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My Daily Read: Rachel Shteir

August 3, 2011, 4:30 pm

Rachel Shteir is an associate professor at the Theatre School at DePaul University. She is the author, most recently, of The Steal: A Cultural History of Shoplifting (Penguin Press).

Q: What do you read first thing in the morning?

A: New York Times online. I read the paper pretty thoroughly, of course the book reviews, but also all of (or most of) the news. I particularly like the Sunday style section and the Metro section. I like that feature on Sunday where the person describes their day and, of course, the wedding section. I do read “Modern Love.”

Actually, even before I read the NYT, I read e-mail, though reading isn’t really what I do to e-mail—mostly I delete it because mostly it’s junk e-mail—department store ads and Groupon coupons and other entreaties. If I have any Facebook messages, I read those. OK, I look at those.

Q: What newspapers and magazines do you subscribe to or read regularly? What do you read in print vs. online vs. mobile?

A: I read a lot of newspapers and magazines online every day. After the Times, e-mail, and Facebook, I proceed to The New Republic, the Wall Street Journal, Tablet, Slate, The Daily Beast, and New York Magazine. Not in that order. I particularly love David Thomson in TNR. I love reading him and I wish he wrote more. He is like a delicious cookie especially when he writes about noir, but he is also very good on actors—any actors, and it is not that easy to write about actors. I only read Harper’s and The New Yorker in print form and of course that is not a daily exercise. I also read The New York Review of Books, but not daily.

But the first list I mentioned, I look at those five days a week, definitely. It’s probably a form of procrastinating but I guess I also feel I have to be conversant with what’s going on. Or that’s what I tell myself, anyway.

Q: What books have you recently read?  Do they stand out?

A: I just read a beautiful novel, Ten Thousand Saints. It’s a first novel by a young woman named Eleanor Henderson. It was moving and gorgeous, extremely fluidly written. It’s the story of a family or really several splintered families, kids and parents, lovers, exes, and how they all survive. It takes place in the 1980s and 1990s. The landscape is not unlike Just Kids, Patti Smith’s memoir.

I also recently finished Megan Abbott’s new book, The End of Everything, a tightly-paced psychological thriller. I have enormous admiration for those who write genre fiction because the plotting has to be really precise. And one thing I liked about this thriller is that there were so many women in it. I sometimes find it hard to get into a thriller if the detective is the typical reclusive middle-aged guy with girlfriend problems.

Q: Has your reading of professional journals changed in the past 10 years? How so?

If by professional journals you mean journals in the field I was trained in—dramaturgy and dramatic criticism—no. But that’s not a change. I was never really that interested in reading academic journals because I always wanted to write for a wider audience. I do turn to journals if I’m researching some specific topic—say Dario Fo and shoplifting in 1968—and then they can be very valuable, at least for their notes and bibliographies. But I find that for the most part the articles are overly argued or too theoretical. Not enough attention is paid to the enjoyment of reading and writing.

Q: Do you read blogs? If so, what blogs do you like best?

A: I do read shelter blogs such as Houzz. Other than that, I go through phases with blogs. For a while I was reading a blog called Arabic Literature in English which is published out of Cairo. It’s extremely knowledgeable about Arabic lit and is also a content aggregator for all things literary in the Middle East. I do like Megan Abbott and Sara Gran’s blog, The Abbott Gran Medicine Show, which I’ve also written for. They manage—maybe because there are two of them—to keep the tone fresh and interesting. Or maybe they’re just extremely witty because their blog can be witty. I do read The New Republic blogs. I read blogs to get info or opinions that I can’t get elsewhere.

Q: Do you use Twitter? If so, whom do you follow?

A: Yes. I use Twitter and I follow a variety of media and book people. For example, I follow the New York Times media critic David Carr. I follow Dwight Garner, the Times book critic. I follow some of my friends. I don’t think that Twitter is literary by any stretch of the imagination—sorry to those who are True Believers. But I think it’s important to know what’s going on and to see how people are using the device. Stuff actually happens on Twitter, whatever anyone thinks about it and if you’re going to be a modern person, you have to at least know what it is. I’m not saying you have to spend hours and hours tweeting your every move.

Q: What are the guilty pleasures in your media diet?

A: When I have free time, I often like to turn off my brain entirely. That does not always involve reading.  It sometimes involves television, if we’re going to talk about media. I didn’t grow up watching TV and I didn’t have TV for many years, so I feel like it’s OK. It involves shows like Entourage that I absolutely cannot approve of on an intellectual level and yet I find myself watching episode after episode, the TV equivalent of cotton candy. There is just something about all those beautiful people in Los Angeles that makes the show gripping. I also do watch a lot of procedurals, and The Good Wife. And I have an obsession with the Real Housewives series, particularly the New York one. But I’ve watched a lot of the other ones, including the one set in Atlanta. And the one in Orange County.

I do also spend probably too much time looking at photographs of clothing online, although I rarely buy it online because of course you have to see it in person. Gilt.com is definitely a guilty pleasure. Look Books. I always study Bill Cunningham’s fashion feature in the Sunday NYT very carefully, albeit with the sound off.

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  • schotteh

    What is the difference between critical thinking and radical thoughts?

  • quidditas

    “Not only do business, the professions, and government need college grads, but young Americans increasingly need a college degree to get a job at a middle-class level of income and benefits like health insurance and pensions.”

    Your first mistake is to assume that the large transnational corporations that drive public policy debates and trade policy and legislation at the national level are at all interested in hiring Americans “at a middle-class level of income and benefits like health insurance and pensions.” Who says they want to do that?

    People like Vedder, who have become the spokespersons of the national policy agenda driven by transnational corporations, are operating from the assumption that the US is going to continue to undergo a structural economic adjustment due to globalization that started with deindustrialization 30 years ago.

    Educators largely ignored deindustrialization because it was precisely deindustrialization that was fueling the education sector. Indeed, fixing the “white working class” as the primary demographic site of racism and sexism (not coincidentally, we find Vedder griping about the University’s social agendas) has been a serious vocational interest for no few academics and (I emphasize) *well heeled* ivy league educated political commentators in the popular press during the entire course of deindustrialization, which just lends the working class to a too-easy scapegoating. Why would the educated be concerned with the lives of such obnoxious people? And, their kids need re-educating anyway.

    But now the shoe has moved on to the other foot. Since there will be little corporate employment, neither the former white collar office workers who made the education sector positively BOOM over the 30 year course of deindustrialization nor local governments with declining tax receipts due to declining incomes and vacating corporations, will be well served by assuming education debt.

    These are the key points underlying this entire drive to dismantle the perceived higher education bloat. If you can’t take account of these points, then you can’t respond to people like Vedder because you’re not addressing their fundamental macro-economic assumptions.

