Here I sit in Denver, Colorado. Tomorrow, I go home and then to New York City for a meeting the next day. After that, I fly to South Africa for a few weeks. I travel a lot. I’m not complaining. I love travel and being a professor. But, today, as I sat next to a woman on the plane, I thought about all of the crazy things that people have said to me while I’m traveling for work. Here’s how the scenario typically unfolds:
I sit down and get settled. The plane sits on the runway for a long time as all planes do these days. Although I travel constantly, I am terribly afraid. The only way I can get through my fear is to work non-stop once the plane takes off. It’s the time in between sitting down and taking off that is always fascinating. So, as I was saying …I sit down and usually smile at the person next to me. I can’t help it, I’m friendly. We exchange pleasantries. My seat companion then asks if I live in Philadelphia. I say yes. He or she inquires about what I do there. I say I’m a professor at Penn. The next question is what starts the craziness. “Oh, really, what do you teach?” I then tell my seat companion that I do research and teaching related to African Americans in higher education.
As I am a White woman, my seat companion is typically surprised. He or she will ask me “how on earth” I got interested in the topic. I always answer and smile. Sometimes the result is a great conversation in which the two of us exchange information and we both learn something new. I’m an extrovert so engaging in the pre-flight conversation is something I like (plus it takes my mind off the idea of flying through the air in a tin can). But the situation isn’t always pleasant.
On several occasions, I’ve had people ask me highly uninformed or racist things. I’ve been asked the following questions:
“Why is having a Black president empowering to young Black people?” [I proceeded with a short lecture on the impact of same-race role models. In this case, I made sure to ask the White male who his role models were—they were all White men.]
What’s a Black college? Why do we have those? [As I rattled off nearly 20, including some of the most well known, the person didn't recognize any of them. At that point, I gave a quick history lesson, making sure my seat companion was aware that Blacks were summarily excluded from higher education for centuries. I also talked about the contributions that Black colleges have made to society, including being responsible for the education of the Black middle class as we know it.]
Why are African American college graduation rates lower than that of Whites? [As African American college graduation rates are lower than that of Whites, I talked about the racial and socio-economic barriers to achievement. However, I also tried to point out positive examples of high achieving African Americans. I do this to counter the negative views and assumptions about Blacks on the part of the general public.]
Why are young Black men more promiscuous than other men? [I had to settle myself for a minute. After telling the man that his comment was highly offensive to me and racist, I decided the best thing to do was to stop talking to him and instead to write him a letter. I handed him the letter as I got off the plane. You never know if you can change someone's mind or educate them just a bit. I tried.]
These are just a sampling of the questions I am asked. Sometimes when I share these interactions, especially the negative ones, with friends, they say, “Why don’t you just sit in silence?” I could do that, but if I did, I wouldn’t get as many ideas for research (and this blog) nor would I have the opportunity to perhaps, maybe, change someone’s mind or educate them. I have always believed that education takes place everywhere. I know I learn immensely from talking to others and having them challenge my ideas. As I get ready to fly to South Africa, I wonder what’s in store for me….or the person next to me on the plane! It’s a long flight.
My apologies if you have to sit next to me on a plane!



27 Responses to Traveling as a Professor
klblk - July 14, 2010 at 5:24 am
All of the questions you classify as “uninformed or racist”, except the one about promiscuity, sound like ideal research questions.In fact, sociologists, educationalists, and public policy experts seem to spend a lot of time answering them.Maybe it’s the way your seatmates ask them?(I can see that there could be a big difference between a genuine request or asking for information to confirm deep-seated prejudices, which could be conveyed through body language and tone of voice.)
doug1943 - July 14, 2010 at 6:07 am
Could one disagree with Professor Gasman — for instance, could one believe that the barriers to African-American achievement are mainly internal, the wounds self-inflicted, stemming from a self-destructive culture, and that in fact American society has made extraordinary efforts to bring African-Americans into the mainstream, giving them all sorts of racially-based privileges — without being labelled a “racist”?
jairrels - July 14, 2010 at 6:39 am
Professor Gasman, thank you for what you have done to enlighten those who are ignorant. I will also contact you via the “Contact” link on this site.
