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Syracuse, Selectivity, and ‘Old Measures’

October 13, 2011, 2:34 pm

How do we write headlines here at The Chronicle? A few of my sources asked me that question after reading “Syracuse’s Slide,” a recent article by my colleague Robin Wilson. To say the least, some readers thought the headline stunk like a day-old fish. I don’t do media criticism here, but I do write about the admissions world, so I thought the article was worth revisiting. After all, it raised some serious questions about how people define “excellence” in higher education, not to mention “success” in admissions.

For the record, Robin is a fearless and an uncommonly talented reporter who has written many, many illuminating articles for The Chronicle. Over the years I’ve learned a lot from her. This post is intended only as a riff on one aspect of her article that relates to my beat: let’s call it the Will to Prestige, which drives some folks to fret about U.S. News & World Report’s rankings and colleges’ acceptance rates. These metrics that have long mattered—to administrators, faculty, and applicants—far more than they should.

In case you missed it, Robin’s article described how Syracuse has sought to provide more opportunities for the town of Syracuse and for disadvantaged students. “As a result,” the article said, “Syracuse is fading on the national stage, falling in the U.S. News & World Report rankings of national universities” (to 62 this year, down from 40 in 1998). Furthermore, the article described how the recent rise in Syracuse’s acceptance rate had alarmed some professors and students, not to mention the editorial board at The Daily Orange, which wrote that a higher acceptance rate might “devalue the SU diploma … and affect the quality of an SU education.”

Behold the power of the P word. The more applicants a college rejects, the more prestigious a college must be, or so the thinking goes among many observers of college admissions. By all means, colleges have helped perpetuate this notion. But how long can the citizens of academe go on thinking this way?

Not much longer, says Donald A. Saleh, Syracuse’s vice president for enrollment management. “Those metrics are going to be dated,” he says. “We’re at the point of needing to recognize that it isn’t just about the admit rate you have or the average test scores enrolled students have, because those measures are old measures. They don’t serve the institution in and of themselves. An admit rate doesn’t say anything about the student body you’re enrolling. If you want to build your job around an admit rate, you can make a lot of decisions that are not in the best interest of the institution.”

By all means, any enrollment czar with a calculator and a marketing plan can manipulate his institution’s admit rate to some degree. He could, for instance, extend a greater percentage of admission offers to students who, above all else, are the most likely to enroll. Or he could solicit more applications from students who stand little or no chance of getting in, just to reject those poor suckers by the hundreds.

In the years to come, however, the chase for “better” admissions metrics each and every year might prove unsustainable for some colleges. According to various projections (like this one), tomorrow’s applicant pools will not look like today’s do: they will contain many more students from lower-income families, more students whose parents did not attend college, and more students who lack the on-paper polish, like sky-high test scores, that so many of today’s applicants have. And if you work in an admissions office in the Northeast, you’ve surely lost some sleep thinking about the shrinking number of high-school graduates in your college’s backyard.

All of those looming demographic changes have shaped how Syracuse officials think about recruitment. Over the last decade, the university has expanded its outreach in New York, but also in far-flung cities, such as Miami and Los Angeles. This has helped the university enroll more lower-income and minority students. “As we look at how we want to be 15 years from now,” Mr. Saleh says, “we have an imperative to recruit those students and educate those students.”

Generally speaking, enrolling more low-income students means emphasizing grades over ACT and SAT scores, one of the many trade-offs admissions officials often weigh. When a college enrolls more Pell-eligible students, it can expect to see standardized-test scores to go down. That doesn’t mean sacrificing academic quality, Mr. Saleh says. Nor does it necessarily mean that a college’s acceptance rate will soar: Syracuse has found that the lower-income applicants it admits are more likely to enroll than affluent ones, who tend to apply to numerous colleges.

Then again, geography also plays a large role in “yield” (the percentage of accepted students who enroll). In general, the greater the distance between College X and a student’s home, the less likely he or she is to enroll at College X. So when an East Coast college like Syracuse attempts to enroll more students from California, it can expect them to yield at a lower rate than, say, students from Pennsylvania do.

In other words, acceptance rates are complex, much more so than they might seem when published in a press release or in the pages of U.S. News. Daniel M. Lundquist, vice president for external relations at the Sage Colleges, says it’s a mistake to put too much stock in the vicissitudes of admissions statistics. “The reality is they’re not lowering their ambition at Syracuse,” says Mr. Lundquist, previously vice president for admissions, financial aid, and communications at Union College, in New York. “They’re looking around the corner to the Syracuse of 20 years from now, and trying to imagine the audiences they’ll be serving. To think that the population that sustains their pool now will always be there would be ostrich behavior.”

If you must search for meaning in the recent rise in Syracuse’s acceptance rate, it might help to take the long view. For this fall’s incoming class, Syracuse received more than 25,000 applications, about twice as many as it received a decade ago. In 2001 the university’s acceptance rate stood at 71 percent. It fell steadily into the mid-50s before climbing back 60 percent last fall. Mr. Saleh attributes that jump, in part, to the recession. During the height of the economic crisis, he says, the university accepted more applicants than it might have needed otherwise amid concerns about a big drop in yield. As it turned out, there was only a slight drop. Syracuse has also grown its classes by design. Ten years ago, the university enrolled a freshman class of 2,627; this fall, it welcomed 3,385.

As Robin’s article noted, Syracuse’s spending on need-based aid increased to $131.5-million from $49.9-million between 2004 and 2011. Meanwhile, the proportion of minority students in each incoming class has risen to 31.7 percent from 18.5 percent; and the proportion of Syracuse students who qualify for Pell Grants has increased to 28.3 percent this year from 19.7 percent.

Those statistics impress Theodore A. O’Neill, former dean of admissions at the University of Chicago. “What the article suggests about the recent history of admissions at Syracuse is that we are in the presence of a real triumph, and a model for what some other, if not all other, universities should be doing,” he wrote in an e-mail.

