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Champions of Infanticide? 2 Bioethicists Find the Question Is More Than Academic

March 2, 2012, 3:50 pm

If you sat down to write an inflammatory paper, just for giggles, you might come up with something like “After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?” But Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva were serious when they argued in that recent paper, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, that it would be morally permissible to kill a newborn if that newborn might be an “unbearable burden.”

They were not talking only about severely disabled infants (which is a controversial idea, but one that’s been floated before). They were talking about perfectly healthy newborns that for some reason—financial, psychological, whatever—would pose a problem for their parents or society.

Of course there’s been a backlash. The authors have received death threats. They’re being compared to Nazis on Twitter. Pro-life activists are using the paper to make a slippery-slope, we-told-you-this-would-happen case. Commenters are attributing the view of these particular two bioethicists to all ethicists, and by extension to all liberals and Democrats, including the president of the United States, who apparently is—and this was news to me—already a champion of infanticide.

The editor of the journal, Julian Savulescu, has written a defense of the paper, asserting that it is the online invective directed at its authors that is disturbing. The editor who green-lighted the paper, Kenneth Boyd, also responded, saying that while he did not agree with the authors, he thought it was of “sufficient academic quality” to publish.

Just this morning, the authors themselves published an explanation in which they apologized, kind of. Here’s an excerpt:

We are really sorry that many people, who do not share the background of the intended audience for this article, felt offended, outraged, or even threatened. We apologise to them, but we could not control how the message was promulgated across the internet and then conveyed by the media. In fact, we personally do not agree with much of what the media suggest we think. Because of these misleading messages pumped by certain groups on the internet and picked up for a controversy-hungry media, we started to receive many emails from very angry people (most of whom claimed to be Pro-Life and very religious) who threatened to kill us or which were extremely abusive.

No doubt many members of the intended audience of philosophers and ethicists would disagree with the paper’s conclusion, but it’s unlikely that they would suggest summary execution of the authors and editors, as one blogger did. The authors point out that philosophical discussion of infanticide isn’t new: Peter Singer has famously argued that newborns don’t qualify as persons and so their lives are less valuable than the lives of self-aware, fully grown animals like pigs and chimps.

But Singer’s argument is usually framed around severely disabled infants. Giubilini and Minerva contend that this same logic can be applied to healthy infants whose care would be an encumbrance. Like Singer, they see newborns as potential persons, rather than actual persons, and so their deaths would be “morally irrelevant.” As Savulescu, the editor of the journal, writes, what makes the paper novel is “their application in consideration of maternal and family interests.”

So how do Giubilini and Minerva think the media have mischaracterized their argument? The authors complain that they do not, in fact, think that euthanasia of children should be “permissible for months or years,” only shortly after birth.

I’m willing to bet right now that such a caveat will do little to stem the outrage. Specifying that you’re arguing for the killing of newborns rather than toddlers is a distinction that’s likely to persuade only a select few.

The authors also make clear that this is not a legislative proposal. They’re not going door-to-door with a petition to do away with the recently born. In their non-apology apology, they write that they’re making these arguments in an “academic sense” and that they’re not telling anyone what they “should” do.

That very word—should—shows up in the last sentence of their paper. People, they write, “should be given the chance of not being forced to do something they cannot afford,” a roundabout way of saying that if a mother is too poor or too distressed to raise the baby she’s given birth to, then it’s ethically OK for the baby to be killed.

As for whether this is simply academic, the paper’s argument is rooted in real-world examples, like the law in the Netherlands that permits euthanasia for very ill infants. If policy makers took the paper seriously, and found its arguments persuasive, isn’t it at least conceivable that it might then lead to actual changes in policy? Is it really crazy to think they meant what they wrote?

(Alberto Giubilini is a teaching associate at the Centre for Human Bioethics at Monash University, in Australia. Francesca Minerva is a postdoc at the Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics at Melbourne University. Tauriq Moosa writes in support of the authors’ right to argue in a post at Big Think. Also, this Chronicle Review piece by Lennard J. Davis about “biocultural literacy” is worth a read. So is Jonathan Swift. )

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  • alexsim

    I was in DC a couple of years ago and saw the Solar Decathlon at the Mall. I would never have known about it if it hadn’t been in such a prominent place. I think moving it is a really unwise decision. As for tearing up the grounds, the Mall has been in sad shape for a long time and no one seems to want to fund improving it. It’s a sad commentary on one of the preeminent places in the capitol city of the U.S.

  • barista

    Friedman’s idea, to integrate remediation of the site into the competition, seems a brilliant win-win, especially if the remediation is effective enough to further the projected improvement of the Mall, as conceived by the DOE.

  • _perplexed_

    Is this solar decathalon the same outfit that blocked the participation of Ariel University, because it is located on the West Bank, when the event was held in Spain in 2009?

  • http://twitter.com/johnandrew80 johnandrew80

    This is worth preserving.

