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Bad People Using Good Science Has Not Worried Asia—Until Now

January 5, 2012, 8:20 pm

Bird-flu virus particles / Courtesy CDC

Major parts of the scientific establishment in the United States and Europe have been debating whether two papers on bioengineered bird flu should be published or censored—out of fear that the altered virus could be used by terrorists. Meanwhile, scientists in Asia, where most bird-flu deaths have occurred, say that kind of dilemma is barely on their radar.

That’s because the notion of holding back good science that could be put to criminal purpose, something known as “dual use of concern,” is not part of the scientific culture in places like China, which reported that a man died from bird flu this past weekend, the 26th human fatality in that country out of 41 confirmed infections.

“In my country, dual use isn’t widely recognized as an issue, ” said Zhi-ming Yuan, a professor and deputy director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, at a meeting at the National Institutes of Health in early December to discuss those problems. And that could pose problems in a region where biotechnology is developing at a breakneck pace, he added. “This technology is moving ahead very quickly. In the past few months, a Dutch scientist made changes to H5N1 [the bird-flu virus], making it easily transmissible through the air. Similar research on the flu is going on in my labs.”

The Dutch researchers, and another team from the University of Wisconsin at Madison, wanted to publish papers showing how the H5N1 virus could change from largely infecting poultry to a form that infects mammals, a worrisome prospect for a disease that already has a kill rate of 60 percent in the human beings who catch it from birds. (It has killed about 330 people worldwide since 2003.) In late December, the scientists, the NIH, and the two journals that wanted to publish the work—Science and Nature—took the unprecedented step of agreeing to publish the papers without details of the genetic changes, so terrorists could not use them to create a more dangerous virus.

They did this to follow recommendations made by the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity, a federal panel of scientists that convened the December meeting where Mr. Yuan spoke about the low level of security awareness. Other international researchers there echoed him. “Biosecurity is new in my country,” said Herawati Sudoyo, deputy director of the Eijkman Institute for Molecular Biology, in Jakarta, Indonesia.

And there are not a lot of people with expertise in it, added H.V. Murugkar, a senior scientist and biosafety officer at the Indian Veterinary Research Institute, in Bhopal. “We have limited personnel available for biosecurity,” he said, noting that while scientists are aware of safety issues, like containing a dangerous pathogen within a lab, security is quite different.

Many at the meeting emphasized that point, saying that security is about determining whether information can be used for ill intent, which often involves tapping the expertise of the defense and intelligence communities. But in countries like Japan, that doesn’t happen, said Masayuki Saijo, director of the department of virology at the National Institute of Infectious Diseases, in Tokyo.

“There is no special mechanism for dual use,” he said. “Only recently have we started to discuss it at the government level.”

Yet the growth of scientific capacity and sophistication in those countries means they are producing more of that type of research, said Za Hussain Reed, assistant director for clinical research at Singapore’s Regional Emerging Diseases Intervention Center. “We attract a lot of people to Singapore because we can do this kind of work,” she said. At the same time, she said, a fair amount of government oversight and review is part of Singapore’s culture.

In contrast, Ms. Sudoyo, from Indonesia, said such arrangements would be unlikely in her country. “Frankly, the majority of scientists would not accept it” because they would be suspicious of government interference, she said.

Indeed, most scientists at the meeting worried that official regulation of their work, driven by concern about its falling into the wrong hands, would slow it down and prevent drugs and techniques to combat disease from falling into the right hands.

But there was a general sentiment that the level of self-policing had to be higher, and the willingness to reach out to security forces had to be greater. Scientists working with those kinds of microbes are creating “information that can do terrible things to the planet,” said Chan-Wha Kim, a professor in Korea University’s College of Life Sciences and Biotechnology, and president of the Asia-Pacific Biosafety Association. When it comes to the risks of this double-edged science, “researchers think ‘It’s not about me, it’s about someone else.’ Sooner or later, it will be about you.”

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  • jdamerell

    Julie, we’re lucky you decided to give MCC a try. I like what you say here about students, particularly the point about unfulfilled potential and your summary of reasons students may not stay with us.

  • koufax33

    Having been involved w/ both major student affairs professional associations, I’ve seen quite a bit of involvement from CC personnel and sessions related to CCs, particularly at the national conferences, however this is a recent occurrence.
    Most Higher Ed/Student Affairs prep programs spend little time on community colleges, which is a shame. I’ve seen some CC’s make really good efforts to present themselves as desirable workplaces and in many instances, they are the ones hiring right now. You are right about the perceived stigma about working at a CC – that might make for a good column!

  • juliewhite

    Thank you!