Mr. O’Neill, now a lecturer at Chicago, doesn’t buy the notion that rising acceptance rates or falling SAT scores automatically indicate that incoming students are any less capable of doing the work at a particular college. “I am astounded, as always, that the faculty thinks that the ratings matter,” he wrote. “They are supposed to be smart.”

There are many sides to this discussion, of course. I’ve chosen to elaborate here on just one. In that spirit, I suggest that “Syracuse’s Slide” was but one of several possible headlines that could have accompanied this article. An equally good (and alliterative) one might have been “Syracuse’s Surge.”

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  • nacrandell

    There is a difference between using the FOIA to research and investigate, and if it is used to intimidate and harass. And, it is easy to copy and paste inaccurate information on numerous sites. It’s a bit more difficult however, to objectively analyze, understand and present an argument.

    As to the suggestion that the “liberal Democrats who led the way post-Watergate in the 70′s and 80′s to ram through the FOIA and other open records laws, to allow their heroes in the media and liberal watchdog groups to demand information to shed light on things they wanted to see investigated…”
    1) The United States the Freedom of Information Act was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on July 4, 1966 and a young Congressman from Illinois endorsed it. His name was Donald Rumsfeld.
    2) In the 80′s, I seem to remember a Republican president, House and Senate being in the majority.
    3) Rush Limbaugh has been spewing ‘liberal media’ for 30 years, yet the media is a business. During McCarthy’s tirade in the 50′s there was fear of CBS losing business if ‘See It Now’ confronted his indecent actions.

    The professor may have used his university computer and email, or used his university email account through his computer to actively promote his political ideals. He may have used one of the above and simply mentioned a current political action and his views. He may have responded to an email sent to his university account. He me not have used the computer and email account at all. The questions is whose motives are hidden:
    1) Did the professor secretly use university property to advance his political agenda?, and/or
    2) Are the FOI request secretly being used to silence opposing views?

    If his use of university property is found to be a misuse of government property, he likely will be asked to resign or fired, but what happens if his use of university property is found to be within the normal bounds of use?

  • hypatia

    I would not want to hire someone for a writing position who thinks that “never mind” is all one word, and who misuses “as such”:  It does not mean “therefore” or “hence”.  Worse still, the letter provides the reader with no concrete evidence for supposing the writer has “walked the walk” or “talked the talk”.  Moreover, the injunction, before the letter, to “enjoy” suggests that the writer has an inflated view of the value of his own writing. Assuming that this article manifests his abilities and experience, the writer has provided every reason for me not to hire him.

  • kay99

    Comment @Portia, Abel and Hypatia — I do not teach but I have worked in higher ed since 1977. It always amazes me how negatively critical faculty are. I’ve often wondered how much better the institution would be if faculty didn’t tear each other to bits. But perhaps this is the way higher ed “polices” itself. Or perhaps it helps one grow a thick skin and an inflated view of self.

  • cmcclain

    If hundreds of applicants apply for the same position then such nitpicks will determine which applications can be dumped early on in the search. The OP would do well to heed the advice of  the “negatively critical” faculty who realize that applications are first sorted by the small but glaring errors. A hiring committee member might even reach the conclusion that grammatical mistakes and lack of relevance to the institution reflect the writer’s work ethic and intended commitment to the position, if hired.

  • ctaylor32

    portiacoelhi, your second to last statement is precisely why his letter is good. All the things that you outline prior to that statement can be done when he comes to campus. You proved his letter to be as effective as he felt it was.

  • FrancisHamit

    Well, I find this timely.  We are about to publish the first draft screenplay of my 1988 stage play “MARLOWE: An Elizabethan Tragedy” as a trade paperback book and the original play, which was produced by the Shakespeare Society of America, is available as an e-book on Amazon Kindle and B&N Nook.  The late Thad Taylor, founder of SSA, thought that I had solved the mystery of Marlowe’s death, i.e. that he was done in by his fellow secret service agents for reasons of state. If they “biographical fact” is that he was a spy, well that’s been known and documented for quite some time. We are in pre-production for a film based on my play.  Michael Donahue will direct.  We’re still looking at casting options.  So I look forward to this new journal. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gary-North/100000049168139 Gary North

    What a joke! College presidents such as Mr. Schulz may not realize it,but “the dog-tail and all- is out of the kennel  and most don’t know that the the gate was left open”. Presidents come out with such platitudes from time to time ,and perhaps with some degree of sincerity .But the commercialization of “big time”college sports has advanced so far that even if presidents had the will to attempt to retake control ,too much money is involved,too many fans,donors and trustees would not tollerate it and too many athletic directors and coaches would find ways to roadblock the effort. Not only is the tail wagging the dog,but many presidents of “big time’ programs are out in front leading the cheers. Tune in – long after Mr. Schulz has passed from the scene -,big time sports will still be rolling along,unchecked…unless the money drys up.

  • manoflamancha

    Socratease2: well, you sure change stripes easily! I still say we shut the whole enterprise down. We can not afford it. A good practices formula should be: does this activity enhance the academic program? If no, then it must go!

  • Socratease2

    No, you misunderstand what I am saying, I did not alter my stripes at all. My response concerning the role of Presidents, the actual institutional representative who supposedly help “self-govern” the NCAA, has nothing to do with whether athletic departments should be maintained or abolished. Every post I have put out concerning this topic has supported the role of athletics at the university level. But, do I have major criticisms about how athletics is governed and how media dollars has transformed much for the negative. I want to see the system improved, not cancelled. So, in my opinion, athletics does enhance that academic mission. And if anyone who enjoys calling athletics corrupt actually worked in an athletic department  they would see very quickly that there is a lot of good work, work that supports and enhances the  overall education for most student-athletes. Is it a perfect institution? No it is not, but that is the nature of human affairs, the pursuit of the “good” can have negative side-effects. Is the solution not to do anything and sit on your hands if  some unobtainable, ideological goal is not possible. The world is material and messy, get used to it and celebrate the good that is there.

