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American Culture: Ours or Yours?

April 12, 2011, 4:00 pm

John Ford and the Guggenheim Museum. They’re both American icons. And they’re both commonly cited for their influence on other cultures.

But reverse the question. How much do they reflect the impact of other cultures on America? That’s what Richard Pells, a professor of history at the University of Texas at Austin who has written previously about the global reach of American culture, sets out to ask in Modernist America: Art, Movies, and the Globalization of American Culture, recently published by Yale University Press.

The Chronicle spoke to him about his book:

Q: You note the term “modernism” is elastic. How do you define it?

Modernism is a controversial term for anyone who uses it. For my purposes, I mean the ways that European painters, architects, novelists, poets, composers, and filmmakers transformed their art forms to make people see, hear, and think in entirely new ways about the upheavals of the 20th century. They believed that only by making painting more abstract (Picasso, Kandinsky), architecture more functional (Mies van der Rohe, Walter Gropius), music more dissonant (Stravinsky, Schoenberg), literature more complex (James Joyce), movies more experimental (the German Expressionists of the 1920s), could they help people begin to grapple with the wars, scientific and technological changes, and terror against whole populations that marked the modern world.

Q: Scholars have written recently about the spread of popular culture throughout the world. Has there been less focus on the internationalization of “high-brow” culture—and its relation to popular culture?

I think there has. I am interested in the interconnections between high and popular culture, especially as they are reflected in movies. I don’t think the two categories—high and low—can be arbitrarily separated, either in America or elsewhere in the world. Orson Welles, like Steven Spielberg today, was extremely conversant with movements in art and literature, which he incorporated into his films. Yet, again like Spielberg, he was also a superb entertainer. The same is true for jazz musicians like Charlie Parker and Miles Davis—they were extremely knowledgeable about the transformations in modern music, yet they made these part of their jazz repertoire.

Q: What made you reverse the way you evaluate America’s place in global culture? And how common or uncommon is that perspective?

When most people write about the global impact of American culture, they emphasize either the ways that American culture has subverted foreign traditions, or the ways that foreigners have resisted or adapted American culture to their own needs. I did that in my previous book, Not Like Us: How Europeans Have Loved, Hated, and Transformed American Culture Since World War II. But in Modernist America, I want to show how Americans adapt to and change foreign cultures, making them into something new that ultimately has had worldwide popularity. My point is that Americans are as much receivers of other people’s cultures as they exporters of their own culture.

Q: How does understanding modernist America help us understand what you call America’s “mixed-up cultures”?

It’s important to understand that America’s culture is both unique and cosmopolitan, and that it is not just lowbrow entertainment but also the highest form of art.  In painting, literature, jazz, Broadway musicals, and above all movies, Americans have given the world a new form of culture that mirrors the dislocations and excitement of the 20th and early 21st centuries.—Karen Winkler

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  • doriso

    On interviews in which the search committee chair was serious about hiring me, they made sure to have a friendly faculty or staff member show me around potential neighborhoods, etc… It sounds like the bad experience is with the realtor, not the University and a little more research might offer a better perspective. It may have been poor (or overly optimistic) judgment on the part of the Chair to have you look around with “a” realtor, instead of some one he trusted to show you around. For what it is worth, when I am actively engaged in a job search, the first thing I do, if I’m asked to interview, is to a quick check of local real estate online — just to be sure that the salary range is aligned with the local cost of living and my quality of life expectations.

  • hmcneece

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  • jill2581

    Hi Richard. I was a student of yours (twice, I think) at UT in history (before and since 1945 as I recall). Nice to read this interview. I will try to locate your global culture-oriented books. I’m retired from speech facutly at ACC, taught speech and an honors class in culture and communication from 2001-07. In Fall ’08, I lived in Sofia, Bulgaria, for 5 months, coached a political anthro prof, Nikolay Naydenov, for his eventual Fulbright to George Mason U. in D.C., and helped edit scholarly papers and book proposals. I lived with the grandparents above Nick’s apartment and tutored their 4 kids also. This past week, I’ve been editing Nikolay’s paper for an Italian journal, on the concept of “political capital” by email. I’ll have to tell you my Bulgarian culture story: Shortly after I arrived, and on Baba Moynie’s birthday, age 76, family and friends entered the room where I was staying for her party, and grandsons and friends promptly began playing Led Zeppelin and Beatle’s songs for about about hour, to which everyone apparently knew the words, in English, except me! Pics of travels on Facebook under my name. I WILL find your books! Mr. Barbato, just posted your interview re book from the Chronicle of Higher Ed on my Facebook.

  • sciencegrad

    I’ll need to check out that book myself.  I worked and went to a public university but still couldn’t avoid graduating with about $25k in loans.  I’m curious to see how the book recommends avoiding loans without attending community college.

