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Decoding the Language of Financial Aid

October 27, 2011, 12:52 pm

New York—Sometimes it seems like financial-aid administrators have their own language. To make matters worse, words that mean one thing in regular conversation can mean something entirely different in the financial-aid office. C. Anthony Broh, principal of Broh Consulting Services and a former registrar, gave a few examples at a session of the College Board Forum here on Thursday.

Take, for example, “the sacred cow: Expected Family Contribution,” Mr. Broh said. The word “contribution,” he said, might lead families to believe that this term is related to university development. Besides, he added, “If a contribution is given voluntarily, what’s an expected contribution?”

Nothing in the term suggests what it is: a calculated measure of what a family can (supposedly) afford to spend on higher education.

Mr. Broh presented a different framework he has developed for describing financial-aid in consumer-friendly terms, like “calculated ability to pay.”

Duke University has also tried to help families understand financial-aid terminology. Alison Rabil, the university’s financial-aid director, shared a student-made video her office uses to show how the process works at Duke. You can watch it here.

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  • http://profiles.google.com/brohammas Dalyn Montgomery

    You just stole a page out of my mental nnotebook.
    Especially on subjects that affect the masses, as opposed to just academia, I have long thought that writing in coded or too specific terminology usually renders the piece useless to any except a key few who are clued in to specific terminology. Usually the ones who don’t understand are the ones who would gain the most from the messages in the writing… if that message was worded toward them.
    I suppose it all boils down to the ultimate goal of whatever is being written. Is it to spark change and learning in the populace, or further research. Both are great but not the same.

  • marktropolis

    Interesting that you just spoke of Manning Marable the other day. I’ve always seen him as someone who is skilled at bridging the divide. While he was producing heavy-duty history in his books, he also for many years had a weekly newspaper column. He had the capacity to both speak to the theory crowd, as well as the (for lack of a better word) common crowd, the folks who read the paper in the barbershop.

  • patrick_murtha

    “Theory can be a wonderful way to explain our ideas and direct our thinking but the language we use to explain theory and apply theory to history should not complicate historical writing in ways that make it inaccessible and frankly unreadable.”

    I agree with this 100% and offer my applause. I am not against complexity, but I have a bit of a problem with “priestly codes,” which is what much of academic-style writing amounts to.

  • 11261897

    A number of years ago there was an article in the CHRONICLE contending that history and historical scholarship were the last bastions of narrative, taking over from literary scholarship which had largely sold out to theory. It’d be a shame if history at last succumbed, for a decent piece of scholarship should be accessible to any informed reader. Yes, the specialist will gain more, but the knowledgeable lay reader should take away something of interest/value as well.

  • 22132550

    I’m not sure how one does untheorized history. When one “does” history, selection of information and choice of perspective are always involved, which implies organizing principles based on specific values – i.e., theory.

  • amcleod6

    One other way of looking at the issue of making written history inaccessible because of the sometimes overwhelming presence and language of theory is that mainstream readers now more than ever can easily opt to ignore (even avoid) such writing altogether because today they have such increased access to artifacts, records, and other sources (through digitization) that they are literally writing history themselves. One area in which this is hugely the case is genealogy. Literally, each day access to historical information increases exponentially through various ambitious digitization projects (see for instance The Virginia Freedmen Project, which has made the entire set of Freedmen’s Bureau records for Virginia available online.) Genealogists, among many others, are accessing these records and writing (blogging about them) rather than waiting on university historians to get around to the topics that are important to them.

    All of this is to say that here’s yet another reason why university-trained historians, if they wish to be relevant at all to the public, must adjust to the revolution that is Web 2.0 and digitization.

  • puretoo

    Theory and simplicity needn’t be antithetical. Parsimony is a characteristic of good theory. If you find that theorizing makes work inaccessible or unreadable, find better theory.

  • darccity

    The thing about bosses from hell is that they could care less about you or any other individual they treat badly. Thus, long before you can ever begin plotting your freedom or revenge, one of the many other victims will almost certainly see their opportunity before you (due to the law of large numbers).

    In addition, these bosses don’t stay anyplace too long (if only because the number of victims eventually reaches critical mass). A boss’ goal is to take credit for the accomplishments of their subordinates and then move on and up just when their “accomplishments” look rosiest (and before the sealing wax holding the ship together melts). So the biggest damage from a bad boss is the mess they leave behind — irretrievable losses and layoffs.

  • jonny53

    I’m 54 yrs old. I’ve had 46 bosses over my lifetime. My advice is, “do what your told, What you were told too do.” Enjoy your time off, work sucks!

  • facultydiva

    csmith52175 is in higher ed and has had b***hy female bosses but has never seen an incompetent male one?  Hard to fathom.

  • 11236504

    Being in such a situation currently, and deciding even in this economy to walk away, my only reason for discussing matters in a professional and factually documented fashion with other offices in power to have an impact is to hopefully improve the environment of the institution and to maybe raise awareness when it happens to the next person, as I am sure it will.  To say nothing and walk away is sometimes the only option, and while I dreaded every conversation in my current workplace, I do leave feeling as tho’ I have done all I can to start breaking what appears to be a cycle of behavior by one individual… just wish I had not left a high paying job with security to be lied to and stabbed repeatedly in the back!  This has been one of my worst employment experiences and I hope it is not related to our current economic woes. 

  • 22185161

    I was in a similar situation last year. Luckily, I had enough money in the bank to tie me over for a full year. I found a new position in five months where I report to a boss who is absolutely wonderful and with whom I am in absolute sync. I had to move to another state to find it, but I am happier now than I have been in a long time. It is scary to voluntarily leave employment with no prospects of future employment, but it is worth it. Good luck to you, 11236504; I have been where you are, and please know that there is life — and it can be a good life — after a bad boss.

  • aebrownson

    I have to admit that after leaving a job because of a horrible boss, I wrote a detailed letter to the board detailing why I left, chapter and verse.I wasn’t the first person who left that organization because of the boss. Turns out I was the last person to leave, however. The boss was fired 3 months later, only to be replaced by another just like him, from what I hear. Turns out it’s the board that is toxic.

  • rp1953retired

    More than once I have worked for bosses who were not only horrible but incompetent, immoral, and dishonest to boot..   Everyone in the institution seemed to be aware of the situation.   I concluded that these bosses must have known something so damning about someone on the Board,  or possibly the president,  that the situation was allowed to continue.  (My fantasy is that the horrible boss possessed the negatives to photos taken at the annual administrative orgy)  Either that or academic administrators are remarkably gutless.  In either case,  I’m glad to have retired.

  • http://twitter.com/elindiotacuate Arnulfo Gillardi

    Those Incunabula tricksters really got me. I was hooked on those materials, and deep inside I wondered, could this be true? It was only recently I read it was all an ARG. To be honest, I was kind of sad to learn that…

  • arrive2__net

    So, maybe campfire stories grew into a sort of elaborate crowd-sourced combination of literature and experiential games on the internet?  Legend-Tripping would seem to cultivate the creativity and adventurism of many, and perhaps for some serve as a sort of rite of passage.  Certainly, a worthwhile research topic, exploring what is perhaps a “not so brightly lit” side of contemporary society.  If the Legend-Tripping crosses cultures, perhaps it is something that serves to bring people and cultures together. 