  • tshowo

    Remediation of The Mall according to sustainable principles such as those embodied by the Solar Decathlon might look very different from the thirsty, chemical-hungry monoculture of a lawn that exists there now. A proposed design for a more sustainable version of The Mall that still (or even better) fulfills its civic role would really be a win-win.

  • bkellyumd

    @ perplexed: No. This Solar Decathlon is sponsored by the United States Department of Energy and is only held in the US.

    @ tshowo: In my 30 years of living in DC I have never seen an application of fertilizer to the lawn on the Mall, no less other forms of maintenance. Your statement about monoculture is narrow minded. There is a place for turf, perhaps not everywhere, but the Mall is certainly an appropriate application. Indeed there could be proposals for a more sustainable Mall, but tossing out the turf is not the only option.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marc-Miller/100000393769971 Marc Miller

    As a former Solar Decathlon team member, there a — comments that I would like to point out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marc-Miller/100000393769971 Marc Miller

    As a former Solar Decathlon team member, there are a few issues that I would like to point out.

    The Mall is essentially designed as monoculture, given that a specific turf is specified of installation in order to best ensure at set of performance characteristics that include low maintenance, high resistance to disease, a high level of performance based on multiple types of traffic, and resilience to weeds. Soil quality also poses a potential problem, given the level of compaction and lack of nutrients, preventing successful installation of the specified turf. In addition, the proper re-eastablisment will take far longer than the period allotted for the competition.

    Given this, the suggestion that landscape architecture students be more involved with teams to remediate the site after the competition is inappropriate. It suggests that the site conditions on the Mall are akin to a front yard and the simple application of some seeds and water will address the site conditions. It also suggests that the role of the landscape architects is to merely fix the damage created in construction.

    Added to that, the comment that landscape architecture students are underrepresented in the competition may be accurate but does not take into account the fact that landscape architecture students have been involved in the competition since the beginning. A range of proposals about how residential landscapes can more actively engage the building envelope, improve performance and mitigate impacts. Despite this, no scored opportunities exist for the innovative application of plant material or sites. Rather than inviting landscape architects to participate iplacing parsley on the pig, inclusion in scoring would be more effective.

  • finnbarr

    Why do most of the poets featured here live in Virginia?

  • couch

    @finnbarr: using the Chronicle search, the previous 21 “Monday’s Poem” columns show these poets; I’ve added their current states of residence. By my count 12 states (& DC) are represented including VA (5), CA (3), NY (2), and MO (2). VA poets hardly make up “most” of the list. The variety is a refreshing change from the usual bicoastal myopia, though the residences of poets, like those of scholars, often have more to do with where they happen to find (transient) grad school places or jobs than with origin or other affiliation, as a look at the bios of the poets below will quickly show. The list:

    O’Rourke – NY
    Hart – VA
    Larsen – VA
    Reddy – IL
    Fried – MO
    Daniels – TN
    Teare – CA
    Marvin – NY
    Cushman – VA
    Szybist – OR
    Smith – VA
    Hillman – Bay area, CA
    Klink – Cambridge, MA
    Ali – Oberlin, OH
    Petrosino – KY
    Phillips – MO
    Chang – VA
    Muske-Dukes – CA
    Dargan – DC
    Samyn – WV
    Baker – OH

  • http://twitter.com/sciliz Rebecca Weinberg

    So… among bright but disadvantaged students, the ones that are capable of embracing the prevailing cultural values system most completely (as evidenced by going to a higher prestige institution) end up succeeding most by the prevailing cultural value (making the most money).

  • bscmath78

    What would have happened if Polish and British mathematicians, and other boffins, hadn’t used their “trivial research” [1] to break the Enigma Code? How much harder would have WW II been to win if the Western Allies didn’t know the Nazi military orders?

    What would have happened if “trivial research” hadn’t enabled the US to break Japanese codes?

    * What if Pearl Harbor and Manila hadn’t been warned to expect a Japanese attack?

    * What if the US hadn’t decoded the infamous December 7, 1941 cable to the Japanese Embassy, hours BEFORE the Japanese Embassy did?

    * What if the US radar unit hadn’t caught the first Japanese attack approaching Pearl Harbor?

    Oh! things didn’t happen as they should during December 1941, but the code-breaking did have much better battlefield results after December 7.

    As Robbie Burns wrote:

    “The best-laid plans of mice and Men
    Go oft awry
    And leave us nothing but grief and pain”

    Or as G.I.’s used to say:

    “SNAFU!”

    Science and Technology gives one a better chance, that doesn’t prevent it from it being misused or ignored. Which is another reason to have plenty of alternatives and backups when it comes to weapons and counter-measures.

    [1] The “trivial research” quotation is from Professor Vedder’s March 10, 2011 article, in a blanket point about faculty in general. Please see:

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/the-revolution-of-rising-expectations/28804

    Please see my comments there for further questioning of “trivial research”.