  • juliewhite

    I agree that the visibility of community colleges is on the rise, thankfully. However, if you look at the research literature, there is a “higher ed” literature and a (mostly) separate “community college” literature, which is reflective of the relative lack of inclusion of community college issues in many of our graduate programs, as you reference.

    Thank you for the column suggestion! It’s going into my “ideas” folder!

  • missoularedhead

    I grew up thinking that CC’s were for the ‘loser’ students…the slackers in high school who couldn’t get into a ‘real’ school (the CC’s in Montana are called Vo-Techs, and they are definitely vocational). 5 years ago, needing the money, I started adjuncting at the local CC (in California, you trip over them!). Talk about an eyeopener! Not only did I have bright, engaged students, I found their perspectives profoundly refreshing, and the challenge of teaching students who might not be prepared was so very different from my students at the UC. I knew that I wanted to teach, and suddenly, here I was. And like you, Julie, it changed my life. I can’t imagine not being at a CC now.

    Now, if I could just get off the adjunct track!

  • dmazmani

    Well said. There is so much opportunity at community colleges that have gone untapped. Thank you for sharing your experience.

  • http://twitter.com/sdecamillis Susan DeCamillis

    Hi Julie…I’m a first year doctoral student in a Community College Leadership program. Your commitment to the community college mission is encouraging — and exciting for those of us who have worked in this environment and know what good work we are doing for and within our communities. One question: As I look for a dissertation topic, is there one particular area (or I would take a couple of suggestions!!) where additional research is needed — on a national level? I’m leaning in the direction of researching transferability issues — creating a framework for community colleges to ‘standardize’ the general education courses (English, Math, Humanities, etc), with the intent of state universities accepting these courses (we do not have a state-wide educational system) eliminating course duplication, saving taxpayer dollars, etc. Any thought or other directions?

  • juliewhite

    Hi, Susan. Congratulations on beginning your doctoral studies! The issue of transferability is a huge one, and there are a variety of ways to approach it, such as policy analysis, student experience, decision-making analysis, and more. As a near-the-end doctoral student working on my proposal, my biggest piece of advice is to make sure, first and foremost, that your topic is something that you are passionate about. You’re going to be living with it for a very long time!

    Another area where there is a dearth of research is community college student affairs/student development.

    If you can, I’d recommend going to a research conference to see what others are doing and to get your wheels turning. Council for the Study of Community Colleges will be holding a conference in New Orleans in April, as one suggestion.

  • lkaplan

    Thank you for this article. I have always been a strong advocate of community colleges. For I am a product of one myself. That is where my love of student affairs stems from. I graduated from a four year instiution with my masters in higher education last May and now I am searching for the next opportunity in this job market. I would also like to pursue a doctorate in higher education one day. I am glad you took the opportunity to explore community colleges. For they are a hidden treasure a lot of people don’t know anything about.

  • http://twitter.com/IsaacSweeney IsaacSweeney

    Your post gives me hope. Pro-rata seems fair.

    I agree that negotiation is key, but you run the risk of being seen as a bothersome employee. And since there’s little security in your adjunct job, you could easily lose it. I guess getting everyone organized is helpful, but man, that’s a lot of extra work for people who are underpaid and overworked.

    And there’s story after story of adjuncts who speak out and get “not rehired.”

  • vatican

    Once I was asked “Are you married?” Gasps around the room and then she realized she shouldn’t have asked that question. My answer? “I don’t mind answering that question – I am single and it makes it easier for me to relocate!” Before that for another interview, the chair was more sophisticated and asked “Do you have to check with someone before you give us an answer?” I looked puzzled and asked why. He elaborated “Well some people need to check with their parents, spouse, significant other and so on.” I said “Nope. I’m single so it’s very easy for me to relocate.”

  • sandler

    One person told me that when she was asked about plans for a family, she bowed her head and sadly said that she was unable to have children. When she became pregnant later she extolled the virtues of modern medicine.

    Others have handled questions about family issues in a playful manner, which makes a big difference in terms of not sounding argumentative and jeopardizing the job interview. “Oh, is this a test to see how I would respond to a question that might be illegal?” and then to answer the question in terms of how they are dedicated to their work, make sacrifices, etc. as suggested in the article.

    A third way is to act puzzled and say something like, “I’m sorry, I’m not clear how this is related to the job? Could you explain this to me?” And then when it is explained, to give the same kind of response as suggested in the article.

    This kind of question is illegal when it is only asked of women {or just men), or, if asked of both genders, the answers are evaluated differently for men and women.

  • tuxthepenguin

    Yes, but…

    Given the other discussion about this, I placed an inquiry at my school. While they might not strictly speaking be illegal, you would be hard pressed to explain how a question related to the duties of the job, asked during an interview, is not part of the hiring decision. What would you think of someone asking about your race in an interview? Why would you ask the question in a formal interview setting if it were not a factor in your decision?

