is fairly seamless, but does take multiple steps:

  1. Import your Zotero collection into Mendeley’s desktop application (available for Windows, Mac, and Linux). You can do this by selecting Zotero integration from within Mendeley’s preferences. Mendeley will find and import your Zotero library, as well as any future items you add to Zotero.
  2. Sign up for a free Mendeley account. Note that Mendeley follows a “freemium” model: free accounts provide 500 MB of personal storage space for your citations and associated PDF files, while a monthly fee will get you more storage space (e.g. 3.5 GB for $5/month, 7.5 GB for $10 month, etc.). Once you have your Mendeley account, sync the desktop application with your online account.
  3. Install the Mendeley iPad app, sign in to Mendeley with your account name and password, and sync.

That’s it! As you can see, there’s faceted browsing panel to scroll through various documents:

Mendeley iPad App

And selecting any given document will show that document’s details:

Mendeley iPad App Document Window

I do have a few caveats, however:

  • Since your storage space is limited (especially if you, like I do, opt for the free 1 GB level), I recommend selectively syncing your folders. In Mendeley Desktop, you can select which folders you want to sync.
  • Selective sync will also save time—the first time you sync to the Mendeley server can take 15-20 minutes, depending upon how many citations and files you’re syncing.
  • And the greatest drawback to this method: it’s one-way. If you make any changes to a reference within Mendeley, those changes will not be reflected in Zotero. This drawback is most apparent to me when I read PDFs. Let’s say I have a reference with an attached PDF in Zotero and I want to read it on my iPad (the Mendeley App has a native PDF reader, but you can also open PDFs in external apps, like iAnnotate). If I’m using the Zotero→Mendeley Desktop→Mendeley iPad app method, and I open that PDF on my iPad, any annotations I make on the PDF will not show up in Zotero.

Still, despite these caveats, I’ve found Mendeley to be a good way to have my Zotero library on hand, so to speak, on my iPad, even when I’m offline. Until somebody develops a Zotero app (which seems entirely reasonable, given that Zotero has an open read/write API), it’s an useful workaround.

Have you found other ways of accessing your Zotero collection on your mobile devices? Have you found that Mendeley works great for you without Zotero? What are the advantages or disadvantages of using one or the other (or both) for making your research sources available, wherever you are?

[iPad photo courtesy of Flickr user Incase / Creative Commons Licensed]

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  • http://www.samplereality.com Mark Sample

    I should point out that I didn’t mention an obvious use of the Mendeley iPad/iPhone app: to get your Mendeley library on your iPad. That is, you don’t need Zotero in order to use the app, or Mendeley, which are separate services. If Mendeley is your main reference manager, then the app is your perfect solution for accessing and (with the latest version of the app) editing your citations on your iOS device.

  • adam3smith

    There’s a thread on the Zotero forum with some suggestions on iPad workflows: http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/16892/ipad-workflow/ , though quite clearly they’re very cumbersome still – but the one-way direction of the Mendeley-Zotero sync essentially means that using the Mendeley app is not much of an option if you want to keep using Zotero as your principal reference manager.

    The hope is of course that now that the read and write api are online, smartphone and tablet apps will follow – though my understanding is that those would have to come from 3rd parties, I don’t think Zotero central has the capacity.

  • 609zr

    Thank you Mr. Christie for creating (filling) another worthless government position.  Excluding teachers, how many  government  education officials are there?  How much money will she make?  Some people talk a lot about cutting spending, but their actions are spend, spend.

  • 609zr

    I would like to edit this quote to read as follows:  embrace talented students from local universities, who enrich the nation by working in science and technology jobs and fueling innovation in their chosen fields here in the United States. 

    Educators need to empress upon students from an early age that science, technology, engineering, and mathematics will advance their own careers as well as the development of America.  Continued education and recruitment of foreigners at the expense of our own students leads to greater unemployment, and espionage.  Remember Los Alamos and dozens of others?

