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More Adult College Students: A Frightening Proposal

June 28, 2011, 10:54 pm

A recent press release by the Center for Law and Social Policy—an organization that develops and advocates for policies at the federal, state, and local levels that improve the lives of low-income people, and which focuses on policies that strengthen families and create pathways to education and work—has me worried. The organization has a laudable mission, but the conclusions of its press release—or rather the omissions from the report—are, I believe, deeply flawed.

The press release, entitled “Not Just Kid Stuff Anymore: The Economic Imperative for More Adults to Complete College,” finds that over the next decade, there will be no national growth in the number of high-school graduates, and some states will see the number of high-school graduates decline by as much as 18 to 20 percent. The report includes state-by-state projections of the number of high-school graduates through 2020. Their recommendation: “The country’s economic competitiveness rests on more people accessing postsecondary education and credentials,” said Patrick Kelly, a senior associate at NCHEMS and co-author of the report. “And with the aging of our population and decline in number of recent high-school graduates entering college and the workforce, we need to make sure even more adults and nontraditional students have the skills they need to fill tomorrow’s jobs.”

It’s a simple demographic argument: Fewer high-school graduates mean fewer traditional college students. But the causes of my anxiety are threefold. First, the notion that all Americans are entitled to a college education, regardless of their level of preparation, the degree of their intellectual curiosity, and, most basically, their ability to  afford increasing tuitions, is increasingly unreasonable. It rests on an uncritically accepted assumption, an odd amalgam of American exceptionalism and the delusion that the United States doesn’t have a markedly distinct class system.

Just because there will be fewer traditional-aged college students in the coming years, must we make up the shortfall by populating colleges with adult students? Must everyone go to college in order for us to compete in the global economy? India and China certainly don’t take that position.

Second, the report calls for adult college students to finish their degrees. Across the board, the U.S. college-graduation rate currently stands at about 50 percent, according to The New York Times. Among other wealthy nations, only Italy has a lower graduation rate. That statistic is appalling enough, but further details are even worse: just 20 percent of first-time students at public community colleges get a degree or certificate within three years.

Non-traditional students, however one defines them (with a partner, with children, with full-time jobs), can, I imagine, only face even tougher odds. So the exhortation that we send more adults to college rings hollow, since it’s so clear that very few of them will actually complete a degree program and therefore put themselves in a position for a good job in the new global economy. And many of those who don’t complete their degrees will find themselves in the worst possible economic crunch—they’ll essentially be high-school graduates with unaffordable amounts of debt racked up while they were in college.

Finally (a hobbyhorse of mine you may have come to see regularly), adult higher education feeds the for-profit machine. I’m hardly against people in the 25 and up age category going to college—it’s admirable, and in some cases even inspiring. The fact is, though, that traditional colleges and universities aren’t set up to deal with an influx of non-traditonal students, but for-profit higher-education companies are, and always have been. From the moment that Apollo Group (parent company of the University of Phoenix) went public in 1994, for-profit colleges have made higher education extremely convenient (course offerings year round, a vast online-learning infrastructure). These features are ideally suited to adult students, most of whom are likely working full-time and really need that convenience. But the convenience comes at a high price. I’ve outlined many of the drawbacks of the for-profit higher education industry. And I’m not alone. Senator Tom Harkin’s committee and the GAO (in the wake of its investigation) have expressed the deep skepticism that I feel.

So I find myself in opposition to the CLASP report. It’s fundamental assumptions are, in my view, ill-considered if not simply wrong. The shortfall of traditional students in the near future seems to be an incontrovertible fact. What we do about it is another issue.

 

 

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  • http://twitter.com/Scurin_EDU Nancy Scuri

    I have to respectfully disagree.  As a former “non-trad” and a current instructor of non-traditional students, the answer is not to discourage this population, but give them support (access to childcare, on-line course options as part of a traditional degree program, academic support aimed at adult learners, etc) to successfully complete their studies. 

    These people have the unenviable task of reinventing themselves during a very trying time.  Writing them off simply because it would be inconvenient for traditional colleges and universities that are “not set up” to address the needs of this population is unconscionable, and makes those who would turn these students away no better than the for-profit schools who would prey upon them.

  • http://twitter.com/NicolaMPalumbo Nicola M. Palumbo

    One thing I would point out is that since many non-traditional students study part-time, it can take them considerably longer to earn their degrees.  They may also skip a semester or two due to various life events.  Just because a student does not complete a degree in a traditional period of time, that does not necessarily imply that they never finish it.  Perhaps the metrics need to be adjusted for this population.