  • jesor

    I’ve been paying on both my undergraduate and graduate loans (I didn’t really qualify for much in grant aid, worked on campus the whole time, but changed majors as an undergrad).   I started at a federal direct school as an undergrad, waited for the rates to drop and then consolidated, while my grad school was in the FFLP program, I consolidated my grad loans with Dept of Ed once I was done which somehow boosted my credit score (the lender had recorded a new application and line of credit on my credit report each semester which dropped my score apparently).  It was one of the better decisions I made since the servicing stayed simple and I figured that if there ever were to be a forgiveness program the feds would start with the loans they held first (that hasn’t really come about but here’s to hoping).  I never see the money each month now too (it’s automatically withdrawn from my checking account which resulted in a discount on the interest rate).   I did have to go into forbearance once or twice when I had to move for work (which literally took 2 minutes to request and have approved), but have generally been employed during my repayment period.  This is the biggest lesson student borrowers should know is that their loans are something to be managed, not feared and not something that are thrust upon them as is.  

    As for those who claim to be able to work and go to school successfully for 10 years, good for you but that wouldn’t have worked for me since my family’s income was too high to qualify but too low to pay (they were stuck in the sole-proprietor business tax reporting trap), and we didn’t have any solid community college transfer options at the time.   I could have waited until the age of 24 to attend, but the opportunity cost of that would not have worked economically.    While I do wish I had the extra money each month that’s going to my loans, I look back at the education (that I actually use daily), and still consider those loans to be a solid financial decision.

  • atana09

      One of the problems in repayment is that the old structures set up by the corporate lenders under the sub program are still in effect for those blessed/cursed to have borrowed under those programs.
    And although the direct program is in effect the old loansharks still have some input because some are handling the federal loans as contractors. For example Great Lakes applied for some of that Fed servicing  contract  with Nelnet and Sallie Mae. The last two may not have rid themselves of old habits and old abuses in their new function as subcontractors. And likely they will be figuring out means to apply the old fee structures (220% by one CEO’s admission) to the new program. Old, rabid, and very profitable dogs tend to be reluctant to learn new tricks. And one of those old tricks was not letting borrowers be aware of alternatives.   The larger concern however is that the tuition escalations caused by the debt based model, inadequate support for grants and other aids, virtually ensure the amounts borrowed by any student will become monsters when the job doesn’t pan out, or the income is lower than expected. Mr. Austin noted that problem in his response to the panel. And no doubt his debt increased substantially due to the late payment and missed payment.
      Part of the problem is also perception. Many of those blessed individuals who went to college in the halycon days before the debt for education model became so dominant have little or no concept of how pervasive and difficult student debt actually has become.
      Czander did a service by his good explanation of just how much student debt is owed in this country and how dangerous it has become for the economic as a whole. Eventually the default issue will come to the forefront because our shattered economy will send millions into the dire necessity of chosing between default or maintaining a place to live and something to eat. At that point another solution beyond hounding troubled lenders to their graves will need to be found. And bullet point recommendations will not do that job.
      And in actuality our economy would have been better served by helping out the millions who are mired in student debt, which would have freed them to rebuild the economy than all the trillions given over to the financial sector under TARP/TARF et al.  
     
     
     

  • twocommonwealths

    I feel your pain.  I am finishing graduate school and owe a tiny amount from undergrad (someone suggested to my parents that I take out a small loan just to build credit and “learn the value of a dollar”– something I regret doing since I already knew it, thanks to a family that instilled the value of putting birthday checks in a savings account) as well as a more substantial amount from graduate school.  I owe some to a bank that is now defunct and a state administrator of loans that is now defunct– meaning I owe it to some third party purchaser of the lender as well as the federal government for my grad school loans.  I’m unable to consolidated my loans, since the third-party lender acquired my loan debt through a buyout. I will be able to pay my loans regardless of my employment situation, thanks to a nice nest egg I’ve amassed over the years, but many students aren’t lucky enough to have this kind of safety net. 

    While I find some of Mr. Austin’s comments to be excuses rather than useful tips for improving the lending system, he makes an excellent point that the disconnect between lenders and institutions makes it difficult for the student, financial aid officer, and lender.

  • richardtaborgreene

    One of the benefits of dying is laid out in czander’s remark above.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HWCSNSTCE5NC6PSQ52QQT5O6D4 svg1234

    What gall. How about being financially responsible?

  • http://twitter.com/hoystory Matthew Hoy

    No one should ever take out a loan to get a degree in journalism. Journalism doesn’t pay enough to warrant the up-front costs.

  • Italia

    Who would hire someone who doesn’t check his own mail? It is sad this kid is blaming everyone – the school, the servicer, his mailman – but himself. Even Journalism majors know that bills come due, loans are not gifts, and mail is expected to be opened. There are millions of “little people” who work extra jobs after graduation to pay their bills.

  • laughnow

    Community college is fabulous because it has two tracks..academic..in state transfer to State school, or trade, or combo. I got an AA EET(Electrical Engineering)..i was instantly employed. I mean days. worked while finishing undergrad full time, but could have been part time and taken longer. ZERO debt. No loans.

    These kids that go to 4 yr schools in this job market:real dummies. Employers value experience. what better way to get than to work and get it, then be able to elucidate in detail how your practical, technical, sales/marketing/support/product experience will make them money, as opposed to a Frat boy or girl with their heads in the clouds that are ‘owed’ a big money job right out of college. Ill pass.

  • http://www.pointsandfigures.com pointsnfigures

    try the website edulender.com.  they might be able to help. 

  • inlibrarian

    I must put a link on facebook for my soccer-coaching brothers-in law.

  • bhay9341

    I am sorry but, no matter how a cookie is divided I will eat the whole thing.

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