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The Virtues of Virtual Interviews

December 2, 2011, 12:23 pm

We have just completed preliminary interviews in our search for a new vice-president for student affairs, and this year we decided to do them by Skype, rather than at an off-site location such as an airport hotel.

We experimented with this interviewing method for several reasons. First, we have a large committee, and making it possible for eight or so individuals, including a student, with fiendishly complex schedules to be available for an extended, consolidated time off campus is virtually impossible.

Secondly, we sometimes do interviews here in Storm Lake, which saves us time but costs candidates several extra hours to make the trip from any of the regional airports. Even if candidates stayed near the airport and we came to them, they would likely spend two days traveling and interviewing, a significant cost for those who may have to take vacation days to interview.

Those selected can expect to spend another three days traveling to and engaging in an on-campus interview, bringing the total time commitment for candidates to a full work week. Sacrificing this much time out of the office can be costly — both financially and in terms of workflow management — so reducing it makes sense from the candidates’ side and from ours.

Finally, the cost savings are astronomical — to fly eight candidates to Omaha, for example, put them up for one or two nights and pay all their expenses, and then to pay all the costs and expenses of sending the committee there would run, modestly, over $10,000, and could easily approach $20,000, depending on the candidates’ home airports and the advance notice for purchasing plane tickets.

Of course, the point of any search is to hire the best possible candidate for the institution, taking into account all the contextual issues–academic, financial, regional, and so forth. If teleconferences were a lot less effective than face-to-face interviews, the costs and challenges of conducting interviews in person would certainly be worth it.

A recent thread in The Chronicle’s forums on the effectiveness of Skype interviews has prompted me to think systematically about our recent process. Based on this limited experience, I would say that our video interviews have been substantially better and more effective than telephone interviews, which are difficult for many people on both sides of the table. Skype interviews may be less effective than face-to-face interviews (I am reserving judgment until I see how our finalists fare on campus), but at the moment they seem to have been pretty good. We had no technical problems nor any difficulty setting up the connections, and the interactions between the committee and the candidates were apparently good. I am confident that we have enough information to make solid decisions about which candidates to consider further.

This experience also makes me wonder about the future of conference interviews. While off-site interviews can cost senior-level candidates vacation time or potential credibility on their own campuses, graduate-student candidates surely spend proportionally much more of their assets on conference interviews.

Moreover, having in my time done a large number of MLA interviews, I know how much they cost an institution, and generally speaking, for the same money we could bring as many as six (rather than the customary three) candidates to campus for more extended conversations. I am not arguing for doing that, necessarily, but for the time and financial commitment on the part of both hiring institutions and candidates, I think it’s worth thinking about how much value we get for the expenses incurred. I would not be surprised to discover that we could make better use of the resources we spend on off-site interviews at the executive level, or conference interviews at the entry level, with a miniscule or nonexistent negative effect on the integrity and effectiveness of the hiring process.

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  • raymond_j_ritchie

    In my experience I have found telephone interviews farcial; they are simply a device to increase the number of candidates that a committee says it interviewed.  Skype is just a step up in technology. I would advise people never to accept telephone or Skype interviews.  Most Human Resources departments have a rule in place that they have to ask a candidate if they will accept a remote interview.  It is a trap. In most cases if you refuse they are obliged to transport you.  If they will not just tell them that you have lost interest.
    Predictably enough for an american no mention of how you would deal with a candidate from overseas.  The possibility did not cross the author’s mind.  No good overseas candidate would take the offer of a remote interview seriously.  To them it is obviously a farce and they wasted their time applying for the job in the first place.
    Increasingly in Australia academic appointments are by nomination.  Same goes for adminstrators. No advertisement, no tedious review of applications, no search committee, no referee’s reports, logistic costs or interviews and seminars. Streamlines the whole process.  Academic appointments are made by forces beyond the comprehension of mere mortals like myself in the dark recesses of an office of a Head-of-School, Dean or Vice-Chancellor. Whose mate you are determines if you are offered a job. ’Twas ever thus. 
    In a way it is an acknowledgement of reality.  In my opinion over 80% of academic jobs are only advertised to fulfil a legal requirement: once a way is found to get around that the advertisments for jobs largely disappear.  The job was never really open to outsiders anyway.

  • totoro

    I can’t see what is wrong with a Skype interview. Recently we interviewed two North American candidates by Skype here at my Go8 Australian University (where I’m a professor). I think it went very well. And at this university we can’t appoint candidates “by nomination” whatever that means. We advertise, have a search committee, interviews etc. We ask for referee letters after the interview though. We have to detail clearly to HR why each candidate who was rejected was rejected. Of course, some searches are targeting a particular candidate but the search is serious. There are of course appointments to research positions that aren’t advertised – for example if someone gets a Future Fellowship from the ARC.