  • prfsr1

    I wish President Kirk well – it is an honorable goal.  A little over 10 yrs. ago, I was a social science adjunct at Kansas State which had a winning football team.  I have 3 stories about this experience and want to be clear that this is by no means an indictment of Kansas State. There were many more stellar and academic proficient students than the substandard.  The experiences I had are repeated hundreds, if not thousands of times every year across the nation.

    Many colleges have a tutoring unit just for athletes and in the athletic areas.  It is well known on campus that these are dens of counterfeit term papers and assignments completed by tutors but submitted by the athletes in class.  Now, my stories:

    1) Another adjunct was asked by an athletic department representative to change the grade for an athlete in order for him to be eligible for the sports program.

    2) An athlete submitted a hand written assignment with 3 different colored inks and 4 different writing styles.

    3) One assignment I had given was a brief research paper of 5 pages with 3 required sources cited. Students were told their reports would be presented in class in order to share the info with other students.  One athlete could not even express the topic of his paper without looking at it.  He had no clue about his findings and did not know what sources he had used. 

    Good luck Mr. Kirk.

  • manoflamancha

    We are all waiting to hear  how: “…athletics does enhance that academic mission”. I suspected all along that you were an insider. Spare us the pity for million dollar coaches!

  • Socratease2

    We are all waiting to hear  how: “…athletics does enhance that
    academic mission”. I suspected all along that you were an insider.
    Spare us the pity for million dollar coaches!

    I am not a coach, trainer or anything related to the pursuit of athletics. If I were a million dollar coach do you think I would be sitting around wasting my time arguing with you? I have no pity (or enmity for that matter) for million dollar coaches just like I have no strong feelings about the fact entertainers/celebrities make obscene amounts of money in this society. Do you send Sandra Bullock rants about her making $20 million for a crappy romantic comedy? No you don’t.

    First of all, I am still waiting to hear how athletics detracts from the education received by Joe Student at the average Big Time University. Please explain how that works, I keep asking but all I hear is irrelevant hyperbole supported by minimal analysis and evidence. You provide no evidence but I can go one for quite a while explaining how athletics is a positive. It would include ideas related to increasing diversity on campus, increasing self-esteem and confidence in young women, developing many positive character traits such as teamwork, leadership, perserverance, accountability, good time management skills, etc. What most students learn from books/class at college is irrelevant in terms of their future lives. What does count are the life skills they take away, things that help them work together with others and that provide motivation to be productive and to excel at whatever life goal is faced. You may not want this to be true but those are traits enhanced through participation in athletics. And that will be true no matter how many of my posts you choose to reply to. Find a new hobby horse and spare me.

  • hoodlib

    Didn’t this flap start because of the talk of one TAMU cheerleader Rick Perry (not Rick pArry).  He has the making of another Texas cheerleader turned president.

  • commentarius

    I think what really chaps A&M people is that the “rivalry” is increasingly one-way.  UT fans rank the A&M game a distant second to the OU matchup, and in recent years it’s been rather ho-hum since the two teams were not really that close in ranking (including last year, when the usual positions were reversed).  A&M, on the other hand, builds its entire annual calendar around this game, with its crazed and often hilarious (yet sometimes tragic) obsession with bonfires and rallies and “traditions” that eclipse all other activities for months on end.  So it just drives Aggies wild that UT fans, for the most part, don’t seem to care much.  Sure, it’s a rivalry that’s occasionally entertaining, but it’s not the center of the Longhorn season.  The two teams are rarely evenly matched.  The series record is 75-37-5 in favor of UT, after all. 

  • theart

    Or spin their teams off into a professional minor league and let the NFL deal with all of this nonsense.

  • 22058726

    Hmmm, Will Ferrell?

  • mbelvadi

    Agree. I wish I had a similar magic wand to make the obsession that faculty have with publishing in expensive for-profit journals with “high impact” factors go away and get them to only submit their manuscripts to open access journals. But it’s the same problem – those who are being judged have to play to the benchmarks established by those who do the judging.  If you don’t like the SAT obsession, reform the admissions departments; don’t blame the high school counselors and students.

  • dleeoda

    Hurray for Math students and the others who disregarded their own safety to save a man’s life!

  • dailyreader

    I was fascinated by the flow of events.  First there’s a few lifters and then more join in, with the apparent intention of turning the car on its side.  Then somebody notices the victim’s ankle, and drags him out of harm’s way.  And then everyone just runs off!  Where did everybody go?  Back to class.  Some police and fire people start putting out the fire, and he’s still lying there unconscious. After such heroic efforts I would have thought that somebody would have checked to see if he’s breathing.   

  • jcas3309

    Wow – as a Penn Alumni and administrator in higher education for many years, this is unacceptable. I am sure there is a process in the provost office for this; how many departmental meetings did they have within this period?

    F. John Case 

  • vandoesborgh

    None. It was summer.

  • soc_sci_anon

    As an administrator, you presumably know that most faculty at R1s are on 9-month contracts, and they spend their summers doing research, not sitting in faculty meetings.

    Also, even if the faculty met over the summer, it’s not their job to make sure the administrative staff — whether in the department or at the university registrar’s level — doesn’t screw up.

    Two screw-ups: not cancelling the class, and, once the error was discovered, sending an e-mail rather than walking over to the class to speak to the students in person. Now that’s just tacky.

  • sibyl

    This is a failure of several levels.  Where was the director of undergraduate studies?  The department chair?  The dean?  The provost?  The registrar?  What about even the advisors of the undergraduates who signed up for the class?  Did any of them wonder, hmm, I wonder whether any of my students signed up for Henry’s class and whether I should encourage them to take something else?