11242283 - July 14, 2010 at 6:42 am
If your students asked such questions (even the last offensive one) would you stop talking to them? You’re an educator, woman, so educate!! Not everyone in our society (even some people who are well off and can afford to travel) has had the advantage of an education and many people still live segregated lives where their knowledge of “the other” (whoever that may be) is limited. So instead of treating these people with respect and simply as uniformed, you judge them. Wow, that’ll work.I’m not a chatterer on planes, but when I am in a conversation with my seatmates, I try to remember that I likely live in a different world than they do. I’ve found that most people don’t know professors in their daily lives (and don’t know what we do or why they do it. Their “knowledge” is a load of popularly transmitted stereotypes and most of it is not charitable towards the academy). All travel is “foreign” travel if you are willing to admit difference and to think about both about how it might change you and how you might change the world around you. Even if one is right, there is no excuse for self-righteousness. You seem to think that handing someone a letter after a flight telling them how ignorant and racist they are is a better solution than engaging them in conversation and trying to use what you know to help change how they perceive things. I guess being a professor who was a first generation college student, I have more sympathy/empathy for those whose worldview is shaped & sustained differently than mine. One of the things I’ve come to loathe about the academy (and many of my colleagues) over the years is their self-righteousness and the ease with which they lecture to captive undergraduates but then can’t converse in the culture at large because they assume they are right and know best and can’t understand why no one else recognizes how right they are.
22228715 - July 14, 2010 at 7:53 am
You go, Marybeth.With the last unsettling question, I imagine the way in which it was asked (and the way the teacher naturally feels in response) makes a big difference in how you respond. Another commenter sounds like she/he wanted to you to talk with the man and teach him, as you would a student. The student is not optional, but the plane seatmate is. I think what you did was fine. If you, or another teacher was in a place to do it, and if the ‘student’ was open, the encounter might have began with a question about why the person thought that and it explore it. But even under ideal circumstances your reaction as a professor and engaged human being was admirable, by saying how you felt, challenging him, and trying to communicate more of why he was mistaken.
what4 - July 14, 2010 at 8:00 am
Here is the kind of thing that may have motivated the last question. We’ve all read that black women get AIDS at an alarmingly high rate. We’ve recently heard on the news that research shows this is not because of “down low” bisexual behavior on the part of their male partners, as widely believed. That leaves most people to conclude that black women get AIDS at a high rate because a significant group of black men are promiscuous and practice unsafe sex — with the full ability to know that their behavior leads to the suffering and death of alarming numbers of black women. How do you explain why some, so many, black men commit such sexually homicidal acts? And on black women? Perhaps your seatmate was trying to ask something like this but didn’t know how.
bibliochick - July 14, 2010 at 8:20 am
doug1943That you see African American culture as “self destructive” is just a part of your problem. Black people are some of the most creative, life-affirming, obstacle-overcoming people on this earth. Your “observations” are as ridiculous and unfounded as if I were to say that “all Caucasians are racist, paternalistic, and focused on the destruction of anyone who does not look like them.” Your response wreaks of venom. When a person goes to war to serve his or her country, and returns with PTSD, or without the legs they marched in on, if we have a heart and a sense of justice, we will do all we can to help reacclimate them to their families and society. When this doesn’t happen, we all know that the results aren’t pretty. African Americans don’t want what you call “racially-based privileges,” African Americans want equal opportunity and HUMAN rights. Since I have only your response on which to judge you, I’m going to have to assume that you are rather uninformed and insecure. You really should look at recent studies which reveal that a Caucasian man with a prison record and a high school diploma is STILL more likely to get a job than a Black man WITHOUT a prison record and a high school diploma. So, your comments are naive and uninformed; whether or not they are racist I cannot say. Racism and ignorance are very closely related.
harborcoat - July 14, 2010 at 9:22 am
>>Perhaps your seatmate was trying to ask something like this but didn’t know how.
vbor8302 - July 14, 2010 at 9:45 am
How about answering the question of white privilege? How is it that a White woman can receive such privilege in researching African Americans? Where are the privileged African American professors researching Caucasian Americans?
warrennorred - July 14, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Maybe things aren’t as black and white as some on this thread want to believe. Maybe there are serious aspects to black culture that ARE very destructive, and the fact that white culture emulates it in the media of young people is a bad thing. Not every aspect of every culture is positive. When the differences between two cultures become great enough, one can start making generalities and conclude that one culture is “better” than another one. When the victimologists in our liberal elite schools have to go out and actually work for a living, they might learn this the way that most ordinary people do. Nah, probably not then either.
thanatos - July 14, 2010 at 12:30 pm
You sound ridiculously smug and annoying. The passive aggressive ‘letter’ is hilarious. I hope I never have to sit anywhere near you on an airplane.