  • tenured_radical

    I have written about this a couple times, and have twice done Skype interviews at the preliminary stage:  in both cases I became a finalist, and in the most recent I was offered a job, which I accepted.  I enjoyed the experience:  job hunting is a tedious, time-consuming occupation, whether you are a grad student scrambling to finish a diss and run two sections, or whether you are a senior prof with all the attendant responsibilities.  Skype interviews require no investment of time or money other than the kind of thorough preparation you would normally do in order to engage a search committee.  And David is correct:  in both cases, search committees that included students, administrators, faculty and alumnae/i reps cannot be easily assembled in the same place for days at a time. 

    I can’t whose rules or laws *require* a school to transport candidates to a preliminary interview:  for conference interviews in the US, candidates pay their own way, often at great cost.  And in a job market like this one, any opportunity to be employed at what you have trained to do is surely welcome.  But as for the business of interviewing more candidates — I think that’s a good thing.  Am I the only one who has seen twelve candidates in a hotel room and been disappointed by folks who looked great on paper?  Or the only one who had to be talked into making someone a semi-finalist who turned out to be funny, engaging and smart?  Why duke it out over which of three candidates is going to take the last slot when you could give all of them a chance?

  • stephen_said

    I was recently invited to a Skype interview during my job search.  Much to my shock, I didn’t have the equipment.   I am a self-described gadget guru, and was more than embarrassed when I couldn’t immediately accept the interview.  I did a phone interview initially, was invited for a second interview.  I withdrew my application for personal reasons.  But now I am prepared!

    I don’t think that there is anything wrong with a Skype interview, in this market, ANY opportunity that I can have to present my skills and experience it fine by me!  Honestly, I have been honing my Morse Code Telegraphy skills just in case!  .– …. .- - . …- . .-. /  .. - /  - .- -.- . …  yup I’m a nerd! paste it here to see what it says…http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html

  • jculibrarian

    The money saved by such interviews is certainly an incentive to try them.

  • nickfolger

    Last October, we had a Virtual Job Summit, essentially an online job fair for graduate level scientists, using live video chat and video interviews.  Employers were really enthusiastic about it because they were able to meet candidates from many geographies.  Since finding a skills match can be difficult, the geographic extension was valuable.
    Employers had five minute chats to answer questions and determine skills fit, then interviewed at length later to get an assessment of culture fit.  Clearly, employers aren’t going to hire without seeing candidates in person, but it worked well for outreach, greatly boosting their confidence in the people they then invested in for in-person interviews.
    If you’re interested in learning more, you’ll find info on the biocareers.com site.

  • raymond_j_ritchie

    (1)  Critical question.  Did you appoint them?  I bet you did not otherwise you would have proudly said so.  How many academics have you met that got their jobs through a telephone interview?  I have never met one. My case rests. 
    (2) My opinion of telephone interviews is based on my own experience.  None I ever had felt genuine.  Of course, if I had ever got a job through one my opinion would be dfferent.
    (3) I have years and years of experience in an Australian G8 university.  Appointments by nomination are going on.  No ads, search committees, interviews, referees reports or presentations. My G8 university is old enough to have a charter that gives it the right to appoint by nomination – they do not have to advertise or use a competitive process to appoint people. Often it is through part-time and casual positions and contract lectureships being quietly turned into permanent academic positions and ARC post-doc fellows being appointed to permanent positions before the end of their fellowships. The net result is appointment to permanent positions without advertisement or competitive selection or much oversight.  I too thought appointments without advertisement and a competitive selection process were something that happened back in the 19th century. The change has happened quietly in the last 15 years or so.  I was an Australian Research Fellow post-doc in the 1990′s.  At the time the possibilty of being offered a permanent job as a result of holding an ARF never crossed my mind.  I knew that things like that did not happen. However, that is exactly what is happening now.  No-one seems to notice.

  • voltaire75

    Absolutely the way to go. Going to AHA, MLA etc is wasteful, stressful and pointless. It is also immoral to expect broke applicants to pay @ $100 for a small possibility of a job…

  • totoro

    I’ve been on search committees. The Director of the School eventually made the decision. We just offered two candidates jobs based on Skype interviews. OTOH both had previously visited our university 1-2 years ago. Those were the two candidates that I thought were the best in the pool. The truth is that we didn’t interview anyone else. But we certainly reviewed all the other applications. I think we should be doing more of these Skype interviews for each search. I haven’t noticed appointments without advertising in my school but don’t know exactly what happens elsewhere in the university. This might apply to Future Fellow positions as applications explicitly have to state how the FF will be integrated into the university at the end of the FF. Of course, no-one has completed an FF yet. Also the vast majority of our FFs were already working at this university before getting the FF.

