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August 24, 2011, 11:24 am

The Chronicle reported last night that Elmhurst, a private four-year liberal arts college in Illinois, has became the nation’s “first institution to include a question about sexual orientation and gender identity on its undergraduate admissions application.” Elmhurst’s dean of admission told The Chronicle, “We are trying to recruit students who are academically qualified and diverse, and we consider this another form of diversity.” Applicants who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgendered will be eligible for special scholarships for under-represented groups.

To some advocates, such as Shane L. Windmeyer, executive director of Campus Pride, an advocacy group, Elmhurst’s decision is no big deal. “In the next 10 years, we’ll look back and ask why colleges didn’t make this change much sooner.” But in fact the decision could represent a major paradigm shift, with very broad implications for the gay-rights movement generally.

One of the distinctive features of the movement for gay rights is that it has plainly and clearly sought equal treatment—a notion that, over time, has come to be accepted by a growing number of Americans. Conservative opponents often accused advocates of seeking “special rights,” but that appeared patently untrue. In fact, the mainstream gay-rights movement was seeking simple equality: the right to be treated the same as everyone else.

Gays sought the right not to be discriminated against in the workplace. They sought the right not to be treated differently in the military. And they sought the right to marry, just like heterosexual couples. They advanced a very clear and incredibly compelling message: Just treat us equally.

Elmhurst College, by asking students who apply whether they consider themselves “to be a member of the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, trangendered) community” is taking us in a very different direction, from equal treatment to affirmative action. Of course, members of the LGBT community should not be discriminated against in admissions, should be welcomed and supported once on campus, and the diversity they bring should be celebrated. But the purpose of asking individuals to identify themselves at the application stage, as part of a process designed to promote greater diversity, signals that identity will be a factor in admissions and scholarships, a line not to be crossed casually.

We have, of course, seen this movie before. The civil-rights movement for many years advanced a powerful argument that it was wrong to treat people differently based on skin color and in a long-running battle, eventually won over the American public. The subsequent decision to advocate preferences based on race—in college admissions and elsewhere—has never convinced the American public in the same way. To this day, opposition to racial preference in college admission remains 2:1 in most polls. For many, the shift from equal opportunity to affirmative action muddied the clean and simple message that racial discrimination is wrong.

Affirmative action presents difficult policy questions. I respect supporters of racial preferences though I ultimately have come down instead in favor of considerations of economic disadvantage in admissions. But advocates of gay rights need to think long and hard before they decide to break with the long-advocated—and increasingly popular—principle of nondiscrimination in favor of something quite different.

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  • 11233028

    No–why should someone have preferencial treatment because of the way their parents have sexual relations?

  • plkrahnke

    I am an independent consultant currently working with a student who is gay, a fantastic young man whose parents split up and who have each rejected their son based on his sexual orientation.  The mother and son moved around so many times, the son has several high schools on his transcript. He has been out of high school for a year, and did complete his GED.  The issue for him is not admissibility — he will get in somewhere to pursue his very specific dream.  The issue for him is that he cannot submit the FAFSA for financial aid, because his parents will have nothing to do with him.  It’s all about the money. He works hard wherever he can find work — which is not easy these days, but no way will it be enough to pay for classes and support himself. So: Anyone know where I can get this worthy young man some money (BTW, I’m working with him for free)? 

  • Brian Abel Ragen

    Before we abandon the principle of not discriminating on the basis of things unrelated the issue at hand–the requirements of the job, the ability of the applicant to benefit from the service—don’t we have to prove that members of the favored group suffer discrimination? Are there universities that have been shown to reject homosexual applicants? For that matter, have any been shown to favor them? As they did when the added the QIA to LGBT,some people in colleges are imposing a solution before proving there is a problem. And since this solution involves discrimination, something almost everyone is against, it will cause much more damage than the folderol about the most inclusive initialisms did.

  • alanil

    Start with the Point Foundation: http://www.pointfoundation.org

  • plkrahnke

    Excellent!  Thank you so much. 

  • rogue_academic

    Leading proponents of equal opportunity cannot simply stop at the desired outcome (equal rights) as they essentially evolve into full-time politicians (at least within their communities). Thus, to preserve their relevance, they must set new goals and orchestrate a new campaign that eventually is bound to become oppossed by the majority of the population, resulting in expected but unfortunate backlash.