  • burger1234

    You are correct. The only problem is that admissions groups discriminate against local students in the name of diversity.  Another problem is that they don’t have as many requirments for foreign students as they do for American students.  I have never met one student from Asia who had volunteer experience, work experience, or any other extracurricular activities on their resumes (unless it was a complete lie they made up to get accepted).  However, for American students, they require all and more.  On top of that, most Asian students can’t even speak English as they cheat on their tests and even employ people to write their admissions papers for them.  I know, as I have been an educator in China for the past 7 years and have always had to deal with cheating.  It is disgusting how little American universities know about cheating from asian students , but yet they accept them blindly to STEM programs because they supposedly have good math.  The good math thing is also a myth. 

    Asian students only have one advantage; they know how to cheat and show face.  US admission groups need to stop discriminating against American students and demand more proof that these massive amounts of Asian students flooding US universities are actually qualified enough to be there.  I know that some of my student were accepted to George Washington University, Maryland University, and Boston University even though I know for a fact that these students are cheats and are seriously under-qualified.  This is one reason I am finished with being an educator in China (I have recently changed career paths.)

  • 11333651

    It sounds as if you’ve had unpleasant personal experiences that you are using as the basis for biased generalizations. 

  • daniel_von_flanagan

    While I completely support this program (and liberalized visa policy in general), there are many fields on this list for which there is clearly no shortage of fresh PhDs.  In some there are dozens or even hundreds of recent PhD applicants for every open position.  On the other hand, every time we hire a foreign national we have to file some nonsense avowing that the person is superior to every available US candidate, so perhaps the steady receipt of such statements has convinced ICE that it is actually true.

  • burger1234

    Really?  I speak the truth, and you make claims I have some an emotional response that is biased? Go and ask any American PhD how much volunteer work they did before and during undergraduate school.  Then ask someone from China.  I saw everyday in my previous work Chinese students cheating on tests and their teachers allowing such cheating.  Yes, my response is due to my experience with Asian students, which means I’m sure I know how unqualified most of them are.  The student I know who is going to attend Boston can’t even speak English; her American boyfriend helped her write her papers.  I have to speak Chinese to her.  And, this is just one examle of many during my 7 years here.  My “bias” is an accurate one.  Your bias is an uninformed one. In the meantime, American students are still discriminated against by US University addmissions groups.   

  • burger1234

    It is easy to see that your reponse is very biased, and a good example of how people in your position discriminate against better qualified American students.   

  • daniel_von_flanagan

    Not at all.  We hire based entirely on how well candidates fit our needs, and pay no attention to their country of origin.  Most of our hires are American.  The problem is that the Dept. of Labor requires that to hire  a foreign national we must “[demonstrate] that there
    are insufficient qualified U.S. workers available and willing to perform the
    work at wages that meet or exceed the prevailing wage paid for that occupation in the area of intended employment,” which is a different standard from “best fit for our department and needs.”  So we assert the former in the documents we file when we mean the latter.

    Whyever would we discriminate against a “better qualified” American student?  We want the best person we can hire, and American candidates have the extra benefit of no added visa work for us.

  • katisumas

    Burger, I hope you’re not talking about Asian American students, right?

    As for foreign students, and particularly Chinese foreign students, just think about this when you buy stuff made in China:  the trade imbalance is helped by having Chinese students come to the US and pay out of state tuition without financial aid.  It’s a drop in the bucket, but don’t we need all the drops we can find since we gave up on manufacturing just about anything?

    If you do actually speak Chinese, there are lots of opportunities in business for you….. 

  • burger1234

    You are talking about economics; I am talking about academics and academic honesty. 

    A couple points:
    1. I do speak Chinese, as most foreigners who live in China do, and I did find a job in a company using my Chinese.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  This has nothing to do with what I said.
    2. The US is still the largest manufacturing nation in the world in dollar terms.  It has mostly been automized, thus less people than before.  Anyone who claims the US doesn’t make anything must be an English major. 
    3. The trade imbalance won’t be helped by poor quality students flooding our universities.  In fact, it hurts the quality of our universities and takes up space for more qualified students from other countries or even Americans. 
    4. Asian Americans are Americans.  Typically, Asians and Whites are equal in educational attainment and test scores, but one has a lower sampling when statistics are involved.  The results are obvious if you understand statistics. 

    I believe that American universities should be for Americans first.  If there are spaces left over, they can be filled with high-quality foreign students, but those students need to be held to the same standards as Americans: extra curricular activities such as volunteer work, travel experience, sports, music, clubs, and general work experience.  If they don’t have it, they are not as qualified as American students. 