    Look at the question that was presented above: “With juggling the demands of your writing and your very busy family life, how do you intend to do this job?” How could the family possibly not be a consideration in the hiring decision?

    Edit: I commented on this post to make sure that others don’t read it and just assume it’s okay to ask any question that pops into their minds. This is most definitely a gender issue.

  • drangie

    There seems to be some disagreement as to what is and is not an “illegal” question. The HR office at my institution has given a different ruling than what I read here. Could the editors at the CHE offer some helpful information here by referring this to a legal expert who can give us a definitive answer? This whole article and comment thread would be more useful with some clarification of the legal issues.

    For the record I don’t ask any of these questions when I’m interviewing candidates–I just would like to have the legal facts at hand, since that’s at issue here.

  • tuxthepenguin

    Just to make it clear, this is from the EEOC website. It is not an official opinion of the commission, but it nonetheless is relevant, coming from an assistant legal counsel.

    http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/foia/letters/2007/pregnancy_discrimination.html

    “Although asking applicants about pregnancy or their marital or parental status does not violate Title VII, a fact finder is likely to presume that the answers to such questions formed the basis for a selection decision. As a result, if the selection decision is challenged, the fact that the employer made such inquiries will be evidence that the employer unlawfully used sex or pregnancy as a factor in the selection decision.”

    Thus one is being careless when trying to find the exact line where a question becomes ‘illegal’.

  • goingbatty

    I was recently asked if I had kids (this was during a dinner with two other female faculty members, one a new assistant prof, the other recently made associate prof, both of whom I liked very much). The assistant quickly started to chide the older for asking but I said I didn’t mind answering. Then I explained that we have a girl, Destiny — a 16-pound brown tabby. She thought it was hilarious.

  • laker

    Thanks for your endorsement of the community college. I have been told by many of our alums that the best instruction they received was here. Many faculty at four-year schools have other pressures that their commitment to teaching sometimes suffers. The focus on student success at the community college is, for me, the great differentiater.

  • cowdogz4

    Would that all community college humanities adjunct instructors had full-time gigs elsewhere, or didn’t really need to work full-time, so they could devote full-time effort to their part-time classes. The reality is that part-time humanities faculty is pushing 70% in many community colleges, and the colleges are using adjunct positions primarily to cut expenses and vet potential instructors for the few full-time positions that come available, not to improve the expertise and effectiveness of instruction. “Standardizing” the general education courses (a topic Susan wishes to explore) is already underway, since it makes it easier for the college to exchange the moveable parts (adjunct instructors) for a one-size-fits-all delivery system of the product, whether that is what the individual students need or not. This trend is especially pernicious in the lower-level composition courses. Check out Jeffrey Klausman, “Not Just a Matter of Fairness” TETYC May 2010 and Curtis V. Smith (unpublish diss.) The Impact of Part-Time Faculty on Student Retention, U. of Missouri, 2010.

    That said, yes, the older students at community college are a delight, and the younger students a challenge but wonderfully bright. Now if only the administration and boards of directors could get off the marketplace ideology for education, and back to educative ideology for education, to treat students and faculty both like humans rather than FTEs or “products.”

  • jomiller

    I am very glad that there is a blog presence on The Chronicle for community colleges. I am not so fond of the title, The Two-Year Track. There are many four-year colleges who also offer associate degrees and have “two-year tracks.” The use of the word “track” instead of “degree” may indicate, again, that those in charge feel the predominate two-year college degree (e.g., the associate degree, in some form or fashion–AA, AS, AAS, etc.) lacks validity. However, having another place to communicate about the strengths and challenges of community college life is still a great idea.

    Maxcg asks about the job prospects for faculty with master’s degrees as opposed to PhDs at community colleges. I am a Dean, in the health sciences, and I have a M.Ed., plus everything except the dissertation for the PhD. After 21 years as dean, nobody is “making” me finish the PhD, but I would be lying if I said it doesn’t make a difference. PhDs are still preferred, especially in academic leadership positions and in all faculty positions, such as the liberal arts, where there is an abundance of PhD candidates available. In health sciences, we are thrilled to find candidates with both significant work experience and master’s degrees. I do not have any PhD faculty.

    I am not sure the PhD is always a bonus in the day-to-day teaching of community college students–sometimes the strong academic background and years of college completed by the faculty member is a silent barrier to someone struggling with entry-level course work. A good teacher, regardless of degree, overcomes such barriers and turns them into positives. A faculty member with a PhD, who is not a good teacher (or scholar, or community servant), is an asset only in the back of the catalog where faculty and pedigrees are listed! Unfortunately, community colleges rarely support pure scholarship, and teaching 4-5 courses each semester leaves little “side” time for those pursuits. Some faculty with PhDs become frustrated when they want to continue their research and writing, and find so little support other than pats-on-the-back.