  • old nassau’67

    Several “devil is in the details” questions?
    1. A problem of proof: exactly how does a school determine an applicant’s membership in an “under-represented group”?  By the applicant’s say-so? If self-id suffices,  I predict an enormous jump in GLBT ranks.
    2. What defines a “GLBT” person? One GLBT sexual encounter? A certain % GLBT vs. “normal” heterosexual relationships or consummations? A GLBT variation of the “one-drop” rule? If your parent(s) is(are) GLBT, are you? Or is actual participation necessary?
    3. We’re talking 17- and 18- year- olds here, many of whom have not defined themselves sexually, or who might change. Is “undecided” or “unknown” (aka “virginal”?) an “under-represented group?
    4.  What defines a “group”? Is Tiger Woods, self-defined “Cablasian”, Black? Asian? White?  or exactly and only what he says he is?
    5.  For that matter, what criteria(ion)) define(s) “under-represented”? Is there some commandment, law, or rule stating that population% = student body%? What about “applicant%”, or “acceptable SAT + GPA %” or “acceptable holistic%) = student body%?
    As King Mongkut (aka Yul Brenner) said:  “Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shanewindmeyer Shane L. Windmeyer

    Campus Pride does not support affirmative action for LGBT prospective students. This opinion piece is nothing more than a way to avoid the real issues of safety and inclusion for all students.  Nearly a quarter of LGB individuals and 40% of transgender individuals on a college campus are harassed and an even larger sum of transgender individuals on campus fear for their physical safety. (State of Higher Education for LGBT People, 2010).

    Colleges and universities have the responsibility to create a safe learning environment for all students — including LGBT students.  This responsibility starts at the beginning of a relationship with an LGBT student — some of who are already out. These “out” students should have the opportunity to come out at the beginning of that relationship with the Office of Admissions and receive the necessary resources to be successful in applying and receiving an education on that campus. LGBT out youth today are largely still invisible in college admissions because we don’t create ways for their identity to be recognized and supported in our campus procedures.

    The blogger who wrote this piece misrepresents the facts of what Elmhurst College did and what Campus Pride supports for LGBT youth.  They even misrepresent what was written the day prior in the Chronicle piece itself — nobody ever made any case for special treatment or affirmative action.  To say so is misleading and dangerous in doing what is right — I know because I was once one of those youth who wished I would have had better support, safety and accountability from the college/university from the beginning.

    Thank you, Elmhurst College!

    Shane Windmeyer
    Campus Pride
    http://www.CampusPride.org
    http://www.CampusClimateIndex.org 

  • jesor

    Many financial aid offices have processes by which a student can essentially prove that their parents have disowned them and can then request to be treated as independent students for federal financial aid purposes.  Ours definitely does.  If you post an e-mail I can contact you directly. 

  • rmelton5

    Kahlenberg’s essay goes beyond a discussion of college admissions to the broader one of how affirmative action might play out, so I will comment on something that is not related to admissions. There are definitely ways in which gay (homosexual) people (I’m not as sure about bisexuals), particularly married gay couples, have been economically deprived by current laws, most importantly in the areas of income tax, social security benefits upon the death of one spouse, possibly alimony and child support in case of divorce (or the break-up of relationships that have not been allowed to marry in the first place). There is no reason why the GLBT community and our allies shouldn’t seek legal means to redress the effects of past economic discrimination, especially when the effects are cumulative. I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t know the technicalities of what affirmative action actually means, but the point is that gay people should be able to seek financial compensation for PAST discriminatory practices, not just the right to be treated equallly in the present.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shanewindmeyer Shane L. Windmeyer

    You should also look at http://www.CampusClimateIndex.org under the Resource area where you will not only find a link to the Point Foundation but other scholarship and financial aid advice.  The Campus Climate Index also provides valuable data on LGBT-friendly campuses for prospective students.

  • renellin

    In fact, why have preferential treatment at all? Well, maybe your resume includes work with Teach for America, or extra time spent in some other activity that enhances your resume. But sexual preference or activity? Actually, REPORTED sexual preference or activity? I am sure I could produce dozens of students who would report some exotic (not so much anymore) sexual preference if it meant they could be eligible for an extra scholarship or other preferential treatment. Gosh, then the school could use the information collected to inflate their reporting of this minority to use in whatever new cockmaimey scheme to gain some other advantage. Sexual preference is not diversity. Please!

  • renellin

    Mostly, I would tell this student to wait until the school year in which he was 24 on the first of January on that day. There are appeals that can be made for special circumstances, but your parents not liking you for whatever reason is extremely unlikely to fly. Heterosexuals’ parents also can be like this, and I have seen many students in this plight where their parents simply refuse to share their personal information with the student. It sounds like this student is accustomed to challenge and frustration, but stands on his own principles. This will help him consider alternatives that will eventually lead him to his goal.
    In reality, there are lots of people out there who have to pay for their own college. It’s a little funny that we place so much value on the free education. If your dream is that clear, hunker down and pay for it yourself.

