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Guido Sarducci and the Purpose of Higher Education

March 14, 2011, 10:38 am

The way college courses generally work is that a teacher presents a group of students with some subject matter, then attempts through tests and papers to determine how well the students have mastered the subject matter. Those judgments are summarized in a letter grade. A list of those subject matters and grades constitutes the transcript that describes what the student has learned and what the student’s performance was overall.

The students and the teacher are focused on the subject matter, and the implied view is that the learning in college is captured in the exercises that inform those grades. The limitations of this “subject matter recall” model of higher education are hilariously captured in Don Novello’s comic performance on Saturday Night Live as Father Guido Sarducci, who marketed the “Five Minute University”: http://youtu.be/kO8x8eoU3L4

Sometimes, in some subjects, the mastery of specific subject matter is precisely what is at stake. Students aiming to be engineers will make pretty direct use of the principles they learn in a course in mechanics, for example. Students focused on other particular occupational qualifications, whether in certificate, associate-degree, or bachelors’-degree programs, will probably make direct use of some of the subjects they are taught.

However, the learning produced in large parts of a college education is—or at least should be—different from that, and the role of tests and grades is correspondingly different.

As economics professors, we have always understood that little of what students learned in advanced economics courses—neither the factual content nor the specific analytical techniques—was ever going to come up in their later lives (unless fate intervened and made them economists). We suspect that the same is true of other advanced courses, whether in mathematics or literature or psychology.

The real point of these courses is mainly to induce people to think hard about complex problems, to learn to sustain attention to challenging material, to learn how a disciplined body of thought can come to make sense, and so on. The point of the tests is less to certify mastery of the details of advanced topics in a subject like labor economics, but, first, to motivate students to do this hard work and, second, to gauge how well they are able to function at this level.

It’s a revealing fact that all this works better if both the teacher and the students view the subject matter as intrinsically important, rather than as an elaborate set of thinking exercises. Making the latter point explicit would tend to drain both the teacher’s and the students’ energy. But really what is at stake in these circumstances is not grasping the niceties of, say, the Hicks and the Slutsky derivations of the income and substitution effects in demand analysis, but rather the exercise and cultivation of a variety of capacities and dispositions. The desired outcomes for many course are improved thinking about complex problems, increased capacity for sustained attention to challenging (and sometimes intrinsically uninteresting) material, careful use of evidence, empathetic understanding of others’ perspectives, resilience in the face of failure, and so on.

The college transcript on this interpretation is less about indexing the mastery of a variety of specific subject matters and more about accumulating evidence on the successful exercise of these capacities and dispositions in the context of a variety of specific subjects.

No doubt this perspective finds its most natural home in traditional liberal education, but we do not think it should be limited to this context. Whether one thinks of business education, or computer programming, or problem-solving trades like plumbing or auto mechanics, the qualities we are discussing matter. We also think that nearly any worthwhile subject can be taught in a way that draws on and fosters these qualities.

If this perspective captures a good deal of what goes on (or should go on) in college, there are some important implications.

  1. Our point supports the claim that active learning is in many cases a more effective educational practice than passive transmission of information.
  2. The growing emphasis on short-term vocational success as a criterion for judging the worth of education may unintentionally undermine pursuit of these more subtle learning goals, with bad effects on the long run value of education, even in narrowly economic terms.
  3. When “competency-based learning” replaces seat time and course grades as an index of educational qualifications, we’d better make sure that we are measuring these more subtle competences education aims to produce, and not only measures focused on highly specific skills and content.
  4. The growing awareness that skills taught in traditional education, including college education, can be rendered obsolete by advances in computing (see writings by David Autor and by Frank Levy and Dick Murnane) argues not for less investment in education, but for education more geared to the kind of learning sketched here, which is harder for computers to duplicate.
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  • lowenstm

    I think this is very well taken and articulately put. If you agree with their argument you also have a reason why grades in individual courses don’t help very much with assessment of learning outcomes: the outcomes that matter the most aren’t measured within any one course.