    Bart Schuster
    Arrive2.net
    Twitter.com/arrive2_net

  • civilprof

    Nice video by Duke.  I noted it never mentioned $.  Can’t a university even state unequivocally the price tag of tuition? The answer is “no”, and this is systemic across the industry of higher education.  I know of a case of a large public R1 institution that could not clearly state the price of tuition until JUNE before entry of students in AUGUST.  Unbelievably incompetent situation.  

  • lexalexander

    Speaking as a 1-person communications office, I can understand why the video didn’t specify cost: You don’t want to have to remake or re-edit the video every year when the process the video explains stays more or less the same year to year.

    I found Duke’s 2011-12 undergrad figure of $57,180 from a standing start in about 1.5 seconds by Googling “cost of attendance” site:duke.edu. As my 13-year-old daughter wishes to go to Duke, this is disturbing … but not hard to find.

  • http://twitter.com/ATHNET AthleticScholarships

    Fantastic Video showing the educational side of financial aid now I would love to see someone come out and explain the athletic aid side of the scholarship equation.  Many families don’t understand nor take time to realize the real costs included in a college education even when a scholarship is on the table.

  • lagapalidou

    How about a word on FA for international applicants>

  • hieddigger

    Another official attempts to close the barn door.  The President of our institution makes clear each year that he will not tolerate cases of physical and sexual abuse.  He did not wait for another institution to have a problem to make stopping abuse a CEO priority.

  • butteredtoastcat

    There may be more to the story:

    Penn State coach accused of pimping out boys to rich donors

    Mark Madden, a Pittsburgh sports reporter and radio personality, claims
    that Jerry Sandusky used his Second Mile charity to pimp out young boys
    for rich donors.

    Mark Madden, a radio personality on 105.9 The X went on WEEI in Boston
    and added more flames the fire at Penn State. He claimed that Jerry
    Sandusky used his charity, Second Mile Foundation, to pimp out young
    boys for rich Penn State donors.

    Read more: http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/ne…#ixzz1dLnBoFzy

  • jffoster

    I suggest the NCAA’s having chimed in may be a crass attempt to exploit this situation for their own ends. NCAA is losing power and respect. They have some absolutely idiotic rules, they have no control over the conference shifting going on, they have precious little control over the BCS system, and are terrified of losing control over the March basketball playoffs.  So they try to assert some authority in this case.

  • 11250382

    What does this say about the characters of these men? All of those involved. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/lymanhager Mary Ann Lyman-Hager

    The Penn State scandal is far different from others that have emerged in recent times. The adherence to the unspoken rule of taking matters just to the next level up (and not breaking rank or violating the chain of command) seems to have been in operation at PSU.(Then)  graduate student McQueary took it to coach Paterno, who took it to Althletic Director Curley, who took it to President Spanier (or am I leaving someone out here?) In a democratic society, this is not a good model for correcting abuses.  There are too many possibilities for someone to drop the ball  Social media may have a role to play in flattening the hierarchy and revealing injustices and crimes when they occur, not leaving the process to chance discovery (or deep sixing) by someone in the “chain of command.”

  • renellin

    Really? Is the whole controversy between these two about how fancy a college you attended? I might expect anything from a politician, but a professor using as his excuse to trash his opponent’s opinions is because he attended a community college 50 years ago is downright shameful.

  • jeff_winger

    I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that like the professor, most of us have little or no respect for anyone in congress.
    A more inept, greedy, self-indulgent, unabashedly-ignorant, and politically-myopic group of people would be hard to find outside of the stock market floor or the walls of a Wall Street office.

  • tee_bee

    I’d take Brinkley more seriously if (1) he didn’t come off like a pompous ass here [Don Young can handle that on his own, thanks] and (2) if he was a good historian.

  • soonerdgs

    In your 2nd paragraph, are you the the describing congressman or the professor?  

    Dr. Brinkley didn’t even give the Congressman the opportunity to acknowledge his mistake before the esteemed professor jumped all over him, immediately going for the arrogant, lower-than-me thrashing about his education.  Unfortunately Dr. Rice, um…. Brinkley showed himself to be the self-indulgent, unabashedly arrogant one in the room.

  • renellin

    You’re not really furthering the conversation, though, and the subject is serious. If you just want to go around berating politicians, there are plenty of forums for that. To say his education isn’t good enough because of once attending a community college is a slap in the face to quite a lot more people. Sound personal? My daughter, a Harvard law student, began her college career at a community college. I’m with tee_bee: he’s probably not much of a professor either.

  • soonerdgs

    Renellin – couldn’t agree with you more.  Young may have been in congress for almost 40 years, but before that he worked in construction, fishing, trapping & gold mining – and even captained a tugboat.  (ps I got this from wikipedia, knowing it would drive the elitist academics crazy)  I’ d guess that most Americans would say he’s done more with his life than the esteemed Dr from Rice who’s resume is to have written a bunch of books.

  • _perplexed_

    I suppose the good news for us is that in several places around the world, but not in the US, Douglas Brinkley would have been shot for a performance like this.

  • drspektor

    Representative Young certainly made a fool of himself in this exchange.  Telling an invited speaker  to be quiet as he did – totally disrespectful.  Rep. Young should listen to those who know mare than he does.   Dr. Brinkley should have got up and walked out.

  • George Schwarz

    From the Amarillo Independent:

    The Cowards of an Arrogant CongressTuesday, 22 November 2011 11:11 |  |  | If the citizens of the United States needed any more evidence that our national government is broken, we need look no further than this week’s news that the George mug-colorso-called congressional supercommittee has failed to agree on deficit reduction and taxes. And, they fiddled while Washington burned.This august (That’s sarcasm, folks.) group of legislators, supported by millions of tax dollars for their salaries, their staffs’ salaries and all of the perquisites that go along with being members of Congress, could not reach an agreement to rein in spending and increase revenue. The Christian Science Monitor has a great summary of the situation here and the Washington Post has a graphic telling us more about this entire dirty dozen who are an insult to our democracy and besmirch the name of representative government by kicking the can down the road once more. They are a gutless group more interested in protecting themselves than serving the people. Texans have a representative on this 12-member congressional body that is a failure. He is Rep. Jeb Hensarling, a Republican representing District 5 in East Texas.And we the people pay their salary.Which brings us to another piece of congressional arrogance that brings far more credit to Texas than the discredit that Hensarling brings to our fair state.In a video that has by now surely gone viral, Dr. Douglas Brinkley, a Rice University history professor, stands up to Alaska Republican Rep. Donald Young and, ultimately, to Natural Resources Committee Chairman Richard “Doc” Hastings. By the way, a review of a variety of sites attempting to track down credentials that justified the nickname of “Doc” Hastings resulted in no evidence for such an honorific title. Once again, we see the duplicity of a politician.During the hearing, as several sources (here and here) report, Brinkley stood up to Young and Hastings despite both of their attempts to discount him. Hastings’ assertion that Brinkley destroyed the comity of Congress is the height of hypocrisy.A website based in Houston chided Brinkley for interrupting, labeling Brinkley’s behavior a major breach of protocol. However, somehow and some way, the citizenry needs to send a lesson to the plutocracy in Congress: “You are not better than we are. We pay your salaries. You work for us. You owe us the respect that one would give an employer.”As I conducted research for this commentary, I couldn’t help but notice the resources poured into the construction of congressional websites for both individual members of Congress and, for example, theNatural Resources Committee. No wonder incumbency is so powerful.The election next year is critical. Congress is rotting, filled with deadwood corrupted to the core. Honesty and integrity have become empty words. We the people are on the precipice of being no more than an empty slogan.I pray that by next year every congressional district and Senate seat will offer voters a choice between an incumbent and challenger. I hope the challengers win and if we throw a few babies out with the bathwater in order to clean house, so be it.