  • bscmath78

    Dear brad_sullivan, please explain how I have misrepresented (you used “straw men and women”) Professor Vedder’s position when I wrote:

    “When Professor Vedder writes about “trivial research” he is probably thinking of MLA members or Humanities professors in general.”
    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/the-revolution-of-rising-expectations/28804

    Don’t you think he is thinking of his English/Humanities professor colleagues in Ohio or elsewhere, or the professors he had, or ideological opponents like Cary Nelson, the self-described “red-diaper baby” and “tenured radical” or others of his ilk, when he was writing his March 10 article or other related articles? If you think I am misrepresenting Cary Nelson please see his 1995 article http://www.jstor.org/stable/466910 and his 1997 “Manifesto of a Tenured Radical”. Or see the views that are referenced approvingly in this very Professor Donoghue article. Professor Vedder has had the opportunity to respond to my various comments challenging the facts and interpretations in various articles, but he has remained silent as have English/Humanities professors.

    Did I misrepresented the author Professor Frank Donoghue when I challenged him in the comments on his interpretation of “Academically Adrift” and Professor Vedder in his earlier articles? He and English/Humanities professors have remained silent.

    Aren’t the studies Professor Vedder cites probably skewed towards English/Humanities courses (especially service courses)?

    So was I wrong to comment negatively about Professor Vedder’s comments about “trivial research”?

    I note that as of 1:00PM March 16, 2011, my challenge of his work in the comments remains both unsupported and unchallenged. The English/Humanities professors who read the CHE have repeatedly failed to challenge Professor Vedder’s facts, methodologies or interpretations (with possibly a few exceptions)

  • willynilly

    NO, It should not be an Entitlement. It should be a national priority.

  • bscmath78

    Dear brad_sullivan, regarding your suggestion about reading “Capitalism’s Dismal Future”. You can’t tag the technological elite with the South Sea Bubble, the railway and canal schemes of the 19th Century or any of the long litany of recessions and depressions, some of which are mentioned in that article. That article seems to blame “Capitalism”. The comments seem to show a fair degree of difference of opinion regarding that article.

    You can’t even tag the dot-com bubble on the technological elite since it was easy credit, fraud, lax regulation and speculators that allowed that one. The closest that you might get would be the 1998 LTCM melt-down which had two Nobel Prize winning economists, but that was handled without pain for the general public and without learning any lessons about derivatives. It was also triggered by the Russian collapse. LTCM isn’t even mentioned by the article.

    It is true that there is a recurring pattern of excessive optimism in exploiting the “next big thing” in technology whether canals, railways, cars, radio or computers. Many companies compete, most fail. It is true that a new interpretation of “Paradise Lost” does not generate the same enthusiasm among gullible speculators looking to get rich quick. It is true that technology has made it easier for many to exercise their freedom to do foolish things.

    I don’t think the technological elite came up with Liar Loans, No Income No Job (NINJA) loans, No Money Down Loans or any other related schemes. But I do get the impression that some CHE readers think that it was English/Humanities professors who taught those who did or who profited enormously during the bubble and then collected millions more during the failure and bailout. Has there been an analysis of the educational background of those who profited at the million plus level? In any case, it was not the technological elite, it was the Financial Elite. It wasn’t Microsoft, Apple, Google, CISCO or the other Tech giants that were doing this.

    The article you mention, does mention the answer an official Commission came up with:

    “having been caused by a combination of lax governmental regulation and excessive risk-taking by lenders and borrowers, particularly in the housing market.”

    No mention of technology. I think that those running regulation and lending were more likely to have been taking English/Humanities than STEM in college, but I can’t prove it.

    You wrote:

    “before insisting that the REAL answer is to continue building our technological elite.”

    I wasn’t providing an answer, “REAL” or otherwise to the current economic problems. I was challenging some particular viewpoints as represented in the Professor Donoghue article. STEM does not provide a solution for: criminality, stupidity, greed, ignorance, gullibility, laziness, selfishness etc.. I don’t remember any STEM class suggesting that such solutions would be available as a result of the course.

  • bscmath78

    Dear brad_sullivan, you wrote:

    “The best Humanities/English profs help students to understand rhetoric, and history, and the essential role that metaphors and models play in our views of “reality.” We could use a lot more of such “trivial” work.”

    Where are these best profs? What percentage of students attend their classes? What percentage of those students “understand rhetoric, and history” a year after college? What percentage of those use their understanding of “rhetoric, and history” to fleece the gullible? What percentage of those use their understanding to work on Madison Avenue, K Street and Wall Street to manipulate “reality” to their advantage? Why do Professors Vedder and Donoghue make no mention of these best professors? Why are these professors silent? Maybe they existed once. Are they now dead, retired, administrators, away from undergrads or away from academia?