     

  • EmmaMmm

    To private schools.  Or to the private sector, where we’ll be competing with you for your job.  Watch out.  We’re smart, resourceful and have already been taught to do more with less.

  • EmmaMmm

     Only true on the state level. Local administration ignores the overwhelming majority of their faculty at their peril.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660519158 Bob De Schutter

    I found a solution that works a lot better for me than the Mendeley app. Also, if you’re a bit handy with Python scripting, this solution could be improved to work two-ways (which I don’t need myself but which might be interesting to other people).

    I’ve written an article about it on my blog. It’s only fifteen minutes of work to setup:
    http://www.bobdeschutter.be/?p=498

    Personally, I still prefer Zotero above Mendeley. One of the reasons for that is that Zotero allows users like me to come up with custom solutions if a feature is missing. :-)

  • reinking

    The .edu vs .com issue is more than a navigational or promotional issue.  In teaching children how to critically evaluation information on the Internet, a prominent and relatively easily monitored indicator of potential bias is the .edu/.com distinction.  On the other hand, in the case of many so-called educational institutions today, perhaps .com would be a more accurate moniker.

  • ahirshon

    Is there anyone out there who still seriously thinks that a URL has any real marketing value?

  • landrumkelly

    I confess that my feeble mind would never remember nor even consider trying to remember getintoweber.edu, but I might remember weber.edu.

    If I could get to the latter, and if I were college material, then I should be able to navigate the university site and find “admissions.”  If not, then I might want to rethink investing in a college education.

  • theart

    They’re marketing to the tl;dr generation.  If it takes more than a couple of clicks to get from the main page to admissions, a student who’s looking at several dozen schools simply won’t bother.

    They may also be getting a lot of their traffic from snail mail materials, and a direct url is more aesthetically pleasing and easier to copy than something with a bunch of slashes.

  • drjeff

    Everyone but (us) Internet geeks hates this, partly because hardly anyone understands it.

  • drjeff

    True.  When I was teaching “how to use the Internet” to high schoolers, that was a significant point.  But that was years ago.  Today, it means “sites with a .edu will have a very strong liberal bias; sites with a .com, not so much, with a few (mostly ‘news’) exceptions” (e.g.: huffingtonpost.com, nytimes.com).

  • drjeff

    Google automatically gives you a higher Page Rank if your domain ends with “.edu”!  That’s worth millions per year to those who know how to monetize it.

  • drjeff

    More like “their lame home page needs a serious redesign.” N.B.: http://xkcd.com/773/

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12462584 Jeremy Harmon

    Oh no! Not liberal bias! Whatever shall we do? Won’t someone please think of the children?

  • librarydirector

    Can’t speak to marketing value, but for the past 15 years the general characteristics of a domain type have been a useful shorthand when teaching students about the nature of web-based information.  I have never heard of .edu signifying a liberal bias, but I have certainly long considered, and long recommended .edu domains as being more reliable as scholarly information than .com or .biz.  In terms of our students and their information literacy, the proliferation of domain types will further cloud an already murky area.  Most folks, even in academia, would not believe how shaky undergraduate understanding is of the significance of domain designations.

  • isenhour

    I don’t see the .edu domain system as being broken at present.  Even in flush financial times, I don’t see many universities putting up a huge financial outlay for a .myedudomain, even less buying up preemptive  permutations to keep them away from .xxx or other top levels.

    With .com, .org, .net,  I can preemptively buy out permutations subject to abuse (or reserve for other purposes) for a very small amount.  Part of the big upfront cost of the new domain structure is to keep small time companies from poaching.

    Some of the .com or other sites referencing back to the .edu one seems pretty common for athletics and other organizations, etc.  I don’t see any problem with that.

  • http://amandafrench.net Amanda French

    What I don’t understand is why there’s no discussion of “.org” in this article. I’m not opposed to universities using other TLDs for ancillary sites, but surely “.org” is more in line with what a university is SUPPOSED to be about.

  • acaciarw

    Actually, I think .com sites are much more “liberal” since they permit any type of material to be presented without analysis, peer-review, or any basis in fact.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=654725239 Tammy Bartolet

    This is not going to go forward. It doesn’t make sense for universities to invest in something that makes them the same as everyone else.