  • profdave8

    As an Associate Dean of Continuing Education at a private college back in the 80′s and 90′s, I assure you that a non-profit college can serve non-traditional students if they are willing to cut loose from the day-time mold. I fail to understand why for-profits can do this and public and private academic institutions cannot.  Is it the regulatory environment?  Or the mindset?  A lack of a customer service mentality? 

    Sure, it is desperately hard for non-trad students to get an education – but it is also hard for traditional students to have the maturity to stick it out.  Anyone who has had both kinds of students in the same class knows which ones will get the A’s and B’s! 

  • http://twitter.com/chattyprof Ellen Bremen

    I completely agree with commenter Nancy Scuri. I went to college as a traditional student, had a parent die during my term, and then stayed out for six years. By the time I returned, although I had a “good job” in medical transcription, I didn’t realize that I hated it until suddenly I fell into teaching it at my community college–and then I realized that I wanted to go back to college and become a prof (but not in transcription, in comm studies).

    Now, after 13 years of teaching, I choose to teach largely online, hybrid, and in the evening because I adore my non-traditional population. Those folks move heaven and earth and drag hell behind them to go back to school, to recareer, to improve their lives and the lives of their families. In fact, many of these students have middle school and high school kids, and I believe that the non-trads’ college attendance can have an unintended benefit for the declining traditional population: After all, some of those younger students will be inspired by their own parents, aunts, uncles, even grandparents!

    Ellen Bremen, M.A. @chattyprof  http://chattyprof.blogspot.com

  • mester

    Perhaps some traditional 4 year colleges are not set up to serve the adult population but many fine regionally accredited state and private colleges are.  I point to my own fine institution, Thomas Edison State College, which is part of the New Jersey state system, but there are other similar colleges as well with an adult student mission mandate.  Our students are inspiring.

    Admittedly, American still struggles under a class system but education is certainly still a major way out—it was to my grandparents as immigrants from Germany and Italy back at the turn of the century, who urged all their children to get a good education (and were aided in this by the GI BIll after World War II), and it remains so today. To deny education to people just because they are not 17-22 and have the luxury of a 4 or 5 year stay at a traditional college does a disservice to them and to ourselves. 

  • dld18

    In my experience, adult students add more to the classroom learning community.  Many make different sorts of sacrifices to attend/return to college including time away from family, work (in part or whole), etc.  These students have real-life experiences to share with classmates and are often best able to promote an appropriate classroom environment.

  • dvacchi

    Nancy, you’re right, but I think Frank got off track from his initial thread of his own story (a problem for very passionate people).  I get the sense that he was meaning to take this story in the direction that we need to encourage more traditional aged students to go to college and to ensure their success.
      We’re fighting the problem of more people entering the retirement years (Boomers) than their kids are adding to the workforce.  People just have less kids than they used to.  When I was growing up the average family had 2.4 kids, now it is 2.1 (don’t ask me how to have a percentage of a kid!).  That is a huge difference in a population with over 300 million people.
      In the end, there’s nothing new in this article, just another reminder of 3 things:
    1. College costs too much
    2. There are people who can/should be going to college but are not for a whole host of reasons.
    3.  There are people who can/are getting into college who should not.

    #1 and #3 account for a lot of the 50% non completion rate quoted in the article (I think if Frank checks his data he will find it is not quite that bad, but it is still shockingly low)

  • dvacchi

    Part time students are not counted in legitimate completion rates for 4 year degree programs.  Full time students only…

  • grward

    I think many of the commenters are being unfair to Prof. Donoghue. He’s not saying that non-traditional students (like Nancy Scuri and Ellen Bremen, who were clearly highly motivated and industrious students) should be discouraged from seeking higher ed. He’s pointing out that encouraging a majority of adults, or even a large minority, to become students of higher ed is misguided. I can’t speak for community colleges but I know that my university accepts students that simply weren’t warned of the type of work required for academic success. They can’t do the work required before class, and so they come to class unprepared, which makes them fall behind, which means that they can’t prepare for the next class, etc. etc. And who can blame them: the recruiting literature is rife with photos of small classes in engaged discussion with smiling lecturers (message: you’ll learn all the interesting stuff one-on-one during class time), and small groups of happy attractive (always attractive) students sitting on a lawn chatting with each other (message: studying is a group social activity and, boy, does the time fly when you study).