  • George Schwarz

    If the citizens of the United States needed any more evidence that our national government is broken, we need look no further than this week’s news that the so-called congressional supercommittee has failed to agree on deficit reduction and taxes. And, they fiddled while Washington burned.

    This august (That’s sarcasm, folks.) group of legislators, supported by millions of tax dollars for their salaries, their staffs’ salaries and all of the perquisites that go along with being members of Congress, could not reach an agreement to rein in spending and increase revenue. The Christian Science Monitor has a great summary of the situation here and
    the Washington Post has a graphic telling us more about this entire dirty dozen
    who are an insult to our democracy and besmirch the name of representative
    government by kicking the can down the road once more. They are a gutless group
    more interested in protecting themselves than serving the people. Texans have a
    representative on this 12-member congressional body that is a failure. He is Rep. Jeb
    Hensarling, a Republican representing District 5 in East Texas.

    And we the people pay their salary.

    Which brings us to another piece of congressional arrogance that brings far more credit to Texas than the discredit that Hensarling brings to our fair state.

    In a video that has by now surely gone viral, Dr. Douglas Brinkley, a Rice University
    history professor, stands up to Alaska Republican Rep. Donald Young and, ultimately, to Natural Resources Committee Chairman Richard “Doc” Hastings. By the way, a review of a variety of sites attempting to track down credentials that justified the nickname of
    “Doc” Hastings resulted in no evidence for such an honorific title. Once again, we see the duplicity of a politician.

    During the hearing, as several sources report, Brinkley stood up to Young and Hastings despite both of their attempts to discount him. Hastings’ assertion that Brinkley destroyed the comity of Congress is the height of hypocrisy.

    A website based in Houston chided Brinkley for interrupting, labeling Brinkley’s behavior a major breach of protocol. However, somehow and some way, the citizenry needs to send a
    lesson to the plutocracy in Congress: “You are not better than we are. We pay your salaries. You work for us. You owe us the respect that one would give an employer.”

    As I conducted research for this commentary, I couldn’t help but notice the resources poured into the construction of congressional websites for both individual members of Congress and, for example, theNatural Resources Committee. No wonder incumbency is so powerful.

    The election next year is critical. Congress is rotting, filled with deadwood corrupted to the core. Honesty and integrity have become empty words. We the people are on the precipice of being no more than an empty slogan.

    I pray that by next year every congressional district and Senate seat will offer voters a choice between an incumbent and challenger. I hope the challengers win and if we throw a few babies out with the bathwater in order to clean house, so be it.

  • soonerdgs

    Are you kidding me?  The fool in the room was Brinkley. He didn’t even give Young the chance to correct himself before he was denigrating the Congressman for having attended Yuba Community College.   The citizens of this country may attribute arrogance and elitism to how  Congress works, but Brinkley proved himself to me cut of the same elitist fabric.  

  • nacrandell

    The chairman handled it poorly, however as it is a House of Representative committee they are both of the same party:

    1. The congressman should have been told to tone down his remarks without shifting responsibility to the professor, and

     2. The chairman should not have threatened the professor with removal. – What’s next, cite the professor for contempt of Congress and jail him?

    Remember Oliver North’s attorney’s remark to a zealous committee member? – “Senator, I am not a potted plant.”

  • laischron

    Dr. Brinkley is a distinguished scholar whose motivation and whose contributions related to US natural resources and the health of the planet are to be warmly applauded.  That he stands up for something of inherent value that runs contrary to the foolish, short-term, self-interest of those who lick the booths of corporate America such as the blight on Congressman Young, yet another ignorant and arrogant elected Alaskan official, is to me an act of courage and insight.  Yes, the argument got heated and off track, but the fundamental issue of the mindless Palin-like “drill baby drill” ideology that the Congressman evidenced should not be driven into the background. Drilling in ANWR would be both stupid and virtually valueless to the US given the amount of oil & gas the US uses daily and the total that ANWR would yield. What would ANWR give us? Enough for perhaps 6 months to serve our national ill-advised consumptive excess? The undefended claim by the esteemed Congressman that only 3000 acres would be involved fails to see the interconnected nature of natural systems and precisely how much needless damage could be done to serve such narrow corporate interest of such limited value.

    I commend the courage and wisdom of Dr. Brinkley.  I am ashamed of Cngressman Young.  Indeed, Congress as a whole is imploding, being devoured by corporate America and narrow mined people who should and indeed do know better if they have eyes oi see.  Education has failed Congress and it has failed our nation.  We need many, many more Douglas Brinkley’s.  We do not need a single additional Congressman Young.

    ABS
    Professor Emeritus
    Golden, Colorado

  • soonerdgs

    You use your disdain for the subject of drilling in ANWAR as a shield to protect Brinkley’s vanity. Brinkley may be revered as a distinguished scholar amongst those of you with Ph.Ds, but he comes across on video to the rest of us as an arrogant elitist when he implied that a community college education made the Congressman to be an educational unequal.    

    So, just curious… when a student offers a differing opinion in the classroom, do such distinguished colleagues sneer at them, then impune their lack of educational pedigree.  Is that what higher eduction has become? Its interesting how those who are supposed to be so open to the thought of discussion and debate can appear so closed-minded and colored.

  • drspektor

    Looked to me like Rep. Young fired the first shot.   I think that Young purposely called Dr. Brinkley “Mr. Rice” just to goad him.
    And personally, I would prefer to be represented by Congress members who are well-educated.

  • 22020476

    Respect must go both ways.  Most of the comments here are disregarding the fact that Young referred to Brinkley’s testimony as “garbage”.  That’s what instigated the exchange.  That was downright rude and uncalled for, and Young deserved what he got.  The chair was in error to only criticize Brinkley.  He should have asked Young to tone it down as well.

  • jffoster

    And do I detect a little disdain for Ph Ds and anybody who would imply that there might be better educations than community colleges generally provide? 

    I am inclined to favor drilling in restricted areas in the Refuge. However, while  ABS (laischron) above does not tell us what he is professor emeritus of, I note his residence in Golden.  If he’s a “wramblin wreck from Golden Tech”, i.e. the Colorado School of Mines, it is very possible he knows more about it than either a cc graduate of years ago or a current history professor at Rice Institute, and I’d be inclined to give his views considerable attention and consideration.