  • renellin

    I think you have so nailed it! Not just this group, but many advocacy groups evolve from trying to solve a problem into trying to keep their jobs. I don’t have a preference about sexual preference but often find myself annoyed at the gay rights movement, because they just never seem to be satisfied. You can’t solve their problem because they will just introduce another one. Now I realize this is not just a gay issue, but an everything issue. People wish to sustain their positions, so they come up with something new to argue about. I am also reminded of union membership. The union contract states that the union will seek to improve working conditions. What if your working conditions are good, or even adequate? The union tells me, tough, we still have to improve upon them or we are not doing our job. Goodness!

  • renellin

    I agree completely. My daughter had a teacher who has been living in one kind of living arrangement for more than a decade, yet she self-identifies as something else (I don’t remember which combination). Who gets to make the final decision as to what behavior or thought process counts? If there is actually an admissions decision at risk or other benefit, what is the measurement control?

  • billl

    If you or anyone else can prove specific acts of discrminiation conducted by specific people/organizations, then I say go for it. If you are looking for the government to hand you “reparations” then forget it.

  • keithtravels

    I sit on both sides of this fence, which is a very uncomfortable place to be.  I wasn’t out–even to myself–as an undergrad, so the possible diversity I might have represented didn’t happen (and I was certainly scared enough of the violence attached to gays to be all the more locked in my closet). My point here is to bolster points of other posters who have asked the questions of who knows what about themselves, when, where, and how.  There would be possibilities for abuse by potential students pretending to pass as gay (what a concept!) or students re-thinking their orientations mid-stream.  But then, students of different minority backgrounds often disguise this, and, concomitantly some students who are not members of a qualifying minority strive to pass for the financial benefits. 

    It seems to me that any school has the right to recruit for diversity in whatever ways it sees best.  Wouldn’t it be most likely that students who had proven track records in leadership positions such as in a Gay Straight Alliance or a Gay Students’ organization be more likely recipients, in part because they would bring the visibility to the campus that recruiting for diversity seeks to foster.  Moreover, Elmhurst positions itself publically as welcoming, which should draw in many students (though risk turning others away).

    There are other, less direct ways for recruiting for this kind of diversity.  Just including a GLBT student group in a list of student organizations, or highlighting the school’s liberal atmosphere can send messages to those who are looking for them.  Or is this just playing another game of the closet?

    I know that many of the gay students on our campus believe they are in a completely open, welcoming environment.  While I admit the environment is better than a lot of places, they are ignorant of the plight and anxiety of their less comopolitan peers who are still afraid to come out lest they lose the support of their parents.  They are also unaware of the many gay students who resist the image of being gay that they represent.  Part of what kept me in the closet for so long was the lack of any openly gay role models who didn’t fall into the public images of how I was supposed to behave if I were really gay.

    I guess I’ve just talked  myself into thinking that Elmhurst has a valid reason for openly recruiting gay students.  Elmhurst might just be the place for the young man discussed below.  It openly acknowledges that there are implicit and explicit forces that create prejudice in the recruitment process.  Admissions reps are  not without their prejudices and can subtly turn away students they presume to be gay just as realtors steer people of color out of certain neighborhoods.

    Maybe this is as much about equal rights as it seems to be be about preferential treatment.  In any case, I applaud Elmhurst for taking this lead in creating an environment where students of diverse backgrounds will be working together.  That’s what is happening, increasingly, in the worlds of business and other enterprises.  Maybe this experience will help give all Elmhurst students a leg up.

  • jamesebryan

    Really?  Your advice to a student rejected by his parents who simply wants to apply for the aid available to students not rejected by their parents is to wait until he turns 24 which makes filling out the paperwork so much easier?  You’re saying what he should do is allow his familiarity with academic subjects and procedures to atrophy and in the meantime acquire some other commitments he will need to withdraw from, at least partially, in order to return to his studies several years from now?  While I can see putting off school because you need to mature more to make it worth your while, or you need to figure out what you want to be before you start a program of study, suggesting someone delay going to school because his parents are uncooperative and the federal bureaucracy is too is about the worst piece of advice I have ever read posted on this site, and that’s saying something.  Given that there are lots of students in his shoes, and someone else indicated in a post put up long before yours that good financial aid offices should have policies in place to address their problems, I’m really taken aback here.