  • 153584ods

    As an administrator in student services/affairs I have to point out this situation is a perfect example of the disconnect between academic and service divisions. We in student services/affairs seldom hear about significant events, like a death, in a timely way especially when it is a coworker in another division. I’m sure the first people to find out about this faculty member’s death were his fellow faculty/department chair in his own department.  I am sure the dept. chair notified his/her dean, who, I’m sure notified human resources, etc. At most universities/colleges, what courses are offered and/or cancelled is the department/division’s decision so it follows that if a course is cancelled (for whatever reason) it would be the dept/division/etc. responsibility to notify the registrar and follow-up to make sure it doesn’t show up in the online courseofferings listing (which for those institutions using online registration will be the most up to date course listing).  I have to agree with soc_sci_anon on one point, however, no matter how you cut it, sending an e-mail was ‘just tacky’ 

  • suzannewayne

    It seems to me that Penn should have found a replacement instructor for this course. Are the students still able to add another class at this time? What about the students, who in losing this course from their schedule, are no longer full-time and whose federal financial aid (which requires full-time status) may be in jeopardy? Or what about the students who need this course this semester to continue progressing toward their degree?

  • info8036

    No reason not to stay on top of things.

  • cp3242

    Terrible! It seems as if technology services should be responsible for some sort of checklist by which a person is removed from the university system — courses, payroll, phonathon, etc. — upon death. We recently caught an error in which the university was poised to email a family email account with the father’s name in the subject line, despite the fact that he had died a few months prior. Although everyone was aware of his death, we did not have a series of checkpoints in place to remind us of all the varied systems storing his name as the primary point of contact for the student. If your campus is like mine, you utilize lots of homegrown systems, in addition to a central system. It’s nearly impossible to remember all the places you need to check and double-check. 

  • http://singingstring.org/ asongbird

    Talk about your Ghost in the Machine!

  • http://www.facebook.com/kgschneider K.G. Schneider

    Dr. Teune didn’t die “over summer.” He died in April, and the campus website ran an obit for him: http://www.upenn.edu/almanac/volumes/v57/n30/obit.html As did the student newspaper: http://thedp.com/index.php/article/2011/04/political_science_professor_henry_teune_dies_at_75

    I feel for the students, and I also feel for Dr. Teune.

  • copesan

    It is the job of the department chair supervise the administrative staff in his/her department! and  to do the final check of the roster for fall courses.  The department administrator should not take the fall for this in the absence of adequate support and supervision.  “Department administrators” work under a wide variety of conditions – its not necessarily a standard description – different departments work things out in different ways – but the bottom line is that too many of them end up being the cleanup staff for things which faculty and department leadership were supposed to do, were responsible to do, and then when they don’t and things screw up, run around with their hair on fire.  Also, many administrative staff do not work on a 12 month calendar but on a 9 or 10 month contract.  So don’t blame the administrative staff until you have more evidence of how this particular department works and whether they make it possible for their staff to function effectively.

  • copesan

    No – U Penn department chair, do your job!

  • mdwoodhull

    This would have never happened at a small private school……   ;)

  • wassall

    Perhaps the Political Science department could have still run the course by pulling a “Weekend at Bernie’s.” I wonder if the students would have noticed.

  • happyhistory

    One would think, right?  I had the misfortune to spend a number of years at a small private school where the provost once bragged to me that the president didn’t even know a faculty member who had been teaching at the school for close to 50 years….the provost thought he/she was being funny by making such a remark….I was aghast, and went home that night saying “time to go elsewhere”…not a school even the size of Penn, but a tiny little place. 

  • Dr_Zachary_Smith

    Academic freedom is the freedom to teach even when you’re dead.

  • nykol

    OMG. Are you joking here? Foremost, the Department Chair is accountable for this mishaps because she/he should be aware of faculty members’ status in the department, viz. who will be teaching for that particular semester, who has taken sabbatical, who has pass away. This is truly a major protocol issue here as to how news of a faculty member is communicated to the students, the entire University community. But to notify the students in an email is unprofessional, uncaring, insensitive,  and a cowardly act. To recapitulate, the Chair dropped the ball indeed!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RSRD4KFLLVQHEM4QYHLLFBQR6M chaz

    C’est la vie!

  • rmelton5

    Another, if lesser, embarrassment is the grammatical construction of the final sentence: ”This course should have been cancelled over the summer and was an oversight.” According to Ms. bottomley’s construction, the course itself was an oversight, rather than the error itself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Weds-Bunneh/100001763898247 Weds Bunneh

    How was it “last minute”?

  • plinthic

    The name Dr Teune is an anagram for “tenured”.  Coincidence?

  • mjk5842

    Great piece Eric.  Never have understood why the focus is always on what it takes to get into a college or university rather than what a student gets out of it.  There are many great schools that do wonders with students who have average to barely above average credentials going in but often outperform their peers from more selective institutions in terms of grad school and job placement rates.

  • iduhpres

    Mr. Hoover is right on in his comments. The enrollment and
    admission’s worlds have changed as has the academic world itself. It is no
    longer the “look to your right, look to your left” world of building a class or
    a first class university. Syracuse is just ahead of the curve (or will admit is
    at least while others cling to the wreckage of old out-dated notions of
    building a class). The world has changed and higher ed needs to change too.

  • darccity

    I’ve been enjoying Eric Hoover’s thoughtful and provocative pieces for many years. However, I need to balance this piece (that I’m sure 100.0% of the Chronicle readership will love!) with a couple facts:

    1. Within 10 years, many private colleges and perhaps even a university or two will have to fold due to demographic changes. There is no escaping that fact. It is a pipe dream to expect the gap to be made up by non-trads, online streaming video, lower income, and less prepared applicants. Perhaps that is possible for some public universities, but not for high-tuition privates.