    BTW, I thought from the tape / tube clip that both the Congressman from Alaska and the History Professor from Rice were way out of line.

  • mikelutz

    Drilling in ANWR would be one of the most intelligent things this nation could do. Only a smidgen of the refuge is up for drilling, and it could (along with the pipeline from Canada and natural gas extraction) go far to reducing our dependence on foreign energy sources. And yes, I know Canada is “foreign” but not in the way of Middle Eastern kleptocracies and their ilk.

    Something tells me, though, that ABS, whoever he or she is, expects that it is others who will suffer the consequences (along the lines of other grandees and hypocrites like Al Gore and Tom Friedman). Brinkley’s sinecure at Rice similarly shields him from the consequences of his own recommendations.

  • mikelutz

    I happen to agree with this in terms of civility. I also believe that the congressman’s experience and opinions are based on his experiences on the ground, not pontificating. There is a need for both informed research and pragmatic knowledge in discussing energy policy – I do wish Young and Brinkley had remembered that before, during, and after their exchange.

  • mseifter

    Congressman Young’s sorry behavior at this hearing is symptomatic of the garbage that we Americans are coming to accept as legitimately representing our interests in government, and damn all alternatives. In dismissing him as the ill-tempered fool that he undoubtedly is, we should reflect, on this Day of Thanks, that he did not land in Congress via a spaceship from Mars, but WE ELECTED HIM, much like all those good Germans in 1933 elected the little housepainter  Young is representative of the general run of parochial, intolerant, bigoted, no-nothing (and proud to be so, dammit!) politicians who are being floated by the GOP this year, because, simply, Party heads are terrified of supporting anyone of intelligence, moderation, reasoning power, and compromise, lest their parochial, bigoted, intolerant and NO-NOTHING electorate, hooked in to the Goebbels-like hatred-stoking of Beck and Limbaugh, will dump them as a party and split off to ensure Obama’s re-election in 2012. Americans have always been like this; intolerant of other peoples’ opinion, short-fused, violent, racist, sexist and committed to milking this country of whatever wealth it possessed, and then throwing the refuse in a great big landfill, to let someone else clean up the mess. You don’t believe me, read Alexis de Tocqueville’s still-right on “Democracy in America”: democracy, that is, for white Christian male adults exclusively.

  • darccity

    Young is one of the very worst in Congress, whether measured by incompetence, corruption, partisanship, or ideology. He is practically the only congressman that Alaska has ever had. That may be alright for a state that has a negative tax rate and that receives far more federal funds per capita than any other state, but he’s certainly no asset to America or the planet. Great to see these folks defend him.

  • darccity

    Brinkley is a wonderful scholar. Have any of you guys tried testifying before this kangaroo court? Brinkley knew that the deck was stacked. Remember that Congressmen are protected against saying anything that would otherwise get them sued. Think about the context, please!

  • drspektor

    Ah, you resort to personal insults.  So be it.  But I will not respond in kind.  However, I will stand by my comment.  That is not arrogance nor is it ignorance.  I must say that I enjoyed your foray into reductio ad absurdum, though.  You know, since I made no mention of any of those gentleman.  

  • drspektor

    Oh, you mean like when you called me a twit?  ;-)

  • drspektor

    And that was my point earlier in the thread – Rep. Young started this, and then continued with his derisive remarks about “ivory tower” academics.  Brinkley did get a bit carried away, but heck, I think many of us would have as well if someone who was likely unfamiliar with our body of work called it all “garbage”.    To quote Yosemite Sam, “Them thar’s fightin’ words!!”.

  • drspektor

    Why are so cranky towards so many people?

  • darccity

    From Field of Dreams: “Well, there’s an intelligent response.” I suggest that lifelong bullies like Mike should back up his radical views. Simply sign over all future social assistance for himself and his decendants when the planet’s climate moves beyond the point of no return. And I do wish him a very, very long life, and mankind a long memory about folks like him.

  • darccity

    “We” didn’t elect him. Alaskans did. Mr. Young serves the majority of Alaskans well (as long as they don’t care about the next generation). He rapes and plunders the planet and gets lots of subsidies from citizens in the lower 48. Resource-rich regions (Saudis, Libyans, Alaskans, Texan) don’t need to invest in their residents, so they don’t. Sarah Palin had to attend colleges in Idaho and Hawaii to graduate (if communications is considered a college degree). Mr. Young avoided that problem by never getting a college degree.

  • mseifter

    To darccity):

    Points taken. Then, the good citizens of Alaska, Sarah Palin’s people, owe the nation for this mark of Cain on their collective forehead. Otherwise, my opinions stand: the politician who represents a particular constituency, speaks for that constituency, or, in our little system here, he/she is increasingly liable to lose his/her job. Increasingly, politically disaffected Americans seem to be advancing extremist, intolerant-of-compromise political mandates on their respective Senators or Congresspeople, since they feel that the System has failed them and if they do not speak up at once, their will shall be completely forgotten, and Biblical darkness will descend on the faithful… Inevitably this recourse to extremist, unreasoning voices, uncompromising, one-way only messages by the Vox populi directed at their political representatives ends in general system paralysis and breakdown on the national level. Is this really what we want, people screaming at one another, with the amount of bandwidth given to each other’s media spokesmen being the deciding point as to what in the end prevails as national policy?

    Saudi and the other resource-rich (or even resource poor) Middle Eastern rentier state despotisms do not need to curry the intelligence or the responsible views of their respective populations, although in the wake of regimes going down in Tunisia, Egypt (at least the despot figureehead there), Libya and Yemen, the little kings and lieutenants and feudal baron gangsters who rule throughout this region are increasingly whistling as they walk past the graveyard. Their time is coming too, the Asads and the Abdallahs and even the Akhmadinedjads and Kameneis realize all too well. But in America, we have chosen to at least rhetorically operate by a different political and social standard, that of the Lockean social contract between rulers and ruled. Those who aspire to rule in our country cannot (theoretically) dare to presume to rule in behalf, only, of some small vested interest which fills their pockets with favors owed them exclusively, and monies in payment of. At least, this is the presumption of democracy, no matter how little these theories have traveled from the documents of our Founding Fathers to the muck of practical politics. Those who rule must rule in behalf of, and to benefit, le peuple entier, not on the foolish and self-deceiving wish and a prayer of Tea Party moroni, who want to give over the farm to those already glutted with privilege, power and money, on the slim chance that In Gratitude, this same elite will throw some jobs down the hill for the rest of us poor slobs. The other side of the political contract, and this implemented by that great hoary genius of compromise in the nineteenth century, Henry Clay (who nearly singlehandedly prevented the Civil War from being fought in the1820s rather than in the 1860s) comes to the nearly forgotten-especially by Know Nothing Republicans and the Tea Party tin hat brigade-art of compromise, of treating your opponent in the highest levels of government with respect and decency, looking for possibilities of agreement rather than aavenues for controversy and aggression.