    This is the elephant in the room. Everyone knows it’s in the room. Ignoring it and talking about everything else under the sun, even to the point of invoking that old hoary chestnut about “educating a critical citizenry” in the age of the death of civics–can you even remember civics?–is not going to move this debate forward.

    Start addressing the real bone of contention, based upon how political power is actually operating in the US at the present time, or resign yourself to your fate–which at least some part of the US domestic population will no doubt think is well deserved as you join their swelling ranks.

  • frankiesull

    Thanks for this superb column…

  • chronreader1

    I have decided to spend some time addressing this article. If you don’t want to waste your time reviewing my critique, just know that I find this article underwhelming and a rehash of tired arguments that completely miss the nuance of the current debate.

    Has the cost of higher education come to outweigh the financial rewards for college over high school graduates? Do too many Americans go to college who are unqualified, unmotivated, and thus likely to drop out before graduation, and should more settle for vocational education?

    *These are actually the relevant economic questions given the level of individual and federal investment, and a proper formulation of the issues.

    “Such questions show a typical American tendency to restrict discussion of large social issues to the level of personal attitudes and options within the social status quo, rather than directing attention to the needs of society at large and what changes in its status quo may be necessary to meet those needs.”

    *What you wrote above has no inherent meaning. Large social issues are a function of the individuals they impact. Also, enough with your fashionable reference to “typical American tendency.”

    *Please do not cite political preferences as a means to curry favor with more Chronicle readers. Let your tired suggestion that “America needs more college graduates and so needs to enact policies to improve academic preparation in K-12 education and make college affordable…” stand or fall on its own merits.

    *We do need more scientists and engineers. That does not justify enhanced federal investment to increase the number of college graduates or make college more affordable. If you think it does, talk to the vast numbers of employed/underemployed college graduates who pursued studies in fields where low/no need exists.

    “Moreover, overwhelming evidence shows that taxes spent in support of public higher education are one of the most profitable investments a society can make. This was recognized in America for a century before the 1970s…”

    *True, to an extent. It’s not as if we live in a world anymore where all college graduates are destined to be value-added members of society.

    “Tax-funded universities provide further profits to the private sector…”

    *Dollars could be invested in many entities which could provide further profits to the private sector. It is not as if universities are the only entities capable of buying things from the private sector.

    “As individuals, most college graduates earn more, pay more taxes, and are healthier, better-informed citizens.”

    *Fair point but your foundation for it is diminishing. The “earnings gap” between college and non-college grads is rising, plumbers earn more than many lib arts and other graduates, and much of the country is obese.

    “Skyrocketing tuition”

    *Sure, you can suggest that taxpayers commit even more resources in order to sustain current university infrastructure. That would reduce the crushing increases confronting students. You might also, just for a moment, consider the expense side..

    “Higher costs and more exclusive admission standards amount to exclusion of those of lower financial and social status, including the poor, minorities, and working women with children.”

    *Please study the success rate of less affluent students in a university setting.

    “Finally, it would be most interesting to see Vedder’s “econometric estimation” of the national growth induced in the past decade by President Bush’s tax reductions and their consequences for the quality of American education, or of the cost effectiveness of public universities in that decade compared to corporate beneficiaries of tax cuts and deregulation, from Enron and Tyco to Goldman Sachs, AIG, General Motors, British Petroleum, and Bernard Madoff.”

    *A final, sad red-herring to gain the support of the emotional readers instead of summarizing the key tenets of your argument.

  • chronreader1

    Why did you think this article was superb?

  • electronicmuse

    The economic value of the G.I. Bill following World War II is either the most egregious example of “post hoc ergo propter hoc,” or evidence that such “government intervention” facilitates the economic value of education to our society. Same for programs such as FHA.

    Speaking of “post hoc ergo propter hoc,” G.W. Bush lowered taxes, particularly for the wealthy. Let’s see, where did that lead? There is presently a group of millionaires who explicitly state that the wealthy should pay more taxes, and that decreasing taxes for the wealthy only makes them more wealthy-not more “productive.” That humility and honesty counters only part of the elaborate lullaby being sung nowadays, and many people are falling asleep. The “lack of funds” for education is totally contrived-raise taxes, stupid! When even Ben Stein is saying this on TV, we know we’re at the end of the bankrupt conservative mantra that fearfully warns us we should allow ourselves to continue to be “trickled” on. How has what G.H.W. Bush called “voodoo economics” worked out so far?

    Parenthetically, I object to the notion of saying that someone should “settle” for vocational education. Plumbers make more money than some others because it’s a tough job, and its hard to find replacements for those who do it. Moreover, plumbing requires training and skill. The “Intellectual Life” is not the only life that has value-to the individual, or to our society.

    A better-educated citizenry is obviously beneficial to the common weal, if not to the “next quarter” interests of Corporate America. This should necessitate government support for education of all stripes.

  • quidditas

    Well, it is a superb example of contemporary liberal topoi (which you seem to have called “a rehash of tired arguments” and which I would call platitudinous) but it is positively senile in its grasp of the rhetorical situation.

    Particularly coming from the author of “Reading and Writing for Civic Literacy: The Critical Citizen’s Guide to Argumentative Rhetoric,” I agree that this apparently entirely academic exercise is not up to the job at hand.

    I don’t, for example, think that it is mere coincidence that this obnoxious Mackinac Center is located at ground zero in economically devastated Michigan (that’s short for “outsourced auto industry”). Or that Wisconsin, with its manufactured budget crisis, just happens to be located right next door (that’s short for “keep regional business from migrating next door with tax breaks”).

    I will buy that higher education is worth rescuing from the dogs when I see higher educators attempting to really think things through, even if it means engaging in some self reflection along the way–maybe especially if it means engaging in some self reflection along the way.

    What we need are ideas, not platitudes and self justifications. That 30-year marketing campaign has found the dumpster.