    2. Syracuse is a wonderful university with a great business model. But it’s based on a deceptively two-tiered acceptance system. Getting in is relatively easy but less than half the battle won. The real acceptance barriers occur when a student attempts to gain admission to one of their many world-renowned prestige colleges or programs. There are limited places available, competition is high, and performance standards unyielding (perhaps as they should be) in journalism, business, urban forestry, etc., etc. I’m not being critical of their operating model, but it makes acceptance rate comparisons with other college invalid!

  • 11890636

    So there are articles, and there are headlines, and sub-heads. “Syracuse’s Shift” could have provided an alliterative, yet even-handed, headline for the original article, though it probably wouldn’t have attracted as many readers — and comments. But this particular headline-plus-subhead seem especially unbalanced, as “slide” is repeated, perhaps to reinforce that (allegations of a) downward trend in reputation are synonymous with more intrinsic institutional measures,  while “public good” is placed in quotes, implying something snide, or worse about the Chancellor’s vision or priorities or … — Syracuse’s Slide: As chancellor focuses on the ‘Public Good,” Syracuse’s Reputation Slides. What if, instead, the headline had been — Syracuse’s Shift: As chancellor focuses on Public Good, University’s Reputation “Slides.”

  • jeffgray

    Finally someone writes something that makes sense.  Rankings are an inch deep and a mile wide, marketing tools for those who want to grab on to simple and superficial metrics as a measure of success.  The previous article left me mystifed.  I was not clear how the Chronicle and others could assail them on the one hand, and then use them as a club to critique on the other hand, in a superficial way I might add.  Syracuse seems to have figured out something that the vast majority of others have not.  Good for them.

  • juris_prudence

    Fascinating — the article begins with a question, but the question is never answered.

    Could someone at the Chronicle please tell us how the Chronicle’s headlines are written, and why those who wrote and approved this particular headline put a negative spin on a development that many people consider to be very positive?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicole-Nguyen/5512359 Nicole Nguyen

    Many Syracuse University graduate students proudly recognize the importance and (prestigious) value of work with the community, and support Chancellor Cantor’s bold vision and steadfast commitment to Scholarship in Action.  Please see our response to the Wilson article at http://syracuseengagedgrads.wordpress.com/

  • 11191774

    I have always said that I like faculty members individually, but when they get together, some chemical reaction takes place that makes them, collectively, among the most irrational mob one can ever hope to (not) encounter.

    I think it is the “Exiles from Eden” syndrome coupled with Groucho Marx’s pronouncement about not wanting to be in a club that would have him as a member.

    Mostly, though, I think Syracuse is getting better by marching to the beat of its own drummer, rather than chasing that which can never be attained.  Good for them.  Until someone can both quantify and morally rationalize the value of a rejected applicant, I’ll take the side of the good.

  • jamesm

    Congratulations to Syracuse.  It’s decided to take the long view and make commitments that will well-serve the university and society in the years to come, rather than dwell on the metrics of past incoming classes.  It seems to me that this is the strategic pursuit of excellence.  Thanks to Eric  for sharing it with all of us.  – Jim Miller

  • willardmdix

    I read the original piece with growing admiration for Syracuse and thought the headline was sly; perhaps the word “slide” should have been in quotation marks. I didn’t read the article as negative about Syracuse at all. I agree with Ted O’Neill 100% — Syracuse is “walking the walk” not just “talking the talk” about being concerned with serving a broader population and looking to the future instead of trying to hold on to the ragged present. (The origins of the word “prestige” have to do with illusion or trickery, BTW. Think “prestidigitation.”)
    I work at Chicago Scholars, an organization that serves talented but underserved students in the city. Syracuse has been an enthusiastic supporter of our program, helping find and encourage bright students from outside the mainstream to apply to and enroll in great colleges, not just Syracuse. Reading about the Chancellor’s forward-thinking policies was a breath of fresh air in a sometimes suffocating world of argument about rankings, ACT sores, and chasing the same tiny goals.The student newspaper’s comment about how the enrollment changes might “devalue” the Syracuse degree are repellent, tinged with classism and racism. The professor’s comment (on the original story) that he is “an intellectual” and supposedly exempt from the real world (my interpretation) reminded me why so many people hate professors. Eric’s comments about status and Nancy Cantor’s outlook as Syracuse’s chancellor are right on the money. Other institutions should be looking to Syracuse as a model for the future.Finally, I recently reviewed (www.funnyhamlet.wordpress.com) Prof. Andrew Roberts’s excellent book “The Thinking Student’s Guide to College: 75 Tips for Getting a Better Education.” A comment early in the book is particularly germane: “The one aim that drives most colleges and universities,…,is a desire to increase their prestige. Universities wish to be viewed as the best in their line of work. They want to achieve the highest esteem among the general public and their peers as they can. To put it bluntly, everyone wants to be Harvard, and Harvard wants to make sure that no one else is Harvard.” In this light, universities look more like a gym full of ninth graders at their new high school.If Chancellor Cantor is trying to get Syracuse off that dreadful and pointless treadmill and doing some social good in the process, I say more power to her.

  • Evil_Spock

    When the former admissions officer at a school which admits virtually all very high-SAT score students says that lower SAT scores don’t necessarily indicate less ability to do a college’s work, you’ll pardon me if I think he may not quite believe that. Was he not admitting low-SAT score students for non-academic reasons? Or by “a particular college” do we mean “a particular college that isn’t my college”?

  • Socratease2

    As I remember, the SAT is simply a flawed predictor of what % chance a  freshman student has of being still satisfactorily enrolled in school by the end of their freshmen year of college. As such, it should not be conflated with a metric that is actually measuring a student’s potential to grow, learn, mature and contribute to campus academic and social culture. I hate the Princeton Testing Service.

  • Evil_Spock

    I wasn’t commenting on the utility or lack of utility of the test, I was commenting on the disingenuousness of someone who ran admissions for a school which relies heavily on SAT scores saying this.

  • alexis_v

    There is a very easy expedient to raise both the selectivity of a university and the number of low-income applicants:
     
    Abolish the application fee.