    This Lockean Social Contract has, I feel, been forgotten by the GOP un-worthies, who are coming to shelter themselves in the outposts of racism, sexism, caving to empty, bloviated rhetoric, and like emotions. In so doing, these people are betraying their patriotism, and endangering the welfare of our people, OUR AMERICAN PEOPLE, ONE AND UNITED. The GOP, and their tin-hat allies, and the lobbyists and hatred-stoking media that keeps all afloat on a continuous effluvia of nonsense and recrimination, are revealing themselves as the real traitors in our midst.

  • soonerdgs

    So graduating from a community college isn’t a description of being well-educated.  Or even moving on and getting a bachelor’s degree, as Congressman Young did?  

    What a narrow-minded view that people have to have a Ph.D. to be considered well-educated.  My guess is that most soccer moms, or small business persons, and other ordinary Americans (without a Ph.D.) could do better than most of the “well-educated” elitists already there.

  • soonerdgs

    The only disdain is reflected towards a person who implies that they are better than others  because of their education. One may have more education or more degrees, but that doesn’t make them “better”.  And I think that is what Dr. Brinkley was doing – attacking Young because of his inferior education and lack of educational pedigree.  

    And yes, they were both out of line. Neither should have treated or been treated with such disdain.  Both should be equally embarrassed by their words.   

  • solidagojuncea

    As former Alaskan Tom Bodett pointed out, Rep. Young provides an essential function for his constituents.  When Young runs for reelection every two years, his reappearance on television reminds Alaskans that it is time to pump their septic tanks.

  • _perplexed_

    I remain thankful that in the US, unlike too many places, a man like Young does not have the authority to permantly silence those who he doesn”t like.

  • katisumas

    I basicaly agree with your main point, except that there are some fine institutions of higher learning in Alaska (I guess you’ve never heard of the University of Alaska?). 

    I am also dismayed that you and others who are  concerned about the decimation of our world’s resource actually seem to believe that if Congressman Young had a college degree or even a PhD from Harvard, he would have be different person.  Oh he might have couched his opinions in fancier words (as so many people who are opposed to any measure to try to slow  down global warming  do), but he still would be (pardon my French) a slime bucket.

    Oh and do you really believe that Sarah Palin would have been a different person if for instance she’d majored in philosophy instead of communication?  And yes, communication is a college degree.  You can get a Phd in it.  Actually, you’d be surprised to find out that some of us  find that getting some knowledge of human communication is  a crucially important endeavor.  

     I suspect  that when it comes to communication sciences. you and Congressman  Young might actually be on the same page.

  • Socratease2

    “What a narrow-minded view that people have to have a Ph.D. to be
    considered well-educated.  My guess is that most soccer moms, or small
    business persons, and other ordinary Americans (without a Ph.D.) could
    do better than most of the “well-educated” elitists already there.”

    I think you people are arguing about definitions. Yes, a BA soccer mom may be more intelligent, more capable, more charming than a PhD. But is she better educated? No, she is not, that is just the definition of the word “well-educated.” The PhD has studied longer and more intensely and has had to actually produce knowledge in an academic field. He or she is better-educated, whether the PhD is smarter or not in other life domains is completely irrelevant. And on another point, you say education doesn’t make people better than anyone else with less education. I agree with that but why the gratuitous dig at people who are in academics? And spare me the cliche attack of well educated as elitists. It generally takes ignorance, not education, to produce people who think they are better than others. Sounds like your “argument” is just the opposite, let me understand this, you are implying that  people with less education are actually smarter??  That is not a very smart arguument, but let me guess, your reasoning would be that the “soccer mom” ain’t confused by all that durn infermation and just uses her ole common cents to make her way in dis wurld. First of all, you make an odd rhetorical decision by insulting the demographic you are defending (“soccer moms” really?), and you then contrast “ordinary Americans” with academic PhDs so I can only assume that you mean PhDs are “extraordinary”? Did you not get into grad school or something?

  • lachende_schwertfisch

    Really, really?  Does one sit quietly and not respond to the rambling accusations of “elitism” and the vulgar and simplistic labeling of one’s research as garbage?  So if Professor X questions Politician Y’s credentials in making the aforesaid statements, Prof. X has committed a grievous error?  Also does Politician Y earn special status because he is labeled “politician.” Also, does Politician Y’s special status give him rights under ADA or Section 504 to make verbal attacks like ludicrous generalizations regarding testimony and research?   Does this make an “even playing field” for Politician Y to take on Professor X?  Just some questions popped into mind after viewing the video clip.

  • lachende_schwertfisch

    If Brinkley was a fool, it was because he didn’t hit harder and more often that the Congressman.

  • regmom

    Both men are educated, one more than the other.  What is most clear is that they were both absent when their respective teachers lectured about good manners.

  • connier

    Everyone is missing the real issue here, a Congressman should not serve for 38 years. He tried to tell him he was a public servant and didn’t own anyone. Give them 3 terms at most and no pension. Elect someone who is a real American and hasn’t grown up with the best of everything, someone who has rebounded from hardship. These guys make laws for them and the wealthy. It’s obvious and something must change. It sounded more like a disparaging monologue for the Congress than a discussion. Congress has lost it’s integrity.

  • Prof_truthteller

    This is disgusting behavior- from Rep. Young- much more so than from Mr. Brinkley. Of a four minutes and a few seconds clip, almost all the talking was done by Young, and he used the time to not only tell Mr. Brinkley to shut up, but also to passionately state his support for drilling in the ANWR. Mr. Brinkley’s negative comments not only were much much shorter they were also talked over by Rep. Young’s shouting him down. The only way we know exactly what he said was that it was video’ed and transcribed. Considering also the body language, and the number of times that Mr. Brinkley responded with contrition, while Rep. Young only acknowledged that he was “pissed off” as if that were an excuse, the rudeness scale weighs heavier on Rep. Young’s side. 

    Official hearings, where testimony is requested, can be intimidating. All proceedings are recorded. The lawmakers sit in a high judge’s bench-type arrangement that encircles the witness tables, which are lower. Witnesses also have a large crowd of shuffling, sniffing, notetaking, shifting, etc., people behind their backs. The physical setting establishes who has the power and who is vulnerable. Anyone in such a situation as Mr. Brinkley will want to try to hold their own and protect themselves from any real or imagined attack. He mentioned “for the record” twice. Maybe Rep. Young is so confident in himself and his role that he feels no need to defend yet completely free to attack, but it was clear to me that Mr. Brinkley was defending himself and his research. 

    As for the dueling insults: community college vs. elitist ivory tower. Puh-leeze, give me a break. On balance, they’re each equally rude, so it’s an impasse.

  • Prof_truthteller

    Well some people are better than others because of their education. That’s what education does, it makes you a better person. However, that does not forgive a superior or holier-than-thou attitude, because there is nothing, and no one, that will forgive that. 