  • atana09

    “So it makes no economic or moral sense at all that the financial burden of university education (and, indirectly, faculty research) has steadily shifted since the 1960s from tax revenue to individual students faced with skyrocketing tuition and the replacement of financial aid like scholarships with high-interest loans that can take a lifetime to repay”

    It seems that M. Lazere has located the elephant in the room, along with its entourage of hobgoblins who are maniacally waving the student loan promissary notes. The blood signed onto these may not require the student to sell their souls but does come so close as to be indistinguishable. That condition alone is more than enough to undermine the idealism which is the foundation of much of Lazere’s own concepts about academe’s place in society.
    Students may need a college degree to obtain the work, but at all levels these no longer can be belanced out insofar as the cost and tolls to get that job. In vo-tech this is also an issue because the debts outweigh potential income by a considerable margin and have done so even longer than for the professional class. And that’s compounded by the growth of expensive and often questionable for profit vo-techs.
    The problem is that, should further government cutbacks slash into academe or the reliance on debt for education is allowed to further propagate-the essential idealism in academe which Lazere expounds will be eventually percieved as another social manipulation. For example locate a recently graduated MFA/PhD in humanities (they can often be located near the coffee machine or at the frying station)…and ask them what they genuinely feel about education. What you will often hear is avoidance of an answer or incredible resentment. That crises of belief is one of the most damaging aspects of the compromising of academe and the massive generational redirection of public support for its efforts. And it is quite dangerous socially because when even the stargazers lose faith it does not bode well for belief in our overall body politic.
    That alone should be enough reason to restore some of the economic and social support for academe. Systemically if we allow academe to decay into yet another social ‘rent to own’ it is virtually insured that our next generation is going to opt out, and that could be destructive in a plethora of forms.

  • quidditas

    “That alone should be enough reason to restore some of the economic and social support for academe.”

    More platitudinous assertions.

    You still need to answer the question why the public should support expending funds and human effort supporting the education sector only to have its graduates end up at the coffee machine or the fry station–except with smaller loans this time.

    Why wouldn’t the public support expending funds and human effort so that graduates can have a productive existence beyond graduation, rather than *merely* using graduates in a strictly utilitarian fashion as an excuse to float an academic class?

    Which is what you’re still doing–only nobody cares but you.

  • unusedusername

    Well put. Also,

    ““soon face an acute shortage of scientists and engineers, which could undermine the country’s global lead in trade and jeopardize its ability to compete.”

    I remember hearing this 15 years ago. It was a false warning then, and a false warning now. The job market for physical scientists is tight, and wages are not particularly high, especially compared to medicine and law. Also, getting marginal students to go to college is not going to produce more scientists and engineers. Almost everyone with IQs in the scientists/engineer range are already going to college.

    “‘Innate’ means genetic, but nowhere does Vedder seriously consider the socioeconomic factors that discriminate in college preparation against poor students whose innate intelligence might equal that of wealthier ones.”

    And nowhere does the author seriously consider the imact of genetics on intellectual ability. The facts are in, and genes do have a very substantial impact in intellegence, and that has real impact on academic performance. We are not blank slates.

    The author assumes that because college graduates make nore money than non-college graduates, if we just make more graduates, we would all be better off. This ignores the obvious third factor that he is ignoring. Smart people make more money and are more likely to graduate. Creating more graduates will not create more smart people.

  • grward

    As I read Professor Lazere’s column, and the subsequent comments, I feel that some of the disagreements could be settled if we could agree to stop using “college graduate” as a term signifying a person with highly developed cognitive skills, highly developed communication skills, and advanced levels of knowledge of a wide range of relevant topics but, especially, of a particular discipline. They may have been synonymous at one time (although I suspect not), but they are often unrelated today. It seems to me it would be easier to reach some consensus if we were to ask if it is likely to be true that individuals meeting the latter definition would be desirable in any society, that they would be more likely than others to contribute meaningfully to society, both in a civic sense and in an occupational sense, and that they would be more likely to achieve a sense of success in their lives, in whatever way they would define success. If you go back to this column as well as Vedder’s columns and replace the term “college graduate” with the latter term, it seems to me that they seem to disagree less so.

    Furthermore, getting rid of the term “college graduate” would clarify just what role higher education is supposed to play in society. For instance, let’s take the example of cost-effectiveness. If we think that simply increasing input (number of available spaces for incoming students) leads to increases in output (number of college graduates), then we are more likely to see the outcome as cost-effective. If, on the other hand, we think of it in terms of increasing input, as before, in order to increase output of individuals with these more highly developed skill sets and knowledge, then we are more likely to ask more relevant questions. Are we increasing output simply by lowering quality control at various stages of production of the output? Do we need to require that the input needs to meet certain criteria in order to ensure a high quality of output (i.e., garbage-in, garbage-out)? If we acquire a mix of inputs, some of which meets our criteria and some of which is far below the criteria, how can we ensure that all of the output isn’t somewhat compromised in its quality? Ask any good, hard-working student. They’ll tell you that the unprepared and unwilling students are lowering the quality of education for the rest.

    This has been said so many times in the Chronicle that I wish I didn’t have to restate it. Institutions of higher learning are inefficient at compensating and correcting for years and years of lack of rigor and standards in an individual’s prior education. Simply taking in ever larger proportions of high school grads can lead to higher numbers of college grads—after all, we can always tweak the system to ensure that most of them will get their diploma if they stay long enough—but we haven’t necessarily produced larger numbers of the type of individuals that we could honestly call highly educated. Let’s stop using the term “college grad”: it’s become meaningless.

  • Guest

    Mr. Lazere,

    You tell us you will argue:

    “. . . that America needs more college graduates and so needs to enact policies to improve academic preparation in K-12 education and make college affordable for large numbers of students who are now denied both adequate preparation and financial access”

    then treat us to several hundred words peppered with platitudes and absent argument. In addition to failing to make your case — even to someone favorably inclined to it, as I am — you give the impression that you don’t have the first idea about how to bring these changes about. Change requires vision, concrete strategy, mastery of facts, and an understanding of available resources. Was it your intention to leave that work to someone else?

  • electronicmuse

    Not only do I “like” this comment, I think it hits several nails squarely on the head. Surely it is the personal characteristics grward has cited, rather than the sheepskin, that matter both to the individual and to our society.

    And, his/her comment about lack of rigor in K-12 is spot on. As implied, “college grad” is rapidly coming to have about the same value as “high school grad” once did.

    In my view, most of this country’s ills spring from a fatuous “faith” in America’s “exceptionalism,” or even more pernicious, “manifest destiny.” It is said, that at one time, the Pope sat down with the Kings of Portugal and Spain, and they “divided the world.” Where are these countries now, except asking EU for a bailout, or teetering toward needing to do the same?

    Where is our perspective? We most certainly can fail, individually, and as a country . . . it was the politics of appeals to the ego, and national “exceptionalism” that brought Fascism to power. We’re getting closer and closer . . . maybe we should celebrate with a tea party (in MA, not NH, by the way!)

  • Guest

    I agree that much of the disagreement and emotion is predicated on a tacit assumption of what there was to mean by “higher education” through 1950′s and does not apply to 2011. What does it say for our powers of observation that the construct could have evolved so far and wide without apparent notice?

