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Politicizing the Classroom, Part Two

February 23, 2011, 6:45 am

In Part One of this post, I began a review of the new report from the American Association of University Professors (AAUP) titled Ensuring Academic Freedom in Politically Controversial Academic Personnel Decisions. The report is, in effect, a mask for the effort to politicize the university even further. The “controversies” it would protect the university from arise not, as the AAUP would have it, mostly from the “intrusion” of outside parties, but from the attempt to use the university as a platform for partisan political advocacy. In this second and concluding part, I examine some of the ways in which the AAUP attempts to build a firewall around faculty members who abuse their privileges while ignoring others whose academic freedom is genuinely at risk.

All Judgments Welcome, No Questions Asked

At times the authors of the report seem so eager to keep the door of advocacy wide open that they issue declarations that they surely have not thought through. Here, for instance, their zeal not to preclude a faculty member’s right to express an opinion takes the form of an absolute:

Neither the expression nor the attempted avoidance of value judgments can or should in itself provide a reasonable ground for assessing the professional conduct and fitness of a faculty member. (p. 30)

Really? Are we to suppose that the AAUP would be happy to apply this principle to those whose “value judgments” are in character racist, anti-Semitic, or misogynist and who express these views openly in class? Or that the AAUP would be happy to defend the open expression in class at a secular university of a religious believer whose “value judgments” include the damnation of non-believers?  In the real world some “value judgments” comport poorly with “fitness” of a faculty member to teach. The problem in this case is that the AAUP is thinking only of certain issues. It names them in the sentence preceding the declaration of principle: “controversial views of homosexuality, global warming, or government policies for combating terrorism.”

These are indeed matters on which contentious “value judgments” are made, and it is interesting to see how not long ago AAUP president Cary Nelson equivocated about John Yoo’s academic rights in a case involving “government policies for combating terrorism.” Yoo is the University of California Berkley law professor who, while on leave served in Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel under President George W. Bush, where he wrote justifications for holding enemy combatants and used “enhanced interrogation techniques” (e.g. waterboarding) on them.  When he returned to Berkley, protesters accused him of war crimes and demanded that he be fired. Nelson came out in favor of “due process” for Yoo, as opposed to summary dismissal. But Nelson’s article certainly doesn’t read like a robust defense of Yoo’s right to express his own value judgments. Of course, Nelson points out that he is writing for himself and not articulating the AAUP’s official position.

The AAUP’s principle is thus both overstated and underapplied. We should welcome some forms of reticence on the part of the faculty members. Not all their value judgments belong on display in the classroom. I would think, for example, that Professor Bradley E. Schaefer, the Louisiana State University astronomer I mentioned at the beginning of yesterday’s article, might improve his “fitness” for teaching about the solar system by leaving at home his disdain for students who disagree with him about global warming. But in a case where a faculty member is targeted for his professional views, as was Yoo for his position with the Department of Justice and Howell for his teaching on Catholic doctrine at the University of Illinois, we really do need to protect that right. These are cases where an individual expressed statements germane to the subject, fully within his professional competence, and in an appropriate manner. I hope that when the AAUP gets around to finalizing this draft, they will amend this passage in the direction of a more careful set of distinctions.

The Bombast Protection Clause

One more example of how the AAUP giveth with one hand and taketh away with the other: The AAUP’s commendable principle that, “All academic personnel decisions, including new appointments and renewals of appointments, should rest on considerations that demonstrably pertain to the effective performance of the academic’s professional responsibilities,” stands or falls on what “considerations…demonstrably pertain” to the effective performance of a teacher. I would have thought that the capacity of an individual to communicate lucidly, audibly, and in a manner reasonably matched to the intellectual level and needs of the students would fall within the scope of what demonstrably pertains. But not according to the AAUP. Instead, it announces:

consideration of the manner of expression is rarely appropriate to an assessment of academic fitness. (p. 39)

I would say the exact contrary:  consideration of the manner of expression is always appropriate to an assessment of academic fitness. We need teachers who can modulate, who don’t rant, drone, mumble, scream, gratuitously cuss, or any of a hundred other ways in which “manner of expression” can go wrong. Why is the AAUP attempting to cut off such stuff from standards of “effective performance”? Because it fears that the extreme language favored by some of the politicized faculty members it has set out to defend could prove to be a vulnerability:

…objections to the expression of controversial ideas may be put forward as objections to the manner of expression. But constraints on robust expression are even less appropriate outside the campus, where a speaker necessarily competes with others who enjoy the protection of the First Amendment and where rhetorical intensity may seem to some appropriate to the fundamental political and moral controversies at issue. Moreover, today, when the sound‐bite is more readily heard than the more thoughtful dissertation and intemperate speech is commonplace, strong language may be more necessary to those seeking a hearing for controversial views. Consequently, consideration of the manner of expression is rarely appropriate to an assessment of academic fitness. (p. 39)

Context makes clear that the AAUP isn’t thinking about “manner of expression” in broad terms, but only about the “rhetorical intensity” that comes out of the mouths of those who are intent on bringing their politics to class. Once again, the AAUP stands ready to sacrifice academic standards to its greater goal of ensuring the maximum possible protection of those intent on politicizing the university.

The Bug Off Principle

Fairly late in the report, the AAUP gets around to the work of proposing new procedures to guard academic freedom from those who may be inclined to “pressure” the university. Some of the procedures look reasonable to me but one stands out as anything but reasonable. The AAUP declares that:

Complaints regarding alleged classroom statements forwarded by outside agencies or individuals should generally be ruled out of consideration in initiating or conducting personnel reviews. (p. 52)

This exclusion extends to “student political groups.” Apparently the sole source of actionable complaints in the AAUP’s view is “students actually enrolled in the course or courses in which the alleged inappropriate conduct occurred.” In other words, the only credentialed source of a complaint is from someone maximally vulnerable to retaliation and maximally open to intimidation.

I can understand why bullies might like this provision, but it is a bit harder to see why the AAUP would like it. After all, it is the AAUP’s business to pursue complaints about matters in which AAUP officials were not present as witnesses. Apparently it is well within the standards of academic fairness to investigate, report on, and censure institutions of higher education from a certain distance, but not faculty members. Alternatively, it is appropriate when the AAUP does it, but not when some other organization such as the National Association of Scholars does it.

Let me propose an alternative principle:  criticisms have to be weighed on their merits no matter how they arise and who brings them to light. They may be regarded lightly if brought by a source known for frivolous complaints or advancing tendentious claims. But a complaint put forward in sober spirit and with the aid of evidence should never be rejected out of hand merely because the complainant is absent from the scene. Parents are often the first to hear of egregious misconduct in the classroom. Sometimes desperate students turn to organizations such as FIRE, ACTA, the Alliance Defense Fund, and the NAS seeking both help and protection against reprisals.  Their fear of reprisal often enough proves warranted.  The AAUP, to its shame, would like to deny them this recourse by establishing a principle that colleges and universities should “generally” rule “out of consideration” what any of us have to say.

When I speak of the AAUP’s attempt to build a firewall around faculty members who abuse their privileges as teachers, this is what I mean.

A Thread

I want to conclude on a softer note. In several places the authors of the report acknowledge the possibility of controversy arising “from within [the university] as well as from without” (p. 7) and even conjure the image of faculty members wrongfully allowing their political views to interfere with their professional judgment:

For example, the denial of promotion or tenure by liberal academics to a conservative academic, or the reverse, if based on disagreement with the applicant’s views rather than on a scholarly evaluation of the applicant’s professional competence and performance, constitutes political intrusion regardless of whether persons outside the academic community were involved. (p. 7)

This is a tenuous thread in the report as a whole but that it is present at all is cause for some cheer.  The AAUP at one time played an immensely constructive role in building up the institutional culture of American higher education.  For several decades, however, it has drifted into becoming more of a special interest lobby and an evangelist for the academic left. Nothing that it does now can be taken at face value as a good faith effort to uphold academic principles. It is always calculating, and calculating in a manner that strongly suggests a partisan agenda. Still, buried somewhere in its memory and collective experience, the original spirit of the AAUP survives. We can catch glimpses of it here and there as when the authors allow:

Scholarly objectivity and integrity do require academic honesty and competence in gathering, selecting, and presenting data, as well as in framing arguments. They do not preclude, but commonly include, diverse interpretations, arguments, and conclusions. (p. 29)

This of course comes across as a reluctant concession, rather than a forceful affirmation, but let’s take what we can get.