    BTW, Professor Vedder was talking about “trivial research” in the article I was referring to, not “trivial work”. His recurrent complaint is that professors are not teaching undergrads enough and not making them work hard. His article makes no mention of college resulting in the understanding of anything. In fact, he claims:

    “learn little about how to think critically or write well while in school;” in:

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/the-revolution-of-rising-expectations/28804

    Variants of this claim appear in earlier articles and he claims support for these views from studies including “Academically Adrift”. I have seen persistent claims elsewhere by supporters of English/Humanities that English/Humanities professors teach undergrads “how to think critically or write well”. Actually, they claim both are done and some claim “complex reasoning” is taught as well. But “Academically Adrift” claims little of any of this actually happens for many college students. In fact, an associated document shows that Science/Math majors edge out Social Science/Humanities majors for best predicted CLA score. So who else would Professor Vedder be thinking of when expresses displeasure with the job done in this area? So how likely is it that I misrepresented Professor Vedder’s position by my suggesting that it was “probably thinking of MLA members or Humanities professors in general.” It is possible that he is just thinking of English profs.

    Yet there is just silence from English/Humanities professors. I can’t have misrepresented their position, because they have failed to articulate one. They have done an excellent job of making Professors Vedder’s case against at least English/Humanities professors. I seek to reject the painting of STEM and medical research with the same brush.

    If you abandon the field to Professor Vedder, his associates and his followers, don’t you deserve to be sacrificed to them, to help protect those who are willing to protect themselves? If you demonstrate a lack of “critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing skills” in your own defense, don’t you deserve to be sacrificed, if only to stop your aiding and abetting of Professor Vedder? Though maybe your silence is “the lesser of two evils” given what some English/Humanities professors have previously written.

  • bscmath78

    You wrote: “The best Humanities/English profs help students to understand rhetoric, and history..”

    Don’t you think it would be more effective if most read/saw in high school, on their own time, of their own free will:

    * Orwell’s “Animal Farm”, novel and 1954 animated film.

    * Orwell’s “1984″, novel and 1956 film.

    * Huxley’s “Brave New World” novel.

    * The 1969 documentary “The Sorrow and the Pity”

    * The 1942 film “Casablanca”

    With the next step being reading some of the competing literature about the above items.

  • old nassau’67

    “4. Japan, 3. Russia, 2. South Korea, and 1. Canada.”
    According to the Vancouver Sun: “roughly 250,000 arrivals (immigrants) a year, the vast majority from Asia. (Vancouver Sun)”
    According to the Population Reference Bureau, USA immigration, 2009, 1,130,818.
    I didn’t even bother with 4,3, and 2: Everyone knows that Japan, Russia, and South Korea welcome all immigrants. Not.

  • Fat_Man

    http://www.nationalreview.com/phi-beta-cons/262183/reynoldss-law-and-college-decadence-david-french

    Reynolds’s Law, succinctly stated, is: “Subsidizing the markers of status doesn’t produce the character traits that result in that status; it undermines them.” In other words:

    “The government decides to try to increase the middle class by subsidizing things that middle class people have: If middle-class people go to college and own homes, then surely if more people go to college and own homes, we’ll have more middle-class people. But homeownership and college aren’t causes of middle-class status, they’re markers for possessing the kinds of traits — self-discipline, the ability to defer gratification, etc. — that let you enter, and stay, in the middle class. Subsidizing the markers doesn’t produce the traits; if anything, it undermines them.”

    When you believe, simplistically, that college somehow equals success, then vacuuming more people into college just makes sense. Yet you’re vacuuming in real people, not stimulus-response lab rats. And many of these real people are quite unprepared for traditional workloads, unused to academic discipline, and — worst of all — almost completely uninterested in the pursuit of knowledge. So you dumb down standards to keep them in, ramp up their free time, and voila, you end up with testimonials like a parent told me about her child in a freshman dorm at a certain unnamed SEC school (hint: Roll Tide!): “She sometimes dodges puddles of vomit on her way to the bathroom and about half the nights can’t even stay in her own room because her roommate is entertaining any one of her various hook-ups.”

    It’s hard to think of a better way to undermine values than pack thousands of young people in a small geographic area, place no meaningful study or work demands on their lives, teach them that traditional values imprison them, and then provide oceans of easy credit or taxpayer-provided grants. Laissez les bon temps rouler!

  • teachfordamasses

    It’s probably not the “top-tier”-ness of the college per se that translates into top-tier entry jobs, but the fact that students at these very selective institutions are, by defiintion, themselves the top 1-2% in motivation and achievement (at the time of college admission.)  As has been said elsewhere, top universities certify the excellence of their students; they don’t create it.

    Sure, there are potentially excellent candidates coming from CCs/lesser colleges, but the baserate likelihood of superior prospects in pre-selected cohorts is so much higher that it’s not in companies’ interests to bother looking at them when they have hundreds of applications from the listed schools.

    And seriously, with respect to this article as advice to students, how many students are deciding between an offer from Princeton/Caltech/Yale and attendance at their local junior college?