22286593 - July 14, 2010 at 12:37 pm
As an ethnic studies professor myself, I can relate!It’s too bad that it seems that no African American person has sat next to Professor Gasman. I bet these conversations were a lot more interesting.
dank48 - July 14, 2010 at 2:41 pm
I haven’t seen such a judgmental gaggle of comments since the Hispanic Vegetarians headline. Yikes, the self-righteousness!
bibliochick - July 14, 2010 at 5:14 pm
warrennorredFor crying out loud! How are you defining “black culture”? First, you assume that all people of African descent share a common culture, then you say it’s a shame that “white culture emulates it (black culture) in the media. I can tell by your remarks that you define “black culture” as killing, rap music, doing drugs, and growing up to be a pimp/prostitute. Assuming that you can read, you might be interested to know that “black” is not a culture. There are blacks who are Somalian, blacks who are Guyanese, and blacks who are South African, to name just a few. This is why African blacks do NOT like to be called “African American.” An African and an “African American” are two different “things”! Do we call all white people “European Americans,” instead of Croation, Polish, German, or Scandinavian? So, yes, there are parts of “black culture” that are not so positive, e.g., the problem with obesity. But “blacks” don’t make your children overeat any more than they make your children go into “black” neighborhoods and buy the drugs that everyone knows white people gave to them, for free, to create an addiction and an infinite downward spiral. You know nothing of “black culture.”
jdcarter - July 14, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Marybeth-It’s great you are transparent in your teaching and daily interactions with people. Your comments are interesting. I travel frequently as well and often share that I am doctoral student. When I share that my research explores the experiences of White students on HBCUs campuses, both Black, and White typically respond, “That is so interesting, what have you found?” or they just nod. I am an African American researcher exploring the lives of White students. I wonder why I don’t receive similar reactions as a White researcher exploring the experiences African American students and HBCUs.
glomzx - July 14, 2010 at 10:11 pm
To the question regarding Black male promiscuity, why not reply in the same manner as to ignorance about HBCUs, rather than getting indignantly huffy and dismissive? A fair response would be something like “And why do you say that young Black men are more promiscuous than other races?” (delivered with inquisitiveness rather than righteousness)? That could lead to an interesting conversation concerning facts and statistics, prejudices, cultural perspectives, popular culture’s portrayal of non-Caucasian ethnicities and gender roles, etc. I disagree with 1. klblk–of all the questions you mention, this one seems to be the most ideal for research. (Be nice to those with whom you disagree–there is much to learn.)
rachaelski - July 15, 2010 at 10:52 am
I enjoyed this piece; it was real. We don’t respond perfectly every time we speak, and sometimes we get frustrated when people don’t know or believe what we do. I have a similar response when people as me questions about being a public school teacher–with racist comments or suggestions about the students. Thank you for being completely honest and transparent in your experiences. As a doctoral student, I can imagine having these airplane conversations.
jesuccess - July 15, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Marybeth, just reading about your plane experiences shows that there is still a lot of work to do, when it comes to educating our society about African American and their education. The misinformation and racist comments that you received does not even uncover all of the wrong and negative word of mouth publicity that is being spread about HBCUs and African American education. I wonder if because you are a white woman, that people feel more comfortable in asking you questions and making comments about African Americans and education, than if you were a Black professor?
sunyalib - July 15, 2010 at 11:01 pm
jesuccess-When African Americans write or speak about other African Americans, it’s perceived as militancy, pushing an agenda, just an opinion, or having an ax to grind. When White people write or speak about African Americans, it’s considered “expertise.”