    In my jurisdiction, word has gone out that almost every high school grad can “do” higher ed if they wish. The result has been bloated classes partly filled with young people who “thought they’d give it a try” without necessarily realizing what a commitment higher ed requires (countless times I’ve tried to explain to a student that mastery of a particular course should take a minimum of 5-7 hours of work a week outside of class per course and heard them reply “but I don’t have that kind of time to spare” as if I’ve deceived them, as if they were promised a “quick” way of becoming educated and I’m using an old bait-and-switch to force them to do it the long way). Extending the message of universality to all adults is likely to lead to similar problems complicated immensely by the greater demands on adults’ time.

  • jsalmons

    Wow! This article is so full of generalizations and stereotypes, it is curious to me why the Chronicle would allow it. Would you make such sweeping statements about students based on race, gender or other characteristics?  “Innovations”? Hardly! Maybe you need a column called “Retro.”

    I love teaching adult learners, who more often than not bring life experience and motivation to learn into the classroom. They are able to connect new concepts to real applications and have a sense of real problems that spur scholarly inquiry.

    In my humble opinion, we need to be open to the needs of society and welcome people who want to learn. I’d also like to see an openness to the fact that higher education is changing as well– given the economy, technology and other factors.

  • 11142568

    There is a small gap in Dr. Donoghue’s historical awareness.   In the 1960′s, 1970′s and part of the 1980′s, many colleges reached out to, amongst others, non-traditional aged  students.  Partly this was in response to a sense of mission.  Partly, it was a matter of economics since many of these students qualified for Pell grants. That was certainly true of the college where I have worked for 50 years.  It is true that many of these students were less well prepared to do college work.  About half of students in that group needed remedial English and/or mathematics to begin with.   We found through experience that if people were reading at about 10th grade level or higher, they were able to be successful.  If they read below that level, they tended not to make the grade.   So eventually, we did not admit students with reading levels below the 10th grade.  And yes, they had many challenges, family, work, money.   And attrition rates were high.   But for the 30+% who were successful, it opened doors for them both to a richer intellectual, spiritual life (that is still the primary  benefit of baccaleaureate education) and to a better rung  in the middle class.   I remember with particular fondness a program we had for New York City teacher assistants.  They had support from their union.  Many of these students did earn bachelor degrees and a few went on to masters’ and doctoral degrees.   In the 1970′s we also had a lot of nurses who had become nurses through attending hospital based nursing schools.   We granted them 70 credits for their prior nursing instruction and practice, and they did degrees either in psychology or sociology.   My memory is that this era came to an end in the early 1990′ s when the rules for Pell became more restrictive, and when college costs increased so that Pell did not cover as large a proportion of tuition.   We still have tuition around the national average of $21,000 (08-09), but Pell covers a much smaller fraction of this.   It is not just the for-profits who served the non-traditional students.   Although I think some of the for-profits do a decent job, I think many of them are a disgrace.   I would welcome non-profit colleges getting back into this mission.  But given all the crazies in the Republican party who don’t believe in better levels of taxation, it isn’t going to happen anytime soon.  Peter Baker

  • vvjohnson

    Traditional students also often require remedial English and Math.  The idea that “everyone can/should go to college” if they wish is espoused in the high schools as well.  Only the experience of being in college can convince some otherwise.  College is challenging.  It should be.  That’s what gives it value.  Those institutions that are the most challenging, whether to get in or to get out (finish), in general provide the most valuable degrees.  In my experience teaching in higher ed, the most significant difference between traditional and non-traditional students is that the non-traditional students are more serious and work harder.  They are therefore more successful than the traditional student with comparable potential.

  • jenice26

    Donaghue’s article misses the point completely. CLASP’s
    report does not suggest that everyone go to a traditional four-year college. Read
    it yourself: http://www.clasp.org/admin/site/publications/files/NotKidStuffAnymoreAdultStudentProfile-1.pdf

    The major point is that there is a real skills deficit, a
    point on which experts widely agree. This is why the administration has an
    initiative that focuses on community colleges. The fact is that demand for
    college-educated workers will rise significantly while demand for those with
    only a high school education or less will stay flat or drop in most states.
    Further, by 2018, nearly two-thirds of the nation’s jobs will require some
    postsecondary education or training. The nation’s workers need to gain skills
    so they can qualify for 21st Century jobs. In some cases, this means
    a four-year degree. In other cases, this means a two-year degree from a
    community college. In other cases, this means some kind of postsecondary
    credential or certification. Surely Donaghue didn’t mean to dismiss the value
    of more adults getting education and training beyond a high school degree. Given
    the disproportionately higher rate of unemployment among the least educated
    workers, and given that many jobs lost in the recent recession aren’t coming
    back, we should try to ensure more workers gain the skills they need to land
    the jobs that are being created.

