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Women versus Women

January 12, 2009, 2:10 pm

Thanks to Historiann for calling attention to an article in The New York Times about why some women undermine one another at work.

In the article, executive coach Peggy Klaus offers a familiar litany of explanations for such (mis)behavior:

Probably the most popular one is the scarcity excuse — the idea that there are too few spots at the top, so women at more senior levels are unwilling to assist female colleagues who could potentially replace them.

Another explanation is what I call the “D.I.Y. Bootstrap Theory,” which goes like this: “If I had to pull myself up by the bootstraps to get ahead with no one to help me, why should I help you? Do it yourself! […]”

Others contend that women mistreat one another because of hyperemotionality, leading them to become overly invested in insignificant nuances and causing them to hold grudges. I’ve encountered this phenomenon among women who feel personally assaulted when someone criticizes them or their ideas.

Historiann, however, shares some other ideas in her excellent post. She suggests that while the “scarcity excuse” might be a real factor in the traditional workplace, inside the ivory tower it makes little sense:

Unlike people outside of academia, who are vulnerable to layoffs and being replaced by younger and cheaper employees, tenured faculty are safe. They’re made men and women, so they have nothing to lose when their junior colleagues succeed, and if they have even a glimmer of civic-mindedness about their jobs they’ll be happy that their colleagues are thriving and making the department look good.

She also takes issue with with idea that “women mistreat one another because of hyperemotionality,” arguing instead that in her experience it is “men who are inclined to lash out emotionally” simply because they can get away with it. While a woman who shouts or gets angry (or, heaven forbid, cries) in the workplace is typically viewed as “a crazy b!tch,” a man can express anger without hurting his career, Historiann writes. In fact, men often “use anger” to their benefit — to make a point or get their way, she adds.

An overlooked, but better explanation is that women are generally “more critical of women, and they hold other women to higher standards than they do their male colleages. No matter what women do, it’s never enough, and it can always be twisted to be evidence of something bad that highlights a defect in your career,” Historiann concludes.

How prevalent is the phenomenon of women bullying other women in academe, and what explains it?

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10 Responses to Women versus Women

Katrina Gulliver - July 29, 2011 at 1:23 pm

Congratulations, Claire! I look forward to hearing more about your transition to the new position.

Jennifer Evans - July 29, 2011 at 1:51 pm

Hi Claire! Congratulations! I too will be excited to follow what comes next. I wonder what the difference will be in terms of actual teaching and access to students. Will you go from small classes and seminars to larger lecture courses and graduate students, and if so, how did you think that through? It is a big difference, I’m sure. And not wanting you to disclose if you don’t wish, but was there a partner hire part of all this, and if so, how did that weigh in to things with the different schools, if I may ask? My experience with friends et. al is that for junior positions (here in Canada at least), partner/spousal hires aren’t in the ballpark. For senior positions, that is certainly different.

Again, all the best! Will you disclose the school? My my my, I’m so nosy/curious.

historiann - July 30, 2011 at 9:54 am

This is wonderful news TR:  congratulations and best wishes!!! 

I found your exhilaration at merely sending off an application letter really interesting.  Who knows how exiciting the new job might be?

jliedl - July 30, 2011 at 10:54 am

I’m so happy for you that you’ve found a good way to move on to new challenges in an interesting environment. As you say, growing up in one job forms you in a certain way. Having a chance to move to a different institution has to be invigorating!

daniel_goldberg - July 30, 2011 at 12:56 pm

Congratulations, TR! While I am very happy for you, and more than a bit curious to know where you are headed, I am sorry for my future alums at Zenith who will be denied the pleasure of learning from you in person.

physioprof - July 30, 2011 at 2:30 pm

Congrats! I have a few thoughts/questions:

(1) When biomedical scientists with successful funded research programs switch institutions, they negotiate for a start-up budget. Depending on the stature of the individual making the switch, this can be millions of dollars. Obviously, the expenses of historical research are much lower than biomedical science, but did you negotiate for start-up, teaching release, etc?

(2) I am confused by the last sentence of your post, in which you state that you are taking a “year’s leave”. This new job is only temporary?

(3) Fucke yeah, tell us where you’re going!!!!!

susanda - July 31, 2011 at 5:00 pm

Congratulations, TR.  Like others, I’m dying of curiosity about where you are moving….

In terms of private/public, having recently made the move to the public sector, I think I understand why people are anxious, especially about a senior hire.  There are dimensions to public institutions, in terms of hiring, procurement, etc. where there is far less flexibility than in private institutions. And the whole issue of how you are, as a public institution, accountable to the public, shapes the institution in interesting ways.  Most of them are fairly subtle (although not the way the institutional budget is set by the state legislature — but they are there.  And while — knowing you — I am sure you would have functioned just fine, people may also be reflecting on previous hires who were not happy. 

On the other hand, in relation to CP’s comment, I’d never heard of “start-ups” in the humanities before I went to a public institution!

northernbarbarian - August 1, 2011 at 9:18 am

Congratulations! I hope this puts new wind in your sails.  It will be particularly interesting to hear your comparisons of the public vs private scene.

historiann - August 1, 2011 at 7:36 pm

Meh.  I’ve worked in private, sectarian unis and private colleges, and for most of my career I’ve been at a large public uni.  I don’t really see the differences–what strikes me are the similarities.  The only serious difference I see in publics v. privates is how swiftly the political winds can change depending on who’s governor or in charge of the state ledge or senate.  And any sentient adult who reads the newspaper on a biweekly basis can figure that out.

IOW, I’m not impressed by the ninnies and concern trolls who suggest that it’s such a big freakin’ deal.  (And I’m not talking about Susanda here, whose comment was perfectly sensible and reasonable.  I’m talking about anyone who made this a serious criteria in hir hiring priorities.)

physioprof - August 1, 2011 at 8:49 pm

A very close friend and colleague was a dean at a private university for about five years. She was very effective and liked being dean a lot, and decided to move to a deanship with what seemed like a great opportunity to shape the future of an entire area of scholarship at a public university. She absolutely hated it, as having to deal with the deranged ignorant greedy fucke-uppes that populate state legislatures on an annual basis made long-term planning impossible. (But yeah, for tenured faculty it’s probably not that different to be at a public versus private institution.)

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