  • cwinton

    Why any reputable university would want to be labeled a .com is beyond me.  Internet suffixes like .edu, .gov, .org, and yes, .com are intended to provide a first level of screening for users.  In particular, I would immediately assume a site labeled getintoweber.com to be a scamming or porn site hoping to gull the naive or attract the prurient.  We should all be thankful that domains such as .edu and .org are restricted.

  • 3rdtyrant

    It may make marketing easier, but it’s a deal with the devil that universities must not make.  To allow the .edu domain to be equated with .com is to cheapen the very valuable information from university websites–making a vast wikipedia of the whole mix.  The commodification of the university website may only be a symbolic surrender, but it’s a symbolic surrender in the largest gallery of human perception, and ought not to happen.

  • http://www.wikispaces.umb.edu Christian

    Sadly, .org is no longer restricted–and has lost much of its cachet as a result. Perhaps I’m old fashioned, but I still use domains as a convenient filter: I trust content from .edu, I only donate to a .org, and trust nothing from .biz or .info.

  • http://twitter.com/jokrausdu Joe Kraus

    So they bought getintoweber.com to redirect to http://www.weber.edu/getintoweber.  All of the content is still at a .edu site, and Google/Google scholar searches will still find content at .edu, not the .com site.  Big deal.

  • jkline

    Not to sound petty, but the Weber State spokesperson needs to get some technical chops. Many institutions have several URLs that they use for marketing and branding purposes. Institutions create a landing page within their edu domain to handle the redirection from that (.com) landing page. Landing pages are the most effective way to direct your audience but still have the content indexed within the edu domain. This isn’t rocket science…companies have been doing this for years.

    As the only TLD that requires verification (other than .mil/.gov), keeping as much as possible in the edu domain is a good thing for an institution.

  • admissionsguy

    This whole thing is not really that complicated.  

    In a marketing sense, it is much easier to use a .com (i.e. getintoweber.com) than using some convoluted subdomain.  With the short attention span of high school kids (and many adults,) you have very little time to make an impression.  If some domain is used that pushes students to your school, what is the big deal?  Frankly, I’ve advised administrators of this tactic for some time and believe it is a good tool to funnel students to your Admissions page.  

  • drjeff

    Doesn’t bother the children.  Children are naturally liberals anyway.

  • drjeff

    You’re free to start your own domain (.snob maybe) and make your criterion “non-profit accredited post-secondary educational institutions.”  Go for it.  Just pay your money and make your choice.  Maybe you could even take a page from the .XXX guy, and send out a blackmail letter (“For a mere $12,000, you can ensure that no-one will ever be able to register phoenix.snob”).  No, I have never had any association with any for-profit school*.  I just don’t see why the unprovoked vitriol.

    * Full disclosure: Public elem., private (jr) high, Ivy undergrad, State grad, work for a “highly selective” (Ivy wanna-be) private non-profit U.  Also taught in public and non-profit private high schools.

  • socafish

    @chronicle-db86b46760e47dba2bc98b9558aa20cb:disqus This is FRAUD!

    Not if it’s legal, then its capitalism.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Antsy-Kuhnwisse/100002159499682 Antsy Kuhnwisse

    I admire him, too, but if you download his statement, you’ll see he had another reason as well:

    “By into the fall of last year, it had been brought to my attention that [Vantage's program manager] was concerned that my lead production had fallen below the team average …. Having never been terminated in my working career, I made the decision to protect my record and leave the company in December of last year. I’m now currently employed at one of the best jobs I’ve ever had and have no regrets…and no reason to bare a grudge.”

    But he goes on to say:

    “I just feel bad, I feel bad that I was part of something that took advantage of people, a lot of them kids still in high school. I feel bad being witness to fellow workers losing their jobs for not being in compliance with the policies of a client whose business model can not function without first excelling in deceit.”

    I have no doubt that both motives were in play.

  • katybrandes

    It’s especially disconcerting when students seek nursing degrees that lead to no state board of nursing credentials or Education programs that include no guidance for state certification to teach!

  • vicky_phillips

    As someone who is inside the online college directory industry I will tell you that consumers are 3 to 20 times more likely to click on an ad that mentions the name of a trusted state or residential college.