jwr12 - July 18, 2010 at 12:10 pm
A good column. I have to admit, I was expecting a different sort of reflection, based on the title: namely, what are the moral obligations governing faculty travel? And one question I have, increasingly, is: how will our professions respond to an era in which flying is both economically and environmentally unsustainable? I do research in Russian history, so this is not an idle question. Like most people, I go to a few conferences a year; would like to give a talk or two; would like to fly to Russia for research and more conversation; etc. And this does not include my private travel. And then I suspect I fly, actually, even less than many colleagues (this column seems to imply that the writer does an enormous amount of flying, almost as much as a business person). I guess price pressure could, of course, force us to do less, as will the elimination or curtailment of research budgets. And that will handle the environmental problem too, to a degree. But that raises the question of what work arounds will arise to answer this development. I also wonder whether we should, as responsible citizens, begin building ‘carbon offsets’ or some other economies into our research budgets, as part of the travel we nonetheless do. I guess, in brief, it seems to me we are under an increasing obligation to reduce travel; and to reconfigure our financial and professional lives to reduce its impacts. Perhaps a future ‘Faculty Traveler’ will talk about that?
robzimbardo - July 19, 2010 at 9:52 am
> Why are young Black men more promiscuous than other men? [I had to settle myself for a minute. After telling the man that his comment was highly offensive to me and racist [...]“Highly offensive to you and racist”? Oh please, grow a skin. The way faculty of a research university should handle this is not with do-gooders’ indignance but with an attitude of1) are they in fact more promiscuous or not: yes or no?2) if yes, why is that the case? [and note that, if that is the case, then this is a perfectly legitimate question, your branding of which as racist etc. is not your job as a professor]3) if no: “why do you, person in the seat next to, me think this?”
gloriawalker - July 19, 2010 at 8:43 pm
As an African American (Black born in USA) this article can be taken more than one way. I chose to accept that maybe there are some people truly interested in our positions. It is painful to earn degrees from traditional white schools and end up teaching where you are treated less than. I would love to have an interview with the author of this article. There are more African Americans (BLACKS BORN IN USA)with education than people recognize. I have submitted an article to the Chronicle that will share the statistics. I would like to share that if someone comes from any country no matter how dark their skin, they are treated with more respect than African Americans. I have taught in higher education since 1983 and have never received any respect from whites no matter how much I achieved or how hard I worked. My classes were assigned after white adjuncts even though I had tenure with a doctorate degree. My pay was less than all in my department even though I had the time and education from accredited white schools. My student retention was excellent and I did things to help the school with scholarships, recruitment, research etc. RESPECT AND CONSIDERATION DID NOT COME MY WAY.
studentsuccess10 - July 20, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Most likely your are in your position as a result of a diversity objective of your department. It’s amazing how politics has so much to do with all this colour-related scene. I’m glad I missed a chance to sit in on any of your lectures or other chats. Don’t sit next to me please.
sunyalib - July 20, 2010 at 10:43 pm
#23 studentsuccess10 You have hit the nail on the head. Ignorant “colleagues” (racists and possibly you included), simply choose to believe that Blacks of any nationality, when hired, are only hired because they’re “a minority,” thereby satisfying a diversity initiative. Since Blacks can no longer be denied an education, denying the value of the education they receive is the next best thing for people like you. I feel for gloriawalker(#22), the person to whom you gave your rude response. When African Americans express how they feel, the typical response by the “majority” is to ignore that person. Then, if there is a response, it’s a cowardly and thoughtless one like yours. When a white person gets a Ph.D., respect automatically comes with it. Contrarily, African Americans and every other type of Black people have to keep “proving,” over and over again, that they are worthy even of earning the respect that is given so thoughtlessly to others.
goxewu - July 21, 2010 at 11:27 am
Re way back, #7:”Black people are some of the most creative, life-affirming, obstacle-overcoming people on this earth.”Just so I can get an idea of the range, could bibliochick please tell us who “some of the LEAST creative, life-affirming, obstacle-overcoming people on this earth” are? And which people lie in the middle?
shakespeare76 - July 31, 2010 at 11:41 pm
Thanks gloriawalker for your comments. I am a graduate student interested in Higher Education. I will like to get in touch with you. My email is kobod76@hotmail.com Thanks
sparky007 - August 13, 2010 at 2:58 pm
I forget, sometimes, how astonishingly ignorant some people are about African-American history and culture. When I came of age and realized that so many of the people whom I cared for and admired were Black (me being White), it mattered to me what had happened and how. I made it my business to read, study, discuss, etc., about African-Americans. Fact is, AfAm culture is integral in the broader culture and to be ignorant of it is to be ignorant of US culture and one’s self.It’s dispiriting to know how many Americans don’t have the slightest notion about this stuff. I’m always flabbergasted and dismayed.