  • fsalgadorobles

    I totally agree with this view. It’s now -rather than other times- when we should take the most advantage of the new tech tools. Conversely, such wasteful expenditures …

  • david_evans

    Raymond, you’ve misread or misunderstood my point here, which may be because you don’t know how American hiring practices work.  I am talking about PRELIMINARY interviews only–the kind of interviews we routinely do at a conference, a “neutral site” (i.e., the “airport interview,” generally only for senior administrative positions), or via phone.  For these, using Skype is decidedly better than the phone, and only marginally less effective, if at all, than the conference or airport process.  If it’s true that the effect is nearly equally good, and the cost savings are significant, that changes the equation considerably.

    In fact, contrary to your first point, using Skype in our VPSA search OPENED the pool more to international candidates (though, due to the nature of a student affairs job, it’s not terribly likely that an international candidate would have the qualifications and interest for the job, though an American abroad certainly might), as we take literally days off the time necessary to do the process.

    As an example, I am going to Asia on business in January.  It will take me 24 hours of air travel to get there, and 24 hours to get back, in addition to the travel time to and from the airports, etc.  In addition, due to the 15-hour time difference, to be effective at all in an interview situation I’d need at least a day of downtime prior to the interview itself.

    Most preliminary interviews, even VP-level interviews, are at most an hour or 90 minutes long.  In effect, It would take a absolute minimum of four days for an international candidate from a long distance (Asia, Australia, etc.) to get here for an hour-long interview.  This is a tremendous investment of time and energy, particularly because, if such a candidate were chosen as a finalist, she or he would in a few days have to turn around and do it again, this time spending a day and a half or so on campus.  So we’d be asking a 9-DAY investment to interview for a job, and almost half of that would be for the purpose of a brief preliminary interview.

    We would never hire someone for a senior administrative or tenure-track position without bringing that person for a full interview on campus.  But the preliminary interview is a different story, and we can in fact substantially broaden, rather than narrowing, the pool by doing the preliminary interviews via virtual conferencing.

    I suspect, though, that you were so interested in accusing me and my fellow Americans of provincialism, and in riding your thesis about the injustices and bad practices of the Australian academic market, that you didn’t actually read what I said, but responded, instead, to what you wanted me to have said.

  • vatican

    When I was in Australia, I was interviewed via video conferencing for a job in Canada.  It was quite expensive for both sides.  I wished my current employer considered Skype.  While it is true that some universities interview for the sake of boosting their statistics, I’m a living proof that my current employer was serious in their search.  I’m here in Canada after all.  Too bad a member of the search committee from the University of Houston decided to tell me in an email “It’s expensive to fly you here!”  Skype was around back then.  Bottom line?  Any technology or even a face-to-face interview can potentially be a farce if the committee has a person in mind already.  There are a few that don’t play that bullsh!t game.  

  • rhoccrim

    It seems to me a key is layering and interpretation. Skype interviews are becoming the norm throughout the business world. A middle level manager for a professional baseball team recently told me that his very traditional management team has recently started Skype interviews for staff positions throughout their farm system. The layering is that Skype interviews are but one part of the process. As phone interviews, references, pre screening profiles and skill assessments, etc. give a “picture” of the candidate [pun intended] you create a richer communication medium with Skype interviews allowing you to see reactions. You can gain greater confidence in culling the field to who comes to campus with webcam interviews.
    At issue, however, is the interpretation of the visuals. The camera reveals but it also lies. Video interview presentation capabilities are not something that many seasoned, upper management types have developed. The camera exaggerates movements and exemplifies facial expressions that can easily be misinterpreted. Something as simple as the misplacement of a camera that appears to “violate” personal space dictums or a lighting issue can be read negatively. I coached an interviewee before a Skype interview for a professional job she applied for. The practice session revealed her animated movements in the camera’s field made her appear as if she suffered from an untreated hyperactivity. The savvy communicators on the hiring committee need to use the technology for its positive input without over reacting or over interpreting what is gleaned from the new technology. You don’t want to hire someone who is good on camera but not in person.  

  • rhoccrim

    I have been hired at a University based on a phone interview. Due to some extenuating circumstances at the university, they used an extensive vetting process of background confirmation and references then the phone interview where they were able to clarify information revealed in the vetting process. One of 8 finalists, they hired 2 of us from the pool. Its 2 years and counting and working out well on all sides.  

  • akprof

    My only complaint re multi-year grants is that I think colleges should be required to provide them rather than simply allowed. If a student athlete gets injured and can no longer play, the college should have some obligation to the athlete who gave up his/her health for the college!

  • cbres

    W’s observations are well taken. My only disagreement is the degree to which migration into publics is taking place. Frankly, publics should be eating the lunch of privates. The reason they are not is the lack of public support for ‘public’ higher education.  The high cost of public tuition, a direct result of diminished public support, means that, if you are middle class and you get some $ from a private, you’re coming pretty close to the cost of the public. Why not attend the private, then, if that is what you’d really like to do?

    I attended the conference described in this article, and one thing that struck me (and not in a good way) was the observation that students perhaps should take on more debt for their educations. That makes me afraid, very afraid….

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