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		<title>Comment on Protecting the Humanities From What? by darccity</title>
		<link>http://chronicle.com/blogs/old-new/protecting-the-humanities-from-what/406#comment-17472</link>
		<dc:creator>darccity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This old debate has become at once both superficial and narrow. Instead, the humanities (and the arts) are being pulled in opposite directions by new, stronger pressures from shifting markets and advancing technology. For example, the demise of gatekeeper intermediaries such as book/record stores, libraries, and publishers along with the instant popularity ebook readers and Google scanning library projects has opened up closed, proprietary markets to broad access by writers, literary researchers, and readers. The same forces have transformed the music publication, recording, and listening industry, as well as the visual arts (especially photography and film making). 

The result is universal opportunity to get creative literary and artistic work out to the global population, unbridled by any of the past barriers of publishing and distribution costs, small-minded reviewers cliques, publishers, distributors, or retailer prejudices and conventions, even cultural and political restrictions! Readers and viewers now have access without the censorship of markets, despots, and arts elite to filter and reject. Art, film, and literary criticism is also open to all to voice their analysis and help popularize or launch healthy discussion beyond the confines of narrow literary groups, film schools, and censored letters to the editor.

On the other hand, all this freedom and access comes at a cost. Newpapers, magazines, and publishing houses are disappearing as employment for photographers, short story writers, and critics as the web publishes unpaid writers and unlicensed reproductions go out into the ether. The entire music industry has come crashing down, so that new artists had to return to traveling the concert circuit (often at campuses) to survive by t-shirt merchandize sales. 

What does that do the humanties debate? it used to be arts/humanities vs. social/life/physical sciences. Today, the latter group is dying (except for bio, supported by big pharma money) while creative writing, arts, and music employment at big corporations and dot com startup is bigger than ever! -- Half the movie hits are CGI, and demand is great for music for the huge video gaming industry and ad themes. As we&#039;ve moved from brick and mortar to web retailing and virtual business, new hires have to write these websites and facebook pages.

So, the humanities/arts debate belies the continuing resource allocation issues of campus power politics. Contempt for modern or commercial by protected academics. Lit profs forced to teach composition classes. Adjuncts dominating the meat market of teaching these areas. Music departments draining the resources of colleges, and cross-subsidized by the lucrative and crowded business classes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This old debate has become at once both superficial and narrow. Instead, the humanities (and the arts) are being pulled in opposite directions by new, stronger pressures from shifting markets and advancing technology. For example, the demise of gatekeeper intermediaries such as book/record stores, libraries, and publishers along with the instant popularity ebook readers and Google scanning library projects has opened up closed, proprietary markets to broad access by writers, literary researchers, and readers. The same forces have transformed the music publication, recording, and listening industry, as well as the visual arts (especially photography and film making). </p>
<p>The result is universal opportunity to get creative literary and artistic work out to the global population, unbridled by any of the past barriers of publishing and distribution costs, small-minded reviewers cliques, publishers, distributors, or retailer prejudices and conventions, even cultural and political restrictions! Readers and viewers now have access without the censorship of markets, despots, and arts elite to filter and reject. Art, film, and literary criticism is also open to all to voice their analysis and help popularize or launch healthy discussion beyond the confines of narrow literary groups, film schools, and censored letters to the editor.</p>
<p>On the other hand, all this freedom and access comes at a cost. Newpapers, magazines, and publishing houses are disappearing as employment for photographers, short story writers, and critics as the web publishes unpaid writers and unlicensed reproductions go out into the ether. The entire music industry has come crashing down, so that new artists had to return to traveling the concert circuit (often at campuses) to survive by t-shirt merchandize sales. </p>
<p>What does that do the humanties debate? it used to be arts/humanities vs. social/life/physical sciences. Today, the latter group is dying (except for bio, supported by big pharma money) while creative writing, arts, and music employment at big corporations and dot com startup is bigger than ever! &#8212; Half the movie hits are CGI, and demand is great for music for the huge video gaming industry and ad themes. As we&#8217;ve moved from brick and mortar to web retailing and virtual business, new hires have to write these websites and facebook pages.</p>
<p>So, the humanities/arts debate belies the continuing resource allocation issues of campus power politics. Contempt for modern or commercial by protected academics. Lit profs forced to teach composition classes. Adjuncts dominating the meat market of teaching these areas. Music departments draining the resources of colleges, and cross-subsidized by the lucrative and crowded business classes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Protecting the Humanities From What? by Casey Brienza</title>
		<link>http://chronicle.com/blogs/old-new/protecting-the-humanities-from-what/406#comment-17366</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey Brienza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forget that in England at the undergraduate level disciplines are already isolated pedagogically. Your bachelor&#039;s in mathematics is just that--you don&#039;t also take any US-style &quot;distribution requirement&quot; courses in history or sociology or chemistry. The way English higher ed is now structured, there will be no Classics in universities if there are no undergraduates signing up for three years of nothing but Classics, and you can forget about interdisciplinarity or public outreach. This is the reality Grayling is reacting to with a desire to &quot;protect&quot; the humanities, and it&#039;s a specifically English problem, not an American problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forget that in England at the undergraduate level disciplines are already isolated pedagogically. Your bachelor&#8217;s in mathematics is just that&#8211;you don&#8217;t also take any US-style &#8220;distribution requirement&#8221; courses in history or sociology or chemistry. The way English higher ed is now structured, there will be no Classics in universities if there are no undergraduates signing up for three years of nothing but Classics, and you can forget about interdisciplinarity or public outreach. This is the reality Grayling is reacting to with a desire to &#8220;protect&#8221; the humanities, and it&#8217;s a specifically English problem, not an American problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Truth (and Untruth) of Stereotypes by 22260556</title>
		<link>http://chronicle.com/blogs/old-new/silencing-and-stereotypes/55#comment-16784</link>
		<dc:creator>22260556</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the job of public university president is tough, and perhaps more so now than 20 year ago. But it is tough, in part, because we have become accustomed to choosing and rewarding public sector presidents for behaving like their colleagues in the private sector. We should not be surprised when they fly the coop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the job of public university president is tough, and perhaps more so now than 20 year ago. But it is tough, in part, because we have become accustomed to choosing and rewarding public sector presidents for behaving like their colleagues in the private sector. We should not be surprised when they fly the coop!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Truth (and Untruth) of Stereotypes by daniel_von_flanagan</title>
		<link>http://chronicle.com/blogs/old-new/silencing-and-stereotypes/55#comment-16653</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel_von_flanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The power of university presidents has been considerably eroded by the increasing distance between them and the faculty, who otherwise could stand alongside them (maybe a touch behind) and offer a unified voice.  