    Whatever we may think about the fact, higher education is now a mass market, consisting of countless sub-markets, and participated in by almost anyone who wishes to do so. Yes, different intellectual and affective dispositions, skills, and knowledge are required to be a chemist versus a respiratory therapist. So what? Both are important. Both represent “higher education.” Calling one “training” and the other “education” is scientifically unjustified, unhelpful arrogance. I have no doubt that the mean IQ of the former is 1 SD higher than the latter. So what again? How does making this distinction advance society, the economy, or the access and affordability crisis? An interesting aside: the 10-year ROI on respiratory therapy is higher than chemistry and the opportunity cost of the time-to-degree differential (a metric too important for anyone to measure and report) is such that the chemist may never catch up.

  • atana09

    “You still need to answer the question why the public should support expending funds and human effort supporting the education sector only to have its graduates end up at the coffee machine or the fry station–except with smaller loans this time” Quidditas

    You are alluded to several distinct problems here…The first obviously is that colleges often do not present programs and curriculums which are relevant to student’s future needs. That is not a condition exclusive to publically funded institutions that has been made quite evident by all the problems currently afflicting for profit schools especially as reflected in the loan default rates. These are in themselves a barometer for the credibility of programs. Obviously the elite private schools may have also some problems but the connections and the economic resources which make attending such institutions possible do tend to isolate out the direct consequences of questionable programs.

    However cutting the funding is not the manner in which to reform curriculum. One reason is that these cuts demoralize program leaders or make it impossible to integrate new technologies. Second is that the privatization of educational funding with all the supposed benefits of the free market providing quality has clearly failed. The ‘free market’ lending based model has tended to co-opt educational missions because all too often that form of funding makes superficial glitz a imperative. This is because it is needed to sell students and families by marketing which they can see as opposed to good curriculums which have elements not immediately visible in a campus tour or catalog. Over the last decade colleges have been caught up in a orgasmic frenzy of glitz marketing and building as a result of the selling education for debt equation. In that sense the free market (in the sense of the captive market of debt) has turned academe into the equivalent of the Hummer-2. Glitzy, but overpriced and virtually useless for its stated purpose.

    The last reason for continued public support for academe is realpolitik based-one of the functions of public institutions (and this goes clear back to Ruskin and the land grant colleges) is that it provides the belief that the lower orders can partake in either the ideas or the route to economic success of the social elite. Whether or not academe fully functions in these parameters is not the entire issue. Even a flawed function in this arena does tend to function as a social release for resentments arising from loss of social status. In that regard to cut public education funding would remove an essential veneer about the overall American system. Whether or not public education and the redirection of public resources to support it is a social deceit it is a clearly necessary one. Simply because that belief is one of the remaining bastions of social confidence for a middle class which has been losing real economic status for a generation. Once they lose those last confidences in our system this nations economic and social stability are a dead letter.

  • dlazere

    RWT says, “Change requires vision, concrete strategy, mastery of facts, and an understanding of available resources. Was it your intention to leave that work to someone else?”

    I was answering Vedder’s claim, “I think many of the kinds going to college are innately superior to begin with.” I said, “‘Innate’ means genetic, but nowhere does Vedder seriously consider the socioeconomic facts that discriminate in college preparation against poor students whose innate intelligence might equal that of wealthier ones.” So the immediate burden of proof here should no be on me but on Vedder and other commentators here who do fact face up to these factors. Our entire society has long been in denial about the gross injustice against the poor in education, mainly due to inequities in school-district incomes and tax bases. I do not have a program for addressing this dire problem, I am just criticizing Vedder and all the politicians, corporations, and media pundits whose social and education program for America evades this national disgrace. How about holding THEM accountable, RWT?

    Donald Lazere

  • dlazere

    Reviewing these comments, it strikes me that, as usual, most of the criticisms consist of snide derision rather than substantive refutation. No one here has refuted my main assertion, that communities and states are wholly dependent on the economic and civic benefits provided by public colleges and universities, so to cut tax funding for them is to kill the golden goose.

    I live in East Tennessee, where the four largest employers are wholly or partially funded by taxes–the University of Tennessee, Smoky Mountain National Park, TVA, and Oak Ridge Nuclear Laboratory. Who says government does not create jobs? And yet Tennessee voters refuse to pass an income tax and keep answering the siren call of Republicans that government services are a free lunch.

  • des11

    “a better growth strategy would be to put the entire Michigan state government on a starvation diet in order to finance a reduction in the overall tax burden.” They come right out and say it.

    Raised in Escanaba, MI, I know intimately the machinations of the Mackinac institute. The very thing was founded by a far right wing newspaper publisher in order to produce and disseminate very hostile very far right wing propaganda to small town newspapers in the midwest. I can spot their crap from a thousand miles away.

    But the real crap is this quidditas character’s bizarre blathering, claiming that “[E]ducators largely ignored deindustrialization because it was precisely deindustrialization that was fueling the education sector.” I may not be one of his well heeled elect, but how can I possibly have ignored the commanding numbers of students in my classes over the past 25 years, grown increasingly scared, cynical, and utterly exhausted from their part-time jobs doing the scut work out on the “belt highway”?

    As his “macroeconomic trends” consign them–and me–to the “swelling ranks” of the wholly disenfranchised that he seems to be, creepily, celebrating….

    Oh I dunno. Really. I give up. Maybe if I take a Latin nickname and start harking at the liberals about civic discourse from somewhere far far far away from where we work every day…..

  • electronicmuse

    A sometimes useful exercise is to ask “what is the alternative?”

    With all of its warts, education seems key to personal and societal success-previously I alluded to the success of the first G.I. Bill . . . Exactly what is it that uneducated people will do in this country, where heavy manufacturing is now the “rust belt,” and menial (as well as good-paying) jobs are either outsourced abroad, or performed by desperate illegal aliens domestically?

    Will they become criminals, drug dealers, etc.? What choices will they have? We live in an increasingly technical society. Some “social programs” are simply good business, at least long-term. But, our “leaders” in government and business are not looking long-term. For every kid whose brain is literally “starved” because useful programs like Head Start are throttled by demagogues playing to the peanut gallery to ensure their re-election, we’re going to have some real problems downstream.

    Education of all kinds: good, bad, or indifferent. (Yes, of course, improve it.) What choice do we have?

  • Guest

    There can be little doubt that opportunity, in higher education and elsewhere, favors the rich and the smart. At one time, higher education existed to serve these two groups exclusively. Neither is there any doubt that a middle-class student possessing an IQ 0f 115 (+1SD) will find more opportunities in higher education and will find himself better prepared for them than will an underclass student possessing the same IQ. (Interestingly, I think the disadvantage will not be so great or will not exist at all for the underclass student with a 145 IQ.) It does not follow from these facts that you have established or even produced reasonably compelling evidence for your case. That was my point.

  • Guest

    There was nothing snide in my remarks. Your reformulated main assertion: “. . . communities and states are wholly dependent on the economic and civic benefits provided by public colleges and universities, so to cut tax funding for them is to kill the golden goose” begs questions that you need not have raised to make the point that public colleges are important.