  • rpm13

    We need more policy analysts and foundation executives with this kind of intelligence. I might add that another educational purpose served by thinking hard about complex problems is the cognitive reorganization that takes place in the process regardless of whether particular information is retained. This is how worldviews and conceptions of fields of knowledge are constructed. I would not be able to pass a final examination from Professor Schmandt’s world history class, but I developed a framework for thinking about history and the world from all the work needed to pass the tests back then. These cognitive structures are highly individualistic, based as they are on individual experience, knowledge, and interests as well as the course material at hand. But serious consideration of the course material is a sine qua non. That’s why achieving course level objectives matters a lot.

  • sand6432

    Learning how to reason, how to marshal evidence to support an argument, how to identify fallacies, how to solve problems using a variety of analytical tools, how to differentiate between correlation and causation, how to write persuasively and elegantly, how to understand allusions and metaphors, etc., are skills that can be obtained in any number of courses and are useful not only in specific careers but in life generally. This is the heart of a liberal education and needs to be defended, I agree, against those who are tempted to equate learning with Immediately applicable job skills. Often the latter are better taught within a company than in a university anyway.—Sandy Thatcher

  • drj50

    This essay points the way to a more realistic means of assessing the true value of a college education. Graduates need to know enough of the specifics of economics (or chemistry, or many other disciplines — at least as non-majors) to be critical readers of news resports and, more generally, have good critical thinking skills, but do not need to recall many of the particulars that we ask them to master in a traditional class.

    The problem, however, is that this is not the way most courses are taught. We teach them as though all students are building a foundation of knowledge and skills to serve them in more advanced courses in the particular discipline. To take this proposal seriously, we would need to radically revise the way many courses are taught. We would have to identify plainly which facts, concepts and skills are “keepers” and which are primarily exercises in general skills development — and grade accordingly. It would be hard work, that would require faculty with 20-40 years invested emotionally in the details of their disciplines, to fall in love with general learning and make these critical distinctions. But it would pay huge dividends in efficiency and effective learning.

    I would love to see this, but I wonder if/when anything remotely like this will ever happen in this country.

  • hngjohnson

    I know there are other arguable perspectives, but all the perspective given here (including comments) argue for a wholesale rethinking of the organization and pedagogy of Higher Ed.
    * “all this works better if both the teacher and the students view the subject matter as intrinsically important” I’m sorry, the mind is more than sufficiently subtle to recognize this ruse. The deception is not working.
    * lowenstm says; “. . .the outcomes that matter the most aren’t measured within any one course”. Than organizing ed through courses of study will not accidentally get students to the goal you seek.
    * In regards #3 above; measurement, to be truly useful, is linked to pedagogy. Measuring more subtle competences means pedagogical change.
    And allow me to place one more idea into the mix. Learning needs in the future, by all indication, will be much different from the past. A 4 year course of study make no sense in a world of constant disruption. Students need to be mentored into lifelong networked communities of learning that are embedded in people everyday lives. I still think this is something much different when compared to current practice.

  • hngjohnson

    I know there are other arguable perspectives, but all the perspective given here (including comments) argue for a wholesale rethinking of the organization and pedagogy of Higher Ed.
    * “all this works better if both the teacher and the students view the subject matter as intrinsically important” I’m sorry, the mind is more than sufficiently subtle to recognize this ruse. The deception is not working.
    * lowenstm says; “. . .the outcomes that matter the most aren’t measured within any one course”. Than organizing ed through courses of study will not accidentally get students to the goal you seek.
    * In regards #3 above; measurement, to be truly useful, is linked to pedagogy. Measuring more subtle competences means pedagogical change.
    And allow me to place one more idea into the mix. Learning needs in the future, by all indication, will be much different from the past. A 4 year course of study make no sense in a world of constant disruption. Students need to be mentored into lifelong networked communities of learning that are embedded in people everyday lives. I still think this is something much different when compared to current practice.

  • electronicmuse

    Thank you, thank you, thank you! Right on, and beautifully written.