  • stonecash

    Eric Hoover (“Syracuse, Selectivity, and ‘Old Measures’”–Oct. 13, 2011) writes an interesting but misconceived and misleading column.  Hoover would have us believe that all opponents of Nancy Cantor quoted in your front-page story “Syracuse’s Slide” are hopelessly and foolishly  opposing her admission policies with old muddled metrics. We were both quoted in the story, and neither one of us refers to anything of the sort.  Neither do some others.  Nancy Cantor’s critics are asking questions about her fiscal judgment and ranking of priorities.
     
    She has increased the size of the student body (at least 25 %) while decreasing the budget percentage going to the academic mission of the schools and colleges, where these new students must be educated.  What has gotten bigger along with the bulging student body is the percentage of the budget going to administrative costs and to carry out her personal priorities outside the academy.  For example, just this past Friday, the University announced the creation of yet another Senior Vice President, this one for “Investment in Human Capital.”  Money goes here rather than to support teaching students, a legitimate and proper investment in human capital. 
     
    While this goes on, the endowment is the same as it was a decade ago, despite the University’s billion dollar fund-raising campaign.  Debt has more than doubled.  The real issue is academic quality’s slide in University priorities, and that is what we said in the Chronicle story.  If we can get off the red herring routine maybe we can focus on how the university is managed.
     
    Don Saleh, Syracuse’s Vice President for Enrollment Managemnt, tells us in Hoover’s column that “we have an imperative to recruit those students and educate those students.”  We agree.  But by all sorts of metrics, and by our own experience teaching more than 20,000 students over a combined tenure of more than 75 years, today’s students are less and less able to read and write than just a few years ago.  Surely, if we have an “imperative to educate” we need to put our money where our mouth is.  Unless, of course, graduating literate citizens, not just active citizens, is another out-of-date metric employed by wooly-headed professors who know nothing about the real world.  Our nagging fear is that the only metric used to measure all things at Syracuse these days is the degree of fit with a 1960’s liberal ideology, which Chancellor Cantor polices with a vengeance.

    Robert McClure, Chapple Family Professor of Citizenship and Democracy Emeritus
    Jeff Stonecash, Maxwell Professor 

  • facultydiva

    That is what some of us refer to as “Veep Creep”.  On some campuses it may be “Associate Provost Creep” or some other administrative title variation.

  • gbjudge

    During Chancellor Cantor’s tenure at SU, full-time undergraduate enrollment has increased by 14.4% (from 12,128 in 2005 to 13,878 (est.) in 2011), and the growth of full-time faculty has increased by 11.5% (from 973 in 2005 to 1,085 in 2011). Also, Prof. Stonecash and McClure’s claims about a decreasing percentage of university revenues going to the academic mission of the schools and colleges is not accurate. Using most recent data, between fiscal years 2007 and 2011, gross tuition revenue increased by $103.3 million. This was offset by a financial aid increase of $58.7 million, resulting in new net tuition revenue totaling $44.6 million, a 13.3% increase.  During this time, school/college operational resources increased by $36.5 million, an 18% increase.  The remaining increase of $8.1 million has been available to fund other University expenditures.  As a result, 82% of the increase in new net tuition dollars during this time period was dedicated to school and college expenditures.
     
    Also, during the past five years, the reserves of the schools/colleges have increased by $21 million or 50%, to a total of $63.4 million, reflecting the priority the University has placed on the academic mission.  In addition, the University has built/constructed a very substantial amount of new academic facilities/space during this time, while keeping debt as a percentage of budget low and improving its already very strong credit rating.

    Gwenn Judge, Director, Office of Budget and Planning
    Syracuse University

  • licama

    Hoover makes an interesting but odd argument.  The premise of the piece is that any old metric will do and there is just a substitution of one for another.  The traditionalists cling to the old one and the new, enlightened people want a new one.  The latter position seems to be that the old metric had no relevance as an indicator of quality or excellence.  Everyone is the same so any metric is as good as another.  Given that everyone is the same, then let’s just distribute positions on the basis of identity.   The essence of the claim is that all students have essentially the same ability so we don’t need and cannot put too much stake in indicators of capability.  This means efforts to find such indicators is a futile effort because the measures have no validity.  It isn’t said, but if old metrics don’t matter for admission why do they matter beyond admission?   I suppose that striving for achievement and differentiation is also over-rated.  

    This is a comforting set of claims, but I wish there was some evidence (and not just a romantic democratic egalitarian notion) that students don’t vary in capability.  If we accept that all students are the same, then the only real goal is to match demographics, and with this logic Syracuse is surging and better because we are playing identity politics.  I guess those who buy into the virtues of identity politics will like this article.  

  • dale1

    Ms. Judge:

    Don’t confuse us with the facts; the faculty KNOW that the university administration is sucking up all the resources.  They just feel it in their bones that they aren’t getting the funding they want.

  • whynotwhynot

    Facts are great but beliefs matter more… That’s why the culture wars are so important… Problem is a culture around which facts are valued has yet to figure out how to assert itself… and supposing a culture like this could exist a lot of ugly realities will have to be confronted.

    Those who believe in facts feel that facts alone speak for themselves… that belief has consequences.

    People who want facts to hold more value are going to have to fight for that existence… Odds are they won’t though…

  • commserver

    What is the purpose of college education? Is it a stepping stone for getting a job or for knowledge?

    The original colleges were for the acquiring of knowledge. Very few people went to college, as opposed to today where it seems everyone wants to go to college.

    Today you have liberal arts schools where students are encouraged to learn. My daughter goes to William College which uses the 4-1-4 system. There is winter intersession where students are encouraged to take courses that they might not have considered taking.

    For job training then it is important to go to those institutions where students can be trained.

    My wife is from China. She has relative who has degree in Computer Technology but having a hard time getting job that is relevant. He was offerred job as telephone answerer answering general questions. How important was it getting college degree in Computer Technology if the job he has isn’t even related to the degree?