    I don’t have time to address all of the issues but consider two: (a) Your statement, ” . . . communities and states are wholly dependent on the economic and civic benefits provided by public colleges and universities.” In addition to finding the logic unclear, what could the idea of “wholly dependent” possibly mean in a global society and given that there are far more non-public colleges in the the US? (b) Your locution, “. . . to cut tax funding for them is to kill the golden goose” implies that you believe that they must be dependent on tax funding and increased tuition as their only possible means of survival. This is false. In an adjacent column, I outlined a few things public colleges can do to become less dependent on taxpayer support. http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/the-decline-of-american-public-universities/29200 . They can begin making these changes this afternoon, provided they have the vision and the will.

    If I could sum up my thinking with respect to your article it would be that you suffer from an Ivy sheltered view of the economy, of higher education, and of education finance. I don’t disagree with some of your sentiments but you will need to master a great many facts if you hope to have influence beyond your circle of friends and compatriots. Your position is too vague and too uninformed by how things really work.

  • quidditas

    Here we go, to follow up on my point about large transnational corporations:

    http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2011/04/david-wessel-big-us-firms-shift-hiring-abroad.html
    David Wessel, WSJ: “Big U.S. Firms Shift Hiring Abroad”

  • quidditas

    You seem to assume that *I* am attacking public schools, and education more broadly.

    My only real point on this thread–although it is a significant one in a country with a half educated and a-political and historically ignorant public (and educators are the worst here) that treats “education” like an addictive drug and a cultural and economic cure-all–is that….education is not an economic cure all. (It’s not a cultural cure-all either, but that’s the subject of another post).

    And the sooner you realize it the sooner you’ll stop spinning your wheels expecting the federal government to ride to your rescue in a disintegrating economic and political context in which heightened competition and austerity for Joe Bloke, who paid off his loan, means he is *not* backing government funded higher education to make the living easy for the competition either– and where he has powerful interests on “his” side and you don’t.

    I think you can’t just wish that dynamic away, although you seem intent on trying to moralize me otherwise, like true believers everywhere.

    Yes, I know Joe is being mean to the students and not playing to your conviction of your own cultural significance apart from the utility of the job market– which he would like to see looking *much* better, thank you. Comprenez vous?

    Education “provides the belief that the lower orders can partake in either the ideas or the route to economic success of the social elite. Whether or not academe fully functions in these parameters is not the entire issue. Even a flawed function in this arena does tend to function as a social release for resentments arising from loss of social status.”

    Why would I want to do that?

    And, joining your Church of the Obfuscation of Inequality and Bad Economic Policy Through Eternal Appeals to Education Without End is a violation of my academic freedom in a *good* economy. In *this* economy, you can definitely forget it.

  • quidditas

    You are attributing to me my explanation of Vedder’s underlying assumptions. And, yes, liberal academia as a body did largely ignore deindustrialization as a national economic trend of significance, the inarticulate bodies in your local classroom *feeding its bottom line* and *issuing YOUR (not my) paycheck* notwithstanding.

    Academia also railroaded labor history off the side of the road with the advent of identity politics as the new leftism in the 1960s. Mackinac harassing the remaining outposts now is just the latest in a long line of outrage.

    Yeah, you should give up. That was the point of the whole cross-ideological onslaught in the first place.

  • quidditas

    Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but one choice seems to be to tell educators to go F*** themselves.

    http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_overselling_of_education#
    Lawrence Mishel, Overselling Education

    http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=schools_as_scapegoats#
    Lawrence Mishel and Richard Rothstein, Schools as Scapegoats

  • dlazere

    Sorry, I wasn’t mainly thinking of you in saying many of these comments are just snide derision with no substantive refutation.

    However, how about your producing “reasonably compelling evidence for your case that “the disadvantage will not be so great or will not exist at all for the underclass student with a 145 IQ IQ”? I do not know at what age or under what circumstances IQ is first tested, but isn’t it plausible that many underclass students suffer from such heavy social and economic disadvantages that they never make it to the stage of IQ testing, or are sufficiently damaged not to achieve to their innate level if they do?

    Concerning your more recent comment, you evade what IS my main point, that communities like mine in East Tennessee are undeniably dependent on the economic and civic benefits provided by public higher education and other tax-funded services, but people have been duped by conservative Republicans and Democrats alike into believing they don’t need to pay taxes to support them. Whether other sources of funding might conceivably be found seems marginal to the tangible reality that taxes spent on higher education are recouped by communities many times over.

  • Guest

    Don,

    ” . . .communities like mine in East Tennessee are undeniably dependent on the economic and civic benefits provided by public higher education and other tax-funded services, but people have been duped by conservative Republicans and Democrats alike into believing they don’t need to pay taxes to support them.”

    This point is not the one I responded to initially and seems considerably narrower than your article in which you speak of “America.” It may well be that your claim about East Tennessee is supportable. If you feel that it is, my suggestion would be to partner with a good economist and make the case. Then partner with individuals who can communicate these values to the legislature and to taxpayers. Your article makes claims which are fundamentally economic in nature but lack economic data or argument to refine and support them. With some qualifications unnecessary to this discussion, universities are a non-exclusive and non-depletable resource. Border defense is a standard example of this category of resource. If we provide it for those who pay for it, those who do not pay for it secure the benefits anyway. This category of resource is always difficult to get taxpayers to pay for because they reap the benefits whether or not they pay as individuals. In such categories, you need to demonstrate benefits (you exhorted and claimed unspecified benefits but you demonstrated nothing) and persuade individuals that it is in their interest to pay more. All of this said, it is not clear to me that a complete economic analysis will make or break your case in East Tennessee. Many legislatures are privately encouraging for-profits to come into their state because they save the state’s taxpayers quite a bit of money. It’s complicated, as they say. Lot’s of variables. That said, these can be no doubt that the contributions are many and perhaps your leading an economic analysis would make that more clear to reasonable people.

    “Whether other sources of funding might conceivably be found seems marginal . . .”

    I disagree. I think it is precisely because of the history of ever increasing state funding (until recently) that public universities have allowed themselves to become so misdirected and inefficient. This links to your larger point. I see public universities that are skilled in linking themselves to community needs such that their services and benefits are highly visible in the community. These universities tend to do well with legislatures and voters, even in tough times. A lack of public support can suggest that the university is perceived as unimportant to the community.

    The IQ thing is too detailed for this forum. It rests on some qualitative rather than incremental differences that tend to emerge when IQs get above +2 SD. These folks stand out in ways that resources tend to find and attach to them. Its the bright underclass kids (+1 SD) who can get overlooked because of their environment and lack of middle-class skills.