  • mindnbodybuilding

    “And seriously, with respect to this article as advice to students, how many students are deciding between an offer from Princeton/Caltech/Yale and attendance at their local junior college?”

    um…a lot? http://www.aacc.nche.edu/AboutCC/Pages/fastfacts.aspx

  • mbelvadi

    Some people are brought up to believe that the answer to your 3% question is “yes”. This and tuxthepengin’s argument is yet another example of the mentality documented so well in the book, “The Winner-Take-All Society” which I highly recommend.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-McCrillis/1415266878 Michelle McCrillis

    As an enrollment counselor for a community college, and a financial aid officer, I have seen our graduates transfer to some fairly elite four year schools and graduate from them, and earn advanced degrees from them.  I have also seen my share of those whose parents were so proud of the sons and duaghters who were accepted at top flight schools only to have them on our campus after their third semester having become slackers and being bounced out.  Given the partnerships we have with both public and private four year colleges and universities where our graduates transfer to, the education we provide is a tremendous jumping off point.  One of the things we stress is that our costs for two years are far less than one year at these schools.  I wholeheartedly agree, we need to see that the *glorified high school* mindset of those who knock community colleges needs to be lost.  We are a viable, productive and less expensive option for those who cannot afford Harvard/Yale/Princeton/CalTech or choose to plan their futures with the savings of loan interest carefully and whose simple determination will make their futures their’s rather than drowning in debt.

  • rab60

    I am very sympathetic with students who need to watch their budget since I had to do that as well working part-time jobs through much of my undergraduate years. However, I would caution students to be careful as to which courses at the community college they transfer as prerequisites for their studies at 4-year universities.

    I have taught calculus for a few decades at a relatively large state-supported research university. I’ve seen many students who transferred credit for community college mathematics courses which were prerequisites for one of the courses Calculus I – IV at our university. Sadly, a much larger percentage of those students than usual did not pass the course. The prerequisite courses they took at the community college had the correct titles, but they simply were not prepared for some of the subsequent courses.

  • averah

    Why on earth do we even bother asking candidates for transcripts earlier than the doctoral degree? The real issue to me is that it is vaguely insulting to be asked to have every transcript of every class I ever took, anywhere,  ‘on file’ with my employer at all times. If I have a Ph.D., and that is the requirement for teaching and research jobs, then I should provide proof of my terminal degree, and that is it. Surely we can trust our graduate schools, who review academic transcripts as part of their vetting process, and let the endless paperwork end there. And to be frank, nothing I learned as an undergraduate speaks to my research or teaching in any meaningful way. “I took a class in X” does not qualify one to teach X, or research it, so lets stop the paperwork insanity.

  • mnicho3

    Unfortunately, once hired faculty/staff performs under his/her contract, institutions are required by law to compensate that faculty/staff for work performed. Thus, the only “legal” way to tie submission of official transcripts to a paycheck is to require official transcript(s) be submitted BEFORE faculty/staff performs under his/her respective contract. Institutions cannot require submission of transcripts as a condition for receiving a paycheck “after the fact”. Alternatively, institutions can terminate hired faculty/staff who don’t submit official transcripts after a specified period provided this condition is known to faculty/staff at the time of hire. However, if work was performed the institution would be required to compensate the faculty/staff and then proceed with termination.      

  • missoularedhead

    You’d think 8 years of bar/restaurant experience, including management, all thru grad school would count as the ‘right skill set’!

  • ovpstaff

    NCAA has yet to weigh in, so there is every chance that OSU will see USC-like sanctions. This report is about the results of OSU’s own investigation and self-imposed hand-slapping.

  • jffoster

    Depends on what you think “the mission”  (is there only one?) of higher education is. 

  • robert_wyatt

    I didn’t know tattoo palors made so much money.

  • goxewu

    Right. We tend to forget that part of the mission of big public universities is to provide entertainment spectacles (formerly, on, as I recall Prof. Foster’s paean, “crisp autumn Satuday afternoons,” but now every day and night of the week) to a bunch of beer-sodden potbellied people who can’t spell “bachelor’s degree” but who live in the area of the college stadium and like to dress up in the school’s colors, to millions of people with cable TV who watch sports 24-7, and, last but not least, the bookmakers in Las Vegas and elsewhere. Ooops! I forgot that another part of the mission of these schools is to provide admission to college for underqualified students, burden them with 40+  hours a week spent on their sport, furnish them with multiple concussions (not just those “He jus’ got his bell rung” causes of time outs, but the ordinary occurence in line play) and wreck their knees, and then turn them loose in the world ungraduated or with diplomas in such as “Recreation Administration” and “Leisure Studies.”

  • jffoster

    “beer sodden” only among the lower classes.  But for those with class it’s bourbon burdened, or maybe bourbon imbibben, and in the deep South  rum ridden.  

  • weberatou

    In  light of so many recent atrocious decisions by the NCAA, this is an opportunity to demonstrate it is serious about large-scale transgressions.  However, the NCAA seems to have unlimited abiolity to snatch defe3at from the jaws of victory in situations like this.

  • solidagojuncea

    Federal mining laws will probably allow Mr. Loomis to lease mineral rights under the sculpture and wipe it out in his search for more coal.  