  • racmonti

    How about some open-mindedness about the supposedly evil for-profits? My 26-yo old niece just graduated from one, with an associate degree in veterinary technology. Several months before she graduated, she obtained a full-time job with benefits, which she did while fulfilling a required externship. I’ve seen her textbooks and believe me, this was no degree mill.  And her employers are constantly amazed at her skills and knowledge–head and shoulders above her non-degreed colleagues.

  • racmonti

    “Prey upon them?” How about opening your mind a bit? For-profits are doing well because they are filling a need the traditional schools won’t, especially for adult students with family and/or job responsibilities.

  • wilkenslibrary

    Thank you jenice 26!  Finally someone has pointed out that community colleges have not only accepted but embraced older students for years.   They come to us for many reasons ranging from a desire for job training to a desire for intellectual stimulation, and we serve them well.

    Betsy Smith/Adjunct Professor of ESL/Cape Cod Community College

  • elle82

    Of course there are people who succeed with for-profit educations, and it sounds like your niece is one of them–congratulations to her on her recent graduation and job! But many people are hard on the for-profits because they believe their impact at the aggregate level is a problem.

  • davidmc13

    While the tone of the article comes across as patronizing, I think the arguments made are worthwhile, especially in regards to the high number of adult students who become victims of the “for-profit” college scam and end up with high levels of debt and no degree to show for it. I think it will be important for us to come up with accredited, effective training programs for jobs in specific fields without putting students through the rigamorale of general education requirements that are not conducive to success for less-prepared students.

  • lizziec

    Even those who graduate often end up with a piece of paper that was quite expensive, and yet worthless to them on the job market.  Thisa is not good, any way you look at it because these students are not even coming away as educated individuals, capable of higher order thinking and having been exposed to big ideas, like students in non-profits who are required to take the general education distribution are when in college. 

    I would be very interested in hearing the numbers from the major corporate for-profits comparing the alleged wondrous outcomes with the numbers of students who either drop out, or graduate are are not able to land any better position than before their “degree”.  This would settle the debate for a lot of us, although I suspect that the data would fortify many of our suspicions.

    All businesses have critics, but if the for-profit model is so empowering and uplifting to students who are “ignored” by the non-profits, then show me the numbers proving that more GOOD than harm is being done by the large, corporate for-profit “education” model.

  • fdonoghue

    Good point–I couldn’t fit the whole historical context into the post, but your final comment is the most relevant.  If the Republicans eliminate Pell grants, or severely curtail the program, then adult students will only be able to go to college by borrowing, a horrible Ideaa.  That trend is going to mushroom into a problem as big as the subprime mortgage crisis.

  • fdonoghue

    dvacchi,
      You’re absolutely right about your final point.  I don’t know how to solve problem # 2 (a better, and national public relations campaign about college—as opposed to the misleading ads by for profits).  As for #3, for-profits are most guilty of bringing in this population–see lizziec’s comments on  my previous posts–and she’s taught at fps.  #1 is an enormous problem..  Rich Vedder has done a lot to explain this phenomenon–administrative bloat, luxurious student unions, atheletic centers with the obligatory climbing walls (instead of  a monetary focus on instruction).  Combine that with decreased federal and state funding on higher ed, and the problem could be insurmountable.   Thanks for a great comment.

  • mlbhu90

    I have to take exception to the author’s faulty assumption and conclusion in the passage: “Non-traditional students, however one defines them (with a partner, with
    children, with full-time jobs), can, I imagine, only face even tougher
    odds. So the exhortation that we send more adults to college rings
    hollow, since it’s so clear that very few of them will actually complete
    a degree program and therefore put themselves in a position for a good
    job in the new global economy.” Actually, the opposite is true. I have taught at both a four-year university and community college and actual prefer teaching at the community college level because of the nontraditional students, who have always been among my best students. They are generally more motivated and better at time management than most of the “traditional” students coming straight out of high school. To discourage them from enrollment because you presume they will struggle more is prejudicial at best and more harmful to higher education in the long run. While you are correct that most colleges are set up to cater to traditional students, perhaps it is the colleges that need to adjust to the growing nontraditional demographic. 