    The lead generation mills know this and are not shy about using the best bait available to them. Ethics are not a consideration in this sector.

    Is this deceptive? Yes, I believe it is, but the dominant business model for online college directories is lead generation.

    Colleges can help buy not patronizing lead gen systems.

    As long as
    colleges see the pay per lead system as a good way to get students the
    students will encounter these aggressive ploys which routinely use the
    best bait to get that lead.

    State colleges need to understand that their names are worth a great deal in attracting students.
    They need to protect this asset and use it to honestly attract interested students.

    Vicky Philips
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  • jcissell

    Here’s one that looks suspicious. Google usadegreeprograms.com and the name of your college to see if they’re using your name without your permission to generate leads.

  • msearer

    So I visited educationstart.org to see how this process flows…It asked me to select a state, I selected Indiana, then I selected one of the IU schools. Interesting to note that the flagship campus for IU, IU Bloomington is not listed…hmmm. So I selected Indiana University Northwest and completed the web form and submitted. he next page reads Thank You with a message we’ve found another school in your area that matches your interests. 

    I click continue and this takes me to a page with a University Of Phoenix ad on the left and a web form to request more information on the right. I also have the option of skipping this school and reviewing another, which I did, for another twelve clicks with different schools listed on each page along with web forms to request information.

    The schools in order are: Phoenix, Grand Canyon, Walden, Capella, Kaplan, North Central, Strayer, American Intercontinental, USC Rossier, Keiser University, and finally Seneca. What suprised me was Benedictine and Saint Xavier which are two for profits located near me in Illinois who also now offer online programs. So it’s not just the for-profits.

    I am eager to receive a call from Indiana University Northwest to see if they actually receive my request….or will another entity call me to try to convince me to consider one of the schools mentioned above.

    At least with the online process the text is clear that you are requesting information from a nother school, however it may not be so clear to a high school student new to this process for if one only reads the web form on the left, and dismissing the school’s logo on the left as just an ad, then you may think you are requesting further information from your intended school on financial aid and such.

    So we’ll see if they call, however at this point with the attention this article may bring, I’m not sure they will. And I also will be curious to see if IU Northwest calls….to determine whether educationstart.org or Vantage really did refer my request to them.

    The practice in the article of calling leads that were to be directed to other schools would be considered deceit and potentially fraudulent, however their online presence appears ot be fairly clear. The schools listed are obviously paying for this lead generation service, but I wonder how many leads for the publics are actually forwarded, for it’s unlikely they are paying and frankly most are probably not aware they are listed here and on other websites like this one.

  • Who_Profits

    Has anyone ever wondered what the Nation’s public school system would be like if the Liberal agenda had not been pushed in education? Accountability no longer exists in this Country. Human decency is hard to come by and thus there is fertile ground for such fraud and deception. If Americans were better prepared for college then the market for these sham schools would not exist. If academics would get off their high horse and allow for some creative course offerings to accommodate non-traditional students, the market for these sham schools would not exist. If Americans were actually taught to think, they would be more savvy consumers not so easily fooled by such Internet practices.Free enterprise and capitalism have become four-letter words.

  • livebythegoldenrule

    Vantage’s name should be changed to “Take Advantage.”

  • Who_Profits

    I meant this to be its own post…not a reply to anyone. Sorry about that.

    Has anyone ever wondered what the Nation’s public school system would be like if the Liberal agenda had not been pushed in education? Accountability no longer exists in this Country. Human decency is hard to come by and thus there is fertile ground for such fraud and deception. If Americans were better prepared for college then the market for these sham schools would not exist. If academics would get off their high horse and allow for some creative course offerings to accommodate non-traditional students, the market for these sham schools would not exist. If Americans were actually taught to think, they would be more savvy consumers not so easily fooled by such Internet practices.Free enterprise and capitalism have become four-letter words.
     
    I love the way our political parties blame the other side for the Nation’s ills when there is plenty of blame to go around. What has happened to America?

  • Who_Profits

    No

  • ychumanities

    “I love the way our political parties blame the other side for the
    Nation’s ills when there is plenty of blame to go around. What has
    happened to America?” 

    You mean like blaming the problem of for-profit companies that sell the idea that education should be stripped of all liberal arts in favor of job training and that exploit a lack of regulation on a “Liberal agenda?”