    Robert W Tucker

  • dlazere

    To RWT:

    In your last response, you say I claimed “unspecified benefits” of public universities to their communities. However, in my paragraph beginning “Moreover, overwhelming evidence shows that taxes spent in support of public higher education are one of the most profitable investments a society can make” and in following paragraphs, I specified a long (though only partial) list of such benefits, and there have been ample economic studies supporting such claims. If you have contrary evidence to any of these benefits, please specify.

    The problem is not that the public disagree about these benefits. In college towns where I have lived, including Knoxville, San Luis Obispo, Iowa City, and Berkeley, the university virtually IS the town, and everyone knows it. The problem is that conservative propagandists have been poisoning the public’s mind against all government (except military and police) and particularly against public K-12 and higher education, going back to when Reagan was elected governor of California running against “the mess at Berkeley.” In times of economic decline, scapegoats are needed, and public education has been an easy target. Republicans pretend to be just “trimming the fat” from education budgets, but as is obvious in Wisconsin, their stealth aim is to destroy all public sectors where liberals and Democrats are prevalent. Their mentor is Grover Norquist, whose mission is to shrink government down to the size where it can be drowned in a bathtub.

    Meanwhile, conservatives are not the least concerned about trimming the fat from the Pentagon or from mega-corporations that are demonstrably far more wasteful and in countless recent cases more corrupt than any public university in the country. Isn’t the bottom line that people feel helpless against corporate power, so they take out their frustration on sectors that they do have some control over, like government and education?

  • nugatory

    I realize I’m jumping in but you still have not specified any benefits to your commenter. All you have specified is words that might or might not stand for actual benefits.

    It looks like you do not understand what the language of empirics looks like. Anyone can make word claims such as you have and others can make equally reasonable claims to the contrary.

    You need to incorporate empirical evidence in your argument and base your argument on it.

    Your claims are fundamentally empirical in nature but your rhetoric is largely faith-based in nature, something akin to what I would expect to hear in church.

    Also . . . I tire of the “conservatives” versus “liberals” whining. They have become a substitute for reasoning and evidence. Most people are conservative on some issues and progressive on other issues. How about speaking to the specific issue rather than using the proxy language of the uneducated?

  • dlazere

    I wrote, “The return on tax-funded investment in public higher education is beyond measure in the undergraduate and graduate education of both employers and employees in virtually every industry and profession.” How would you go about quantifying that? One good test would be to close down public colleges and universities, and to see how much it would cost industry and the professions to do their job training and research, instead of feeding at the public trough.

    I gave a detailed list of areas in which universities also create jobs, contribute to corporate profits, pay taxes, and create large investment funds. What do you want, a detailed accounting ledger? Isn’t it up to conservative economists like Vedder, who claim to deny the value of these benefits, to do that accounting? He has failed to do so in his book and articles.

  • nugatory

    Q: “The return on tax-funded investment in public higher education is beyond measure in the undergraduate and graduate education of both employers and employees in virtually every industry and profession.” How would you go about quantifying that?
    A: Any good economist, irrespective of their political persuasion, can help you quantify this. The question shows your lack of understanding.

    Quote: “I gave a detailed list of areas in which universities also create jobs, contribute to corporate profits, pay taxes, and create large investment funds. What do you want, a detailed accounting ledger? ”
    Response: You need to be scholarly here, instead of hyperbolic. Detailed accounting ledgers have been created. Public universities cost the taxpayer from $11,000 – $16,000 per student per year. They don’t pay taxes on land, purchases, use, income, or endowments and, on balance, they are not accountable for their services, efficiencies, or effectiveness. Your school’s graduation rate is, I believe, well below 50%, thus your average taxpayer cost per degree, assuming you average 5 years per graduating student for a 4-year degree (the national average for publics is 5.5 years) is $110,000 to $160,000 per student and this doesn’t include student tuition or the myriad of hidden fees that public universities add to the cost of attending. This latter category is relevant because it also costs the taxpayer (often parents) in terms of education deductions, etc.

    Now, to demonstrate public benefit, you need to demonstrate economic returns above that amount. I’m sorry but you’re simply out of your league on this particular topic and you don’t seem to recognize it. I don’t know why. It’s fine with me if you want to complain to your friends about the declining support of public higher education. I have my own personal pet peeves. Just don’t pretend that your complaints are academic or scholarly. They aren’t and the scholarly thing to do would be to thank those of us who have attempted to set you straight instead of coming back again and again with more bad reasoning.

  • Guest

    Nugatory – I’ve tried to help here as well because I think good state-level analyses are worthwhile. I wasn’t able to get through. One problem in academia is that too few have any real idea of how publics fit into local, state, and the national economy. Lots of myth and grand sounding ideas and little factual knowledge.

  • dlazere

    To Nugatory. Thank you for raising more concrete economic questions. I grant that I should have phrased what I wrote more in terms of conjecture and raising of questions, rather than suggesting that I had statistically based answers. (However, as a rhetorician by academic trade, may I suggest that you and RWT would be more persuasive sticking to statistical arguments without ad hominem, unsubstantiated insults against academics?)

    Have you or other economists that you know done all the studies you call for, and reached the conclusion that public higher education is not worth the public expenditure, even in communities where it is the whole center of economic and civic life? Vedder’s studies, which are quite reductive, fall way short of doing this. If such studies are not out there, then aren’t you being as conjectural as me?

    Here is where politics impinges on economics. Shouldn’t your disdain for humanistic academics be equally well directed at Republican and “Tea Party” attacks on public sector employment and spending– attacks that have no more grounding in scholarly economic research than my conjectures? Shouldn’t you be concerned that their uninformed political zealotry could end up destroying irreplaceable public institutions before the scholarly evidence of their worth has been proven one way or the other?

  • nugatory

    dlazere – You are consistently mistaking critical appraisal of process with rejection of content. I have no disdain for the humanities; certain areas are a lifelong passion for me and I have considerable education in them. Neither have I reached the conclusion you impute to me that public higher education isn’t worth the public expenditure (although it is dangerously close to that in some areas). My personal conclusion runs in the opposite direction but for specific, empirically supported reasons. What I’m saying (I’ve lost track of how many times/ways), is that you haven’t done your homework. You are making claims which are empirical to their core (some facets require operational definitions as well, which you also fail to supply). Then you support these empirical claims with generalizations that are too vague and imprecise to be refuted (in Popper’s sense) and which I believe and in some cases know to subsume both truth and falsehood. Have you never had a student make a grand, ill-defined, and conceptually muddy assertion and found yourself saying, “Well, what you say has merit but you have not expressed it in a way that it is either correct or can be properly assessed?” That is what I am saying to you. I assume that we are both open to being corrected and learning new things. My suggestion is to get with some economics and social policy folks and see what you can come up with based on extant data. That will cost time rather than money and in a few months, you will have a solid case, whatever it turns out to be.