  • juliewhite

    Your study sounds interesting. Good luck with your defense!

  • juliewhite

    Thanks, MJ! That example from your PhD program is appalling. I am so glad you persevered in studying the experiences of community college students!

  • meman

    If I could take a different spin on this article–I wondered how as an adjunct instructor the author can draw conclusions comparing it to teaching at a four-year institution? If she isn’t teaching full time at a CC, then how can she know the burden of the incredible workload of teaching full time? Many of those who commented are also adjuncts or came to CC teaching from a CC or vo/tech background. I’m wondering what it’s like to go from a being a full-time faculty member at a four-year liberal arts college to teaching full-time at a CC.

    I’m in that situation now–considering an opportunity from a CC after many years teaching at private and public four-year institutions. The CC job opening is one where I would come in and start a program mostly from scratch–and that type of thing excites someone treading water at a liberal arts school that does the same old thing over and over. I know why they really want me–because I’ve built a successful program–but it does feel like a step backward to go to a CC.

    In my preliminary dealings with the CC staff and faculty they are super secretive, won’t answer questions out of fear of saying something illegal, are completely impersonal and sound robotic in any conversation. The search committee is made up of people who have nothing to do with my field of study, even though there are a couple staff members on campus who teach adjunct courses in that department. Why is a non-teaching admissions employee on the committee but not the people who teach classes in the area? There is no set budget for the new program–with them saying they are “waiting for the right person to be hired” before they ask the state to fund it! The pay range is much lower than my current job (they say they can’t quote a specific salary since that’s negotiated after I accept the offer!?! Are they serious?). The course load is heavier. The classes are about twice as large. The controversy over collective bargaining is threatening to make the faculty’s benefits decrease. And they don’t pay travel expenses for the out-of-state job interview!

    I’m interested purely because I’d love to start a program from scratch–but are there any positives of working at a CC?

    I can’t seem to find any yet, and I’ve spent years guest lecturing each semester to a CC class as well as teaching students that transfer from CCs. My many experiences have been mostly negative. Whether young or non-traditional, they are often the laziest, least motivated students in the four-year classroom. They expect everything to be done for them, don’t seem to care about deadlines and haven’t developed critical thinking skills. They like technology and projects that are fun, but even then are unable to put together something that comes close to students who started at a four-year school. The CC students have very low expectations of themselves but very high expectations of others doing things for them. Yes, there will be the one or two outstanding over-achievers who went to CC due to finances and then brought their gifts to the four-year level, but for the most part the CC students seem ill-prepared for higher education or even the real world.

    I’m not trying to insult anyone who works in the CC system–it seems like a very difficult job and I admire those who take up the challenge. But this job search process has reinforced the stereotyped CC image. Is there anything I’m missing? Why should I give CC teaching a try? I understand with my current attitude that I probably shouldn’t be working there but I also feel I may just be the thing that place needs. I am very willing to listen to those that can give solid examples of full-time CC experiences, especially if you used to work full time at a four-year institution. Thanks for your help.

  • juliewhite

    Meman,
    I do work full-time at a community college. My full-time job is in student services, as an administrator managing our counseling and advising services and programs. In addition, I am an adjunct instructor of sociology. My work prior to the community college included positions at four-year public and private institutions, again, in student services, not as a teaching faculty.

    However, I do not have the experience, of moving from a full-time faculty position at a four-year liberal arts college to teaching full time at a community college, about which you are seeking insight. You may want to check out posts by the other 2-Year Track Bloggers (Rob Jenkins, Isaac Sweeney, and Eliana Osborn) for insights.

    I will just say that my experiences with community college students, both in and out of the classroom, is not consistent with what you report, so, like they say when you buy a new car, “your mileage may vary.”

    Best of luck to you in your career path.

  • cmcclain

    Poor headline.

  • erichoover

    Helpful comment.

  • burger1376

    For all the criticism US universities get, and most of this criticism comes from Americans who haven’t experienced higher education in other nations, US universities still are superior to anything in Asia. I studied at Nanjing University in China and have tutored students from Peking University, Renmin University, and even Qinghua University. When American students study most of their hours in schoo, partying the rest of course, Chinese students spend most of their time playing video games. Even when I went to Nanjing University, most of the classes were empty, because students are not required to go to class. Most of the time they copy papers from the internet, and the professor doesn’t care. I have friends from Japan and Korea who say their universities are similar to that of China. I can’t claim to know much about european universities, but so far, Asian universities have not impressed me. I know a computer science student from Chongqing who couldn’t reformat a computer. Americans can criticise themselves, but they also need perspective. We have room to grow, but Asia, at least, is not catching up with us.