  • katisumas

    This is a strawman argument.  No one, but no one in the LGBT community is asking for affirmative action.  Your argument fans the flames of hatred against gays who are the group sufferering the most hate crimes in our country. (see SPLC stats on line).  Furtrhermore you cleverly go from one known fact (a college asking students if they’re interested in the LGBT community to your totally unfounded conclusion that the movement for civil rights for gays involves a demand for affirmative action in higher ed admission.  (you know: ”A is a fact that I am discussing.  B is a figment of my imagination, but since I started with a fact, I’m asking you to take this figment as fact as well and I am pretty confident that in our ever shortening attention span era, many readers will fall for it”)

    There’s a difference between affirmative action on the basis of “race”.  Historically, blacks (and for that matter women who have been the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action) were simply not admitted to universities (that’s why you had to have black colleges and women’s colleges).  Actually, if you go back just a little ity bit more in in time, it was against the law in the US South for a black person to learn to read and write and for a white one to teach blacks to do so.  …. not that long ago….. Also the subsequent Jim Crow laws and the lynchings that came with it till the end of the sixties (or even early seventies?) terrorized a generation that is still quite alive and telling about it to their grandkids….

    Affirmative action is aimed at making up for a tiny tiny speck of this past history and to restore some sort of balance (if you think about it, it’s a pretty cheap way to compensate for the slavery that enabled much of this country’s accumulation of wealth. How much in denied wages you suppose African Americans would be due if we really tried to make up for the past? And how much for unpunished abuse and torture and murders, even after slavery was abolished?).

    Most Gays  have historically remained in the closet, so that didn’t preclude their admission to higher ed.  As long of course as their parents didn’t put them out in the street as young as in their tween years which made their future access to higher ed, not to mention their life span, problematic.

    I am filled with admiration for blacks who not only learned to read and write during the slavery era but also contributed to the best in American literature.  I am filled with admiration for the LGBT generation who came out of the closet and, often at the risk of being arrested and hurt and sometimes killed, won the right to be. 

    However, there’s still a long way to go.  The evidence again is the rate of hate crimes against gays in the US….  though of course gays can pass, so it’s only blacks  (and now people perceived as looking Hispanics in several states) who for instance get stopped for Driving While Black.  This along with a host of glaring symptoms of ongoing racism unfortunately shows that racism is alive and well in our country.

    That being said, I do agree with you that that affirmative action should be based on economic circumstances but I wonder if you really mean  it?  Aren’t you surprised that the people most vociferous against affirmative action of any kind don’t object to preferential legacy admissions? (do you?).  Also there the question of who can afford the tuition.  I remember a young person admitted to an Ivy League college on financial aid with the institution making up the difference in the exhorbitant tuition, saying in amazement:  “the kids here are either very smart or very rich”.  You’d have to be naive to believe that family money and trust funds don’t give you an advantage at admission time in prestigious institutions (private, yes, but nonetheless benefitting from the financial aid which enables those universities to recruit the best students and thus maintain their prestige)

    Sadly I don’t think affirmative action based on economic criteria are in the offing.  Instead, affirmative action based on previously discriminated against minorities might be on the way out.  Higher ed.  is moving out of the reach of not just the poor and poor minorities but an ever growing portion of the middle class which too is increasingly ”economically disadvantaged”.

    The sad thing is that the very people who feel injured by affirmative action are the very people who would need affirmative action based on economic background.  Instead of militating for this, they have redirected blame for their unfair situation by imagining minorities have it better than them.  In this very forum, I’ve now come across comments stating that gays are privileged in academia just because some courses are offered in Queer Studies! 

    I’m afraid you’re fanning the flames of hatred by spreading the sort of nonsense that is normally the domain of the Glenn Becks of this world.  I suspect that you too will wash your hands of any violence resulting from your false insinuations.

  • plkrahnke

    Thank you so much!  My email address is plkrahnke@gmail.com

  • goxewu

    As katisumas points out, there’s a difference between recruiting certain types of students, and affirmative action for them. Colleges are always going after some kind of student they think they lack and need: international students from China, modern dancers, black science majors, rags-to-admissions backstories, Muslims, Jews, athletes (legitimately, perhaps, in schools not offering athletic “scholarships”), kids from hometowns way across the country, cello players, et al. And now, it seems, gay and lesbian students.

    Schools recruit by getting propaganda into the hands and on the screens of the students they want and their families, and telling them that they might really like a certain school. Affirmative action, this ain’t.

  • plkrahnke

    Thanks!!!!

  • bigjoe

    I’m sorry, but gays have fought for years to be treated as equals.  That is now happening in many areas.  Now, someone wants to treat them as being different.  It can’t be both ways.  Are gays equal, or do they really need special treatment?  It sounds to me that many gays want their cake and yet eat it too. NO, I am not “gay bashing.”

  • katisumas

    Gays are not demanding to be treated differently from other people, on the contrary they still have a long way to go before  being treated the same as everyone else. 

    You’re swallowing the hate propaganda that says that if members  if a group get the same rights as you do, then they are privileged!  Gays still suffer from bullling and hate crimes in most campuses.  They can still be denied a job or housing in most states.  Why don’t you read the post by Shane L. Windmeyer above?

    I suspect you got confused by the article’s headline and the article itself which have absolutely nothing to do with reality. 

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