  • dlazere

    You are right, and I appreciate your acknowledgment that conclusive evidence is not in on either side. Will you also acknowledge (1) that Vedder’s evidence is far from conclusive and (2) Republicans like those in Congress, Scott Walker, and the Tea Party are not basing their attacks on public education and other public employment on economic scholarship, but on demagogic anti-intellectualism and an attempt to crush their political opponents? It is attacks like this that set off defensive efforts like my column. Do you think that any amount of solid economic analysis would sway professional propagandists in the employment of those with a financial interest in privatizing K-12 and college education, as well as a political interest in wiping out their opponents?

  • nugatory

    (1) You would have to specify to which of Mr. Vedder’s many assertions you are referring. He has borrowed from my writing in places without attribution and that can be irritating but my larger concern is that we develop an open, transparent, and accountable market in higher education. I think he is generally correct in noting (as I did in the mid-1990′s) the counter-effects of Title IV on access and affordability. I think he is generally correct in noting (as I did in the mid-1990′s) that public higher education, especially, has become grossly inefficient and unaccountable. I think his knowledge of for-profits it too superficial and narrow to justify his views on them, positive and negative. And so on. (2) I don’t waste my time with the Tea Party. Clearly is is a polymorphous term identified with by rational people concerned with what they see as the excessive growth in the size and powers of the federal government and ideologues who use the label to pursue various irrational agendas such as an unregulated capital market. We have always had a lunatic fringe and, now, some of them are seeking shelter under the “Tea Party” umbrella. Who cares!

    If you really want to help public higher education, do what you can to help them become more self-sufficient, efficient, transparent, and accountable. Most important, help them lower their per-student budgetary growth to no more than the CPI after, first, lowering it by 5% a year for the next five years. Mr. Vedder is absolutely correct in noting that the publics’ price advantage is disappearing. As that happens, they lose even more market share and the graveyard spiral tightens.

  • dlazere

    Thanks. Can you please identify yourself and cite your works, either here or by e-mail at
    dlazere@igc.org?

    Not “wasting your time” on the Tea Party, or allied political operatives seems like sticking your head in the sand, concerning powerful forces that are out to demolish public K-12 and higher education with little regard for economic evidence.

    In today’s responses to Rich Vedder’s last post, N. Bedalvi makes two nice points about logical fallacies in Vedder. Goes to show that economists are not immune to logical fallacies that are in the realm of us scholars of rhetoric.

  • nugatory

    Bedalvi’s parsing of one of Mr. Vedder’s locutions is correct in a small way but not material. I have to say that I don’t see much too much substantive analysis in any of these recent blogs on this topic. None of it appears to understand the actual behavior of students in the market. None of it appreciates the comprehensive judgments of employers. Mr. Vedder’s original blog and his response to you remains at the safely vague level for which I criticized your blog. However, in contrast to Mr. Donoghue’s blog (which is embarrassing uneducated ranting) both of you are serious, concerned, and presumably open to new facts.

    I’ll be in touch.

  • lisanyu

    When you say “I don’t recommend being a FT adjunct or a LT adjunct” are you making that comment from a CC hiring perspective and if so, why is that?  Or are you referring to the untenable way of making a living such a situation is, and if so, been there, done that.

  • crossing_bridges

    I also am looking for a part-time teaching job, having recently retired with 32 years of middle school classroom experience. One option is a community college and the other is a private college. I have a Masters of Arts in Education, but both colleges want your major to be content specific for that class (although I have “highly qualified” status in both areas.)  I am hoping for an interview, nonetheless. What is the difference between a “part-time” salary and an “adjunct” salary in the middle of Kansas?

  • skepticalteach

    RE:  Kansas part-time – Part-time and adjunct pay is usually one in the same.  Adjunct means ‘part-time’ You most likely will be paid on credit hour or ‘load’ hour (usually those with labs attached to courses).  Visit your college’s website.  The rate is most likely posted on the HR/employment page.  If not, call HR and ask the rate and the process to apply.  Some colleges do all hiring thru HR; others go thru the departments..  Also, think about contacting the Education department to ask if they need adjunct faculty for fall.  Hope this helps.

  • barnettp3

    Three years ago a community college provost approached us at Temple University,  because she wanted to hire faculty who had some preparation in “how to teach.”  She valued the content expertise her faculty brought to her institution (either through advanced degrees or professional experience) but wanted some pedagogy expertise too.  So, we developed Temple’s 6 credit “Teaching in Higher Education Certificate.” The curriculum addresses how people learn and research-based best practices. It’s a great way to enhance your teaching and your professional credentials. The coursework has been offered at several sites in the Philadelphia region, but no matter where you live, you can join us online as of spring 2012. Click here to learn about requirements, and also to read an Inside Higher Ed article about this unique program:  http://www.temple.edu/tlc/events/thec/non-matriculation_track.htm   
    If you’d like to know more, don’t hesitate to contact us at tlc@temple.edu.

  • polisciguy

    Having been a CC adjunct this past year, I can testify to how valid this advice is. I have taught F/T at a private college in a different field and F/T high school in the a related field, but I know my adjunct work is what will get me in the door eventually to a TT position in this field. The biggest concern I have as I approach 40 is how long do I remain in the holding pattern that is adjunct work. There seems to be no magic number here.

  • big_giant_head

    They are the same, Crossing Bridges.  I’m in the middle of Kansas here, too.

    It’s not just the colleges that want your major to be content-specific; it’s the state.  I don’t know what you want to teach, but you can’t teach math (for example) unless you had 18 grad hours in math.  It doesn’t matter how good you were at what you DID major in.

    And you will also run into the problem of prejudice against an MA in Education.  It’s widely viewed as the degree K-12 teachers get in order to earn a pay raise, rather than a subject-matter degree that would allow a person to teach at the college level.

    Whether either of these facts are fair is another question, but they are the walls you’ll have to climb.

  • wilkenslibrary

    Dear Polisciguy,
      You must be new to this discussion, so here’s some info:  there are roughly 1,000,000 (yup, that’s one million) non-tenure-track faculty (fewer if you don’t include TAs) teaching in our college classrooms.  In my department, there are about ten full-timers to about 40 adjuncts.  While not all of the part-timers want a full-time job, those who do are unlikely ever to get one.  My school hasn’t hired a new full-timer since 2008.  Isaac is the exception, not the rule.  So good luck to you, but don’t quit your day job.