Reprise

At the beginning of Part One I mentioned a handful of lesser known figures who in recent years have found themselves at the center of public controversies of the sort that the AAUP is concerned about.  How did the AAUP itself do in the cases of Kenneth Howell, Mark Moyar, Martin Gaskell, Bradley E. Schaefer, and Julea Ward?

Howell, the adjunct professor who taught a course on Catholicism at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign until he was dismissed last year—the AAUP called for his reinstatement but on the mistaken assumption that he had used his classroom to “advocate” his personal views.  In fact, Howell was just teaching his subject.

Moyar, the historian turned down for appointments at Duke and the University of Iowa seemingly because of his (Republican) political views—AAUP has been silent, though as KC Johnson has pointed out, Cary Nelson has offered an all-purpose excuse for de-selecting conservatives who might be considered a “poisonous” addition to an academic department.

Gaskell, the astronomer denied appointment at the University of Kentucky on the suspicion he was “potentially evangelical”—the AAUP was silent throughout the affair.

Schaefer, the “Blood will be on your hands” astronomer at Louisiana State University caught on video hectoring students about global warming—Cary Nelson defended Schaefer and spoke of the “right” of professors “to express their emotions honestly” in class.

Julea Ward, the graduate student expelled from Eastern Michigan University for refusing to abandon her religious belief that homosexual conduct is immoral—as far as I can tell, the AAUP has said nothing. Of course, Ward was not a faculty member, so whatever rights she may have fall under a different AAUP policy—one that doesn’t get very strenuous use.

No doubt the AAUP could explain its decisions on all these matters. For the moment, however, I think those who want to give serious consideration to the AAUP’s views on how to deal with “politically controversial” speech by faculty members ought to weigh not just what it says, but what the AAUP does and doesn’t do.

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  • chedie

    “Nelson points out that he is writing for himself and not articulating the AAUP’s official position.
    The AAUP’s principle is thus both overstated and underapplied” Really? You cannot use an unofficial statement by Nelson to condemn a principle of the AAUP. The arguments in this post are sloppy, lazy, and poorly evidenced throughout.

  • nordicexpat

    I know my previous post was filled with misspellings, dank48, but I have no idea what the basis of your other claims are. I’ll admit right upfront that I am conflicted about some — if not most — of these cases. However, Wood’s presentation of Howell, Schaefer, and Ward is overtly partisan. I wonder if you are familiar with the cases, or are only relying on Wood’s presentation of them. Here’s the email Howell sent to the class:

    http://www.news-gazette.com/news/religion/2010-07-09/e-mail-prompted-complaint-over-ui-religion-class-instructor.html

    There’s two separate issues here. One is whether the university acted properly, the other is whether Howell is simply presenting Catholic teaching on the subject. I think it takes a pretty generous reading to say that Howell is simply presenting Catholic teaching here (I will admit that such a reading is possible, but you really have to give Howell the benefit of the doubt). I feel Howell stepped over the line here, especially if you consider that this occurred at a public university. Can you please explain how that means that I do not know the difference betwen “freedom and license” or “what classrooms are like in the first place?

    Now for the Schaefer. Here is a link to the whole video:

    http://vimeo.com/16649140

    Again, we are missing context here (I’m not entirely sure how he formed the two groups, and I don’t know whether he does this every class or whether this was a one-off). But it is obvious that he is not simply berating “conservatives” for their position on global warning. Go especially to 3.38 on the video to hear what he says. The classroom looks like a zoo to me, and I’m not advocating this teaching method, but, please, explain to me exactly why Howell’s email is an example of academic freedom and Schaefer’s lecture is an abuse of his position as professor.

    Finally, Ward. Again, a troubling case. But it is factually incorrect to say that Ward was expelled for refusing to abandon her religious belief about homosexuality. She was expelled because she refused to counsel gay and lesbians on issues related to their sexual orientation or their relationships. This concerns her behavior, not her beliefs. Whether the two are so intricately intertwined in this instance that they are the same is a fair question. But it is a bit simplistic simply to say that her rights have been trampled upon because she refuses to treat a certain group of students.