  • katisumas

    In my experience (including my own personal one), older students do much better than traditional age students. 

    The example  you give, a single working mother undertaking a college education, and I would add after working for her GED, will be much more  serious and driven than  an 18 year old who is attending college because it is expected of her.

    Actually,  I  suspect we would get a much higher graduation rate if we forced prospective students to wait at least a full 5 years before attempting higher education. 

  • katisumas

    Good grief!  18 years old students with high school diplomas often don’t have a tenth grade reading level.  Have you seen how many need to attend remedial writing courses when starting college?

    I get a whif of classism in the article as well as in some of the comments.

  • vchoitz

    The numbers and trends are undeniable: skill demands are going up and numbers of high school graduates are going down. Some group of people will need to increase their skill levels in order to meet the skills demands of the future. The alternative is to not fill those jobs and face economic stagnation and decline. Unless we plan to import millions of skilled workers – which is problematic on many levels – we will need to turn to our native population of adult workers to meet those skill demands. If Mr. Donoghue has other ideas, I’m very interested in hearing them. Our report did not at all imply that all adult workers need or are entitled to a college education; we clearly shared the data on the demand for postsecondary education, which includes jobs requiring credentials ranging from one- and two-year certificates to associate degrees to four-year degrees. In fact, about half of the jobs in this country now and in the future require skills and credentials of more than high school but less than a four-year degree. We’re also not saying that it’ll be easy to skill-up millions of adult students or that we’ll be able to do it with the current higher education programs, structures, financing and incentives. Higher education has evolved in the past to serve national needs, including a massive expansion to absorb millions of GI’s coming back from World War II and seeking educational credentials and the profusion of community colleges in the 1960’s and 1970’s. There is no reason to believe that it cannot evolve to meet the current needs of today’s students and today’s educational demands. In fact, it already is evolving. In 2009-2010, 36 percent of all undergraduates were adults age 25 or older, 47 percent were independent from their parents, 40 percent were enrolled in public two-year colleges, and 46 percent were enrolled part-time. These students are on your campus, some colleges are leading the way, but more colleges need to change what they’re doing to better serve them. It behooves all of us to accept this reality and get with the times. It’s a national economic imperative that we cannot ignore just because we cannot think outside the box of traditional students and traditional programs.
     

  • potential1

    Thrilled to see this post and this discussion as this phenomena is part of my research agenda!  The questions are clear: How do we create and sustain an effective and competitive workforce? How do we shift the paradigm of many first-generation college families to promote and support their children to be college grads? What should/does the next iteration of the ‘univeristy’ look like?  And as demographics change, how is higher education responsive – on the institutional level as well as in the classroom?  These are poiwerful questions I am happy to see you all grappling with.  The answers lie in the experience of many adult learners who have found no other options but in the for-profit institutions, within the heart of every higher ed institution who chooses to figure out how to create structures and paths that are responsive to adult learners and lastly with each instructor who learns to harness the incredible experience and persistance that these learners bring.  Let’s keep this dialogue going – it’s our hope for moving forward and quite frankly for our own survival – keeping students in our seats.

  • linzfern

    Education is important…both traditional and non-traditional. What I think is that people need to be informed early on about business and interaction with people (salesmanship-worldwide since we use the internet now). We need to have leaders that implement mentorship, apprencticeship programs for those whom may not have had parents that went to college. We have to push bigger and creative thinking, ethical practices, moral guidance. We have to stop glamourizing the hollywood lifestyle, rich and famous lifestyle because when people figure out they most likely won’t live like that, then they feel like failures, when in fact they should learn to push hard to achieve their goals in order to make life better for them no matter what income level they are in. In these internet days that we live in, the access to good information is out there, we just need to get the word out on where to find it.

  • big_giant_head

    Oddly, that’s the same kind of argument I hear from pay-day loan companies in my town.

  • jdsahr

    Has anyone suggested the Community Colleges do *not* well serve non-traditional students?  I know that I am quite grateful for that function.  

    However, some in the CC community have been quite clear about their disdain for high school students who did take hard classes, did study, did do well, and are completely prepared to immerse themselves in university study.

    Part of the dynamic here is to pit the traditional students against the non-traditional students, and the public universities against the community colleges, by tightening their State support [*].In this dynamic, there is one clear loser: the students, taken as a whole, traditional and otherwise.

    [*] I would agree that Universities should do some *deep* soul-searching about cost.