    Best,
    Betsy Smith/Adjunct Professor of ESL/Cape Cod Community College

  • crossing_bridges

    Well, thanks for your input. It really makes sense considering the time I have waited, after sending in everything they required, and making a personal visit to the facility and meeting face to face with the ‘secretary’….still no interview invitation.  It’s too bad, because, as you said, it really doesn’t matter how good I am in that subject area with years of experience. I know I am a dynamic instructor and would make a major impact with students. What website would you suggest I go to to read about state requirements for content-specific college teaching degrees? Aren’t there any exceptions?  My MA in Education was hard work with quality courses, albeit a ‘general’ degree, and although the pay increase for one year was helpful, my true intent was to teach at the college level after retirement from public schools! 

  • bcbailey64

    What would really help is if some of the baby boomers who have been in their positions forever, would retire and open up some positions for their juniors who have been waiting for oh so long…

  • polisciguy

    Betsy,

    The numbers are disheartening, but I do appreciate the perspective they reveal. While I have had positive discussions with my dean about his belief that I am qualified for a F/T position, that may be more wishful thinking than reality. I have been teaching F/T college or high school since 2003, so I am not as new as I may appear (perhaps is the sense of hope and optimism in my posts that suggest newness). If, after a couple of years, I cannot find a F/T post, I likely will quit teaching adjunct or realign my goals. I refuse to be the metaphorical protagonist waiting for the “true love” of a TT job that will never come. 

  • dxg197

    Last year we had to fail a search for a tenure-track position in our department because there were not enough qualified candidates with enough teaching experience, we had 140 applicants.  While teaching experience wasn’t the only issue, many of the candidates who looked good otherwise would have been hired if they had only done some teaching beyond being a TA in grad school.  1 or 2 semesters at an adjunct would have made a huge difference.

  • pamelatodoroff

    I detect in this article an unfortunate perpetuation of the “adjunct as temporary” mindset that diminishes our professional stature in academia. I’m proud of the 3+ years I’ve taught at a community college, of my two masters degrees that have kept me marketable, and of the wonderful teaching experience I’ve gained. But as long as Mr. Sweeney and others continue to refer to the adjunct status as a means to another (more profitable, more appreciated, more professionally acceptable) position Adjuncts everywhere will be thought of as more transient and less effective than we are.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kathleen-Flacy/1721996494 Kathleen Flacy

    What would help would be if 1) states would return to actually funding “state-supported” schools, and 2) accrediting commissions would require a more reasonable ratio of full-time to part-time faculty (by reversing the current 30/70 to make it 70% full-time to 30% part-time) as a matter of educational quality.  Not likely, but there it is.

  • cfell

    Experience helps, but the system is manipulated by an exploitative culture. Administrators, unions, and tenured faculty have professions. Adjuncts have jobs. The system supplies a continuous flow of new ma/ms/mfa et al. every semester to compete and replace the previous adjuncts who eventually realize they simply cannot sustain a middle class life because of the restricted contracts negotiated by the administrations and unions representing only tenured faculty.

    If you find the classroom the most intellectually engaging work environment, if you believe you have a vocation, if you find teaching the most challenging and rewarding experience of your life, it doesn’t matter. Administrators, union leaders, and tenured faculty have professions.

    Adjuncts have jobs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kathleen-Flacy/1721996494 Kathleen Flacy

    Or maybe if one of the requirements for adjuncting would include a certain level of financial independence, or at least another, full-time, job? 

  • teprusa

    Unfortunately many of us baby boomers had been adjuncts or taking temp jobs for many years, so when we did get a full-time job we were in our 40s or even 50s, so now we are doing catch-up so we can retire, but we often don’t have enough money or time in to do so.

  • big_giant_head

    Well, I wish I did know of a catch-all website that could help you, but I’m afraid I don’t.  One thing I would recommend is to keep reading the Chronicle forums on the job-search.  That resource is one reason I have a full-time faculty position now. 

  • lewisruth2

    How does one get the experience required, when I can’t obtain employment because I have no experience?

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  • glenthomas

    A a public university, the University of Maryland spends an average of $67,389 on each athlete and then wants more state support for programs?  Even worse in Florida at $118,813 per athlete!  This reveals the underlying problems with university sports that led to the disaster at Penn State.

  • henr1055

    Maybe they could just ger rid of football, raise the average SAT scores by 30% and uncover all the hidden expenses Football requires so it can pretend to be solvent

  • jeffgray

    What do they spend on football, men’s and women’s basketball and lacrosse?  Perhaps they should consider reducing expenditures in these over resourced and overstaffed programs, and save some of the other programs that they have on the chopping block. The student athletes in the programs proposed for elimination probably have stronger academic profiles, and a greater appreciation for the academic and athletic opportunities that they have available to them; they are not the student athletes asking to be paid more, and most of them are probably not slated to receive the $2,000 in additional support toward the full cost of attendance.  This is where the NCAA reforms do not go far enough.  If the Presidents are really serious about true reform and concern for rising costs, they will take steps to:  (1) reduce scholarship allocations further in the high profile sports of football (FBS and FCS), and men’s and women’s basketball; (2) reduce the number of coaching positions in all of these sports (do basketball programs really need 5 full time coaches and other support staff to manage 12 kids?); (3) reduce the number of non-coaching staff positions that are permissable; (4) reduce the competition schedules (and missed class time) in certain sports (basketballs, baseball and softball, among others), and (5) consider ways to place reasonable caps on operating and salary expenditures; for the latter, there are of course certain challenges, and an antitrust exemption may have to be sought, but the fact of the matter is that high profile football and basketball coaches are simply paid too much, disproportionate to their true value and contribution to the whole.  The high profile men’s programs (and not women’s sports or gender equity requirements) are largely responsible for the lion’s share of the cost issues, and this has an adverse impact on other programs and student athletes, many of which much more closely resemble the “collegiate” model of intercollegiate play. Until the NCAA and institutions of higher education get their arms wrapped around this and really tackle the core issues, corruption will continue, and the lower profile programs will get squeezed.

  • victorl

    “Urge U. of Maryland to Drop 8 Sports …”  but not football … but  not basketball … Maybe you could lose the badminton team?  Yeah!  That’d sure bolster up the ol’ bottom line …

  • blesstayo

    I now see that athletics are still for the alumni members since no popular sport is cut, despite the declining revenues from football and basketball.

  • cbmma1

    I was going to post exactly the same thing! $118,813 per athlete at FSU, in the middle of a Florida budget disaster? I would say that athletic departments should NEVER have a deficit, which sucks resources from important things, such as academics. And, BTW, I am a huge fan of sports, but I don’t see why one of the missions of a UNIVERSITY shoudl be to spend millions for sports. Use the European model: you want a farm system for football? Create minor leagues. You want to play soccer? Form a club and play all you want, but don’t ask us to foot the bill.

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    oh thanks 

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