    If Wood wants to say that liberals have double standards, that’s one thing. I also think the speech codes on American campuses are ridiculous. But I don’t see how someone who so mispresents the cases he discusses, who links to right-wing editorials more times than not, can then claim to be objective and non-partisan. This is advocacy, pure and simple. Whether you think is a necessary counterweight to AAUP is a fair question, but I don’t see a difference in kind between the two organizations.

  • corwinamber

    I think at one point you say that the defense of rhetorical intensity is meant to apply to the classroom, yet the position you cite seems to be that faculty may need to use strong language off campus to get a hearing for a controversial view. I would think that means that assessment of faculty performance in the classroom (where more modulated expression is likely to be used) should not be negatively judged because of strong language used outside the classroom.
    Further, what about expressions of the legality or morality of executive, legislative or judicial actions expressed by those of us who teach about constitutional law or history, or political science, or other fields where expertise includes the ability to make a judgment. The Supreme Court’s jurisprudence is of late (or always) hardly neutral or impartial, and lately sides with business over labor, business over individual speech rights, etc. and it is not excessive to point this reality out.

  • laurencejgillis

    Well, look at it from the other end of the telescope, from the applicant’s position.

    Speaking for myself (and for no one else), lemme say that I hate alerting and re-alerting my references each time I apply somewhere new. (Letting them know is a matter of courtesy, of course).

    I mean, East Overshoe U is probably not gonna call anyway, precisely because they received 10,000 responses to their ad for a part-time adjunct position, for which they’re ultimately gonna offer minimum wage, after which most applicants are gonna decline (including me).

    And, besides, I have to explain to my refs each time why I am actually applying to some small school in one of those big square states out beyond Pennsylvania. I am diminshed thereby, in the eyes of my ref.

    So, why not make it clear in the initial posting that references may be required (and might even be contacted), but that this happy event will be sometime later in the process?

  • janeer1

    One of the most ridiculous, inefficient, and outmoded, practices in academia is requesting reference letters with applications, seconded only by contacting references at early stages. It is important to learn how to recruit effectively–how to evaluate candidates independently and exercise one’s own judgment on hiring–and also infinitely more respectful of both candidates and the people who provide references. Most institutions I have been associated with do not know how to recruit and retain good people. Choose your pool based on a set of clear criteria grounded in specific, pragmatic objectives; screen; interview; second-interview; check the references of the ONE candidate you want to make an offer to, or two if you are not sure. Do not even ask for a reference list before that stage–it provides a perverse influence on hiring process judgment.

  • tappat

    I sense that actually knowing a set of desirable people for an appointment and pursuing them is not an option? Knowing the best people for an appointment, or the best people mentoring new people in the field, I thought, was the biggest reason we wanted faculty and not bureaucrats in charge of the recruitment of new faculty.

  • raymond_j_ritchie

    No Manoflamancha: what you are saying is not a good idea. It degenerates far too easily into a mates club. You end up with an entire department who all work on lizards or come from one laboratory in Cambridge. My experience in Australia has been that at least 75% of academic jobs are only advertised to fulfil the legal requirement and that shortlisting and interviews by Search Committees are largely sham transparency. Candidate (A) is who they want and (B), (C), (D) and (E) are only distractors. They have no intention of seriously considering “outsiders or interlopers”. That knowledge really cheers you up when spending hours on a job application that you have no legal way of finding out if it is a real opportunity or not.
    In recent years exactly what you advocate has become common in Australia. Those older universities (mainly members of the club called the Group-of-Eight) who have charters which allow it have taken up appointing people by nomination without ever advertising a position. They are appointed by the Dean and Head of School. A new faculty member just parachutes in.
    An autocratic nomination system cuts through all the red tape but one or two people are just as capable of making a lousy appointment as a Search Committee.

  • ae_ward

    I agree with the poster below (laurencejgillis)- as a job seeker it is embarrassing asking established – and generally very busy – profs who have agreed to write letters of reference to do so for each job. In the UK references are only requested by the University and only after an initial weeding out of candidates has been done. This also gives the writer the opportunity to make sure that each letter is specific to the job and the candidate’s suitability.
    It also seems a waste of paper to me – when jobs seek mailed copies of paper documents why do they request a 20pg writing sample, lors and various other materials from everyone at the initial stage.