A president who marginalizes shared governance, who disparages tenure, or who sits silently by while outsiders disparage the faculty, will find themselves standing alone when they try to advocate for an important change or against devastating cuts.  

Martin seems to have been doing an unusually good job of earning faculty loyalty at UW, and maybe could have pulled her plan off had she waited a few more years.

Clark Kerr generally had the loyalty of his faculty, from whose ranks he rose, and while that didn&#039;t save him from being fired by an extremist governor, it certainly gave him a strong platform from which to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power of university presidents has been considerably eroded by the increasing distance between them and the faculty, who otherwise could stand alongside them (maybe a touch behind) and offer a unified voice.  </p>
<p>A president who marginalizes shared governance, who disparages tenure, or who sits silently by while outsiders disparage the faculty, will find themselves standing alone when they try to advocate for an important change or against devastating cuts.  </p>
<p>Martin seems to have been doing an unusually good job of earning faculty loyalty at UW, and maybe could have pulled her plan off had she waited a few more years.</p>
<p>Clark Kerr generally had the loyalty of his faculty, from whose ranks he rose, and while that didn&#8217;t save him from being fired by an extremist governor, it certainly gave him a strong platform from which to speak.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Attempt to Tame the Humanities by big_giant_head</title>
		<link>http://chronicle.com/blogs/old-new/taming-the-humanities/378#comment-16481</link>
		<dc:creator>big_giant_head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm.  Still waiting for a comment that isn&#039;t depressingly predictable.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm.  Still waiting for a comment that isn&#8217;t depressingly predictable. </p>
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		<title>Comment on An Attempt to Tame the Humanities by betterschool</title>
		<link>http://chronicle.com/blogs/old-new/taming-the-humanities/378#comment-16462</link>
		<dc:creator>betterschool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;. . . the humanities became prominent in the last third of the 20th century precisely because they are inextricably intertwined with the social sciences and because they represent an idea of human life consistent with our best ideas about morality—namely an idea of life as essentially resistant to standardization, objectification, quantification, classification, labeling, and the like. This idea is inconsistent with what markets require. The humanities are a thorn in the side of contemporary capitalism and its main constituencies.&quot;