    As I tell my students: “If you don’t want to be replaced by a computer-don’t act like a computer!”

    I also tell them that during my 25 years of so “in the field” prior to becoming a college prof, nobody every asked “could I see your transcript?” Or, “what was your dissertation topic about?” Out there, it’s about solving problems-not flaunting some “content.” In fact, most theses and dissertations molder in the stacks (or, at least they used to!) The value of any degree, including “advanced” degrees, is the changes they facilitate in the person doing the work.

    And, thanks for taking me back to Father Guido Sarducci. How could any of us forget “35, 35, 35, after a while it starts to add up!” Cheers!

  • richardtaborgreene

    Among other things college taught me:
    1) I could read the hardest books of science, math, literature, poetry, anthropology, psych research that had ever been written (not with ease but with effort—that is, I need not avoid or fear them)
    2) the faculty of my college were systematically neurotic, distorting truth in analytic, mathematic, individualist ways they got while growing up in American culture–if I trusted them and their ways and “learned” those ways in college, I would NOT be able to protect Western culture and the USA from disasters and decline they themselves with their own ways and blindnesses to alternative ways, generated.
    3) immense powerful Nobel level skills that I could not hope to match, were built up by years of consistent professional practice—as I observed in faculty around me—THEREFORE I could myself build up immense historic levels of skill the same way—practice reflection practice reflection practice feedback practice reflection
    4) knowledge and people were hopelessly splintered by current faculty, corporations, fields of knowledge, publishings, and career paths, SO MUCH SO that ALL major problems were beyond any one produced as grad of any department of any university—universities were in a deep sense THE problem of my era and civilization
    5) that the hardest subjects were not nuclear physics, general relativity, quantum gravity—but modern English poetry, multi-national standards-making and policy-making, and similar more soft social psychologic areas
    6) that the smartest people at my college were not faculty and the smartest contents were not in courses but rather in research centers run daily by grad students where hour by hour immense skills and reckless experiments abounded, got observed and learned
    7) that one could learn a lot even when subjected to absolutely horrible teaching by faculty seldom aware of the origin and purport of what they taught and champing to get back to their labs
    8) that one book, if and when it fit one life’s deepest yearnings and mysteries, concerns, could open ten thousand doors and entire new universes of feeling, thought, and action–and one was not ever going to be able to guess ahead of time what book and topic that door opener would be.
    9) that somehow universities has lost their educating mission entirely and were merely informing students—faculty seldom responsible for their actual impact on society around them, believing some invisible hand would take 10,000 over priced journals articles and somehow magically make that into a solution to societal problems one could never get tenure by actually addressing.
    10) that sex was wasted on young men and women and like tennis it was going to take giant amounts of practice to enjoy it and get good at it, mostly by shutting down programs in us put there by our genes that made the whole thing too automatic, speedy, and a flight from feeling rather than to it.
    11) that one had better watch out for one armed female teachers with unbelievably wide and deep reading and a commitment to poking holes in student thinking and expression—a well read person could instantly take all my supposed thought and accomplishment and reduce it to the trash it was, leaving me whole new frontiers of growth to tackle—humiliation was always going to be the door to growth, less painful doors simply did not exist
    12) that any field that was new, growing rapidly, or technical meant the faculty were two generations out of date and only grad students could prepare you for current stuff, except in those few BEST colleges where the new stuff was being actively developed on campus by faculty having zero tolerance for, or interest in “teaching”—one could learn a lot without being taught anything from some people
    13) that books were better than all lectures, save a few british ones
    14) that nearly every thought and feeling that I thought was personal and my own, had been generated in millions by giant forces and changes in society that I was unaware of—my me-ness my most personal feelings were not mine and not really personal—highly disappointing discovery as I remember it
    15) AND 50 other things 150 highly educated people told me in some research put into my book Are You Educated? 64 Capabilities of Highly Educated People

  • willamette

    Freire. “Pedagogy of the Oppressed”.

  • zbautista

     I agree about students retention during Summer course, but is too much to cover in a little time, many students got frustration. I taught Summer course for three yrs.