    My wife has friends whose children have similar experiences. There is one child who has degree in biology but the only job available was a salesperson for real estate. What a waste!!!!!

    The problem in China isn’t the degree but the job prospects. There are too many college graduates but too few jobs. The number of jobs that are being created is low in comparison to the number of college graduates evey year. It has been estimated that there will be around 6.6 million newly minted college graduates in China in 2011.

    http://www.econmatters.com/2011/07/college-graduates-too-many-in-china-not.html

    Look at the following

    Indeed, China is the largest developing country in the world far from being fully industrialized, and lacks the necessary infrastructure to properly place these highly educated young people. The nation owes much of its GDP (and therefore new jobs) to the manufacturing, industrial, and exporting sector, which mostly have more openings for blue collar workers instead of white collar jobs. There are simply more of them than jobs that they are qualified for, and the lack of affordable housing also has contributed to the “Ant Tribes” formation. Furthermore, due to the imbalance of social and economic development between urban and rural areas, ‘’Ant Tribes’ are clustered around major coastal regions like Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou, whereas rural areas, especially in the western regions, where work environment can be difficult, have a much higher demand for college graduates.

    It therefore seems that China simply doesn’t have the number of jobs available.

  • mycantarella

    This is a balanced response. I value that. Among my own observations are that upper class, predominantly white students who attend liberal arts colleges and major in whatever, ultimately rule the world. That is to say, the broad based skills they acquire provide them with the intellectual agility to navigate a changing work environment more easily and therefore progress with more options. Whereas the students who, primarily low-income, first generation and minority, coming from underperforming K-!2 environments are not only challenged by college but also are more invested in the linear career pathway. They then turn to highly vocational programs like medical coding, which while a useful skill, is not on a par with the broad skills learned as a history major who can then navigate many career paths using the research, communications, and critical thinking skills that major has provided. It would help considerably if we were to be more explicit in explaining to all students what the value is in the varied majors they may choose. Keep in mind that the canon of majors has not changed dramatically in 4 year schools while the array of careers available and embraced has. Furthermore few engage in careers that reflect their majors. How does that happen unless there is inherent value in the SKILLS gained. But in the current environment we need to speak to those skills. Faculty should know what their majors are doing with their degrees beyond the academy. More on this:
    The “Is College Worth it” Debate—Not a Debate Worth Having.
    icanfinishcollege.wordpress.com | Found via Marcia Cantarella
    http://icanfinishcollege.wordpress.com/
    Marcia Y. Cantarella, PhD, Author, I CAN Finish College: The Overcome Any Obstacle and Get Your Degree Guide

  • johnlehman

    In regard to the idea that “The original colleges were for the acquiring of knowledge,” this is an a-historical fantasy based on 19th century quarrels over educational policy in Great Britain.  Higher education, whether in Roman times or with the foundation of European universities in the middle ages, was vocational — the latter trained theologians, church and secular lawyers and administrators, and doctors.  Early American colleges were for the training of ministers and lawyers — later doctors.  They required large amounts of “liberal arts” because professionals needed to master the Latin (and later Greek) language and culture in which knowledge was expressed and professional life was carried out at the time.  At the same time, knowledge of classical languages and literature became a very strong social class marker. 

    With the rise of modern languages and science, utilitarians in the 19th century tried to reform higher education to better meet the needs of the modern world, and conservatives defended a focus on classical languages and literature as better meeting the needs of the British Empire as a “modern Rome,”  based on 19th century fantasies of a Graeco-Roman inspired government by letters-loving aristocrats rather than ambitious technocrats from the lower orders.  Hence the ideal of education for education’s sake — aimed at those who would never actually need to work for a living, but might condescend to lead and administer the country for the good of all.In the Chinese case, one of the complicating factors is that the number of each major at each university each year is still centrally determined, so this sort of input-output analysis goes on informally all the time.  I have been involved with Chinese higher education ever since I was a Chinese language major studying in Taiwan in 1970, and both the sociology and politics of education in China is very different from the US.

  • gloverparker

    Although it has been a facet of analysis for many years now, the quantification -in economic terms- of the “value-added” of bringing international students to the U.S. continues to trouble me.  The fact that these students contribute an estimated $20 billion to the U.S. economy is viewed as one of the principal rationales for legislators to support the internationalization of their local colleges and universities.  Of course, who would not support a new revenue stream into a state’s economy these days?  On the other hand, the increased numbers from anywhere other than friendly Western nations also raise fears of competition from our new Asian “competitors” – India and China. How dare  we use our academic infrastructure to train talent to build those economies especially when more and more good and services have been outsourced to these emerging markets!  And the wheel turns round and round…

  • dator

    I attended the Penang Conference, and you captured its spirit very well. I was enormously surprised  by and pleased with what almost all of the speakers said. I expected something much different–much more narrow, instrumental, and boring–and was delighted to hear most speakers from very different parts of the world say that (and show how) higher education should and could be more related to social justice than to economic development alone

  • Socratease2

    “That may be speculative.”

    Come on, now, this “thesis” is way more than speculative, it is about three degrees of separation past speculative. Not commenting on the “trust vs. income” argument specifically but I can’t believe a paper can be published with that level of evidence. It is interesting but completely and utterly unproven. Why not surmise that states with large income gaps have poor education systems that leave students unprepared for college and therefore likely to turn to paper mills for their “research papers.”  Hell, why not say that 12 trillion years ago Zenu threw aliens into earth volcanos and blew them up, leaving a toxic mental residue over these particular states that creates a penchant for cheating. wish I could publish research that jumps from A to Z with no need for credibility.

  • nampman

    and yet, there are differences in cheating that parallel the differences in inequality in each state. If it were solely a matter of culture, there would not be this relationship. I agree with you that there are individual differences in morality but we should not discount other variables (even surprising ones) that may have an impact.