  • calimorrison

    Eric, the link to the rundown of changes in rankings methodology prompts for a log-in and if you hit cancel says ‘access denied.’  Any ideas or do you have another link?

  • http://dougbennettblog.wordpress.com Doug Bennett

    Maybe the low response rate has something to do with the thorough critique that NACAC carried through of USNews about a year ago.  Maybe, just maybe, the counselors were paying attention o one another’s low regard for the ranking enterprise.

  • http://twitter.com/AdmitGuru84 Angela

    Go Barry! I couldn’t agree with you more!

  • manoflamancha

    I’m sure some in Australia hope so!

  • manoflamancha

    In due course, all will go back to some fundamentals: (1)you must enroll great students to be a great university over time, (2) you must always recruit and be on the look out for promising faculty, and have the bucks to recruit them (3) you must have a university leader who knows the world. I suspect some boards could learn these lessons from their wasteful semi-pro football programs, and apply that to building a great university. The problem is, only 5% of the world can really profit from exposure to great ideas at a great university, and that really grates. 

  • raymond_j_ritchie

    Dear thnscm – You are only half-correct.  In this article you are reading an american’s understanding of what a european is saying to them.  That can be somewhat different to what a european is actually saying.  Ian Wilhelm is american and US educated.  Ellen Hazelkorn is a graduate of Uni of Wisconsin and got her PhD from the Uni of Kent in the UK and is Irish.  I admit I did not notice Hazelkorn’s address.  I was careless: I flicked the page down to the text and read the usual irritating things. Nevertheless, she appears to know nothing first-hand about Australian universities. For example, she makes no mention of the Group-of-Eight which is the self-appointed group of universities in Australia that imagine themselves to be world class.  No-one familiar with both the USA & Australia would think a sensible comparison could be made of G8 Australian universities with Kansas.  Considering her cosmopolitan background she should have been able to make more meaningful comparisons.  If Ian had known something about Australian universities (or Australia for that matter) he should have drawn her to make more meaningful comparisons.  Perhaps she was taking the mickey out of her interviewer. Europeans often play games with american interviewers.  Australians often do it to.  When I was in the US I avoided it because I already knew that americans would never understand having their leg pulled.

  • roytyrell

    I recently returned from a year of living and working at an executive level (Engineering) in Australia… prepare yourself… Australia is a Third World Country. There is not a university in Australia that compares with *any* large american state university in terms of quality or breadth of education. The idea that Australia is an education mecca, a bastion of higher learning, is pure marketing bunk. The graduates we’ve hired from australia are supremely confident, arrogant nitwits. Chemical Engineers that have never seen a process diagram, Electrical Engineers that have never seen a PNID let alone design one.. Civil Engineers that produce plans that would make a tech school drop-out blush with embarrasment in the US…

    Australia’s much vaunted education system is a highly finance, slick marketing myth. For pure abilities and basic engineering education – I’d take a Kansas grad any day of the week and twice on Sunday over ANY Aussies grad from ANY of their “prestigious” universities – and I’m from Florida.

    The Aussie grads do tend to be very well spoken, but beyond that they totally useless.

    Think I’m being harsh? The proof is in the pudding so to speak, What gets designed and built in Australia would not pass inspection in even the poorest rural county of America.

  • dale1

    Sorry, Chronicle writers. Higher education websites aren’t high on Santorum’s reading list. You could write that most people don’t want the government in their bedrooms, torturing prisoners, or invading foreign countries overtly or covertly, and he wouldn’t want to hear that either.

  • 11191774

    Gosh.  Logic and Reason. Science and Research, even.  I’m sure once this argument is presented to him, he’ll see the error of his ways.

  • mrichbe1

    Good sex is good for what ails you! If the sex is good in a relationship, it only accounts for 2% of the relationship, but if the sex is bad, it accounts for 98% of the relationship. i think I would rather have the 2%.

  • jamesrovira

    Higher Ed. websites aren’t high on the list of Santorum supporters either.  Unfortunate.

  • nybound

    “… an active sex life is a strong predictor of your mental health and a lesser, but still significant, predictor of physical health.” – Well I’m screwed (figuratively, not literally).

  • Geoz32

    The most basic knowledge is elusive to Mr. Santorum.