  • dmoser5

    FULL DISCLOSURE (Sort of . . .) — I have a close affiliation with Pronghorn University (I say that tongue-in-cheek because there are more pronghorn antelopes in the area than students, total. Yes, we see them in town on the way to the local Big Box Store).

    First up, I have serious concerns about the leap of faith that is being made to connect the mountain pine bark beetle infestation that is inexorably devastating the surrounding forests here with the coal industry that admittedly does provide much to the economy of the state. Quite simply, either Chris Drury has been misquoted or misinformed (he could have come to my office; we spent the last year helping with a project by one of the University’s Bristol Scholar’s—he did a photo-reportage, with audio interviews, of the people bearing the impact of the pine beetle infestation and nary a lump of coal insight).
    Second, I am deeply saddened to see the rush to judgement on the part of the Wyoming Mining Association in their condemnation of this project. @chronicle-3d4cf264a045538cf252e719e74b68f5:disqus has nailed it quite well in saying that this is an opportunity for debate and education, all the way around (especially if I am right about #1 above!).This campus desperately needs such opportunities for open debate; we have learned nothing from the debacle here last year if we do not take this one. 

    Or perhaps Peter Garrett was right after all and “And nothing’s as precious, as a hole in the ground . . .”

  • thedoctorisin

    The problem I see here is that the sculpture is permanent and therefore the anti-mining statement will endure for generations.  Even if this could be turned into a “learning moment,” the Wyoming Mining Association can make its defense but one time.

  • lexalexander

    I like the idea of constructive debate around the issue and, to the extent that the university community and the taxpayers of Wyoming care what I think, I strongly encourage that debate.

    That said, if Mr. Loomis truly understood academic freedom, he wouldn’t have brought up his association’s financial support of the university in raising his objections, and it is disingenuous for anyone to claim otherwise.

  • thedoctorisin

    I don’t buy your premise regarding academic freedom.  It does not mean you can ride roughshod over opposing viewpoints.  It appears that Chris Drury was made aware of several facts regarding the pine beetle epidemic and chose to ignore them.  Academic freedom requires intellectual honesty.

  • raza_khan

    I am not sure what was the purpose of the article when the “scholarship” is broadly defined…. Are we talking about academic merit based scholarship?  Of course then prom outfit out of duct tape would not qualify!!!  Are we talking about scholarship for certain majors?  atheletic based scholarship?    So,  first, the kinds of scholarships neeed to be defined and then myths taken out of those scholarships… So if I can get a merit based scholarship for coming up with best prom dress out of duct tape,  I am all ears!!!

    Raza

    __________________________

    Dr. Raza Khan

    Dr.Raza.Khan@gmail.com

  • dpn33

    Hey, OldNassau’67, even Princeton University Athletics has its own website, and they are hardly a sports powerhouse. I’m not quite sure why that last sentence is even there. It’s irrelevant.

    This whole article comes off as an extended ad for Mr. Kantrowitz’s website.

  • texasmusic

    I think the purpose of the article was to say there are many kinds of scholarships available (yes, even the kind where someone contributes to your tuition when you submit a winning duct-tape prom dress design).  This is typical of the kinds of articles you see about this time of year, when high school seniors are starting to get serious about college.  It encourages people to get creative and not to assume they’re out of luck before they even begin.

  • texasmusic

    And on that note – I was really hoping for some good news with number 6: that scholarships are not just for high school seniors.  Evidently they’re just for high school seniors and younger, and maybe some college freshmen.  I was really hoping to hear about a “starting-over” scholarship for the non-traditional adult students. 

  • socafish

    “higher profile and lower discount rate” 

    same as students with better scores and more money?

  • darccity

    These are not the important myths about scholarships. The real myth is that outside scholarship money is even an appreciable fraction of all financial assistance! It definitely is not! Parents need to stop pressuring their teens to spend any time searching out and applying for scholarships. It prevents them from achieving the grades and doing the extracurric activities that will earn them the real aid to the places they want to get into.

    The primary source of financial aid is when the college itself offers you a price reduction in its full-price sticker tuition rate. Increasingly, the basis for such aid is student quality or particular needs of the college to balance its incoming class. My daughter was once offered a huge amount to attend Sarah Lawrence — a college noted for low financial aid offers — because they wanted her badly (and it wasn’t because of her class standing). On the other hand, needs based aid is declining rapidly.

    Now the other big myth is that student loans is financial aid. Can you imagine a slimy used car dealer telling you he’ll get you financial aid, and it turns out to be a loan?! Only colleges can get away with such double speak.