  • marka

    I question the implicit assumptions made leading to statements like “nearly two-thirds of the nation’s jobs will require some postsecondary education or training. The nation’s workers need to gain skills so they can qualify for 21st Century jobs.”

    Having advanced degrees earned in the 70s, and having taken & taught ‘postsecondary’ classes, my spouse & I challenge that conclusion.   

    Having hired, and fired, non-graduates & ‘postsecondary’ employees, and having reviewed many studies on this, I think our real problem is failure to hold high enough standards for 12th grade graduation.  We don’t need more folks ‘socially promoted’ out of 12th grade with a piece of paper, we need our high schools to actually have graduates functioning at a ’12th grade’ level.  We don’t need them to go to ‘postsecondary’ institutions to learn what they should have gotten already – we need to hold them up to higher standards in the 1st place.

    The =only= folks who benefit from our failure to truly educate and train our young people in high school are … those adults employed by ‘educational’ institutions: administrators, teachers, and staff, who can keep ‘make work’ jobs passing the ‘trash’ on to ‘higher’ levels of ‘education.’

    In our fields (law & medicine, as well as education), we need people who actually know their stuff, not people who have been ‘promoted’ thru institutions that apparently are more concerned with handing out ‘certificates’ than actually teaching or evaluating academic or thinking skills.

    We have plenty of smart people without credentials who are better qualified for employment than many ‘certified’ graduates.  We don’t need degreed people to continue to provide the service jobs that simply must be done locally, and can’t be offshored (easily) – waitrons, taxi drivers, sanitation workers, plumbers, electricians, construction workers, cooks, dishwashers, roofers, yard carers, and so on.  They can – and should – get a decent education in high school.

    Employers may claim that they ‘need’ higher credentialed individuals – but 3 practical concerns undercut that. 1st – employers use credentials as a weeding tool:  we get so many applications, it is expedient to cut the # we review using an ‘objective’ metric that even a low-level clerk can use.  2d – we see so many unqualified applicants who are already ‘credentialed’, that we simply up the ante:  while someone with a 12th grade reading level might work well, the hi-school credential doesn’t actually measure that – we have to ‘require’ a bachelor’s degree to raise our chances of getting someone proficient @ a 12th-grade level.  3d – we can get away with this because there are far more candidates with higher credentials than there are jobs.

    If the job market expands, you’ll see people with skills trump credentials where possible – this is particularly true for various computer/technology skills.

  • ellenhunt

    Clearly, hemlock is in order.  ;-)

  • teprusa

    While some have touched upon this, I would like to add that community colleges have been complaining for years that only counting full-time students and expecting students to finish within three years works against community colleges and non-traditional students. The majority of my community college students work full-time jobs or more and are often also caring for family members, so taking a full load is almost impossible, and if they don’t have financial aid may also not be financially possible. Also many of our students transfer before they get a degree, so they also aren’t counted as completing their studies. The accrediting agencies need to catch up with the times.

  • jdsahr

    While some have touched upon this, I would like to add that public baccalaureates have been complaining for years that their perceived hostility to community college transfer students is a figment of imagination, and works against both traditional and nontraditional students.  The majority of my baccalaureate students work at least part time, care for family members, and take a full course load, as often as not in a foreign language (English).  They take out loans, support their families, defer starting families, to obtain precious degrees from my university.  The public and the legislature needs to catch up with the times.

  • cjinstructor

    I agree. Having a blend of all ages, experience, economics and education in the classroom is supportive to all students. Many of my students have school age children, and are exceptional examples to them. In fact, this is one of the reasons they give for their motivation and GPA’s!
    They are mentors to the younger students, and they have no problem keeping them in line.
    They also give the 18 year old, live with parents and maybe have a part-time job for fun money students NO excuses for lack of studying.

  • surpassingreach

    I find it interesting that Higher Ed institutions raging from public to private are always trying to market themselves as “embracing diversity” yet are so limited in their understanding of diversity. Having students of different ages is an asset to the college and to the diversity of ideas and real life experiences within the student body. As some of you have already mentioned, older students in some ways become unofficial mentors to younger students and usually are more dedicated students as well. Having students of differing abilities, cultural backgrounds, SES, gender, age (and much more but for the sake of not having a laundry list, I’ll stop at age) allows students to learn in a multiplicity of ways. Older students traditionally have a wealth of REAL life experiences that can help balance the immature/naive life expectations of  young adult students.