  • baatap

    Why doesn’t Bartlett cite the research that indicates that non-contracepting couples have MORE sex than do contracepting couples?  That doesn’t really support the thesis, now, does it . . .  Logic, research, science, and reason–those things provide the “facts” that cut both ways.

  • phebebrown

    Presumably, when a couple stops using contraception, it’s because they are ready to conceive. Hardly surprising that they are eager to get on with it.

  • Reythia

    Does that include couples that stop contraception because they believe they are past menopause or otherwise infertile?

    If you want this comment of yours to be respected, maybe YOU ought to cite this research you’re suggesting?

  • Socratease2

    If Rick Santorum knows how the world, sex, or whatever “is supposed to be” then I also believe a pig, a goat or a turtle have the same level of insight. Actually a pig might have more common sense than Santorum and wouldn’t wear those pathetic sweater vests. Rick Santorum is counter to how human beings are supposed to be as far as I am concerned, I pray he wins republican nomination because it will show that god has a sense of humor. As for the article, ah, is this new information about the importance of sex in a relationship?

  • jmatt55

    Do we really have to do this?  Are we really going to slog through the medieval cultural wars again?

    The nation is bankrupt.  We are insolvent.  President Obama announced during the budget negotiations last fall that unless we let him borrow another trillion dollars from the Chinese, he would NOT be able to send out Social Security checks.

    Do you understand what this means?  The Chinese are in control of your retirement.  If they decide to stop buying Obama’s downgraded bonds, you eat cat food.

    We have more important things to talk about then what Rick Santorum thinks about condoms.

  • honzik

    @phebebrown: Not so.  Plenty of us Catholics are planning our families without contraception – it just requires abstaining for a short, fairly easily identifiable, fertile period.  These are the folks who, studies show, are very happy with their love lives as @baatap points out.

    Even if you leave the Catholic Church’s position out of it (which Santorum jumbles in the quote, by the way), if it’s possible to plan families without the complications of pills or surgical sterilization, why not give it a try?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Susan-Ally/100000172241964 Susan Ally

    Sex is definately useful in persuading otherwise rational people to completely overlook the Federal government’s $16 Trillion  economic disaster and instead focus on fearmongering contraception ban.

    Highly doubt Sex will be happy when our bankrupt Government is out of the Free Contraception business; when this happens everyone will whine about banned sex.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Oliver/1105022576 Michael Oliver

    The real issue is not intellectual aptitude, it is intellectual honesty.  And only someone in academia could be this intellectually dishonest.

    So let’s recap, shall we?  Contraceptives are widely available in the United States, and affordably so.   No politician or political party currently is trying to reverse this fact.  Rick Santorum may repeat the accepted wisdom of his church on the morality of human sexuality, but he has never advocated restricting the use or availability of contraceptives.

    The issue raised by the Obama Administration does not concern the availability of contraception, but it’s funding.  In short, should the Catholic Church be forced to pay for contraception, not it’s availability to church employees, the majority of whom are most certainly already taking birth control, like most American women.

    The Left has twisted this around to paint the opponents of this policy as anti birth control.  It is an Orwellian argument, and it is false.  Perhaps the men and women who benefit from contraceptives should pay for it themselves, and save the country this argument.

    That, after all, is the true issue.

  • baatap

    I cannot cite the research because I only have time to write snarky comments.  Bartlett is the researcher.  But there does seem to be a misconception (pun intended!) implicit in the article–namely, that the result of contraception use is more (and better) sex.  Perhaps sex leads to contraception, but contraception does not necessarily lead to a better sex life.  And it also does not account for sex as an expression of something else.  From this article, it would seem that that it is just the most important itch that we like to scratch.  Where is Diogenes when you need him?

  • 11333651

    Luckily, for me it’s literally, not figuratively!

  • nematoda

    Brilliant(ly ironic). Accuse liberals of Orwellian tactics, while implying that conservatives never engage in such practices.

  • robert_wyatt

    Isn’t that some sort of Jimmy Carter-esque sin of the mind thing? Your purpose is to have sex without conceiving.

  • pflady

    I had a friend in college who was one of 12 “rhythm” babies.  I guess her parents,who actually wanted a smaller family, didn’t have rhythm.