    I had to listen to it twice to actually catch Brinkley’s comment about community college, because Young was shouting him down. Try put the shoe on the other foot. If you were a witness to the committee, and were asked about your special field of expertise, and then had your work called garbage by someone much less qualified in that field of expertise than you, wouldn’t you also seek to defend your work that represents your knowledge and expertise?

  • desh2

    A highly subjective article. 
    1) Academic salaries in India are exactly the same as those for senior bureaucrats, military personnel and others in the government sector. The salaries of a professor, a secretary (top bureaucrat in a ministry), a general are similar. In other words, teachers get salaries appropriate for jobs in the public sector.
    2) Private sector salaries too are similar unless you are thinking of CEOs of highly successful companies. All over the world, the teaching profession cannot compare with salaries paid to bankes or finance persons.
    3) Indians work abroad for a better quality of life (quality of life and infrastructure are poor in India) and to reap the advantages of currency rates – every business does that. The best salaries and facilities are offered in the Gulf, which is full of not only Indians but also those from the more prosperous English using Western countries: Canada, Australia, US, UK. They prefer the Gulf compared to ” North America, Britain, Australia” because the Gulf offers a safer social environment.

  • nimm2235

    I agree with the commenter below that salaries for univ profs in India are on par with other public sector jobs; I am a Prof in the humanities in the US and our salaries are very middle income for the life style here; if I were to go to India I will still live a equivalent middle class life in India. So there is not that much of difference. I agree that there is sometimes unnecessary bureaucracy and hierarchy within institutions, but anybody who believes that doesn’t exist in the US has not worked in the Univ system here (I cannot say with authority about UK and Canada but hearsay suggests it is not much different). The processes here are smoother but politicking both  competitive and combative are very present.
    However, with regards to money, the situation would be probably different for an Engineering or other applied science professors since individual univ here have the autonomy to pay higher salaries to their faculty; in India the salary structure is fixed by the University Grants Commission and universities have little wiggle room. So, Engg Profs would find it hard to reconcile to the lower salary in Public Universities in India.

  • pulsation5

    I find it surprising that in this age of globalization you think that I can’t (or rather don’t) do “community work” in India. In fact, the very favourable currency exchange rate allows me to support more work in India than I could have had I been working in India.

    And no, no university in India tops the one I am employed at. In fact I would wager that there are very few universities in the world which tops it. And given that I have only one life to live (how un-Indian of me to say that!), I’d rather be where I can maximize my potential.

  • ramanujam

    Except for the sensational headline (‘In search of India’s “missing” professors), the article is a fairly accurate picture of the abysmal situation in India. Jairam Ramesh’s observation about the so-called excellence of the IITs and the IIMs was not a tongue-in-cheek remark; it was a perceptive observation which the minister had the courage to articulate, even though political compulsions made him retract it later. Several decades ago, one of the Indian Vice-Chancellors, V V John, who never minced words, put it even more bluntly: ‘There is nothing high about our higher education.’ ‘It cannot be brought lower,’ he might say if he had lived to see the abysmal depths to which higher education has sunk in India over the past quarter century.

    I think it is not just better salaries and better living conditions that have forced talented people to emigrate to countries like the USA, Singapore and the Gulf. Indian higher education doesn’t just have the environment in which self-respecting people can breathe easily. I don’t think pulsation5 exaggerates things when he says, ‘I would not go back to teach in India even if they doubled my pay.’ And he gives two reasons for not going back to India: political interference and a hierarchical atmosphere in which the head of the department or the Principal acts like a feudal lord. The upshot of all this is that our academia consists predominantly of lowbrows. At the lower rungs of the higher education ladder, where you find State-funded universities and colleges, the situation is much worse. As a teacher in one of those colleges who rejected an opportunity to work in a foreign university early on in my three-decade-long career and stayed behind, I have often been a victim of thuggish brutality for standing up for intellectual freedom.

    Research, which the article talks about in passing, is one of the sordid aspects of Indian higher education. Some years ago, I spent a few days with a professor from Canada who was an authority on second language acquisition and who was a research examiner for some of the prestigious Indian universities. When I asked her about her perception of the state of research in India, she told me with no hesitation that, without a single exception, the PhD dissertations she had received for assessment from India were third rate. And she took pains to justify her remark. She was blunt. And what she said hurt my national pride. But the fact remains that we, Indians, are a nation of third-rate researchers. Much of what goes on in the name of research in our universities cannot stand up to close scrutiny. The recently-reported case of plagiarism in Indian academia is just a tip of the iceberg. I have refused to evaluate several MPhil and PhD dissertations and asked the universities which had sent them to spare me the agony in future.

    I shall conclude with an amusing anecdote which can demonstrate how appallingly lowbrow Indian academia is. Once I attended a scholarly lecture on research methodology which, I thought, was brilliant. The audience consisted of university or college professors most of whom were engaged in either MPhil or PhD research. Behind was a row of professors who launched into an hour-long natter minutes after the lecture began. In front of me were several rows of young lecturers, some chatting, some snoozing, and some with a bored expression of their faces. My own row was kept awake by the loud snores that came from a senior lecturer seated beside me!

      

  • https://sites.google.com/site/professionalsocietyofacademics/home Shawn Warren

    I find the lack of valued place on academics – be it in India or North America – puzzling and certainly backward.  If you have respect for a physician, or an engineer, or attorney, then reflect on the fact that each of these professions is educated and trained by academics.  Higher education is a crucial clause of the social contract between professions and society.  It is the foundation upon which (among other things) professional autonomy and the trust professions hold for society are predicated.

    Further, two products of higher education – knowledge (information) and technology – are a direct consequence of the education and research expertise of academics (and, where
    appropriate, student effort).  These products are the currency of future economies, period.

    I think we can agree India finds itself in a desirable but tough spot regarding higher education.  On the one hand the nation is poised with a large, talented demographic desperate for advanced learning, in a global economy driven by the products of higher education – technology and information (knowledge).  On the other it does not have the public funds necessary to finance required tertiary expansion, including the construction of over 1000+ institutions to meet national and individual demand.

    Here is a thought connected to the discrepancy in value placed upon professions and
    academics.  To obviate this financial obstacle to Indian progress, don’t build the institutions of higher education.  Don’t hire and salary the academics to instruct and do research.  Don’t use public money to substantially finance (or “invest in”) the tertiary system.  Instead start a new profession – academics.  Use the professional paradigm as the platform for the delivery of higher education and research, not the dominant, hybrid university-government-union paradigm.

    At this juncture Indians have a grand opportunity – precisely because they have little choice.  They should discontinue employment of the hybrid university-government-union juggernaut as the paradigm for finance and delivery of higher education.

    Given the iconic status of universities, this might seem absurd.  It is not.

    The formal professions are a viable, proven alternative platform for the finance and delivery of valued social goods.  Among other advantages, this experiment in higher education would provide adequate competition and help to inspire better quality of and access to higher education.

    Valued commodities such as healthcare, legal, engineering, and accountancy services are successfully provided society under the professional paradigm.  There is good reason to believe the same can (and should) be done for higher education.

    Again, this is a foreign notion to most in post secondary education. In fact, in many circles the hybrid university system is considered identical to the very disciplinary content, pedagogy and research of advanced learning.  It is not.