  • Who_Profits

     By ‘liberal agenda’ I mean those of political liberals., This has NOTHING to do with liberal arts.

  • Who_Profits

    On another note…job training is not such a bad thing either. Whatever happened to trade schools at the high school level. Not everyone should go to college but everyone should be able to earn an honest living.

  • http://who-will-kiss-the-pig.blogspot.com Richard Grayson

    Can you elaborate?  What evidence do you have for your final statement?  Can you give examples?  What do you mean by “creative course offerings?  Can you give examples?

  • Who_Profits

    “creative course offerings” – let’s face it. If you work full time it is virtually impossible to complete a degree at your loical campus, especially if your job requires you to travel. Also, if you work full time and desire a graduate degree, good luck. If the program isn’t offered near where you live, you either have to quit your job and move or forgo the degree.
     
    Regarding American’s inability to think, I teach college and see this every day, particularly when the Internet is involved. I blame this on the general dumbing down of our education system. One look at a student’s facebook page clearly demonstrates a naivete that’s almost frightening. They do not have an appropriate understanding of trust and security in that they tend to trust far too easily.

  • dank48

    I like the idea of high school kids being “counseled” by someone who says he has “no reason to bare a grudge.”

    Yeah, those grudges get grumpy when you expose them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Antsy-Kuhnwisse/100002159499682 Antsy Kuhnwisse

    “I love the way our political parties blame the other side for the Nation’s ills when there is plenty of blame to go around. What has happened to America?”

    You mean like blaming the “Liberal agenda” for lack of accountability and human decency, and the inability of people to think?

  • austinbarry

    If the public schools could somehow quantify how many potential students were diverted away, and calculate how much tuition they potentially lost, they might be able to hit Vantage up for $$$.  I also feel sorry for any legitimate education consultant whose reputation is no doubt suffering.  

    The whole thing reminds me of the scams that Lonely Planet warns travelers about – taking a taxi to a reputable hotel and being told that it is “full, blown up, etc” and taken to a disreputable place that the driver receives commission from.  Have we sunk to this level.

    As for shortfalls in education, perhaps they should start teaching Consumers Ed and immunize students against this sort of scam.

  • lizziec

    Although these institutions (for-profits) try to hide behind their mantra of “serving those students who the public institutions ignore”, the evidence continues to roll out that they rely on tricks, fast talk, questionable admissions standards and other chicanery to make their money.

    I am always incredulous when their defenders rush in with mud-slinging toward the non-profits (who have their own issues, certainly) and one of these days I am going to remember to stop with the list I have compiled from years of observing these clowns, and simply ask this question:

    “if what you offer is truly a high quality education that leads to great jobs and salaries, why all the tricks and slight of hand?”

    Think about it.

  • Who_Profits

    That’s exactly what I mean. I remember a time when an education really meant something and one had to earn a diploma or a degree. Now we cannot , and I do mean ‘cannot’ hold students responsible for anything. Grade inflation, dumbing dow, and social promotions have changed both the landscape and the culture of education.

    Note that my blaming the liberal agenda is not taking a political side. I belong to neither party. I look at each issue individually and assess all options on their own merit.

  • ychumanities

    Yes,  who_profits, I know exactly what you mean.  You are blaming the political “other side” for the ills of for-profit universities.  I love when people do that too.

  • ychumanities

    Forget it, Antsy.  Who_profits is evidently blind to the irony.

  • Who_Profits

    Reply to ychumanities 
    “Yes,  who_profits, I know exactly what you mean.  You are blaming the political “other side” for the ills of for-profit universities.  I love when people do that too.”

    No, actually I am not. I am blaming what has happened to K-12 education in this country for making fertile ground for student exploitation by the for-profits and I am blaming the political decision to so easily funnel money to schools, no matter how legitimate or effective, through students, no matter how capable or prepared. I am also blaming the big business attitude of making that bottom line no matter the cost or devastation to others. One political side made it too easy for students to get through school without proper or sufficient learning and the oher political side made it too easy take advantage of these students and then get rich in the process, Both sides share blame and responsibility. The issues surrounding the exploits of the for profits are many and complex and the solutions are not readily apparent or easily implemented.

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