  • big_giant_head

     I don’t agree that that “misconception” IS present in the article. The article is only claiming that sex is good in and of itself, regardless of whether it’s engaged in for the purpose of procreation. And I’d like to see the results of a similar study (as Bartlett’s) of same-sex couples.  Do you suppose we aren’t having any sex because ours is always, by definition, non-procreative?

  • big_giant_head

     The willful ignorance in this post is frankly astonishing.

  • honzik

    @robert_wyatt:twitter: Actually, the Catholic church doesn’t consider the intention of having sex without desiring conception sinful (this was clarified by Saint Augustine of Hippo in the late 300s).
    If you’re interested in reading in depth on the Catholic Church’s position, Google “Elizabeth Anscombe” and “Contraception and Chastity”. 

  • Rol_Texas

    “Is the act diminished in these cases if there’s no chance of pregnancy?” No, because it’s not closed off by an act of human will, via a method not consonant with the natural processes of the human body, to the procreative end of sex.

    Look, I’m not endorsing that view. Just pointing out that, yes, they’ve thought about this question and all the other questions you’ve mentioned in this short post.

    Keep in mind: Natural Family Planning essentially means only abstaining during the most fertile periods of the cycle, and is perfectly consistent with having lots of sex, and lots of sexual satisfaction.

    Again, like I said, I’m not arguing for this view; I’m just pointing out that your objections don’t really do anything to contradict anything Santorum or the Church or whoever says.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Oliver/1105022576 Michael Oliver

    To accuse another of willful ignorance without giving evidence of such is an example of, well, willful ignorance.  Or just a Liberals way of saying “he doesn’t agree with me so he must be stupid”.

  • pianiste

    From G.E.M. Anscombe’s “Contraception and Chastity”:

    “The reason why people are confused about intention, and why they sometimes think there is no difference between contraceptive intercourse and the use of infertile times to avoid conception, is this: They don’t notice the difference between “intention” when it means the intentionalness of the thing you’re doing – that you’re doing this on purpose – and when it means a further or accompanying intention with which you do the thing. For example, I make a table: that’s an intentional action because I am doing just that on purpose. I have the further intention of, say, earning my living, doing my job by making the table. Contraceptive intercourse and intercourse using infertile times may be alike in respect of further intention, and these further intentions may be good, justified, excellent. This the Pope has noted. He sketched such a situation and said: ‘It cannot be denied that in both cases the married couple, for acceptable reasons,’ (for that’s how he imagined the case) ‘are perfectly clear in their intention to avoid children and mean to secure that none will be born.’”

    Right.

  • pianiste

    Michael Oliver says:

    “[Rick Santorum] has never advocated restricting the use or availability of contraceptives.”

    But Rick Santorum has recently said:

    “The state has a right to do that [to outlaw contraception], I have never questioned that the state has a right to do that. It is not a constitutional right, the state has the right to pass whatever statutes they have.”

    Actually, the state does not have a right to outlaw contraception:

    “Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965),[1] was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Constitution protected a right to privacy. The case involved a Connecticut law that prohibited the use of contraceptives. By a vote of 7–2, the Supreme Court invalidated the law on the grounds that it violated the “right to marital privacy”. [Wikipedia]

    Presumably, Rick Santorum would advocate the Supreme Court reversing itself on Griswold v. Connecticut, so that individual states could outlaw contraception. It’s not a great leap to figure that the reason Rick Santorum would like Griswold v. Connecticut reversed is not because he just likes to fool around with states’ rights cases that’ve been settled for going on a half-century, but because he’d like to see contraception outlawed in as many states as possible.

  • richardtaborgreene

    the type of people who “know” what sex “Should” be for the 6 billion others of us, are the foundation of dictatorship

  • baatap

    Yes, let us do what we want!  That’s the human thing.  Willy nilly!  (Well, I don’t know about “nilly” so let’s just talk about “willy.”)   I mean, who are these people, trying to tell me that my lover must be of a certain age, that my lover cannot be too closely related to me, that I cannot have more than one spouse at a time, etc., etc.  Just lay off, people, so we can get the laying going on!

  • nontraditional001

    I can’t believe it’s 2012 and a United States Presidential Candidate is decrying contraception.  Don’t we have bigger REAL problems?  We are doomed.