    Properly understood, a university is a legal entity – unusually, a non-profit corporation, similar to those found in professions – whose mandate is the partial facilitation of the higher education service relationship.  It is not identical to this relationship or the goods and services exchanged.

    Historically and presently, there are distinct paradigms for the dissemination and generation of
    tertiary goods.  There is nothing necessary about universities.  They could be dissolved and the human enterprise of advanced learning would remain.

    Placed in proper relief, we can more comfortably entertain this competing professional model.

    The professional paradigm is more economical.  Higher education can be provided at the cost of tuition alone – no government funding. 

    One of the more costly features of the hybrid is administration. In the US and Canada university administration (duplicated across each institution) costs taxpayers billions annually – not to mention the expense of government bureaucracy.

    With oversight from a professional society and cognate legal apparatus, the existing professions secure their own administrative staff and facilities on a scale appropriate to the provision of their expert services – some literally operate as a “family business.”  This makes the system more cost effective and allows for price competitiveness – a key component in the goal to increased quality, access and availability.

    This social experiment involves a conversion in vocational status – from union-represented,
    university-government employee to professional – with a consequent shift in financial model from (largely) state to personal.

    Operating on tuition revenue alone, academics stand to earn larger than average incomes under the professional paradigm.  This increase in salary is sufficient to manage a professional academic practice in the overwhelming majority of programs characteristic of higher education

    In 2009/10 the average American faculty salary was $74,593 (gross, US). (Source: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, Integrated Postsecondary
    Education Data System, Salary Survey, 1972–73 and 2009–10)  Under a professional paradigm – again, based on tuition revenue alone – the same faculty would earn $250,000 (gross, US). (Source: See attached link.)

    One-quarter of a million dollars is more than sufficient to operate a professional higher education practice in areas such as the Humanities, Business, and “soft” and “formal” Sciences – certainly in my field, philosophy. Attorneys routinely run legal practices on this sort of gross income – for a number of years I was married to one.

    Similar numbers are present in the Indian circumstance – and realistically, given that
    circumstance, what options are available?

    A more thorough treatment of this proposal is available at: https://sites.google.com/site/professionalsocietyofacademics/home

    Shawn Warren, PhD

  • bude4465

    Science writers, like Lehrer and Gladwell, do what many scientists cannot, and that is (a) to communicate the science to the masses in a clear and compelling fashion, and (b) to excite the general population about the value of science and what it contributes to society.  They may make mistakes, and Chabris, Pinker, and other scientists should continue to point out those mistakes when they are made.  But these high quality science writers contribute a great deal, flaws and all.  The fact that they make some mistakes does not negate their contributions, any more than a flawed scientific study negates the entire work of a scientist.

  • no66am


     Lehrer’s defense is that he is fully aware that, as he puts it, “our current science is very much a first draft,” but that you can’t weigh down every example with a page full of caveats and expect a normal person to read it on an airplane” …..  I think this is a weak argument:  the late Stephen Jay Gould used caveats wherever they were necessary to indicate that a hypothesis or set of arguments were provisional or open to question;  he was read with great intensity on airplanes and pretty much everywhere else.  He would have had plenty to say about those blue walls:  that’s a claim that  truly demands to be weighed down with caveats.

  • 5768

    “Replication” has subtle meaning variations, and few there be who distinguish what they mean. The word may be used to refer to the generalizability of a research claim or finding from a previous study to a new study in a different population. The word may also be used to refer to whether a claim from a study is able to be reproduced in the same population; this latter meaning is a matter not of generalizability but of duplication of the claim. What may be replicated in the sense of duplicated may in fact not extend beyond its own population to other populations. What is replicated in the sense of being generalizable may be nothing but a broad theory which itself is serviceable precisely owing to its being generalizable as provisional as it happens to be (cf. the atomic “theory” in its ability to make broad and accurate predictions regarding the combination/decombination of matter based on mass ratios). 

    I leave aside, however, Hume’s “problem of induction”–that the sun has always risen may be taken as a claim it shall do so tomorrow but not as a reliable prediction it must do so.

    Replication is replication in practice.  “Theoretically replicate” and “cannot negate importance of new findings”–since when?

  • techchic

    I smell jealousy!

  • schultzjc

    This is indeed a long-standing issue for communicating science to the public: how much detail is necessary to be “correct”? And does it matter if details are incorrect?  To the first I answer “not much”.  The level of detail a scientist demands for assurances is way more than necessary to get most points. You don’t need to know calculus to understand that things can’t go faster than light. 

    To the second I answer, it does matter, but not for understanding’s sake. Most people don’t understand variation, uncertainty, or even replication, but they do understand “being wrong”. Authors like Lehrer risk general disbelief – of everything – by being called out. If he’s wrong about blue walls, what else in the book, or even the science, is false?  (As a scientist as well as normal person, I think the ‘blue wall’ conclusion is excessive generalization.) Scientists and science are likely to be painted with the same blue brush in many people’s minds. 

    Of course, if no one notices until someone like Chabris point out such errors, maybe it won’t matter much.  Perhaps we should just prohibit scientists from reading and reviewing each other’s popular works.

  • 11119482

    “knows more about science than a lot of scientists.”   Depends on how we define scientists.  If we define them by those who seek to ask questions and challenge hypotheses and conclusions through experimentation, maybe this is a problem.  But if we include those who have degrees and positions suppposedly as “scientists.” he might well know more science than many who call themselves scientists.  Too many ‘scientists’ are technicians primarily and not natural philosophers.  In other words, very narrow in understanding and viewpoint.  So depends on what meant by “scientists.”

  • nontraditional001

    accuracy and completeness keep science out of reach of the layperson, we need writers who can distill the information into broadly digestible fare.  I can see a critic making sure facts are straight, but asking a writer to include every possible permutation should be saved for a dissertation.

  • davi2665

    Communicating science requires the utmost of accuracy, not sloppy and muddled interpretation that cannot stand up to the scrutiny of other scientists.  Unfortunately, a lot of authors are cashing in by trying to popularize science but take liberties in their interpretation, well beyond what the original author of the work would do.  To my thinking, this is not serious science, it is biopolitics.

  • pflady

    But wrong is wrong!  I frequently have to correct students in my classes who think they know everything about a topic because it is in the lay media.   I have to point out that it is not as simple as generally portrayed, only to have a student harrumph and quote a book in popular culture.

  • chedie

    This was not a dissertation. That does not excuse the author completely, but this arrogant witch hunt by a jealous critic is unwarranted and unhelpful. We need people relating complex science to the layperson, and Lehrer does this quite well. Report his major errors, allow a response, and let it go.