  • nampman

    I also remember this in the Psychology literature.

  • nampman

    Read the paper before making such a comment. It is well written and does not overstep the evidence.

  • arlee

    Let’s not get off onto another misdirected path to explain bad behavior: I lived in an urban area; I don’t live in an urban area; my father beat my mother; my mother beat my father; they both beat me; I ate too many twinkies, too much red meat, too little citrus, not enough protein, too many carbs;  I have a learning disability; I’m the middle child; I’m victim of a bully; I am a bully; my parents don’t care about school; I have helicopter parents. 

    Sometimes, just sometimes the student is ill-prepared through her/ his own fault, is lazy just because he/she can get away with it, or is learning from the general culture that it’s ok to cheat as long as you don’t get caught.  And when those are the issues the cures are discipline, reward for hard work, and enforcing consequences for bad behavior.

  • nampman

    So your support for the just world hypothesis should trump data? That is true laziness.

  • idajones

    I briefly refer to one study in a blog post (http://idajones.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/have-money-will-cheat/): some of the findings were that cheating occurred more with students who did NOT need financial aid, members of fraternities and sororities and with international students.  It may be cultural. It’s certainly frustrating, especially when it has been either undetected or unde-sanctioned.

  • amy_l

    If there are correlations between two things, why *wouldn’t* you want to know that?  It can help you intervene more effectively.  For example, if levels of trust correlate with amount of cheating, then universities in states with high levels of distrust could do things to increase trust (like honor codes or whatever).  If all we think is that students are “lazy”, and we have no idea what caused that laziness, we’re more limited in what we can do.  Why would we purposely avoid knowledge?

  • Socratease2

    So, you are saying the argument is not solely based on a correlation between web site searches and reported state income gaps? The paper may be well written but that does not change the level of evidence involved. It is not even based on the rates of actual downloading and submission of fraudulent papers, merely on web searches. That is like saying states that have more web searches on bulk fertilizer purchases are more likely to have increased levels of domestic terrorism. The author of the article is seriously confused when he says:

    “Lukas Neville, a doctoral student at Queen’s University in Ontario, reports in the latest issue of Psychological Science that there’s more evidence of academic dishonesty in U.S. states with
    bigger gaps between the rich and the poor.”

    Excuse me? I still have not seen any evidence. People can speculate all day long, just don’t publish the results as evidence of anything. What did said student measure out as other possible correlations that could confound data? It is much more likely that multiple variables are at play here not just one. But, hey, people with only a hammer will always find that tool to be the one they choose as best.

  • Socratease2

    Sounds good but why are you spending valuable time and money to intervene based on a correlation? You won’t be managing the finances long if you create policy based on what might be true but might also be completely false. In summer months both consumption of ice cream and drownings increase proportionally. Guess by banning ice cream sales in July and August we will slash the numbers of drowning victims, sounds like good policy as well.

  • vincentm

    Does anyone know of an honest poll of faculty, and what percentage of faculty admits to cheating during their studies?

  • http://www.facebook.com/PurpleTigerProduction Claude Richardson

    IMHO… Students cheat when they know they can get away with it, has little to do with money. While income disparities may make different forms or levels of cheating available to some, I believe it has more to do with the integrity of the system in elementary and secondary education institutions, and the impact that coddling of the cheating student has on the individuals academic ability and growth. 
    Instructors/teachers are pressured to “pass” students, at any price, just to keep their jobs. It also has a lot to do with teachers not having the time or resource to teach other than to the test (due to the weight standardized testing carries). If a student is caught cheating, are they disciplined with an “F”? no. They might go visit the principal, write an essay, maybe have a chat between the parents and teacher. But then again, all the student has to do is cry abuse or discrimination, or some other keyword and the teacher is “investigated”. 
    In any case, the “F” student passes, and the trend continues into college. (they can cheat by paying someone to take their entrance exams, ACT, & SAT tests too) and into the work force.

  • flhunterj

    Or research that looks at the percent of faculty that decide to reeport such academic dishonesty. Side note: I wonder if the research considered the influence of distance learning programs on the Google data. I know this throws an allen ranch in analysis but you can’t discount this influence. In addition a comment above brought up a good point considering income and the type of cheating which would indicate a huge problem in higher education (You failed this course not because you cheated but because you didn’t have the financial resources to cheat with getting caught).

  • klwi3329

    I tend to believe that the research Fischman cites is very real. I also agree that the media has distorted the real picture. Here are my reasons for cheating:

    1. I believe the material is irrelevant to my life; it doesn’t matter.
    2. Expectations are unrealistic and I won’t do it, but I still want the grade.
    3. I see the moneychangers (via the media) make vast amounts of money for something that contributes nothing to society, and I want mine too.
    4. We don’t see the cheaters going to jail. I conclude the odds are in my favor.
    5. The glorification of wealth makes me feel small and insignificant. I want to impress the world.
    6. Money buys everything – influence, nice things, a gated haven, travel. It doesn’t buy happiness? I’ll take my chances.

  • 11269856

    I have not found this to be the case at all. I have never encountered more cheating than at the big state university where I now teach and the income levels here are not at all disparate. I would look more at the disparity between the professors’ and the students’ class and educational backgrounds. In cases where the course seems to demand more than the students are prepared or able to do (and their level of preparedness is sinking dramatically), they tend to resort to downloading papers or assignments.  I think the movement of young faculty from the more privileged graduate programs out to areas of the country with poor public schools actually leads to more cheating, sadly. 

  • bernardjsmith

     I don’t think the issue is whether there is less or more income disparity in the college or university Is there really much income disparity within a 2 or 4 year college?) but whether there is more or less disparity within the state. Wilkinson and his colleagues’  work looking at stress, health disparities, violence and crime and even longevity seems to suggest strong correlations with income disparities. (see The Spirit Level, for example) 

  • bookishone

    Income inequality has increased in the US in tandem with the changes you’re decrying.