  • icclift

    Is there a difference between what is ethical and what is moral?  What one considers to be morally wrong may not equate to what is considered ethically wrong.  From my understanding Ethical guidelines are imposed by an institution as a set of guidelines that have been agreed upon by a group or organization with which you belong, i.e. a professional organization.   Morals being the rules and guidelines that you personally believe based on religious faith or personal value system, many of which are interchangeable and in most circumstances overlap. 
    The authors state, ” they see newborns as potential persons, rather than actual persons, and so their deaths would be “morally irrelevant.””  Since morality is of a more personal nature and therefore based on the school of thought with which you prescribe, the idea of moral relevance is irrelevant.  Unless one considers specifically the morals or ethics of a specific group. 
    Which means that both the pro-lifers and the article authors can make a ‘moral’ case.  Tragically it misses the point, because while both views may be based on reason and logic, the logic may not stem from facts.   Any argument can be reasoned logically, but if the premises with which they are argued are false then the argument is false.  Policy should be based not on these type of arguments, in my opinion of course, but instead be based on evidence based examinations. 
    And I agree, read Jonathan Swift.

  • nybound

    “… a roundabout way of saying that if a mother is too poor or too distressed to raise the baby she’s given birth to, then it’s ethically OK for the baby to be killed.”

    Or, to take things a step further, why don’t we just euthanize all the poor? They suffer, and they inflict suffering on us by committing crimes and sponging off of society. Why should it matter if poor adults are more ‘self-aware’ than infants? At least the infant has unrealized and unknown potential – let it grow and develop and see if it blossoms into something worthwhile, and if it doesn’t kill it when it reaches an appropriate age. Talk about incentives!

    Just to make an academic arguments, of course…

  • ffidura

    It is hard to believe the notion of infanticide was put forward even as an academic exercise in ethics. My God what have we become?

  • 22048164

    The fact that this idea was seriously proposed, then defended (!), is very disturbing to me.  I will echo ffidura…what have we become?  Have we not advanced at all?  They talk about handicapped and sick children as if no child like that has ever in history contributed immensely to our society.  As if it were a mother’s right to take life away.  Our society is sick. 

  • greeneyeshade

    Why is anyone surprised?  We’ve been on this track since Margaret Sanger set up the slippery slope .  Roe v. Wade sped up the process.  We’re coming full circle to the sacrificing of children that was characteristic of ancient cultures.

  • skmarie17

    How would a perfectly healthy newborn harm “society?”
    And who is to determine this?
    This is the most frightening thing I have ever read.
    The very notion is both ethically and morally repugnant, and anyone who disagrees has no soul.  Oh, sorry – I am giving away my lack of education.
     

  • http://nathaniel-campbell.blogspot.com/ Nathaniel M. Campbell

    It’s “academic” arguments like this that have so shot liberal education in the foot.  Most folks
    take one look at this and ask, “Why is public money supporting this ‘research’ when it’s so crazily off the deep end of practical sense and morals?” Their ideas are so obviously nonsensical that it makes people question the very ideal of liberal education. And as a liberal educator, that’s a problem for me. Every time some “researcher” who is so out of touch with reality that he honestly proposes infanticide as a line of the ethical reasoning (and offers no alternative criterion to keep us from killing disabled adults), it gives the good work of academe a bad name.

    Furthermore, if their argument hinges on a definition of “person” that involves self-awareness and self-valuation, then the logical conclusion is that only that entity can decide whether or not to die. How does a parent know that their newborn child is not self-aware and self-valued? Conversely, the logical conclusion is that, if a depressed person feels that there is no more value in continuing to live, they are now morally obligated to kill themselves. Entertaining such hypotheticals as logic exercises is one thing; publishing them as valid ethics in a medical journal quite another. If you are going to advocate an ethical position in such a way, you need to be prepared for it to operate in the real world; and this line of reasoning is very clearly not designed to do so.

  • 22048164

    The scary thing is, the argument is clearly not nonsensical to some.  The Netherlands apparently already condone the killing of ill infants.  How much farther do they have to slip before they reach an acceptance of the deaths of ALL inconvenient infants?

  • boiler

    I’m a secular liberal Democrat, and I’ve read the paper, and I have to say that the critics are right — this argument is profoundly repugnant, and it’s hard to come up with any other term than evil to describe people who would write it. They do in fact argue that people should be allowed to kill healthy infants. They do not impose any objective restrictions on this ability, merely an assessment by the parents that raising the child would be a burden they don’t want to bear. They explicitly maintain that this would be the case even if adoption were available, since the existence of a biological child might pose a psychological strain for the birth mother. What meaning does the term “evil” have, if it doesn’t apply to this? 

    The journal’s defense seems to be that the argument is rationally constructed. That’s a pretty weak response. People have come up with rational arguments in favor of all kinds of things, including slavery, torture, and the extermination of disliked minorities. That doesn’t make these things any less evil, and it doesn’t make their proponents any less reprehensible. 

  • 22067030

    It is hard to tell from an article about an article, but it sounds like The Modest Proposal lives.  Of course, The Modest Proposal was satire…

    GLMcColm

  • eulerian_ta

     Don’t like post-birth abortions?  Don’t have one, and leave others not sharing your religious beliefs alone.  Why do anti-choicers oppose social safety nets while not allowing women to make the choice to end parenthood in the infancy stage?  Are you going to take care of all of the unwanted infants out there?  I guess your rights begin at conception and end at childhood according to anti-choicers.