             Zoila Bautista

  • mlhodge

    Student loans DO cover summer school classes; that’s how I paid for my first summer of graduate school in 2009.

  • amsterdamup

    I fully agree with Esposito’s reaction: where does the money come from in an Open Access environment? To our opinion, the guiding principles for scholarly communication should be: 1. research and the dissemination of results belong together. 2. Funders’ OA policies should include OA publishing and 3. publishers should develop OA publishing as a service to the scholarly community. This last principle is already evolving in the STM journals/articles world, where an author can chose for OA after his/her publication is accepted through peer-review, if he/she pays for it up front. This ‘authors pay system’ used in STM for the publication of journals and articles should also be introduced in the HSS, where the monograph is the most common way of disseminating the results of the research. Special attention is recommended for Open Access for scholarly monographs, in particular in relation to the Humanities and Social Sciences. There is a clear need for Open Access publishing and funding models for monographs to bridge the gap with OA articles, but also because the traditional business model for books is losing its sustainability. Finally, not the author, but the funders of research should take care of the costs for the Open Access edition as the dissemination of research should be seen as part of the research, but also because they are already taking care of most of the costs of scientific publications through the library budgets. This is the way our major scientific funding organisation NWO looks at it since 2009, and I believe it is also the way the EU is moving. Amsterdam University Press/ Saskia C.J. de Vries
    Finally, not the author, but the funders of research should take care of the costs for the Open Access edition as the dissemination of research should be seen as part of the research, but also because they are already taking care of most of the costs of scientific publications through the library budgets. This is the way our major scientific funding organisation NWO looks at it since 2009, and I believe it is also the way the EU is moving. Amsterdam University Press/ Saskia C.J. de Vries
     

  • solidagojuncea

    Federal mining laws will probably allow Mr. Loomis to lease mineral rights under the sculpture and wipe it out in his search for more coal.  

  • dmoser5

    FULL DISCLOSURE (Sort of . . .) — I have a close affiliation with Pronghorn University (I say that tongue-in-cheek because there are more pronghorn antelopes in the area than students, total. Yes, we see them in town on the way to the local Big Box Store).

    First up, I have serious concerns about the leap of faith that is being made to connect the mountain pine bark beetle infestation that is inexorably devastating the surrounding forests here with the coal industry that admittedly does provide much to the economy of the state. Quite simply, either Chris Drury has been misquoted or misinformed (he could have come to my office; we spent the last year helping with a project by one of the University’s Bristol Scholar’s—he did a photo-reportage, with audio interviews, of the people bearing the impact of the pine beetle infestation and nary a lump of coal insight).
    Second, I am deeply saddened to see the rush to judgement on the part of the Wyoming Mining Association in their condemnation of this project. @chronicle-3d4cf264a045538cf252e719e74b68f5:disqus has nailed it quite well in saying that this is an opportunity for debate and education, all the way around (especially if I am right about #1 above!).This campus desperately needs such opportunities for open debate; we have learned nothing from the debacle here last year if we do not take this one. 

    Or perhaps Peter Garrett was right after all and “And nothing’s as precious, as a hole in the ground . . .”

  • thedoctorisin

    The problem I see here is that the sculpture is permanent and therefore the anti-mining statement will endure for generations.  Even if this could be turned into a “learning moment,” the Wyoming Mining Association can make its defense but one time.

  • lexalexander

    I like the idea of constructive debate around the issue and, to the extent that the university community and the taxpayers of Wyoming care what I think, I strongly encourage that debate.

    That said, if Mr. Loomis truly understood academic freedom, he wouldn’t have brought up his association’s financial support of the university in raising his objections, and it is disingenuous for anyone to claim otherwise.

  • thedoctorisin

    I don’t buy your premise regarding academic freedom.  It does not mean you can ride roughshod over opposing viewpoints.  It appears that Chris Drury was made aware of several facts regarding the pine beetle epidemic and chose to ignore them.  Academic freedom requires intellectual honesty.