  • 3rdtyrant

     Precisely–and that’s why, rhetorically speaking, one ought to believe a credible researcher.  The kind of scientific qualification that we’re talking about looks like insecurity to some, but in reality is really a demonstration of a researcher’s security, inasmuch as he or she is willing to admit limitations, identify potential problems, etc.  As an English teacher, I would call this definitely a rough draft, one that has all of the potential holes or weak spots in full view, acknowledged and dealt with as much as possible.  This invites the kind of scrutiny that those weak spots or holes need, and allows the ongoing jenga puzzle of knowledge to continue to climb.  Glossing over these allows non-researchers to think the problem has been solved and that it deserves no more scrutiny than the fanciful considerations of some writers who pass them by with hardly a nod.  Bully for Chabris, and if Lehrer can’t take the heat, he needs to get off the bunsen burner.

  • 3rdtyrant

     Well said!  I’ve known many technicians and not enough natural philosophers.  Great point!

  • 3rdtyrant

     I don’t know about this.  I think is might be a good thing to expect more out of readers.  Certainly I enjoy a stylized piece of scientific writing, but everyone needs to eat their scientific vegetables, and detailed, accurate, precise science might be just that.

  • 3rdtyrant

     Right.  On Star Trek the writers will throw in the occasional scientific term to explain some phenomenon, and I don’t see how imprecise scientific writing, as engaging as it might be, is any better than an episode where Captain Kirk fights an energy being named Melvar.

  • 3rdtyrant

     Exactly the point, I think.  Our students do not benefit from this kind of thing.  I had this debate about Seamus Heaney’s translation of Beowulf, which is vastly inferior to many other translations.  However, it popularized Beowulf immensely.  My colleague was convinced that this was the highest good for Beowulf.  My argument was that the quality of the translation mattered more than its popularity.  Similarly, scientific writing that reaches a popular audience might get the word out about something, but if that word is incomplete or inaccurate, we create more problems than we solve.

  • 3rdtyrant

     Agreed.  Lehrer should be jealous of Chabris.

  • 3rdtyrant

     Might it be more valuable, rather than dumbing down science for lay people, for lay people to smarten themselves up to understand science and scientific writing?  Understanding is as much a measure of the audience as it is the writer, and I don’t see a down side to a lay audience understanding complex and qualified arguments, even if badly written.  The up side is that they recognize bad writing and good facts and then move forward improved, informed, and ready to engage the next idea, rather than have the next idea fed to them in a twinkie.

  • pflady

    Can’t you have good writing and correct information?

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  • chedie

    “Might it be more valuable, rather than dumbing down science for lay people, for lay people to smarten themselves up to understand science and scientific writing?” Seriously? That is your response? Smarten themselves up? Arrogant much? 

  • gahnett

    There is great value and potential harm to imparting general ideas. So, there is risk to being an explainer because of attitudes such as Hardy’s:

    “The English mathematician Hardy put it perhaps a bit too strongly: “There is no scorn more profound, or on the whole more justifiable, than that of the men who make for the men who explain.  Exposition, criticism, appreciation, is work for second-rate minds”. 

    Still, if we could not reach the general audience, how will we decide on whether to fund research on controversial areas such as AIDS (no longer controversial) or Climate Change (still controversial)?

  • nontraditional001

    I’d save the gritty details for the footnotes for the more intrepid readers

  • emwhitephd

    I am grateful to Lehrer’s article in the New Yorker, 12-13-2010, for introducing me to the work of John P.A. Ioannidis (“Why Most Published Research Findings Are False”). Such introductions to important scientific thought are an immense service to those of us outside science but interested in it. If we choose, we can go directly to the scientist’s work, as I did, for the details, but without the New Yorker article I would not have known about it.

  • http://tangled-in-wires.blogspot.com Steve Shoe

    Readers are adults and can’t be force fed their “scientific vegetables” like children in a high chair. What we should expect from readers is that they’re not stupid enough to think one book can cover the entirety of a topic down to minutiae. If they’re interested in learning more, they’ll seek it out on their own.

    Cramming too much specialized or specific information into prose will easily dissuade all but the most interested readers from picking up the book again once they get bogged down in the over-detailed weeds — which defeats the purpose of writing a book for general consumption. 

    I think the presumption of what the reader OUGHT to know for their own good and an understanding of how to communicate what a reader NEEDS to know for the topic is what separates an academic writer from a writer for the masses.

  • http://tangled-in-wires.blogspot.com Steve Shoe

     No, it’s not arrogance. He just knows better than everyone else. Clearly.

  • Dr_Zachary_Smith

    Okay, how about if they enlighten themselves?

    Seriously, we have a society in which far too many people believe that if they don’t understand something, then it’s the fault of either the explainer or the concept, rather than their own ability (which they can improve) to understand.

    This means, for example, that we have a society in which many people believe in angels as a matter of fact, while disbelieving in evolution and climate change because, as Barbie once said, “Math is hard.”

    If we are not to have philosopher-kings then, to paraphrase Luther, every man must be his own philosopher–his (or her) own lover of wisdom. Which begins with a due knowledge and appreciation of fact and system.

  • midevilprof

    Good writing, I’ve always believed, presumes that the readership is intelligent but uninformed. Part of many specialists’ problems, it seems to me, is not knowing the difference between the two. I like to think that I’m intelligent enough to read something about a scientific topic, but if it’s written only for other specialists, I won’t be able to follow it because I’m uninformed. I don’t know the background, the terminology, the math behind it. So don’t dumb anything down for me, just put it in nonspecialist terms. I can “smarten up” myself along the way.

    And how stupid or uneducated do we think the people are who read science books? I would think the very fact of reading such a book would classify someone at some point on the nerd spectrum. So let’s be honest and true to Science by not dumbing down the books. Instead, let’s present honest science in a form suitable to non-specialists.

  • seattlenerd

    I had long been aware of Beowulf, but I never read it until Heaney’s translation appeared; so in that sense I’d have to side with your colleague.  

    Accuracy and detail is a fine thing in science writing.  However, much of science is about judgment about what to leave out, rather than chasing down every last detail.  How many of us have labored to get an article down to 10 or fewer pages?  How many of us have used Taylor or other expansions in our work?  How many of us routinely assume that double precision is infinite precision?  It is not wrong to use a flat earth model when it is appropriate to do so.

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    Of course, a debate about whether “quality” is more or less important than “popularity” is as pointless as debating whether a “fork” is better or worse than a “spoon.”  Presented with a plate of potatoes and a bowl of soup, we see that each has its place. 

  • vlghess

     Some of this discussion reminds me of Sheila Tobias’ “They’re Not Dumb, They’re Different” about retaining students in the natural sciences who leave for the social sciences or humanities more for “academic cultural” reasons than intellectual. Scientific writing, more than specialized writing in other disciplines, is often inaccessible to lay audiences because of unfamiliar technicalities that only fellow specialists can appreciate. It is possible to be accurate rather than sloppy–but there will always be a cultural gap between journalists (even those who write well about science) and scientists about the need to keep the reader’s interest vs. the need to avoid going beyond the facts…

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  • MarjoryMunson

    Of course you can – but it doesn’t happen nearly as often as it should.

  • prof_cj

    Instead, it’s a blurb from Gladwell that says Lehrer “knows more about science than a lot of scientists.”

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    This makes my brain hurt and that Gladwell seriously holds this up as a belief causes me to lose a lot of respect for Gladwell.