    [/sarcasm]

  • http://blog.jonolan.net jonolan

    More than one blogger has claimed that Guibilini and Minerva should be exterminated. I was just the most prominent and the only one to provide their pictures and addresses.

  • quacker

    Like the majority of those commenting here, I find the whole idea morally bankrupt and totally repugnant.  I reply here to 22048164 only to caution against the implied premise that the value of a life is determined by its contribution to society.  All life, even the most physically and mentally challenged, is sacred.  It is not our place to judge which lives have value and which lives do not.  We have a Supreme Being who is far more capable of fairly rendering that judgment than any of us humans who tend to make such decisions in our own self-interest.   

  • 22048164

    I agree with you 100%, quacker.  That line was primarily a reaction to appallingly low value placed on the lives of seriously ill or handicapped children that apparently already exists as law in some parts of the world.  Hence, the sentence that follows that statement.  No mother (or father) has the right to take life away.

  • mamazee

    Ideas have consequences.  It’s a principle that i emphasize in our homeschool in all our studies of history.  The history of the world can be mapped on principles, philosophies, ideas…  These men are cowards to promulgate something so hateful (babies not human until… when?  six weeks post birth?) – and unscientific.  And yes, they should be blamed if some stupid government takes them up on their ridiculous idea (for reference, see the Ontario Canada superintendant of schools saying that he “coparents” all the children in his school district or the New Zealand legislation that makes it permissible for a doctor to sterilize a mentally handicapped child without notifying or getting the permission of his or her parents…)

  • http://blog.jonolan.net jonolan

     Small correction – It’s one man and one woman(!) who put forth this ‘article” endorsing infanticide.

  • gregschuler

    How on earth can these people call themselves ethicists?  Where are we going?   From unlimited abortion in the womb to newborn infanticide?   What’s next:  Is it really OK to kill 6 year olds if they become “unduly burdensome.”

  • wstumper

    Bartlett’s attempt to portray the authors as somehow surprised at the reaction to their article is disingenuous at best, or just plain naive.  So, somehow that fact that others have “written” about this years earlier is a defense?  (Why didn’t Bartlett point out that Giubilini teaches at the ethics school co-founded by Peter Singer?)  And the authors are washing their hands of how this was “promulgated across the internet”?  (Ok, then explain why Journal of Medical Ethics removed pay wall acce$$ to the article within days, or possible hours, after the firestorm erupted.)  Also no mention of an earlier Italian conference in which Giubilini argued there is no moral reason to oppose euthanasia?

  • tdr75

     Way to raise the level of the debate.  While the ideas presented in the paper are inhumane and repugnant, your response is on the same level.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000758677935 Emilio Lizardo

    The original article has been removed from the journal. Anyone know where a copy can be found?

  • http://blog.jonolan.net jonolan

    What is there to debate and what point is there in “raising the level” of such a foolish debate? Words don’t solve for creatures like Guibilini and Minerva, with the possible exception of credibly threats to their wellbeing.

  • lairdwilcox

    This is an interesting discussion.  At which point does an abortion become infanticide?  Various abortion advocates give different stages of fetal development as an indicator with radicals claiming that any point up to birth should be the option of the fetus carrier (aka mother). 

    What is being suggested here is that there’s nothing magical about birth, especially if it represents some inconvenience to the woman.  Why not six weeks, or even six months after birth?  By letting the fetus carrier decide, taking her own feelings and cimcumstances into consideration, we may be able to wring a little more ”equality” out of a fading equal rights issue.   

    Having that noisy kid might mess up your social life, or it might have some kind of medical problem, or your new lover might be narcissistic, too, and want all the attention.  All those years in college preparing for a career, all that student debt, keeping someone else out so you could have a place, and now you have a responsibility that’s going to take up time that could be spent on thigh reduction programs, lute lessons, social causes, harrassing people for using the wrong light bulbs, and whatever else it takes to be a practically perfect and politically correct person.  All kids do is suck up oxygen and need things.

    Abortion is an open-ended issue, like it or not.  If it happens at all and it remains the prerogative of the woman and the “sperm donor” doesn’t count, why does it matter when it happens?   I’ve known “career women” who would have liked to off their teenagers if they could.  “That little freak reaminds me of his father!…whoever he is!,” she says, as she dials for the sleep van, a euphemism for the abortion truck complete with cremation facilities and all..  “Perhaps they’ll be happier this way, too!”  “I know I will, too, at least for a couple of days.” The teenagers are sobbing are are about to get charged with an anti-pro-choice hate crime if they don’t quiet down.
      
    A post-fetal abortion is the answer.  “It just wasn’t right for me after all,” she explains, and what is feminism is it isn’t all about me, me, me?  Feminism uber alles!, she mutters dewey eyed and her friends give her hugs of supports while the pro-family fascists gather together nearby in silent prayer. The police are watching them from the street and drones flying overhead in case they do somethig violent or attempt to harass women except, of course, those who are getting aborted.