Immature. False dichotomies. Straw man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;. . . the humanities became prominent in the last third of the 20th century precisely because they are inextricably intertwined with the social sciences and because they represent an idea of human life consistent with our best ideas about morality—namely an idea of life as essentially resistant to standardization, objectification, quantification, classification, labeling, and the like. This idea is inconsistent with what markets require. The humanities are a thorn in the side of contemporary capitalism and its main constituencies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Immature. False dichotomies. Straw man.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Attempt to Tame the Humanities by eberg</title>
		<link>http://chronicle.com/blogs/old-new/taming-the-humanities/378#comment-16397</link>
		<dc:creator>eberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The humanities are a thorn in the side of contemporary capitalism and its main constituencies&quot; is a laughable commentary on the vulgar marxist analysis circulating of late in this traditional harem of disciplines kept first by the aristocracy, then by elite plutocrats, and now being jettisoned by global capitalists as irrelevant.  Stick to your knitting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The humanities are a thorn in the side of contemporary capitalism and its main constituencies&#8221; is a laughable commentary on the vulgar marxist analysis circulating of late in this traditional harem of disciplines kept first by the aristocracy, then by elite plutocrats, and now being jettisoned by global capitalists as irrelevant.  Stick to your knitting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Attempt to Tame the Humanities by kevinoconnell</title>
		<link>http://chronicle.com/blogs/old-new/taming-the-humanities/378#comment-16396</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinoconnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The humanities a thorn in the side of capitalism, indeed? When I go to American universities (I am thinking of Buffalo, which has one of the worst economies in the USA) I am staggered by the concert halls,theatres, exhibition halls, libraries, space, light, heat etc. As my father used to say, Who is paying for it all? Academics need to get out of their narcissistic fantasies about evil, big-daddy capitalism. The above post is ridiculous. And Terry Eagleton has just written a book telling us why Marx was right. Now there&#039;s an authority we can all trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The humanities a thorn in the side of capitalism, indeed? When I go to American universities (I am thinking of Buffalo, which has one of the worst economies in the USA) I am staggered by the concert halls,theatres, exhibition halls, libraries, space, light, heat etc. As my father used to say, Who is paying for it all? Academics need to get out of their narcissistic fantasies about evil, big-daddy capitalism. The above post is ridiculous. And Terry Eagleton has just written a book telling us why Marx was right. Now there&#8217;s an authority we can all trust.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unleashing the Humanities by theblondeassassin</title>
		<link>http://chronicle.com/blogs/old-new/unleashing-the-humanities/390#comment-16207</link>
		<dc:creator>theblondeassassin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting observations.

Perhaps a missing point here is that potential students, especially from outside the UK, might be misled into thinking that they will be awarded a degree by the NCH, when it bears the relation to the actual degree awarder as Kaplan&#039;s LSAT prep does to Harvard Law School. 

If Grayling et al. had the courage of their convictions, they would found an alternative university (or even just a university college) rather than a crammer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting observations.</p>
<p>Perhaps a missing point here is that potential students, especially from outside the UK, might be misled into thinking that they will be awarded a degree by the NCH, when it bears the relation to the actual degree awarder as Kaplan&#8217;s LSAT prep does to Harvard Law School. </p>
<p>If Grayling et al. had the courage of their convictions, they would found an alternative university (or even just a university college) rather than a crammer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unleashing the Humanities by eslombard</title>
		<link>http://chronicle.com/blogs/old-new/unleashing-the-humanities/390#comment-16177</link>
		<dc:creator>eslombard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1940, as a fifteen year old son of an illegal hispanic working man, I was tentatively rejected as an applicant to the University of Pennsylvania. Through family connections, I was tested for admission and accepted, but it was then a men&#039;s college in which one strove for no more than a &quot;gentlemen&#039;s D&quot;. I certainly looked eighteen, but no one spoke to me for the entire year other than my astonishingly wonderful adviser, Dr.Cowan  of the philosophy and law schools. He gave me no limit to his time and thoughtful attention. Each class is somehow memorable even these many years later. 
 It was the Philadelphia weather that one year that drove me off to California where little up through and past the Phd ever seemed to matter  as much as that freshman year. I do believe that the education offered was wasted on those young men who seemed there just to impress each other with their astonishing clothes and family connections.  I&#039;m probably wrong.  I  suspect that the GI Bill went a long way toward democratizing colleges but eliminating the &quot;irrelevant humanities.&quot;I don&#039;t think that the colleges are the only place to teach the humanities.  Something like TV&#039;s Archie Bunker carried a few steps further could go a long way to whetting appetites for the humanities.  I hope that some unemployed academics, through the media,may be driven to try their hands at showing the utility of the humanities in ethical choices or..... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1940, as a fifteen year old son of an illegal hispanic working man, I was tentatively rejected as an applicant to the University of Pennsylvania. Through family connections, I was tested for admission and accepted, but it was then a men&#8217;s college in which one strove for no more than a &#8220;gentlemen&#8217;s D&#8221;. I certainly looked eighteen, but no one spoke to me for the entire year other than my astonishingly wonderful adviser, Dr.Cowan  of the philosophy and law schools. He gave me no limit to his time and thoughtful attention. Each class is somehow memorable even these many years later. <br />
 It was the Philadelphia weather that one year that drove me off to California where little up through and past the Phd ever seemed to matter  as much as that freshman year. I do believe that the education offered was wasted on those young men who seemed there just to impress each other with their astonishing clothes and family connections.  I&#8217;m probably wrong.  I  suspect that the GI Bill went a long way toward democratizing colleges but eliminating the &#8220;irrelevant humanities.&#8221;I don&#8217;t think that the colleges are the only place to teach the humanities.  Something like TV&#8217;s Archie Bunker carried a few steps further could go a long way to whetting appetites for the humanities.  I hope that some unemployed academics, through the media,may be driven to try their hands at showing the utility of the humanities in ethical choices or&#8230;.. </p>
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