  • lexalexander

    I agree, and I did not intend to imply that Drury was blameless or that his positions should go unchallenged if there is a factual basis for challenging them. I’m simply saying that by bringing financial support into the conversation, Mr. Loomis weakened his own position.

  • thedoctorisin

    Understood.

  • dank48

    Heaven knows I’m not up to speed on this controversy, but the numbers seem odd. “. . . students and faculty members had told
    him that the beetles had destroyed more than 100 million acres of forest
    in Wyoming and other mountain states. . . .” Okay, “and other mountain states” is an out, but is this accurate, or even credible?

    Wyoming itself has a total area of 97,818 square miles. One hundred million acres is 156,250 square miles. Perhaps the beetles really have destroyed mountain-state forest equal in area to 1.6 Wyomings. But could someone point me toward the evidence that “100 million acres” is actually anything more than a SWAG?

     

  • dpn33

    Hey, OldNassau’67, even Princeton University Athletics has its own website, and they are hardly a sports powerhouse. I’m not quite sure why that last sentence is even there. It’s irrelevant.

    This whole article comes off as an extended ad for Mr. Kantrowitz’s website.

  • texasmusic

    I think the purpose of the article was to say there are many kinds of scholarships available (yes, even the kind where someone contributes to your tuition when you submit a winning duct-tape prom dress design).  This is typical of the kinds of articles you see about this time of year, when high school seniors are starting to get serious about college.  It encourages people to get creative and not to assume they’re out of luck before they even begin.

  • texasmusic

    And on that note – I was really hoping for some good news with number 6: that scholarships are not just for high school seniors.  Evidently they’re just for high school seniors and younger, and maybe some college freshmen.  I was really hoping to hear about a “starting-over” scholarship for the non-traditional adult students. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000421945279 Fe Fo

    Scholarship are not only merit based, but having a good GPA and academic background is a must to getting in school and paying for it. However, you don’t have to be a 3.0-4.0 student to receive a scholarship. I received several scholarships during my undergraduate and kept a 2.5. to maintain them. I think some people also over think academics, if you are a well rounded student; involved in school activities, sports and so on, it also make you look like a better candidate because you have to posse structure to be involved with school activities. Some of these people comments below are broken down by what the article said, however, I still agree with most of their tips and don’t think their is one straight narrow path to getting and keeping a scholarship And I have worked in financial aid and scholarship for seven years.

  • hhopf

    oldnassau67, not all athletic scholarships go to football players, and the list is correct that most athletes do not get a “full ride.”   At my institution, many of the women’s athletic scholarships go unfilled, because the athletes choose to accept instead an academic scholarship (from the institution as well) that covers more of their educational costs.  And our athletes (as is the norm) as a group have a higher GPA than that of the overall student body.

  • darccity

    These are not the important myths about scholarships. The real myth is that outside scholarship money is even an appreciable fraction of all financial assistance! It definitely is not! Parents need to stop pressuring their teens to spend any time searching out and applying for scholarships. It prevents them from achieving the grades and doing the extracurric activities that will earn them the real aid to the places they want to get into.

    The primary source of financial aid is when the college itself offers you a price reduction in its full-price sticker tuition rate. Increasingly, the basis for such aid is student quality or particular needs of the college to balance its incoming class. My daughter was once offered a huge amount to attend Sarah Lawrence — a college noted for low financial aid offers — because they wanted her badly (and it wasn’t because of her class standing). On the other hand, needs based aid is declining rapidly.

    Now the other big myth is that student loans is financial aid. Can you imagine a slimy used car dealer telling you he’ll get you financial aid, and it turns out to be a loan?! Only colleges can get away with such double speak.

  • mkant69

    The popularity of top ten lists may have more to do with alliteration (both top and ten begin with the letter T) and ten being a small number than anything else. Top twelve, top two, and top three are popular for similar reasons. People do not necessarily pad the list with additional items to get to ten. They might use a different number and just omit the word “top”. In this particular case a 20-minute time limit for the talk required cutting the number of myths to 10.